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Boma Airaken
Yurai-Tenshin Zaibatsu Celestial Imperative
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Posted - 2008.08.06 09:57:00 -
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I am sure I do not need to go into detail here. 0.4 is lowsec. Make it so. There is absolutely no reason why charters, standings, and anchoring activity should be any different than 0.3.
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Treelox
Market Jihadist Revolutionary Party
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Posted - 2008.08.06 10:27:00 -
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dont forget you cant get moon poo in a .4
I support this.
I do remeber someone once telling me that the RP explanation was that .4s were a sort of no mans land between high sec and low sec, so all the problems of both and non of the advantages. Not sure if that was the vision that CCP had, but I find 0.4s differences from a .3 silly. --
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Belmarduk
de Prieure Four Elements
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Posted - 2008.08.06 10:41:00 -
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/signed CCP Please give us casual players a Skill-Queue !
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Pwett
QUANT Corp. QUANT Hegemony
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Posted - 2008.08.06 15:26:00 -
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signed _______________ Pwett CEO, Founder, & Executor <Q> QUANT Hegemony
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Tchell Dahhn
Suddenly Ninjas
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Posted - 2008.08.06 15:29:00 -
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Edited by: Tchell Dahhn on 06/08/2008 15:29:12
Supporting in a thread where the words "moon poo" are used.
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Korin Veecolectus
Caldari Yurai-Tenshin Zaibatsu Celestial Imperative
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Posted - 2008.08.07 03:25:00 -
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/signed
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Rika I
Tomoe Laboratories Celestial Imperative
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Posted - 2008.08.07 03:26:00 -
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Originally by: Boma Airaken I am sure I do not need to go into detail here. 0.4 is lowsec. Make it so. There is absolutely no reason why charters, standings, moon mining, reactions, assigning fighters, and anchoring activity should be any different than 0.3.
Fixed
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Boma Airaken
Yurai-Tenshin Zaibatsu Celestial Imperative
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Posted - 2008.08.07 04:09:00 -
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Yeah I forgot moon poo and reacting and fighters. To be honest I have this wall of tl;dr that I created in notepad cause I am all high tech and shit, but then I got strunk and said **** it because frankly I doubt this will get anyones attention.
The fact of the matter though is you can fart out all the RP reasons in the universe for 0.4 being different, but frankly, its still utterly ******ed.
GO LOWSEC!
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Eternal Error
Exitus Acta Probant
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Posted - 2008.08.07 05:35:00 -
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/signed
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Myrhial Arkenath
Ghost Festival
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Posted - 2008.08.07 07:06:00 -
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Has my support
Diary of a pod pilot |
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Mecinia Lua
Galactic Express Burning Horizons
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Posted - 2008.08.07 10:15:00 -
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I support this.
Thoughts expressed are mine and mine alone. They do not necessarily reflect my alliances thoughts. |
Elhina Novae
Destruction Reborn CORPVS DELICTI
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Posted - 2008.08.07 11:35:00 -
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I can setup up a POS in 0.4 but...
I can't moon mine, I can get attacked by Dreadnaughts, I need standings and charts...
0.5 is better Or I will simply skip standings and go to a 0.1 - 0.3 system, atm 0.4 really has no benefit whatsoever to it.
Fully support ------------ Somebody set up us the bomb |
Aiko Intaki
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Posted - 2008.08.07 20:15:00 -
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Agreed. It seems a silly limitation without explanation.
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Grak Yarn
13th Udorian Rangers
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Posted - 2008.08.08 00:48:00 -
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Yes ______________________________________________ No expansion without equilibrium, no conquest without control. Pursue success in serenity, and service to the people. |
Coeleth
Yurai-Tenshin Zaibatsu
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Posted - 2008.08.08 22:43:00 -
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I support this - long have we called for more reason to go to low-sec.. making 0.4 systems something other than a worthless place to probably die whilst getting poor is a start!
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cianide pro
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Posted - 2008.08.09 07:02:00 -
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yeah and drop also some bs size npc rats in the belts
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Zendoren
Aktaeon Industries United Star Federation
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Posted - 2008.08.09 08:48:00 -
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/signed -++ |
Jihrad Vir
Confederacy of Dreams
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Posted - 2008.08.11 23:02:00 -
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.4 has no gain to it at all, except for pirates that camp the gates for noobs that don't know the difference in security status yet
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Felizardo
Imperial House Ordos
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Posted - 2008.08.11 23:20:00 -
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supported!
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SencneS
Rebellion Against big Irreversible Dinks
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Posted - 2008.08.11 23:32:00 -
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If CONCORD are not going to save it because some Battleships are attacking it then there is no reason to have Charters..
Even if it's not "moon poo" minable, it shouldn't need chaters.
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Inertial
The Python Cartel
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Posted - 2008.08.12 08:31:00 -
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Agreeing!
we are recruiting!
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Boma Airaken
The Divine Comedy Celestial Imperative
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Posted - 2008.11.01 03:50:00 -
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If you support this idea, it looks like your friendliest candidate is Garion Avarr.
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Bunyip
Center for Advanced Studies
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Posted - 2008.11.01 05:17:00 -
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I have often wondered this myself. Apparently, the high-security groups (faction navies, Concord, customs, etc) won't set foot there, yet we still have to 'pay' them (using charters) for nothing. Signed. -Bunyip
"May all your hits be crits." - Knights of the Dinner Table. |
Hesod Adee
Federal Defence Union
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Posted - 2008.11.01 07:23:00 -
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---------------------------------------------- I support skill queues. |
Dibsi Dei
Salamyhkaisten kilta
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Posted - 2008.11.01 09:29:00 -
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Pretty sure this has something to do with 0.4 usually being right next to hi-sec.
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Boma Airaken
The Divine Comedy Celestial Imperative
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Posted - 2008.11.01 09:56:00 -
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Originally by: Dibsi Dei Pretty sure this has something to do with 0.4 usually being right next to hi-sec.
And?
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Boma Airaken
The Divine Comedy Celestial Imperative
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Posted - 2008.11.01 10:09:00 -
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Edited by: Boma Airaken on 01/11/2008 10:09:49
Originally by: Bunyip I have often wondered this myself. Apparently, the high-security groups (faction navies, Concord, customs, etc) won't set foot there, yet we still have to 'pay' them (using charters) for nothing. Signed.
You do realize all NPC corps will forever be KOS in my vision for the future right?
But back on track, I really don't see any reason why 0.4 is any different than 0.3. **** proximity to highsec. All that does is make it a battlefield over resources if it is ever fixed. More pew pew = more fun.
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Akiba Penrose
Tribal Liberation Force
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Posted - 2008.11.01 10:44:00 -
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Slevra
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Posted - 2008.11.06 05:30:00 -
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Edited by: Slevra on 06/11/2008 05:30:14 signed
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Mynxee
Hellcats Doom Armada
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Posted - 2008.11.06 13:36:00 -
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Definitely supported.
Life in Low Sec | Hellcats
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Molock Saronen
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Posted - 2008.11.06 13:47:00 -
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Oh yes! |
Dafydd ab'Rhys
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Posted - 2008.11.07 01:48:00 -
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Signed
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Kazzac Elentria
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Posted - 2008.11.07 22:04:00 -
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Supported |
scubasteve91
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Posted - 2008.11.13 20:04:00 -
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signed
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Anig Browl
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Posted - 2008.11.13 22:45:00 -
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Originally by: Dibsi Dei Pretty sure this has something to do with 0.4 usually being right next to hi-sec.
So what? It's not like there's a 50% chance that Concord might show up. Once you're 0.4 you're on your own so why pay rent to someone that's not going to give you anything in return? It's already silly that 0.4 is riskier than 0.0 because all the uber-pirates are gatecamping.
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Shane Savage
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Posted - 2008.11.24 18:14:00 -
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signed
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Hatsumi Kobayashi
The Black Rabbits The Gurlstas Associates
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Posted - 2008.11.24 23:54:00 -
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Signed ++
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evilphoenix
Beyond Divinity Inc
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Posted - 2008.11.25 00:13:00 -
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If the "no man's land between highsec and lowsec" were true, then how come there are highsec to nullsec systems? I don't think that RP reason is valid.
I support this. --------
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Kathy Vera
Dark Collective
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Posted - 2008.12.03 08:00:00 -
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Supported
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Alekseyev Karrde
Noir.
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Posted - 2008.12.03 17:00:00 -
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yup ---
Zombie Apocalypse Guitar-Wielding Superteam |
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Axel Vindislaga
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Posted - 2008.12.13 09:28:00 -
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HEY My Home is lovely 0.4 system.. I like me swamp.
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Dasfry
Demio's Corporation 101010 Alliance
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Posted - 2008.12.13 11:30:00 -
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*********** Dasfry, Director Demio's Corporation
Military Tactics |
Nick Domani
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Posted - 2008.12.13 15:29:00 -
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In an IC sense, if the various Empire Navies never go there, how can they possibly keep you from anchoring/doing anything?
Supported.
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graves biatch
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Posted - 2008.12.13 19:01:00 -
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signed opening up moon mining in 0.4 would allow more alchemy and thus a stable market for t2 materials
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Maximum KILLDEATHRATIO
24th Imperial Crusade
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Posted - 2008.12.13 19:30:00 -
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___________________ Yes I'm bitter. (the taste you can see!)
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Synthia Sin
Amarr Lilith Inc.
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Posted - 2008.12.13 20:33:00 -
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*Abstain* I like the idea, but there are implications for other legitimate play styles ie: piracy. Perhaps if a proposal for compensating that play style with security hit adjustments and making 0.1 the pirate playground, (no sec hit, making it effectively 0.0 with empire sovereignty) then it would be a better and more complete proposal to put to the CSM/CCP.
If I can't dance to it, it's not my revolution.Emma Goldman |
Janu Hull
Terra Incognita Ethereal Dawn
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Posted - 2008.12.14 21:01:00 -
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Signed. In the event of an emergency, my ego may be used as a floatation device.
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Laiyna
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Posted - 2008.12.14 22:28:00 -
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DO NOT AGREE,
0.4 you can get attacked but no warp bubbles anchored, that means its a semi safe entrance into 0.0/low sec or you even get more gatecamps.
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Jimmy Ray
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Posted - 2008.12.15 03:05:00 -
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/signed No Guts, No Galaxy!
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geomatica
Infusion.
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Posted - 2008.12.15 06:28:00 -
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I don't pirate anymore, but I am all down for this. Lowsec as a whole needs some love. This is a great start.
Also, I rather liked the idea of making 0.1 sec space the pirate playground. But let's expand that. Allow bubbles/bombs/HICs to work in 0.1 sec, however leave the sentries. This way HICs will be viable, but will have to earn it. And bubble camps can intercept alliance/0.0 low-end logistics (because they all use carriers/JFs really).
Also slightly increase lowsec bounties across the board, RP reasoning: "Due to their close proximity to Empire Sovereign space, we are offering a bonus on pirate ships in the systems that are not viable for our Navy's fleets to patrol."
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Jason Edwards
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Posted - 2008.12.15 06:51:00 -
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Edited by: Jason Edwards on 15/12/2008 06:51:18 thing is... low sec isnt low sec. It's basically 0.0 with a few limitations.
Why 0.4 had charters cost is confusing... but having limitations on 0.4 like moonmining is alright i guess. There are a ton of 0.4 systems which are out of the way that nobody ever goes to.
0.3 generally means there's attention there from pirates and pirates can get there.
There are 0.4 systems which are all by themselves; pirates have to go through high sec to get there. Leaving them at quite a disadvantage. that's why u have the limits. ------------------------ To make a megathron from scratch, you must first invent the eve universe. ------------------------ Life sucks and then you get podded. |
Zel Nughat
Nughat Corp
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Posted - 2008.12.22 11:39:00 -
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Orion GUardian
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Posted - 2008.12.22 12:53:00 -
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I think differences should remain logical, lowsec is lowsec
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Tulisin Dragonflame
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Posted - 2008.12.22 16:31:00 -
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Originally by: Nick Domani In an IC sense, if the various Empire Navies never go there, how can they possibly keep you from anchoring/doing anything?
This.
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Boma Airaken
The Divine Comedy Celestial Imperative
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Posted - 2008.12.23 09:56:00 -
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Edited by: Boma Airaken on 23/12/2008 09:56:00 Nice to see this topic getting some love people. And some interesting ideas. But the basic foundation is that lowsec is lowsec and anything you can do outside of highsec, you should be able to do in ANY lowsec. Lets try to stick to the foundation and take it from there.
Thnaks to all of you for the support so far.
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Abrams Elisium
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Posted - 2008.12.27 07:39:00 -
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supported
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Vaden Khale
Amarr the united Negative Ten.
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Posted - 2008.12.27 08:47:00 -
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/signed
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Telore Dragonsun
Glaciers INC
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Posted - 2009.01.12 18:16:00 -
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Signed |
Camilo Cienfuegos
Earned In Blood
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Posted - 2009.01.12 18:52:00 -
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This gets my vote. |
Eraseri
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Posted - 2009.02.08 18:10:00 -
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Signed.
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Resivan
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Posted - 2009.02.09 00:16:00 -
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While I'd argue that low sec isn't low sec--it's "less sec than much of 0.0"--treating 0.4 differently that 0.3 has never made any sense to me.
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Thaylon Sen
Boyz from the Dwarf
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Posted - 2009.02.09 02:31:00 -
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Yea and why cant fighters be deligated in a 0.4? (or has that changed now?)
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Imperator Jora'h
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Posted - 2009.02.09 15:59:00 -
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I *think* the reason it works this way is that the game is programmed to only allow low sec only activities in a 0.4 and below. Thing is the true-sec of a system is always something above 0.4 (like 0.413 or something). As such the game sees that as above the 0.4 cut off and you need charters and so on.
At least that is what I was told once upon a time. Could be totally wrong and in the end doesn't matter because I agree with the OP it is stupid.
Supported!
-------------------------------------------------- "Of course," said my grandfather, pulling a gun from his belt as he stepped from the Time Machine, "there's no paradox if I shoot you!"
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WhiteGhostBear
Furs of New Eden
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Posted - 2009.02.09 18:54:00 -
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Edited by: WhiteGhostBear on 09/02/2009 18:56:33 Supported. Moon mining, refining arrays, etc. should all be allowable in .4 space.
Quote: I *think* the reason it works this way is that the game is programmed to only allow low sec only activities in a 0.4 and below. Thing is the true-sec of a system is always something above 0.4 (like 0.413 or something). As such the game sees that as above the 0.4 cut off and you need charters and so on.
I thought this was the case as well, until I tried to anchor moon mining arrays in a .37 sec system.
See, I thought that the 'security restriction .4' information on the info box meant, 'anchorable in .4 and below', not 'cannot anchor in .4 and above'. Silly me. I should have known better.
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Boma Airaken
The Divine Comedy Celestial Imperative
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Posted - 2009.02.11 01:51:00 -
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YAY for more support. You guys are restoring my faith in the community. To get more specific what I am proposing is that the second you leave highsec you can:
* Moon mine * Anchor anything with the 0.3 requirement (i.e. no 0.0 only stuff) * Delegate fighters * Not be subject to a charter/standings requirement
As far as the comments about 0.1 pirate playgrounds and the like, that is an entirely different subject. Personally I would like to see sliding scale sec hits between 0.4 through 0.1, but seriously, totally different subject.
The point here is to eliminate the 0.4/0.3 distinction and I still haven't managed to find even one logical argument for said distinction.
So keep up with the support and lets get this bad larry escalated and on the damn table!
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Dragonwell
Ashen Rain
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Posted - 2009.02.11 09:58:00 -
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General signage. 0.4 is indeed lowsec. *** Awake in a Space-Dye Vest Struggling with Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence Falling Into Infinity toward a New Millennium While trapped inside this Octavarium. |
Norel Pref
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Posted - 2009.03.06 00:06:00 -
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I support this! |
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