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Siigari Kitawa
Gallente The Aduro Protocol
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Posted - 2008.08.06 11:59:00 -
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Edited by: Siigari Kitawa on 06/08/2008 12:02:59 CCP,
I want you to spend a few days suicide ganking. I want you to find your favorite spot, sit there and start ganking ships. Make lots of money, then tell us about your findings in ISK value.
I hope that you get rich quick! Because that is what suicide ganking is all about!
Sincerely, Siig
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I hope everyone realizes that suicide ganking is not as easy as going to Perimeter and sitting on the Jita gate in your stealth bomber with nothing but a sensor booster/scan res, cruise missile launchers loaded with 1 shot of faction ammo each, scanning a target, shooting it and instant win.
Let me show you how this would look to anyone:
1. Sit on gate. 2. Scan targets. 3. Find target on autopilot with buttloads of isk in his cargo 4. ???? 5. PROFIT
Let me share with you now how this really is.
1. Spend time finding cheap ship. 2. Spend time finding available gate. 3. Deal with vultures. 4. Scan EVERYTHING you can instapop. 5. Make a split-second decision: is shooting worth the risk of possibly destroying the items inside? 6. If yes, fire. 7. Rush to get the loot with your alt/friend before anyone else can get it. 8. PROFIT? 9. No! Run safely to a station and dock with your items! 10. Wait out 15 minute aggression with your ganker, then decide what to do next.
This is how it really works. It's not all fun and games. Suicide ganking is as a matter of fact incredibly time consuming and difficult. Days have gone by where I have sat on a gate and shot nothing, only to move to another gate and see a link to a killboard later with billions of isk in a noobship in the system I left.
EVE is hard. Suicide ganking is a profession. It is not "easy isk".
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Vek NaVek
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Posted - 2008.08.06 12:01:00 -
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Shut up. For crying out loud.
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Granmethedon III
We are Legend
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Posted - 2008.08.06 12:01:00 -
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Originally by: Siigari Kitawa
EVE is hard.
Sadly, it appears CCP don't want it to be hard anymore.
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Hungo
Minmatar Nightfallz
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Posted - 2008.08.06 12:03:00 -
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This is one of those *look at me* posts really
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Lufio II
Amarr Marangrio Space Services Inc. Order of the Black Cross
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Posted - 2008.08.06 12:04:00 -
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Originally by: Siigari Kitawa
... Let me share with you now how this really is.
1. Spend time finding cheap ship. 2. Spend time finding available gate. 3. Deal with vultures. 4. Scan targets. 5. Decide if target is worth the risk of possibly destroying the items inside. 6. Fire. 7. Rush to get the loot with your alt/friend before anyone else can get it. 8. PROFIT?
This is how it really works.
Honestly, when I see Armageddons on the market that sell barely above insurance payout and a loss of the ship is on its own a net loss of not even one million, then what you suggested is way too much trouble to go through if I'd want to suicide ganking...
It is, however, how it should be done and how it will have to be done in future after reading the dev blog you are most likely referring to ;)
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copasetic sideways
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Posted - 2008.08.06 12:07:00 -
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Originally by: Hungo This is one of those *look at me* posts really
yup. it's like the spastic bros brother trying a comeback tour on his own.
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Hungo
Minmatar Nightfallz
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Posted - 2008.08.06 12:07:00 -
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Originally by: copasetic sideways
Originally by: Hungo This is one of those *look at me* posts really
yup. it's like the spastic bros brother trying a comeback tour on his own.
Super mario style
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Tonkin
D00M. Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2008.08.06 12:20:00 -
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Originally by: Siigari Kitawa Edited by: Siigari Kitawa on 06/08/2008 12:02:59 CCP,
I want you to spend a few days suicide ganking. I want you to find your favorite spot, sit there and start ganking ships. Make lots of money, then tell us about your findings in ISK value.
I hope that you get rich quick! Because that is what suicide ganking is all about!
Sincerely, Siig
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I hope everyone realizes that suicide ganking is not as easy as going to Perimeter and sitting on the Jita gate in your stealth bomber with nothing but a sensor booster/scan res, cruise missile launchers loaded with 1 shot of faction ammo each, scanning a target, shooting it and instant win.
Let me show you how this would look to anyone:
1. Sit on gate. 2. Scan targets. 3. Find target on autopilot with buttloads of isk in his cargo 4. ???? 5. PROFIT
Let me share with you now how this really is.
1. Spend time finding cheap ship. 2. Spend time finding available gate. 3. Deal with vultures. 4. Scan EVERYTHING you can instapop. 5. Make a split-second decision: is shooting worth the risk of possibly destroying the items inside? 6. If yes, fire. 7. Rush to get the loot with your alt/friend before anyone else can get it. 8. PROFIT? 9. No! Run safely to a station and dock with your items! 10. Wait out 15 minute aggression with your ganker, then decide what to do next.
This is how it really works. It's not all fun and games. Suicide ganking is as a matter of fact incredibly time consuming and difficult. Days have gone by where I have sat on a gate and shot nothing, only to move to another gate and see a link to a killboard later with billions of isk in a noobship in the system I left.
EVE is hard. Suicide ganking is a profession. It is not "easy isk".
i agree with ya mate, ive never done high sec ganking but i think its a fair tactic
have noticed that the same people whine all the time about every aspect in the game that make it fun
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Wraiths
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Posted - 2008.08.06 12:22:00 -
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Originally by: Tonkin
Originally by: Siigari Kitawa Edited by: Siigari Kitawa on 06/08/2008 12:02:59 CCP,
I want you to spend a few days suicide ganking. I want you to find your favorite spot, sit there and start ganking ships. Make lots of money, then tell us about your findings in ISK value.
I hope that you get rich quick! Because that is what suicide ganking is all about!
Sincerely, Siig
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I hope everyone realizes that suicide ganking is not as easy as going to Perimeter and sitting on the Jita gate in your stealth bomber with nothing but a sensor booster/scan res, cruise missile launchers loaded with 1 shot of faction ammo each, scanning a target, shooting it and instant win.
Let me show you how this would look to anyone:
1. Sit on gate. 2. Scan targets. 3. Find target on autopilot with buttloads of isk in his cargo 4. ???? 5. PROFIT
Let me share with you now how this really is.
1. Spend time finding cheap ship. 2. Spend time finding available gate. 3. Deal with vultures. 4. Scan EVERYTHING you can instapop. 5. Make a split-second decision: is shooting worth the risk of possibly destroying the items inside? 6. If yes, fire. 7. Rush to get the loot with your alt/friend before anyone else can get it. 8. PROFIT? 9. No! Run safely to a station and dock with your items! 10. Wait out 15 minute aggression with your ganker, then decide what to do next.
This is how it really works. It's not all fun and games. Suicide ganking is as a matter of fact incredibly time consuming and difficult. Days have gone by where I have sat on a gate and shot nothing, only to move to another gate and see a link to a killboard later with billions of isk in a noobship in the system I left.
EVE is hard. Suicide ganking is a profession. It is not "easy isk".
i agree with ya mate, ive never done high sec ganking but i think its a fair tactic
have noticed that the same people whine all the time about every aspect in the game that make it fun
lol a Man-U fan - mwahaha
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Rhanna Khurin
Minmatar Tribal Liberation Force
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Posted - 2008.08.06 12:24:00 -
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This thread is even stupider than the one i made! *Gasps in shock*
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copasetic sideways
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Posted - 2008.08.06 12:29:00 -
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wait, wait, i think siigari 'craig logan' kitawa is gonna go for it.... here it comes... heeeerrrree iiitttt cccccoooommmmeeeessss....
"when will i will i be e-famous?"
now that's some quality spazzing!
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Vek NaVek
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Posted - 2008.08.06 12:35:00 -
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Originally by: copasetic sideways wait, wait, i think siigari 'craig logan' kitawa is gonna go for it.... here it comes... heeeerrrree iiitttt cccccoooommmmeeeessss....
"when will i will i be e-famous?"
now that's some quality spazzing!
ROFL Spot on.
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Hazzard
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Posted - 2008.08.06 12:37:00 -
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lol your actually complaining about this?
I've done it before and yes it is easy money.
All you need is
a. A brain bigger than a peanut. b. An hour or more of time to kill.
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voorsk
Tribal Liberation Force
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Posted - 2008.08.06 12:38:00 -
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You laughed in the face of CONCORD too many times, and made them a laughing stock. They've realised they need to change tactics, and they're about to do so. Any self-respecting police force would do the same.
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Rhanna Khurin
Minmatar Tribal Liberation Force
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Posted - 2008.08.06 12:43:00 -
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Tbh, i'm surprised CONCORDE don't wait with stun sticks in their hands when you next dock in your pods at a station and club you senseless then throw you in a cell for a few years.
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Babel
Utopian Research I.E.L. The ENTITY.
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Posted - 2008.08.06 12:46:00 -
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Originally by: Hungo This is one of those *look at me* posts really
yep - and so was the OP :) -------
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Furb Killer
Gallente The first genesis Veritas Immortalis
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Posted - 2008.08.06 12:48:00 -
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Quote: 1. Spend time finding cheap ship. 2. Spend time finding available gate. 3. Deal with vultures. 4. Scan EVERYTHING you can instapop. 5. Make a split-second decision: is shooting worth the risk of possibly destroying the items inside? 6. If yes, fire. 7. Rush to get the loot with your alt/friend before anyone else can get it. 8. PROFIT? 9. No! Run safely to a station and dock with your items! 10. Wait out 15 minute aggression with your ganker, then decide what to do next.
1. Uhm, serious, you are joking right? 2. Wow once in your entire suicide ganking career you need to check the star map to find nice system... 3. You mean, no risk free profit? 4. Or not, scanning half of the ships just means you have to wait twice as long before you got nice target 5. Shoot if item_value/2>gankship_cost+minimum_profit. Both the minimum profit you want to make and the cost of your gankship are predefined constants. Not that hard. 6. Sounds difficult 7. See point 3 8. yep 9. Yeah otherwise the hauler you just ganked might immediatly warp to station with his pod, dock, wait 30 seconds, switch to combat ship, start undocking, warp to your ship, target ship and then destroy it before you can get out of there... 10. Awww
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Neesa Corrinne
Einherjar Rising
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Posted - 2008.08.06 12:56:00 -
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Despite what 75% of the community whom have never left empire think, EVE is not meant to be played AFK.
If you don't actually have the time to devote to moving several billion ISK worth of product around the galaxy then:
1) Don't move it until you do have the time to do so manually.
2) Take the risk that your stuff will be lost.
I'm fairly sure that the reason CCP will never completely remove suicide ganking is because they actually want people to play the game they spent so long developing.
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Riho
Gallente Mercenary Forces
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Posted - 2008.08.06 13:04:00 -
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Originally by: Granmethedon III
Sadly, it appears CCP don't want it to be hard anymore.
sadly i have to agree whit this :( ---------------------------------- Fighting for Minmatar o7 Yes... this is my main. Extreme Troll Slayer...
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Sturmwolke
School of Applied Knowledge
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Posted - 2008.08.06 13:17:00 -
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Originally by: Siigari Kitawa
EVE is hard. Suicide ganking is a profession. It is not "easy isk".
Maybe you need to get a few good pointers from the gangs do business in the Kaaputenen-Madirmilire corridor? Not sure if they charge for the information though, but I'm sure it'll be worth it.
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Siigari Kitawa
Gallente The Aduro Protocol
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Posted - 2008.08.06 13:22:00 -
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Yeah. I did it for a while (like, a couple weeks). I got a few really nice ganks, and saw a few nice ganks fly past (I fondly remember a Punisher with 35 +5 implants in his cargo that got past me).
Thing is, I chose to stop because it was really time consuming, and I like activities. It's just a LOT of time clicking targets and seeing "tritanium" or "crappy tech 1 modules etc" when sometimes all I get is one or two hours to log in and play.
So yeah. Bleh.
Also wtf @ me wanting to be popular? I am just wanting to voice my personal opinion, as everyone who makes a post/reply does in these forums.
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copasetic sideways
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Posted - 2008.08.06 13:24:00 -
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Originally by: Siigari Kitawa Also wtf @ me wanting to be popular?
"when will i will i be e-famous?"
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Lorna Loot
Caldari Nox Eternus
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Posted - 2008.08.06 13:27:00 -
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See sig ----------
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Tchell Dahhn
Suddenly Ninjas
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Posted - 2008.08.06 14:27:00 -
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Edited by: Tchell Dahhn on 06/08/2008 14:30:26
I must honestly disagree with you here, Siigari. A friend of mine in another Corp asked me to provide 'pickup services' the other night, and it's really not as hard as one might think.
Originally by: Siigari Kitawa 1. Spend time finding cheap ship.
Yes, you do this... ...once. You build an inexpensive ship (hey, the Drake is currently paying out MORE on Insurance - 110M+ - than it costs to BUY - ~85M - the ship) and then you build another inexpensive ship for the next gank.
Originally by: Siigari Kitawa 2. Spend time finding available gate.
A system with a single gate in and a single gate out is ideal. Do your homework, and you'll find it.
Originally by: Siigari Kitawa 3. Deal with vultures.
Easy. Have a buddy (that would be me) in a cloaked Hauler make a safespot 200K from the gate, and talk in chat, EvE Voice, or what have you. Have the ganker relay the scans, and his plans, so that when he engages the target, you decloak and are already warping to him to nab the loot.
Originally by: Siigari Kitawa 4. Scan EVERYTHING you can instapop. 5. Make a split-second decision: is shooting worth the risk of possibly destroying the items inside? 6. If yes, fire.
Yes, that's how it's done. Scan, assess 'acceptable risk', decide and shoot.
Originally by: Siigari Kitawa 7. Rush to get the loot with your alt/friend before anyone else can get it.
If the ganker is close enough to the target, I'm already warping to him when he engages, as we're fleeted, or I wait until the wreck appears on overview.
Originally by: Siigari Kitawa 8. PROFIT?
Definitely, since the ship my buddy just lost cost nothing.
Originally by: Siigari Kitawa 9. No! Run safely to a station and dock with your items! 10. Wait out 15 minute aggression with your ganker, then decide what to do next.
Have a smoke. Have a beer. Discuss the loot.
Originally by: Siigari Kitawa This is how it really works. It's not all fun and games. Suicide ganking is as a matter of fact incredibly time consuming and difficult. Days have gone by where I have sat on a gate and shot nothing, only to move to another gate and see a link to a killboard later with billions of isk in a noobship in the system I left.
EVE is hard. Suicide ganking is a profession. It is not "easy isk".
You might just be doing it wrong.
Oh, and as an edit, I did a blog post on one of the ganks. My buddy and I laughed when almost all of the loot went up in smoke, leaving us with only three items.
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Tarminic
24th Imperial Crusade
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Posted - 2008.08.06 14:43:00 -
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Stock Response:
*Sec Status Hit: Only occurs to one person even if a dozen are involved in the gank. Increasing this by a maximum of 10% (+5 sec stat vs. -5 set stat) will affect solo gankers a little, but not very much.
*Improved CONCORD response time: Will force players, in some instances, to upgrade to a larger ship, bring a friend, or fit a few T2 modules (cheaper than going from BC to BS)
*Sec Status Hit Based on System Security: Ganking becomes easier to sustain in lower sec systems and harder in higher-sec systems.
*No Insurance payout: Using a BC to suicide gank someone will now cost you $20 million ISK, not $5 million ISK. This will hurt your ability to profit from low-value targets, and such as someone who carries 50 million ISK of goods in a T1 hauler. It will also raise the bar for the minimum value of freighters to about 1.8 billion ISK (guessing) to be worthy of a suicide gank. However, it won't affect those who do things like carry blueprints in shuttles or officer modules in...well, anything. Profit will still be huge even after insurance payouts. This will also have no effect on suicide ganking mission runners as those worth ganking (officer/deadspace/faction fit) will still be very profitable. |
Faife
Minmatar Kinda'Shujaa
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Posted - 2008.08.06 15:01:00 -
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confirming that this the character that will receive your stuff. - -
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