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Le Skunk
Low Sec Liberators
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Posted - 2008.08.07 05:44:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Noah Noah (CCP) believes that the current wardec system amounts to a pay-to-grief system, and that CCP is interested in making war declarations deeper by adding mechanics such as victory conditions that would eventually end wars. Valentijn (CSM Dierdra Vaal) commented that under the current system, the defender has no control over the war and the attacker can keep it up indefinitely as long as they keep paying the bills. He also observed that there currently is no determined end goal to the war itself.
War decs are next on the chopping block. One wonders whether this is further evidence of a strengthening of CONCORD by the mysterious thread eating JOVIANS.
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Le Skunk
Low Sec Liberators
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Posted - 2008.08.07 05:44:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Wrangler Noah (CCP) believes that the current wardec system amounts to a pay-to-grief system, and that CCP is interested in making war declarations deeper by adding mechanics such as victory conditions that would eventually end wars. Valentijn (CSM Dierdra Vaal) commented that under the current system, the defender has no control over the war and the attacker can keep it up indefinitely as long as they keep paying the bills. He also observed that there currently is no determined end goal to the war itself.
War decs are next on the chopping block. One wonders whether this is further evidence of a strengthening of CONCORD by the mysterious thread eating JOVIANS.
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Kuolematon
Space Perverts and Forum Warriors United
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Posted - 2008.08.07 05:47:00 -
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They removed your previous better post but .. who the hell did suicide gank DEV's exhummer in hisec? Now thanks to that, we got this asswiped nerf to WoW land.
FU CCP, You can lick my sweaty balls.
"The Amarr are the tanking and ganking floating rods of goldcrap"
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Kuolematon
Space Perverts and Forum Warriors United
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Posted - 2008.08.07 05:47:00 -
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They removed your previous better post but .. who the hell did suicide gank DEV's exhummer in hisec? Now thanks to that, we got this asswiped nerf to WoW land.
FU CCP, You can lick my sweaty balls.
"The Amarr are the tanking and ganking floating rods of goldcrap"
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Rubra
J. S. Bach In memoriam
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Posted - 2008.08.07 05:49:00 -
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Sad to see the game nerfed to this extent. The devs should drop their WoW aspirations and get back to what made EVE the great game it was.
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Rubra
J. S. Bach In memoriam
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Posted - 2008.08.07 05:49:00 -
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Sad to see the game nerfed to this extent. The devs should drop their WoW aspirations and get back to what made EVE the great game it was.
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Le Skunk
Low Sec Liberators
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Posted - 2008.08.07 05:58:00 -
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Originally by: Kuolematon They removed your previous better post but .. who the hell did suicide gank DEV's exhummer in hisec? Now thanks to that, we got this asswiped nerf to WoW land.
FU CCP, You can lick my sweaty balls.
I previously had respect for the JOVIANS of the forums, for allowing free flowing dialogue. Unfortunately the mysterious EATING OF THE MYSTIC SPACE THREAD by JOVIAN FORCES lurking on the forums has dented this somewhat.
No one taking credit for this eating is also moderatly annoying.
One would think I was posting a link to source code, not reminding the public of freely available information of the CSM meeting when you look at the speed it was DISENTERGRATED BY JOVIAN SPACE WHALES
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MarleWH
Infortunatus Eventus Obsidian Empire
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Posted - 2008.08.07 06:14:00 -
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Since when is a real war dictated by what the defenders want?
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Le Skunk
Low Sec Liberators
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Posted - 2008.08.07 06:16:00 -
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Language! -Taera
/me points the finger at the culprit
I knew it - your new and overzealous. Complaint incoming.
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northwesten
Amarr Trinity Corporate Services
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Posted - 2008.08.07 06:16:00 -
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old news
Trinity Corporate Services
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El'Niaga
Minmatar Republic Military School
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Posted - 2008.08.07 06:18:00 -
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What keeps them from redeclaring after the first war ends :), also if you carefully manipulate it so that you never really achieve the end result of the war, do you keep war in perpetual.
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Gaia Thorn
Mortis Angelus The Church.
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Posted - 2008.08.07 06:19:00 -
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Edited by: Gaia Thorn on 07/08/2008 06:19:09 Maybe old news but still shows what CCP wants todo with eve in the long run.
Welcome to the new age of wow'ism where everyone is safe unless they want to and even then, they can whine about it and get there shit back.
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InDa Hood
Forum Trolls Inc.
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Posted - 2008.08.07 06:27:00 -
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Originally by: MarleWH Since when is a real war dictated by what the defenders want?
Seconded. Devs need to get more sunlight, the LCD glow is eating your brains.
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Gaia Thorn
Mortis Angelus The Church.
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Posted - 2008.08.07 06:29:00 -
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Originally by: MarleWH Since when is a real war dictated by what the defenders want?
Since CCP found out that catering to the masses that want safety generates higher income then making a game that stands out from the rest.
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Riho
Gallente Mercenary Forces
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Posted - 2008.08.07 06:33:00 -
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Warhammer Online will be released next month.. by the looks of things how everything is changing here. im not sure if i enjoy this game soon :/
all the fun stuff is getting changed. ---------------------------------- Fighting for Minmatar o7 Yes... this is my main. Extreme Troll Slayer...
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Furb Killer
Gallente The first genesis Veritas Immortalis
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Posted - 2008.08.07 06:50:00 -
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Originally by: Riho Warhammer Online will be released next month.. by the looks of things how everything is changing here. im not sure if i enjoy this game soon :/
all the fun stuff is getting changed.
Your stuff -> My hangar?
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Neesa Corrinne
Einherjar Rising
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Posted - 2008.08.07 06:51:00 -
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I, for one, don't really have a problem with a defined goal in a war.
For the past few years you would war dec someone, and then whoever beat the other to CAOD to declare victory was the winner.
You try to bring KB stats into it and everyone just goes "nuh uh, you didn't post all your losses" and the other guys go "Did too, we posted them all, but you conveniently left off that Moros loss" and then they go "Nuh uh, you never killed a moros"
At least with a defined, attainable goal you can kick their butts and get a confirmation that you're the winner.
To Wrangler: The current war dec system is NOT pay to grief. Whoever has been whispering that in your ear is in the employ of some empire based mining corporation who hasn't bothered to learn even the basics of combat tactics.
There are at least a dozen ways to avoid a fight in empire and if anyone wants a good rundown of them, just go ask any past members of the now defunct Fang alliance. They know every single method of fight avoidance in the book.
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Surfin's PlunderBunny
Minmatar Metafarmers
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Posted - 2008.08.07 06:53:00 -
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These are trying times... but Garmon will deliver the faithful from the clutches of the devs.
HAHAHAHA, someone ganked a dev's exhumer?
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Karanth
Gallente Eve's Brothers of Destiny FOUNDATI0N
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Posted - 2008.08.07 07:10:00 -
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Originally by: Surfin's PlunderBunny These are trying times... but Garmon will deliver the faithful from the clutches of the devs.
HAHAHAHA, someone ganked a dev's exhumer?
Pics or it didn't happen!
Also, elaborate on this "Garmon". CBA to actually figure it out myself.
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Amy Crest
COLSUP Tau Ceti Federation
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Posted - 2008.08.07 07:12:00 -
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Well, everyone has to admit that the current wardec system need an overhaul.
In the last 2 previous years, TCF has been wedecced maybe two dozens times. Yet, in all those wardecs, there's been only one, yes that's right, one, night of moderately meaningfull hostilities (as in, a roaming gang that actually moved a few jumps out of empire to attack us).
The current system is not worthy of the name "war declaration". If CCP can replace it with something where there'll be more action, I'm all for it.
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Taradis
Amarr The Imperial Assassins Ethereal Dawn
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Posted - 2008.08.07 07:23:00 -
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Originally by: Surfin's PlunderBunny These are trying times... but Garmon will deliver the faithful from the clutches of the devs.
HAHAHAHA, someone ganked a dev's exhumer?
Wow thats kinda funny
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Artassaut
Minmatar Oblivion Amalgamated
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Posted - 2008.08.07 07:27:00 -
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Bribe CONCORD to set a Corp's security Status to -10.0. --- The Gate: Lol, try targeting me in a fleet fight. The Station: No U. |
Riho
Gallente Mercenary Forces
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Posted - 2008.08.07 07:32:00 -
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Originally by: Furb Killer
Originally by: Riho Warhammer Online will be released next month.. by the looks of things how everything is changing here. im not sure if i enjoy this game soon :/
all the fun stuff is getting changed.
Your stuff -> My hangar?
my stuff will be donated to my corpies if i leave ---------------------------------- Fighting for Minmatar o7 Yes... this is my main. Extreme Troll Slayer...
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Malcanis
We are Legend eXceed.
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Posted - 2008.08.07 07:34:00 -
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Originally by: Amy Crest Well, everyone has to admit that the current wardec system need an overhaul.
In the last 2 previous years, TCF has been wedecced maybe two dozens times. Yet, in all those wardecs, there's been only one, yes that's right, one, night of moderately meaningfull hostilities (as in, a roaming gang that actually moved a few jumps out of empire to attack us).
The current system is not worthy of the name "war declaration". If CCP can replace it with something where there'll be more action, I'm all for it.
I'm inferring that "more action" not their intention. Quite the opposite, in fact.
Also: Who is this "CCP Fear" and since when was non-consensual PvP "griefing" in EvE?
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Leora Nomen
Amarr
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Posted - 2008.08.07 07:41:00 -
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He is right about how the war decs get often used. But the question is, is that really such a terrible thing and broken game mechanic that needs to be tampered with?
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Ushatuhkwa Kaeshe
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Posted - 2008.08.07 07:50:00 -
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Originally by: Leora Nomen He is right about how the suicide ganks get often used. But the question is, is that really such a terrible thing and broken game mechanic that needs to be tampered with?
Originally by: Leora Nomen He is right about how the nanos get often used. But the question is, is that really such a terrible thing and broken game mechanic that needs to be tampered with?
see what i did there?
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Haniblecter Teg
F.R.E.E. Explorer Elitist Cowards
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Posted - 2008.08.07 07:53:00 -
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Originally by: MarleWH Since when is a real war dictated by what the defenders want?
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Veldya
Caldari Guristari Freedom Fighters
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Posted - 2008.08.07 08:13:00 -
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Originally by: Amy Crest Well, everyone has to admit that the current wardec system need an overhaul.
In the last 2 previous years, TCF has been wedecced maybe two dozens times. Yet, in all those wardecs, there's been only one, yes that's right, one, night of moderately meaningfull hostilities (as in, a roaming gang that actually moved a few jumps out of empire to attack us).
The current system is not worthy of the name "war declaration". If CCP can replace it with something where there'll be more action, I'm all for it.
I think Wardec should be exactly that, a war declaration and not a gank declaration. When I was involved in a big 0.0 alliance we would get 1 to 2 wardecs a week and you would see zero action from these 10 man pirate corps. If I was in a hauler in Jita I probably would have seen some action...
I think wardecs should end prematurely if the aggressor is not inflicting casualties. That will allow the defending corp to come out in combat ships and if they are not engaged then the dec ends early.
Wardec is legitimate for corp or alliance wars as you want to disrupt the supply lines in empire but they should be an element of war and not just a tool for gankers to avoid consequences of their actions.
In saying that, like with the suicide ganking changes I do believe they need to counter the negative changes with some real positive changes for low-sec. I have a lot of ideas that would send people there and they are easily doable. Pirates should spend the majority of their time in low-sec the problem is the risk vs reward is just way off at the moment.
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Aodha Khan
Minmatar The Paratwa FOUNDATI0N
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Posted - 2008.08.07 08:20:00 -
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Edited by: Aodha Khan on 07/08/2008 08:23:45
ah, well, if Eve goes the same way as Ultima Online Trammel then who wants my stuff? Defenders don't decide when to stop wars. How stupid is that.
Boost low sec instead CCP! Get this game to come alive again in those areas.
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Tippia
Caldari School of Applied Knowledge
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Posted - 2008.08.07 08:31:00 -
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Originally by: MarleWH Since when is a real war dictated by what the defenders want?
Ever since "surrender" and "offering terms" were invented.
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