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mineforman
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Posted - 2008.08.07 17:18:00 -
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I been playing this game for about 2 years and have 2 accounts. One to pvp and this guy to run missions and build stuff. I notice so many whines about being a carebear. Why must I pvp in empire space can I not just enjoy building and mining and pay concord to watch my back. Even then I might be ganked or grief on missions. I barely get the isk to play this game for free every month (now every 2 months) I just barely get the isk to pay for gtc (only on one account). I having fun and people who like to pvp are having fun in low or 0.0 space. Why do people feel the need to push me out of empire. Wouldn't real space have safe places and dangerous areas (sometimes I think this game just a simulation for some aliens i.e The book Ender's game)
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Atlas Oracle
Minmatar Native Freshfood
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Posted - 2008.08.07 17:21:00 -
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Originally by: mineforman Why do people feel the need to push me out of empire.
who is pushing you out of empire?
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Almiel
Gallente Blood Inquisition
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Posted - 2008.08.07 17:21:00 -
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I don't know, why can't you be a carebear? Just be one!
Is there something stopping you from being a carebear?
Please elaborate.
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Tharukan Desm'ar
Gallente The Ninth Circle Accord Corporate Enterprise Syndicate
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Posted - 2008.08.07 17:21:00 -
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Because some people think their way of playing is the way everyone should.
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mineforman
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Posted - 2008.08.07 17:22:00 -
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Originally by: Atlas Oracle
Originally by: mineforman Why do people feel the need to push me out of empire.
who is pushing you out of empire?
Nobody yet but from the whines on forums they sure want to get me out there!
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Roy Batty68
Caldari Immortal Dead
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Posted - 2008.08.07 17:23:00 -
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Be proud! Like these guys...
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Zeba
Minmatar Pator Tech School
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Posted - 2008.08.07 17:23:00 -
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Edited by: Zeba on 07/08/2008 17:23:33
Its ok op.
Whilst you are in the game having a good time doing as you wish and producing ships and mods for the pvpers to use on everyone they have to come here to alieviate the tedium of 40 jump fleet ops and 6 hour gate camps. Hence the forums.
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Almiel
Gallente Blood Inquisition
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Posted - 2008.08.07 17:24:00 -
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You can be a carebear in empire, just do what you want and do not let the whines affect you.
However, you can also be a carebear in low-sec or in 0.0. Being a carebear does not mean you _have_ to stay in highsec.
In the end, just do what you like most, the way you like most, where you like most.
Also, keep in mind that in the end you are responsible for your own security wherever you are. Not Concord, not CCP. Only you.
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Atlas Oracle
Minmatar Native Freshfood
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Posted - 2008.08.07 17:27:00 -
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Originally by: mineforman
Originally by: Atlas Oracle
Originally by: mineforman Why do people feel the need to push me out of empire.
who is pushing you out of empire?
Nobody yet but from the whines on forums they sure want to get me out there!
the have no way to "push you out of empire". of course they want you out there, so they can kill you. is that rocket science?
if you've been playing eve for two years, you probably realize by now that the forum sewer here is mostly populated by the s****of the interwebs and is not representative of the majority of people/players.
but at least be realistic... nobody can push you out of empire, that's nonsense.
and of course there will always be carebear haters. always! it's the way these pasty little 5'7" 125lb pansies who got bullied in school try to act all tough and hard on the gangster interwebs. all games have that, this one just more than most.
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Faife
Minmatar Kinda'Shujaa
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Posted - 2008.08.07 17:28:00 -
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the forums represent about 0.1% the players, population wise, and all of them are pvpers
don't take them too seriously - -
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Exlegion
New Light Hydra Alliance
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Posted - 2008.08.07 17:33:00 -
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mineforman,
Ignore them. There will always be people that frolic when causing others' grief and misfortunes. When they're deprived from their high you get what's basically happening here in the forums; lots of screams of desperation and misery from their part. The whines eventually quiet down and they find other ways to abuse mechanics with the intention to grief and reacquire their satisfaction for others' misery. And then the cycle starts over again.
One of us equals many of us. Disrespect one of us, you'll see plenty of us. - Gang Starr |
Zeba
Minmatar Pator Tech School
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Posted - 2008.08.07 17:36:00 -
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Originally by: Faife the forums represent about 0.1% the players, population wise, and all of them are pvpers
don't take them too seriously
Actually its right at 0.04%. True numbers.
inappropriate signature. ~WeatherMan |
Tippia
Caldari School of Applied Knowledge
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Posted - 2008.08.07 17:44:00 -
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Nothing is stopping you from being a carebear, and no-one is pushing you into lowsec.
You just have to realise and accept that being a carebear and staying in high-sec in no way makes you immune to PvP and that this lack of immunity is entirely intended.
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Ishquar Teh'Sainte
Tri Optimum Ev0ke
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Posted - 2008.08.07 17:45:00 -
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i don't care if you're in hi-sec, low-sec or no-sec.
but i care if you want opt out of competition.
there are too many players that think that EVE can be played as a singleplayer game. and in their ignorance they moan about everything that puts competitive pressure on them. these people are called carebears.
either realize that competition can mean shooting other people, selling stuff for lower prizes than other trader/producers or overbidding competitors on auctions - it doesn't matter - and that all these different styles to compete are important to THIS game.
or GTFO.
you enjoy building and trading? fine .. so be it. it's your personal preference. no one can take this from you (and shouldn't do this)
but ignoring the fact that EVERY ship and module you sell on the market, EVERY asteroid you mine, EVERY auction you bid on, affects the whole thing is in the best case ignorance and in the worst case stupidity.
there are different ways to compete (as mentioned above - you can compete by using your own money or by using your own weapons or both) - by removing one of these possibilities to put pressure on your competition it becomes a dull and boring (and completly different) game. ___________________
-Skellibjalla- Life is a garden of perceptions. Pick your fruit.
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Pithecanthropus
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Posted - 2008.08.07 18:12:00 -
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Just remember, behind every chestpopping pvper is a carebear hauler alt, a carebear mission alt, a carebear industry alt, a carebear trade alt, a carebear research alt... etc.
It's a fake perception these weenies like to deliver. Carebear is such a good term nowadays... since we are all one of them. It's lost its meaning. Frankly, the lesser carebears are just better at hiding it. --------------------------------- Pithecanthropus erectus, a name derived from Greek and Latin roots meaning upright ape-man. |
Syniztur
Minmatar Republic Military School
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Posted - 2008.08.07 18:15:00 -
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Originally by: Roy Batty68 Be proud! Like these guys...
omg... that was EPIC LOLZ!
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Letrange
Minmatar Chaosstorm Corporation Apoapsis Multiversal Consortium
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Posted - 2008.08.07 18:19:00 -
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Edited by: Letrange on 07/08/2008 18:20:32 Ignore the whiners, they just want easy targets. Better yet ask them why don't they take their empire carebear alts down to low sec themselves?
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Jenna Shame
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Posted - 2008.08.07 18:22:00 -
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Originally by: mineforman Wouldn't real space have safe places and dangerous areas (sometimes I think this game just a simulation for some aliens i.e The book Ender's game)
While I think anyone who is entertained by EvE carebearing must have a very...special...mind, as I find the PvE game very very very very...very..repetitive, boring, and unimaginative, and playing the market for the sake of playing the market as fun as reading a spread sheet, hey to each there own.
But you blew it here. If you want to be a carebear fine, but what does 'real space have safe places' even mean? Look around you, real crime, real murder, real death all happen in 'safe' places on this very planet, but real space is a magic unicorn land where people will stop being meanies...in spots?
And while Enders Game is a great book (the follow up books all universally sucked) you get major nerd points for that one as well. If EvE were an alien simulation, then I think WoW is a precursor to an alien invasion, making the young men all fat and doughy. Bad fighters and good eating.
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Ruze
Amarr No Applicable Corporation
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Posted - 2008.08.07 18:28:00 -
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Carebear is, to me, doing anything that doesn't directly relate to combat with another player. Running missions, complexes, or ratting. Mining. Even producing things from the minerals you mine. These are what I see as 'carebear', so when I think of carebears, I'm not thinking negatively on anyone. If it wasn't for carebears, we'd have a serious issue with getting good equipment.
So you want security? That's perfectly alright. But you should be willing to trade freedom and profit for that security. |
Asinia Au
Amarr Hand Of Tyr
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Posted - 2008.08.07 18:52:00 -
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That's a pretty good definition of carebear Ruze. Certainly a lot better than, "a player who believes EVE can be played as a single player game".
Just because someone doesn't participate in ship popping PvP doesn't mean they don't compete with other players. I've seen some of the most cutthroat tactics used by traders, manufacturers and such players. Players may choose to avoid the pew pew, but that doesn't mean they are any less competitive, or that they play only for themselves.
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Kahega Amielden
Minmatar 24th Imperial Crusade
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Posted - 2008.08.07 19:21:00 -
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No one cares if you want to be a carebear, they care that someone who carebears it up in hisec makes as much or more ISK as someone who risks themselves in lowsec/0.0
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Rhanna Khurin
Minmatar Tribal Liberation Force
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Posted - 2008.08.07 19:23:00 -
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Dones't matter if someone calls you a carebear, just play the game however you want that gives you the most fun.
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Asinia Au
Amarr Hand Of Tyr
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Posted - 2008.08.07 19:27:00 -
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Edited by: Asinia Au on 07/08/2008 19:27:08 (answering Kahega) And the software engineer who spends her days in an air conditioned office makes as much (if not considerably more) than the construction worker on the 40th floor of an office building under construction.
Is it fair? I would say, yes. It is a different mind and skill set. It makes no difference that one is at greater risk every day. Risk of falling (or being popped) is not the only measure of value.
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Plumpy McPudding
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Posted - 2008.08.07 19:31:00 -
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Edited by: Plumpy McPudding on 07/08/2008 19:31:45 I always liked the carebears. What a lovely show. The Gummi bears were better though.
Gummi Bears! Bouncing here and there and everywhere!
David the Gnome ruled!!!! __________________________
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Barsexual
Castle Greyskull
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Posted - 2008.08.07 19:32:00 -
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Edited by: Barsexual on 07/08/2008 19:32:28 I don't care if you stay in Motsu the rest of your EVE life or rat 24/7 in cyno jammed 0.0 in your pve alliance but if you are forced to pvp by war dec or someone invading your precious ratting space and whine about "unfair" pvp mechanics and whine loud enough to change PVP mechanics to work in favor of your PVE specced char than there's a huge problem.
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Asinia Au
Amarr Hand Of Tyr
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Posted - 2008.08.07 19:34:00 -
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Bars, agreed!
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Kahega Amielden
Minmatar 24th Imperial Crusade
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Posted - 2008.08.07 19:34:00 -
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Edited by: Kahega Amielden on 07/08/2008 19:35:53
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And the software engineer who spends her days in an air conditioned office makes as much (if not considerably more) than the construction worker on the 40th floor of an office building under construction.
Is it fair? I would say, yes. It is a different mind and skill set. It makes no difference that one is at greater risk every day. Risk of falling (or being popped) is not the only measure of value.
Real world comparisons are shit. In hte real world, the software engineer contributes more to the economy than a single construction worker which is why they get paid more. EVE is not the real world, and part of EVE's design philosophy is that going into the more risky parts of space is more rewarding. The uselessness of lowsec mining was an UNINTENDED consequence of the drone regions. Missions are scalable by security status, CCP simply didn't predict that the bounties/loot would make up almost all the profit, rather than the LP/ISK rewards (which increase with lower sec status).
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I don't care if you stay in Motsu the rest of your EVE life or rat 24/7 in cyno jammed 0.0 in your pve alliance but if you are forced to pvp by war dec or someone invading your precious ratting space and whine about "unfair" pvp mechanics and whine loud enough to change PVP mechanics to work in favor of your PVE specced char than there's a huge problem.
It wasn't whines that caused it, though. Unless you're talking about the suicide ganking change, in which case you're wrong because suicide ganking was stupid. it wasn't risky, it was just calculating time for CONCORD to respond compared to your DPS and the victim's tank. It was too easy to gank stuff with insurance.
Hisec didn't need to be less safe, it needed to be less profitable.
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Asinia Au
Amarr Hand Of Tyr
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Posted - 2008.08.07 19:43:00 -
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And then there are those who enjoy both! So I hate myself for being a PvPer and a miner industrialist.
I hate you! No, I hate you! Uh-uh! I hate you MORE!
It never ends 'til I end up going to bed with a headache.
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Ruze
Amarr No Applicable Corporation
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Posted - 2008.08.07 19:47:00 -
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Originally by: Asinia Au And then there are those who enjoy both! So I hate myself for being a PvPer and a miner industrialist.
I hate you! No, I hate you! Uh-uh! I hate you MORE!
It never ends 'til I end up going to bed with a headache.
I'm a self-professed carebear who has his own NRDS policy. But I don't play EvE to play a single-player game with a chat room, which I think many of the more obstinate players seem to want to do.
Then again, I don't go into lowsec and take pop shots at anyone, either.
So you want security? That's perfectly alright. But you should be willing to trade freedom and profit for that security. |
Tenoh
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Posted - 2008.08.07 19:53:00 -
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The reason pvpers want you out of high sec is that they want you as a target they can destroy and laugh at and then spit at you,it show the worst in human nature and thats why i hate humans.
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