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Evelgrivion
Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2008.08.08 05:29:00 -
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Edited by: Evelgrivion on 08/08/2008 05:31:56 The general consensus among many people is that it is a very tedious task to regain lost security status. Depending on the quality of the rats available to you, it can take anywhere from a day of constant grinding, to over a week of work, depending on how much time you can devote to the task, to regain just a single point of lost security status.
It would be wise for CCP to consider how much time and effort actually goes into restoring security status as it is, before it becomes even more difficult to regain lost points. It is most certainly not fun, let me tell you.
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Vaal Erit
Science and Trade Institute
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Posted - 2008.08.08 07:07:00 -
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In before don't do the crime if you can't do the time.
But yeah, ratting is so, so boring. I think most people would rather pay isk than rat for sec status gain. --
http://desusig.crumplecorn.com/sigs.html
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Vengal Seyhan
Sten Industries
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Posted - 2008.08.08 07:16:00 -
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Originally by: Evelgrivion Edited by: Evelgrivion on 08/08/2008 05:31:56 The general consensus among many people is that it is a very tedious task to regain lost security status. Depending on the quality of the rats available to you, it can take anywhere from a day of constant grinding, to over a week of work, depending on how much time you can devote to the task, to regain just a single point of lost security status.
It would be wise for CCP to consider how much time and effort actually goes into restoring security status as it is, before it becomes even more difficult to regain lost points. It is most certainly not fun, let me tell you.
Depends on your perspective, I guess. If you've had a hauler popped in highsec by a suicide squad you're probably in favour of anything that makes those *****s hurt and grind for longer to redeem themselves. Same too with perma gatecamps (Hi BL3H!).
Right now, regaining your ability to travel freely is tedious, which it should be.
If you're agroing people at the belts on a daily basis, I think that's a bit of a grey area. Going out to 0.0 for recreational PvP to avoid sec loss, or find good rats to regain sec-status quickly, rarely works because the gateway systems are inevitably deathzones. You also have to contend with bullshit politics and ego (eg can't rat in system X, can't travel to Y) that usually have no basis aside from petty dominance games.... but that's not what they're addressing here.
Right now the changes to sec loss appear to have little difference for actions in lowsec. It'll still be the same grind it ever was to recover sec status, no worse.
What is getting nerfed are those people who suicide squad in highsec.
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maarud
Sharks With Frickin' Laser Beams
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Posted - 2008.08.08 07:31:00 -
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The problem, for me anyway, is that to grind back sec status, you almost have to have access to 0.0. Low sec ratting doesn't yield enough sec status return on ratting to make it worth the risk of you actually ratting in low sec, you would probably be better off ratting in a 0.5.
At the time time, the rats from missions give a worse return when it comes to sec status grinding.
To cut things short, increase the sec status returns on teh rats from missions and have the sec status of the systems make a difference too, low sec yielding the best return.
This should help eliminate the need for ppl to have 0.0 access to grind back sec status.
Maarud.
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Hugh Ruka
Exploratio et Industria Morispatia
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Posted - 2008.08.08 08:03:00 -
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you chose to commit the crime, face the consequences ...
I mean you can't regain faction standing once you are -5.0 (or with much difficulty), why should you be able to regain sec status ?
security status as it is, has no meaning. you can't tell a pirate from a carebear, both can have +5. --- SIG --- CSM: your support is needed ! |
Evelgrivion
Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2008.08.08 08:10:00 -
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Edited by: Evelgrivion on 08/08/2008 08:14:47 Edited by: Evelgrivion on 08/08/2008 08:14:08
Originally by: Hugh Ruka you chose to commit the crime, face the consequences ...
I mean you can't regain faction standing once you are -5.0 (or with much difficulty), why should you be able to regain sec status ?
security status as it is, has no meaning. you can't tell a pirate from a carebear, both can have +5.
Eve is not real life. PVP is meant to be fun, and the original developer team originally set out to create a PVP game.
The reason security status exists is to provide a role playing aspect for security, and if I recall correctly, to restrict those who killed lots of people in high security space from hanging around there - Concord originally did not have any real capacity to stop people.
The system works, but it doesn't add to the enjoyability of the game; it punishes people for engaging in the PVP aspect EVE was designed around.
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Koyama Ise
Caldari Equestrian Knight Order of Lolicon
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Posted - 2008.08.08 08:16:00 -
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My sec status actually didn't come back too slow in missions after I killed a noob myrm in lowsec, maybe it's cause I do it as a casual thing more often than not so I don't need it up fast so my relative term of fast is slow for one trying to pirate for a living.
------ Cause it can't be quoted enough.
Originally by: Damned Force Something like: Nanoships need a nerf but only the 10km/s+ ships. Nano HACs to slowboating Battleships wil be ****ed.
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Sweet Rosella
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Posted - 2008.08.08 08:41:00 -
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manage your sec status, train fast talk, you only gain sec status from npc every 20mins unless you change system
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Taram Caldar
Noir. Trinity Nova Alliance
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Posted - 2008.08.08 14:33:00 -
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Edited by: Taram Caldar on 08/08/2008 14:33:45 Erm...
Deal with it?
Seriously... this is what alts are for....
As far as regaining sec status? It doesn't take long, even in lowsec.... christ people whine too much. If you don't want to lose sec status join a 0.0 alliance or join a wardec corp/alliance and limit yourself to LEGAL targets.
Sheez... .
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Draygo Korvan
Merch Industrial GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.08.08 14:39:00 -
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Originally by: Taram Caldar Edited by: Taram Caldar on 08/08/2008 14:33:45 Erm...
Deal with it?
Seriously... this is what alts are for....
As far as regaining sec status? It doesn't take long, even in lowsec.... christ people whine too much. If you don't want to lose sec status join a 0.0 alliance or join a wardec corp/alliance and limit yourself to LEGAL targets.
Sheez...
Uh he is? Evelgrivion Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers
I'm pretty sure people declare war on them often as well. --
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Hugh Ruka
Exploratio et Industria Morispatia
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Posted - 2008.08.08 14:47:00 -
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Originally by: Evelgrivion Edited by: Evelgrivion on 08/08/2008 08:14:47 Edited by: Evelgrivion on 08/08/2008 08:14:08
Originally by: Hugh Ruka you chose to commit the crime, face the consequences ...
I mean you can't regain faction standing once you are -5.0 (or with much difficulty), why should you be able to regain sec status ?
security status as it is, has no meaning. you can't tell a pirate from a carebear, both can have +5.
Eve is not real life. PVP is meant to be fun, and the original developer team originally set out to create a PVP game.
The reason security status exists is to provide a role playing aspect for security, and if I recall correctly, to restrict those who killed lots of people in high security space from hanging around there - Concord originally did not have any real capacity to stop people.
The system works, but it doesn't add to the enjoyability of the game; it punishes people for engaging in the PVP aspect EVE was designed around.
I'd say FPS >>> that way
If the game were PvP centric, there would be no security restrictions ...
I am sick and tired of people telling me EvE is a PvP centric game, when the facts show different picture. OK I know everybody likes different things and everybody likes to have his fun his way. But please do NOT try to force you fun on other people.
And the PvP aspect is not punished ... you have the WHOLE 0.0 for your PvP fun. Lowsec and Highsec are not meant to be PvP primary arenas. PvP is possible there, but it should be limited more and more with higher system sec status. --- SIG --- CSM: your support is needed ! |
Elaine Celeste
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Posted - 2008.08.08 15:02:00 -
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Edited by: Elaine Celeste on 08/08/2008 15:04:34
Security status loss for attacking someone in 0.4 and below should be minimal. It should, however, remain the same in high-sec.
Low-sec is meant for pirating, and people who choose to do so should not be punished by having to rat up their security status. Sure, give people small security losses, as low-sec is theoretically still empire space, but atm they're definitely too high.
Also, make rats in low-sec give more sec status.
People who wish to pirate in low-sec should not be forced to run missions or rat just to keep doing what they like to in Eve. CELESTE LOTTERIES: Where losing is almost harder than winning... almost. |
Mr Rive
Black Omega Security Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2008.08.08 15:40:00 -
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CCP should do the same to regaining sec as they did to losing it. The lower security systems you rat in, the more sec you gain.
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Bronson Hughes
Knights of the Wild
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Posted - 2008.08.08 17:49:00 -
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Originally by: Mr Rive CCP should do the same to regaining sec as they did to losing it. The lower security systems you rat in, the more sec you gain.
In a manner of speaking that's already the case. The Sec Status you get for killing an NPC is, I believe, linked to its bounty, and the bounties on 'normal' NPCs (i.e. not mission spawns) are linked to the true security status of the system. There's some degree of randomness, but in general you'll get Sec Status back faster 'ratting in lower security systems. -------------------- "I am hard pressed on my right; my centre is giving way; situation excellent; I am attacking." - Ferdinand Foch at the Battle of the Marne |
Foulque
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Posted - 2008.08.08 19:15:00 -
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Originally by: Hugh Ruka
I am sick and tired of people telling me EvE is a PvP centric game, when the facts show different picture. OK I know everybody likes different things and everybody likes to have his fun his way. But please do NOT try to force you fun on other people.
That's why there is high sec, don't want to die? Stay there, you're missing the most excitement you can have in Eve.
Excluding missions EVE is entirely PVP and interaction based. See that big warning on your screen first time you go into low sec? - Extremely dangerous, youre gonna die etc.... If you go into low sec you're willingly taking that risk.
The sec hits in low sec are just too much though, went out for a couple of hours in a gang the other day and got I think 3 kills, for a sec hit of a whole point. For someone who doesn't actually have access to 00 to rat it basically condemns me to either be an outlaw or give up PVP, which sucks.
There is no way to repair any sort of regular sec loss in high sec is no better. I just seriously hope that with the large increase to sec hit for suicide gankers (which actually does make sense) comes an equal reduction in low sec sec hits.
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Jaketh Ivanes
Amarr Imperial Servants
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Posted - 2008.08.09 00:11:00 -
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Originally by: Evelgrivion Edited by: Evelgrivion on 08/08/2008 05:31:56 The general consensus among many people is that it is a very tedious task to regain lost security status. Depending on the quality of the rats available to you, it can take anywhere from a day of constant grinding, to over a week of work, depending on how much time you can devote to the task, to regain just a single point of lost security status.
It would be wise for CCP to consider how much time and effort actually goes into restoring security status as it is, before it becomes even more difficult to regain lost points. It is most certainly not fun, let me tell you.
Turn it around. How long will it take for your victim to recover from your unlawfull attack? In case of low sec pirating/protection, there should not be that much difference from what's on TQ now. But suiciding in empire will be a pain now, both for the victim (which has to lose a lot more than the suiciding gang loses, due to items going boom). So I think it's only fair that you have to spend more time grinding up the sec status.
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Grarr Dexx
Amarr Avenging United
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Posted - 2008.08.09 00:33:00 -
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Originally by: Evelgrivion Edited by: Evelgrivion on 08/08/2008 08:14:47 Edited by: Evelgrivion on 08/08/2008 08:14:08
Originally by: Hugh Ruka you chose to commit the crime, face the consequences ...
I mean you can't regain faction standing once you are -5.0 (or with much difficulty), why should you be able to regain sec status ?
security status as it is, has no meaning. you can't tell a pirate from a carebear, both can have +5.
Eve is not real life. PVP is meant to be fun, and the original developer team originally set out to create a PVP game.
The reason security status exists is to provide a role playing aspect for security, and if I recall correctly, to restrict those who killed lots of people in high security space from hanging around there - Concord originally did not have any real capacity to stop people.
The system works, but it doesn't add to the enjoyability of the game; it punishes people for engaging in the PVP aspect EVE was designed around.
Never thought I'd say it to a bobbit: gb2wow.
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