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Zooooooom	Posted - 2008.08.11 15:51:00 - [151] CCP, have you considered that the Deimos will be in deep crap now? With the web nerf, the tracking on blaster ships will be terrible. And a scram is going to disable an mwd, so if I fit an AB on my Deimos, then that's just one useless bonus for a Deimos, no? And the suicide nerf is going to be pretty bad. Consider mercenaries who fly into low sec for a contract. It's going to be more difficult to work sec status back up from that, then.
Cpt Branko Surge. NIght's Dawn	Posted - 2008.08.11 15:58:00 - [152] Originally by: Harris Your comments of course, could be on about the suicide ganks and the security nerfs. If you think that counts as PVP then it speaks volumes about you and the way you like to play. The only disadvantage to the security nerf is that it might be more awkward to keep your -10 sec rating than before. They decided to nerf wardecs next, too. I'm honestly wondering wether low-sec is next. Sig removed, inappropriate link. If you would like further details please mail [email protected] ~Saint
Shigsy The Golden Goat	Posted - 2008.08.11 16:04:00 - [153] Edited by: Shigsy on 11/08/2008 16:04:31 Originally by: Prez21 Originally by: CCP Prism X Little do you know that I'm actually CCP Atropos' alt. My take on the changes: Eve has always been a harsh MMO to play. These changes are harsh for a certain specialized style of play. Is that wrong? No. It's getting a bit harsh for empire suicide and nanoboats (harsh <> impossible, impossble is the stuff we put on your cereal). Don't keep your eggs in a single basket and adapting will be easier. Nerfs come and go. Don't expect to never be affected by one. Batman has contingencies, why don't you? I actualy thought you was one of the few devs who actualy new what eve was realy about, how wrong was i. What a stupid comment youve just made, your saying EVE is still a harsh place because CCP are being harsh towards the pvpers and making it easier for the carebears, i dont think you quite understand what the player base means when we say EVE is meant to be a dark, cold and harsh place. I understand you want to attract more subscriptions and you guys have decided to make it easier for new players and to be honest you dont give a **** about the people that have been player 3+ years because all CCP cares about at the minute is money, and you cant realy blame them, but it would be nice of you guys to just admit that a carebear verssion of eve like the one you are trying to make attracts more customers and makes you more money and thats why you constantly in recent years cave in to the carebear whines. Agreeing with this post. edit: im actually cancelling my 3 accounts (seriously)
Crumplecorn Gallente Eve Cluster Explorations	Posted - 2008.08.11 16:06:00 - [154] Originally by: Shigsy edit: im actually cancelling my 3 accounts (seriously) Can I have your stuff? - DesuSigs
Dizeezer Velar Caldari League of Disgruntled Fast Food Employees	Posted - 2008.08.11 16:07:00 - [155] Originally by: Cpt Branko Originally by: Harris Your comments of course, could be on about the suicide ganks and the security nerfs. If you think that counts as PVP then it speaks volumes about you and the way you like to play. The only disadvantage to the security nerf is that it might be more awkward to keep your -10 sec rating than before. They decided to nerf wardecs next, too. I'm honestly wondering wether low-sec is next. I've read about this impending war dec nerf, but i haven't read anything about the changes yet, anyone know how it's getting nerfed? The idea of making a "fair" war is ridiculous. Wars are never fair, the victor is the more prepared or saavy player both IRL and (in game) [/url]
Ga'len Neo Spartans	Posted - 2008.08.11 16:08:00 - [156] Originally by: CCP Atropos As much as I would love to, I can't use my cattle prod on them. /wants new in game item!!!!! I could really use this on a few corpies that annoy me!!!
Judge Ment Out of Order Vanguard.	Posted - 2008.08.11 16:09:00 - [157] Well CCP can always create another Guild Wars like Microsoft. You can have your PURE PVP or Carebear Servers. The Reason why I like EVE because both PVP and Carebear create the Game play. That really draws my attention to this SANDBOX game. The biggest issue for me is spending MONEY each month to train these useless skills. This is not the first time I train something for nothing.
Cpt Branko Surge. NIght's Dawn	Posted - 2008.08.11 16:15:00 - [158] Edited by: Cpt Branko on 11/08/2008 16:15:49 Originally by: Dizeezer Velar Originally by: Cpt Branko They decided to nerf wardecs next, too. I'm honestly wondering wether low-sec is next. I've read about this impending war dec nerf, but i haven't read anything about the changes yet, anyone know how it's getting nerfed? The idea of making a "fair" war is ridiculous. Wars are never fair, the victor is the more prepared or saavy player both IRL and (in game) Well, it appears that CCP is concerned because, as they said, "defenders have no control over the war" (lol?), and that it's a "pay to grief" system (grief, lol). Given the general direction they're heading in now, it's reasonable to expect a heavy-handed nerf. Sig removed, inappropriate link. If you would like further details please mail [email protected] ~Saint
Drunk Driver Gallente	Posted - 2008.08.11 16:20:00 - [159] Originally by: CCP Atropos Me, I'm quitting. I was like, "no wai dude" and they were like "uhuh" so I said "NO WAI" and they said "uhuh". I said "DO NOT WANT!" and now me and my 3.14159 accounts are quitting! He, he..... Someone with a sense of humor.
Andrue Amarr	Posted - 2008.08.11 16:22:00 - [160] Edited by: Andrue on 11/08/2008 16:21:44 Originally by: CCP Prism X Little do you know that I'm actually CCP Atropos' alt. My take on the changes: Eve has always been a harsh MMO to play. These changes are harsh for a certain specialized style of play. Is that wrong? No. It's getting a bit harsh for empire suicide and nanoboats (harsh <> impossible, impossble is the stuff we put on your cereal). Don't keep your eggs in a single basket and adapting will be easier. Nerfs come and go. Don't expect to never be affected by one. Batman has contingencies, why don't you? CCP giveth and CCP taketh away. But if they nerf my Nighthawk again I shall stamp my foot and cry. -- (Sarcastic mission running veteran, 4+ years) [Brackley, UK] My budgie can say "ploppy bottom". You have been warned.
Valan The Fated	Posted - 2008.08.11 16:27:00 - [161] Originally by: CCP Prism X Little do you know that I'm actually CCP Atropos' alt. My take on the changes: Eve has always been a harsh MMO to play. These changes are harsh for a certain specialized style of play. Is that wrong? No. It's getting a bit harsh for empire suicide and nanoboats (harsh <> impossible, impossble is the stuff we put on your cereal). Don't keep your eggs in a single basket and adapting will be easier. Nerfs come and go. Don't expect to never be affected by one. Batman has contingencies, why don't you? The suicide change was an adjustment of the profit margin. Still the same as it was but the target has to be more profitable. Although most people think its ended suicide so they'll carry more stuff so the opportunities for ganking won't reduce. The numbers in the calculation will be bigger thats all. But you didn't want to say that becuase then the bears would realise you still cna't carry billiosn worth of stuff in a T! hauler and whine further. That's spinning a paradigm shift at CCP. You're removing non-consensual PvP bit by bit. It's insulting really that you would think we would go for that. But seeing the obvious change in the majority of the player base I see why you would think you would get away with it. /start sig I love old characters that post 'I've beeen playing the game four years' when I know their account has been sold on. /end sig
Sprobe Association of Commonwealth Enterprises Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2008.08.11 16:36:00 - [162] na I don't, Eve is an evolving game. But I'd understand if people are thinking about leaving, if you are highly affected by sudden nerf bats hitting you.
Phil Exon	Posted - 2008.08.11 16:39:00 - [163] I didn't like their nos nerf, i hated their dampner nerf and now nano nerf This is soooooooo freaking annoying, just let us play the game!
Aarin Wrath Caldari	Posted - 2008.08.11 16:43:00 - [164] I welcome the changes. Seemed like things were unbalanced to me. But yeah, in my defence I dont train flavor of the month. Seen that sort of play style get nerfed over and over again.
Rostran Targo Minmatar Kinda'Shujaa	Posted - 2008.08.11 16:50:00 - [165] Confirming that I am not canceling my 2 accounts due to the speed nerf. Hey look! It's a signature! http://desusig.crumplecorn.com/sigs.html
Sarin Adler Caldari Saturn Ammo	Posted - 2008.08.11 17:00:00 - [166] Originally by: Prez21 Originally by: CCP Prism X Little do you know that I'm actually CCP Atropos' alt. My take on the changes: Eve has always been a harsh MMO to play. These changes are harsh for a certain specialized style of play. Is that wrong? No. It's getting a bit harsh for empire suicide and nanoboats (harsh <> impossible, impossble is the stuff we put on your cereal). Don't keep your eggs in a single basket and adapting will be easier. Nerfs come and go. Don't expect to never be affected by one. Batman has contingencies, why don't you? Emo Rant Ok, tired of all forum tears and whines... why don't you go and design your own game and run your company how best sweats and wait until some customer goes and says how the game is supposed to be etc... It's easy people, if you don't like how the game is or is becoming you pack your things, give your stuff to all that people that is asking and leave. Whiners everyplace telling others how the game is or must be or how it's supposed to be players... STFU.
Somealt Ofmine	Posted - 2008.08.11 17:03:00 - [167] If you train for something that looks like "god mode" you are only showing your nubbiness by crying that it got nerfed about the time you got there. Maxed out Vagas were pretty much "god mode". About the best someone could do against you was make you run away, but you always had the option to run away unless you screwed up. Here's a clue: When you see something like that in game, don't train for it, laugh at the people who are. CCP has been pretty consistant about not allowing "god mode" setups. As soon as a wise-guy figures one out and the word gets out and it becomes the FOTM, it gets whacked. Their vision for the game is and always has been that it comes down to player skill and setups. It's like the old adage in boxing that "styles make fights". As the devs said, when they see one style to rule them all, they're gonna whack it. Same with suicide ganking, it had become "god mode" too. Do your arithmatic right and there was no way to lose. You just had to be willing and lazy enough to camp some empire gate waiting for a juicy target. Take home the take home lesson from this. FOTM is called FOTM for a reason. It doesn't last. The other take-home lesson is that what you ought to be working on for PvP is good across the board support skills for the kind(s) of ships you fly, and work on your (you, not your character) skills. Just put the idea that spending billions on a wtfpwnmobile is going to make you godly. It won't, and if it does, it won't last very long.
RuleoftheBone Minmatar Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2008.08.11 17:21:00 - [168] Originally by: Steve Hawkings Originally by: RuleoftheBone Originally by: CCP Taera Originally by: CCP Atropos Edited by: CCP Atropos on 10/08/2008 22:03:27 Me, I'm quitting. I was like, "no wai dude" and they were like "uhuh" so I said "NO WAI" and they said "uhuh". I said "DO NOT WANT!" and now me and my 3.14159 accounts are quitting! To anyone who thinks this is real: le sigh. Edit: Also, the changes are still under revision, I just figured we needed some light hearted fun May I have your stuff? Oh goody....another smart-alec "community manager/dev" post . Are you folks alts with certain members of the CSM to be this good at avoiding commenting on the zillions of feedback pages regarding upcoming and proposed changes to the game? Not that you may care or if it makes one iota of difference-but the lack of CCP response to the above issues beyond "hahalol" comments in random threads will cause me to re-examine how I pay my sub (changing from direct cc billing to ISK-for-GTC) in the near future. People whining isnt feedback though Hi Mr Caldari alt. CCP employees can chuckle and make light of things. It's thier game to make-or break. But doing so while at the same time not bothering to respond to the informative posts by intelligent and experienced players in the game development area not to mention a certain elegant and simple alternative proposal put forward by Sarmaul is disappointing. Same goes for letting the joke known as the CSM become remotely involved in game design issues (or think they are). I happen to be a single account player. Minmatar specialized and have been since starting the game (with a recent branch into Amarr as cap warfare is a fun alternative). I'm sure the loss of my crappy 15 euro cc subscription won't matter in the slightest if I choose to protest CCP's current dev attitude by simply swapping ISK for GTC to play for "free". I'm sure CCP will quickly make up the crappy 15 euros/month in spades by attracting less "hardcore" (I hate that term but it's the best I can come up with) or casual players. A lot will depend on what final changes are implemented on TQ. But in my view CCP is defeinitely moving away from a "cold harsh universe" to something along the lines of mass market appeal and "free-testbed-for-EmoVampires-Online-lolambulation". Good marketing decision from a business standpoint--bummer and tough *** for those who prefer more "hardcore" entertainment. "Lead Me..Follow Me..Or get the ** out of my way" General George Patton USA
Nidda Coldbrew	Posted - 2008.08.11 17:55:00 - [169] Originally by: RuleoftheBone I'm sure the loss of my crappy 15 euro cc subscription won't matter in the slightest if I choose to protest CCP's current dev attitude by simply swapping ISK for GTC to play for "free". Considering that by buying a GTC with isk all you are doing is having somebody else pay for your subscription in return for the isk you sold them I kinda doubt they are going to get worked up over your "protest" where they make exactly the same amount of money.
RuriHoshino Minmatar Stimulus	Posted - 2008.08.11 18:35:00 - [170] I'm torn, honestly. I want to be able to complain about the total lack of dev response to the feedback threads, but having read and even responded in a few of them, I can also understand how unappealing it must be to wade through those sewers of alt postings and uninformed trolls. A lot of Amarr players stuck with their ships until CCP got around to bringing them up to spec, and now they again have some of the strongest PVP ships in the game. Minmatar haven't been "overpowered" since the HP buff, but we've been competitive because no matter what our ship's other schizophrenic tendencies we've been able to compensate by simply being faster than the other guy. If we weren't such a mess in all other respects this speed nerf might not hurt so bad, but obliterating Interceptors alltogether, removing speed tanking as a feasible alternative to lolactive shield tanking, and making our already sub-par battleships I can't stop putting this in italics because it infuriates me every time I think of it HEAVIER than the Caldari equivalents - all of it feels like a giant shaft to a race that was difficult to train for and play to begin with. And I don't know that I feel like waiting a couple of years before those skillpoints become useful again. I've cross-trained Caldari so my character will survive. But like a lot of others, it worries me when CCP makes grandiose claims about listening to their community and getting players involved in making changes to they game they pay to play, and then introduce sweeping changes that only the brain damaged thought were necessary. The same people who are shouting "adapt or die" when reasonable people raise reasonable objections to the proposed nerf are the ones who couldn't manage to adapt to nano ships in the first place, despite the well documented and proven counters that already existed. Such an obvious victory for these whiners, combined with the utter silence from game design developers, really dampens my hopes for the future of this game. More than the proposed changes themselves, more than the hopeless idiocy of a large portion of the player base, CCPs attitude regarding these changes is what actually has me considering setting BS 5 to train and dropping my sub. If this is the kind of development my money is supporting, then I'd rather not encourage it. And a preemptive for whoever asks for my stuff. F'koff. Support a Real, Reasonable Change to Speed
RuleoftheBone Minmatar Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2008.08.11 18:41:00 - [171] Originally by: Nidda Coldbrew Originally by: RuleoftheBone I'm sure the loss of my crappy 15 euro cc subscription won't matter in the slightest if I choose to protest CCP's current dev attitude by simply swapping ISK for GTC to play for "free". Considering that by buying a GTC with isk all you are doing is having somebody else pay for your subscription in return for the isk you sold them I kinda doubt they are going to get worked up over your "protest" where they make exactly the same amount of money. Of course CCP won't get worked up over a lousy 15 euros. Having said that-"money talks and bullshit walks". I am sure I am not the only player contemplating a similar change of payment options (which is a shame as I do prefer to support dev work directly...as do others). But hey...I'm a minority in this instance. And minorities tend to get lost in the larger bleating "carebear" (another shit term) majority. And they definitely get lost when CCP marketing is possibly looking at where future customers are coming from. "Lead Me..Follow Me..Or get the **** out of my way" General George Patton USA
LuthienTinuviel The Higher Standard	Posted - 2008.08.11 19:48:00 - [172] Ironically if anything as a Amarr pilot I get a little bit of a buff with the proposed changes however I am still thinking of quiting for the simple fact that I am sick to the back teeth of the lack of ability CCP show when they are going about "balancing" the game. CCP need to learn the ability to be refined in the balancing of the game rather than the Cave Man "ugh me bash" attitude that the have. So there you go a non nano pilot (I have one nano ship my Sacriledge) who is thinking of leaving because of this patch... Irony no? CCP Atropos > sigh it's simple really when it becomes the de facto method for fighting it needs ot be nerfed simple as really - WTF? l
Blitz'Krieg Caldari Demon Theory UNLeashed Legion	Posted - 2008.08.11 19:50:00 - [173] Originally by: Prez21 Originally by: CCP Prism X Little do you know that I'm actually CCP Atropos' alt. My take on the changes: Eve has always been a harsh MMO to play. These changes are harsh for a certain specialized style of play. Is that wrong? No. It's getting a bit harsh for empire suicide and nanoboats (harsh <> impossible, impossble is the stuff we put on your cereal). Don't keep your eggs in a single basket and adapting will be easier. Nerfs come and go. Don't expect to never be affected by one. Batman has contingencies, why don't you? I actualy thought you was one of the few devs who actualy new what eve was realy about, how wrong was i. What a stupid comment youve just made, your saying EVE is still a harsh place because CCP are being harsh towards the pvpers and making it easier for the carebears, i dont think you quite understand what the player base means when we say EVE is meant to be a dark, cold and harsh place. I understand you want to attract more subscriptions and you guys have decided to make it easier for new players and to be honest you dont give a **** about the people that have been player 3+ years because all CCP cares about at the minute is money, and you cant realy blame them, but it would be nice of you guys to just admit that a carebear verssion of eve like the one you are trying to make attracts more customers and makes you more money and thats why you constantly in recent years cave in to the carebear whines. Your tears are delicious and your stuff .. i can has it?
Judge Ment Out of Order Vanguard.	Posted - 2008.08.11 20:02:00 - [174] Edited by: Judge Ment on 11/08/2008 21:01:47 Originally by: Sprobe na I don't, Eve is an evolving game. But I'd understand if people are thinking about leaving, if you are highly affected by sudden nerf bats hitting you. I'd join with everyone who would cancel their account to keep from CCP from Nerfing MWD.. or any other mod again. Lets face it if the designer can't come up with a better alternative then the nerf bat. Then why spend my hard earn money? You think your boss would keep you around if you couldn't handle the job! I THINK NOT Originally by: LuthienTinuviel Ironically if anything as a Amarr pilot I get a little bit of a buff with the proposed changes however I am still thinking of quiting for the simple fact that I am sick to the back teeth of the lack of ability CCP show when they are going about "balancing" the game. CCP need to learn the ability to be refined in the balancing of the game rather than the Cave Man "ugh me bash" attitude that the have. So there you go a non nano pilot (I have one nano ship my Sacriledge) who is thinking of leaving because of this patch... Irony no? mhmm good stuff I love the last few threads.. BUT THIS ONE CAUGHT MY EYE =) kinda reminds me why I left Turbine and Blizzard CCP need to learn the ability to be refined in the balancing of the game rather than the Cave Man "ugh me bash" attitude that they have. Originally by: RuriHoshino I'm torn, honestly. I want to be able to complain about the total lack of dev response to the feedback threads, but having read and even responded in a few of them, I can also understand how unappealing it must be to wade through those sewers of alt postings and uninformed trolls. Im sure they said Meh after this post! Originally by: RuriHoshino A lot of Amarr players stuck with their ships until CCP got around to bringing them up to spec, and now they again have some of the strongest PVP ships in the game. Minmatar haven't been "overpowered" since the HP buff, but we've been competitive because no matter what our ship's other schizophrenic tendencies we've been able to compensate by simply being faster than the other guy. If we weren't such a mess in all other respects this speed nerf might not hurt so bad, but obliterating Interceptors alltogether, removing speed tanking as a feasible alternative to lolactive shield tanking, and making our already sub-par battleships I can't stop putting this in italics because it infuriates me every time I think of it HEAVIER than the Caldari equivalents - all of it feels like a giant shaft to a race that was difficult to train for and play to begin with. And I don't know that I feel like waiting a couple of years before those skillpoints become useful again. I think Minmatar is facing the same sort of shit! Originally by: RuriHoshino I've cross-trained Caldari so my character will survive. But like a lot of others, it worries me when CCP makes grandiose claims about listening to their community and getting players involved in making changes to they game they pay to play, and then introduce sweeping changes that only the brain damaged thought were necessary. The same people who are shouting "adapt or die" when reasonable people raise reasonable objections to the proposed nerf are the ones who couldn't manage to adapt to nano ships in the first place, despite the well documented and proven counters that already existed. Sometime I believe CCP doesn't want people to Cross Train. Let a loan have a Caldari Player in Gallente, Minmatar or Amarr Space. LOL Conspiracy theory Originally by: RuriHoshino And a preemptive for whoever asks for my stuff. F'koff. Awesome Attitude
Malcanis We are Legend eXceed.	Posted - 2008.08.11 21:12:00 - [175] TBH I'm really baffled by the rationale for making Minmatar ships heavier than Caldari. That's just... spiteful. CONCORD provide consequences, not safety; only you can do that.
Dorah Hawkwing Armada.	Posted - 2008.08.11 21:16:00 - [176] I'll stay put. Finally buffer or active tanking becomes an option again. The whole I go so fast i'm untouchable and if still scratched I'm up up and away at ridiculous speeds game play style never apealed to me. I stuck with my tanked ships, and lo.. back we are. And honestly, suicide ganking needed a higher investment cost compared to payout. All the gankbears whining sure shows how much they gotten used to the buy, fit, kill, profit without risk playstyle they have become. Sure you can still suicide gank.. but you will ahve to pay your full ship costs. At least you safe the insurance 30% investment now. Now come out and play with the real PvPers.. those who go head a head, last one standing walks away. We wait, and we know our ships.
Natalia Kovac Minmatar Phoenix Tribe Valhalla Alliance	Posted - 2008.08.11 21:17:00 - [177] I would quit, but my 6 months sub went through like a week before the devblog. So I guess i'll just sit around and train for an apoc once it hits :(
Cruel Crow	Posted - 2008.08.11 23:33:00 - [178] Originally by: Malcanis TBH I'm really baffled by the rationale for making Minmatar ships heavier than Caldari. That's just... spiteful. TBH Im just utterly Baffled myself
Tortun Nahme Minmatar Umbra Synergy Final Retribution Alliance	Posted - 2008.08.11 23:42:00 - [179] CCP:: 1400mm nerf bat strikes perfectly, wrecking for over 9000 forum whine lulz Originally by: Cecil Montague They should change that warning on entering low sec to: "Go read Crime and Punishment for a few days then come back."
Jaabaa Prime Minmatar Quam Singulari	Posted - 2008.08.11 23:44:00 - [180] Originally by: Judge Ment Edited by: Judge Ment on 10/08/2008 21:53:16 After playing for awhile; and being with EVE. Training my skills. IM just wondering how many are thinking of leaving EVE? No you cant have my stuff! I Might pack up untill CCP finds a better solution then NERFING everything Im training Just another Whine (later) If that was the case I would have left 4 1/2 years ago .... so you pack up and we'll keep on playing. --

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