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AleRiperKilt
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Posted - 2008.08.11 18:20:00 -
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Can anybody please explain how the cloaked speed of a stealth bomber should be calculated?
According to item database Nemesis has "25% bonus to cloaked velocity per level", so if I fit an Improved Cloak, with Covert Ops at 1 I should fly (246 - 75%) + 25% = 76.8 and that is what I get.
Now with Covops at 3 you should get: (246-75%) + 25% + 25% + 25% = 120 but my buddy is flying at 230... wtf?
I have tried all different kind of permutations and I just cannot come up with that 230 figure, any ideas?
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Phaige
Minmatar Reaver Construction Services
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Posted - 2008.08.11 18:21:00 -
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ship spec bonus? -----------------------------------------------
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Zhenga
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Posted - 2008.08.11 18:26:00 -
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try 125%, NOT 25%
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AleRiperKilt
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Posted - 2008.08.11 18:31:00 -
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Originally by: Zhenga try 125%, NOT 25%
Let's see: Improved cloak speed penalty is 75% and my Nemesis' max speed is 246 so without any bonus I should fly at 61.5
Me (Covops 1): 61.5 + 125% = 138.4 (nope, I fly at 78) Buddy (covops 3): 61.5 + 125% + 125% + 125% = 700.5 (he flies at 230)
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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2008.08.11 18:36:00 -
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Cloaked speed for Nemesis, Improved Cloaking Device II, L5 Navigation (base non-cloaked speed 256 m/s). Covops level... 1 -> 80 m/s 2 -> 160 m/s 3 -> 240 m/s 4 -> 320 m/s 5 -> 400 m/s
same, but Prototype Cloaking Device I Covops level... 1 -> 32 m/s 2 -> 64 m/s 3 -> 96 m/s 4 -> 128 m/s 5 -> 160 m/s
...see a pattern ?
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AleRiperKilt
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Posted - 2008.08.11 18:40:00 -
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Originally by: Akita T Cloaked speed for Nemesis, Improved Cloaking Device II, L5 Navigation (base non-cloaked speed 256 m/s). Covops level... 1 -> 80 m/s 2 -> 160 m/s 3 -> 240 m/s 4 -> 320 m/s 5 -> 400 m/s
Ok, but what is the formula that matches the bonus specs to these speeds? --- "There is no lag in Jita, NEVER!" - Iraqi Information Minister |
Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2008.08.11 18:46:00 -
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Edited by: Akita T on 11/08/2008 18:47:55
Well... 32 = 256 * 0.1 (i.e. -90%) * 1.25 80 = 256 * 0.25 (i.e. -75%) * 1.25 ...and each additional level you just multiply that by level
P.S. In other words, *1.25*level to cloaked speed... nicely listed as "+25% per level"
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Dirk Magnum
Spearhead Endeavors
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Posted - 2008.08.11 18:57:00 -
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Edited by: Dirk Magnum on 11/08/2008 18:57:24 To sum things up: to actually go faster cloaked than uncloaked you need to use the Improved Cloak II. You have to sacrifice EWar or a BCU to make it fit, generally speaking. Of course if you use a bomber in a gang you shouldn't have any EWar fitted anyway.
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AleRiperKilt
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Posted - 2008.08.11 19:52:00 -
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Originally by: Akita T Edited by: Akita T on 11/08/2008 18:47:55
Well... 32 = 256 * 0.1 (i.e. -90%) * 1.25 80 = 256 * 0.25 (i.e. -75%) * 1.25 ...and each additional level you just multiply that by level
P.S. In other words, *1.25*level to cloaked speed... nicely listed as "+25% per level"
Ok, this formula seems to work:
Cloaked Speed = Max Speed * Penalty factor * 1.25 * covops level
So is it me or the way it is specified is kinda confusing? --- "There is no lag in Jita, NEVER!" - Iraqi Information Minister |
sg3s
Battlestars GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.08.11 20:26:00 -
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you guys seem to forget that eve is all just a really big bunch of numbers nicely put together, in the end it will not know how to handle percentages.
You need to convert the percentages to number and multiply with them so for 125% bonus = +1.25. But since you guys got it right I won't bother explaining more.
Originally by: Tarminic Because even when EVE sucks, it sucks less than every other MMO out there.
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nutbar
Caldari Flair Inc.
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Posted - 2008.08.11 20:28:00 -
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Originally by: AleRiperKilt
Ok, this formula seems to work:
Cloaked Speed = Max Speed * Penalty factor * 1.25 * covops level
You realize that is *exactly* what you stated in the OP? 25% is a multiplication factor of 1.25. 100% of something is n times 1. 125% of something is n times 1.25.
max speed * penalty (0.75, aka 75% penalty) * 1.25 (aka 25% bonus) * covops level is the same as (max speed * penalty (aka "minus 75%", aka "* 0.75")) + 25% (aka "* 1.25") ...
Stay in school; pay attention in math class.
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sg3s
Battlestars GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.08.11 20:31:00 -
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Edited by: sg3s on 11/08/2008 20:31:15 nevermind, I'm dumb
Originally by: Tarminic Because even when EVE sucks, it sucks less than every other MMO out there.
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Hana Lena
Gallente Federal Defence Union
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Posted - 2008.08.11 20:37:00 -
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Math 1
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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2008.08.11 20:55:00 -
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Originally by: Hana Lena Math 1 Every body else 0
Not really... if you use "normal" EVE-logic, you'd expect * (1 + 0.25*level) to speed boost. What you get however is +25% ROLE bonus THEN a +100% per level past level 1 (like you get with the warfare links). Nobody would be expecting *1.25*level "normally" with that wording, considering how all other things in EVE work.
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Grim Mercy
Tribal Liberation Force
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Posted - 2008.08.11 22:01:00 -
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EFT.
Flame away.
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