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c4 t
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Posted - 2008.08.11 21:19:00 -
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The ship: Armageddon(5 mega pulses 1x tractor beam 1x salvager 1x cloak)
The method: use scouting alt to ascertain when a brief lapse in 0.0 border region gate camping has occurred; then try to slip by quietly like cat sneaking by sleeping dog.
The result: me ratting away on 1.8m battle ships and safe spot cloaking when anybody enters the system. Will also have anchored a data canister(100m3 one) to deposit salvage in. Will retrieve can with alt in nanoed executioner when full. Will also retrieve faction loot via nano executioner.
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Chribba
Otherworld Enterprises Otherworld Empire
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Posted - 2008.08.11 21:20:00 -
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It lacks Veldspar!
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Lord Haur
Amarr Imperial Academy
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Posted - 2008.08.11 21:22:00 -
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The Flaw: Telling people.
The Counter: Go Locators! As soon as someone works out where you are doing this, you can expect to be shot on sight, and camped heavily as much as possible.
At least you appear to have used an alt to post. --- Sig Starts Here --- Lord Haur - Imperial Academy Logistical Support
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c4 t
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Posted - 2008.08.11 21:24:00 -
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Originally by: Lord Haur The Flaw: Telling people.
The Counter: Go Locators! As soon as someone works out where you are doing this, you can expect to be shot on sight, and camped heavily as much as possible.
At least you appear to have used an alt to post.
yes of course. ive already talked about it with some people and they say its unlikely ill get past the border camps. we'll see though. i dont even care if people know who my main is, it wont matter, thats what the cloak is for. ____________________________________________________________________ mostly harmless |
soldieroffortune 258
Gallente Federal Defence Union
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Posted - 2008.08.11 21:26:00 -
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Edited by: soldieroffortune 258 on 11/08/2008 21:26:44
Originally by: c4 t
Originally by: Lord Haur The Flaw: Telling people.
The Counter: Go Locators! As soon as someone works out where you are doing this, you can expect to be shot on sight, and camped heavily as much as possible.
At least you appear to have used an alt to post.
yes of course. ive already talked about it with some people and they say its unlikely ill get past the border camps. we'll see though. i dont even care if people know who my main is, it wont matter, thats what the cloak is for.
eh, do it on a weeked right after downtime, theres no way they could setup a camp in the exact same system your going to jump into 15 minutes after downtime
unless whoever's alliance your "invading" ***** these forums looking for people who say they are going to live in 00 space
EDIT: and if they do, they are paranoid sob's, and you probably shouldnt
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Locke DieDrake
Human Information Virus
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Posted - 2008.08.11 21:29:00 -
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I love people with these grand plans to ninja into 0.0 and make a fortune ratting.
Surprise... you're gonna die. Over and over again.
When I was in IRON, any hostile reported in the region would have 2 or three squads after them in short order. One day, they will catch you. ______________________________________________ Goon FC(08/12/06):"its a trap" "that thing is fully operational" |
Grim Mercy
Tribal Liberation Force
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Posted - 2008.08.11 21:57:00 -
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Fountain is the place to do this. Easy access to NPC stations, and lots and lots of empty space. Look for the SoT sov... in the 6 months I spent in Fountain, I never saw any SoT pilots in "their" space during/after US prime time.
Oh yeah, watch out for PL, and some SoT around the NPC stations.
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Sani Ka
THE INTERNET.
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Posted - 2008.08.11 21:59:00 -
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CONGRATULATIONS YOU HAVE UNCOVERED THE SUPER SECRET ISK FARMER RECIPE FOR SUCCESS
do you really think you are the first person to have thought of ninja ratting?
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c4 t
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Posted - 2008.08.11 22:00:00 -
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Originally by: Locke DieDrake I love people with these grand plans to ninja into 0.0 and make a fortune ratting.
Surprise... you're gonna die. Over and over again.
When I was in IRON, any hostile reported in the region would have 2 or three squads after them in short order. One day, they will catch you.
i just love surprises =)
and yes i know im the first one to think of this. ____________________________________________________________________ mostly harmless |
Hieronimus Rex
Minmatar Infinitus Sapientia New Eden Research
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Posted - 2008.08.11 22:04:00 -
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Originally by: Lord Haur The Flaw: Telling people.
The Counter: Go Locators! As soon as someone works out where you are doing this, you can expect to be shot on sight, and camped heavily as much as possible.
At least you appear to have used an alt to post.
Oh, so they're going to camp him where? In his cloaked safespot, which they just happened to warp to and know the location of?
Originally by: Lord Haur The Flaw: Telling people.
The Counter: Go Locators! As soon as someone works out where you are doing this, you can expect to be shot on sight, and camped heavily as much as possible.
At least you appear to have used an alt to post.
If he's aligned to warp constantly and kills all scram frigs quickly he can be in his safespot before the guys with scan probes even have a chance.
Tworst case would be for them to enter the system while he's en route to another asteroid belt. In this case they might get him, but he could be super safe by ratting at 100km (and warping in at 100km) in which case they probably wouldn't.
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sableye
principle of motion Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2008.08.11 22:04:00 -
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farmers do the exact same thing and they are hard to catch and tend to be stupid so with a bit of common sense and channel watching skills you will never get caught as long as you don't take chances.
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Dirk Magnum
Spearhead Endeavors
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Posted - 2008.08.11 22:06:00 -
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Edited by: Dirk Magnum on 11/08/2008 22:06:09 Meh. I ninja rat the crap out of nullsec belts fairly frequently, and I don't have a scout alt (or any alt.)
The plan is fine, OP, although I'd recommend a more disposable ship. Prophecy should be able to tank nullsec spawns just fine, and if you get killed you're only out of a third as much ISK (not counting whatever you've got in the cargo hold of course.)
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c4 t
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Posted - 2008.08.11 22:42:00 -
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if somebody enters a system is 10 seconds enough to get away to safe spot? with the mwd trick thats how long it takes for my battle ship to hit warp. it was my understanding that scan probes take at least 30 seconds to scan somebody out, and i dont know how many people can know my position for certain in 10 seconds using the directional scanner. i wouldnt be hurt to stand corrected though plz i need information. ____________________________________________________________________ mostly harmless |
Artemis Rose
Odd End of the Universe
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Posted - 2008.08.11 22:44:00 -
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You are the scariest man in EVE now, you have a cloak fitted and you aren't blue to the residents.
Enjoy it.
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Vaal Erit
Science and Trade Institute
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Posted - 2008.08.11 22:48:00 -
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Originally by: Sani Ka CONGRATULATIONS YOU HAVE UNCOVERED THE SUPER SECRET ISK FARMER RECIPE FOR SUCCESS
do you really think you are the first person to have thought of ninja ratting?
This. I also find it amusing that you think you will find triple 1.8M spawns easily in 0.0. They are few and far between and most of the good systems are being used. --
http://desusig.crumplecorn.com/sigs.html
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Billy Sastard
Amarr Life. Universe. Everything.
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Posted - 2008.08.11 22:53:00 -
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Originally by: Sani Ka CONGRATULATIONS YOU HAVE UNCOVERED THE SUPER SECRET ISK FARMER RECIPE FOR SUCCESS
do you really think you are the first person to have thought of ninja ratting?
The only thing he is missing is the macro to rat for him...
Hundreds of ISK farmers do this every day, nothing new here at all. -=^=-
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Jaabaa Prime
Minmatar Quam Singulari
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Posted - 2008.08.11 22:57:00 -
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Originally by: Chribba It lacks Veldspar!
God spoke on channel, and he said the V word. That should be enough for use mere mortals --
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Gojyu
Ever Flow HUZZAH FEDERATION
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Posted - 2008.08.11 23:01:00 -
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Quote: Evaluate plan! Go!
- For this to work you'd need a system with a decent true sec - Almost all decent true sec systems are heavily used Therefore, you will have to be content with pretty shitty spawns
- You say you'll cloak up when a hostile enters space, if an alliance puts a noob alt in the system for a few hours straight you have two choices - Stay cloaked- That's a few hours without ratting - Go back to ratting. In this case, you'll be scanned down and it's entirely possible that an enemy can get an interceptor into system and into your belt to tackle you before you align for a safespot
Thus, in closing, you'd make a crapload more isk doing level 4's for a lot lower risk
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Gimpb
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Posted - 2008.08.11 23:06:00 -
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If you want to solo rat in 0.0, you can do it... you can even do it relatively safely. But it's not really worth the hastle if all you're doing it for is isk.
However, do note that you probably won't have your fill of 1.8s. Locations with low true sec and lots of belts will probably be popular ratting spots for the locals.
You could take the more straight-forward route and just join a 0.0 corp. They'll probably want you to go shoot stuff with them, but meaningful pvp is the best thing about eve (at least imo).
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Khlitouris RegusII
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Posted - 2008.08.11 23:17:00 -
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Originally by: c4 t
Originally by: Lord Haur The Flaw: Telling people.
The Counter: Go Locators! As soon as someone works out where you are doing this, you can expect to be shot on sight, and camped heavily as much as possible.
At least you appear to have used an alt to post.
yes of course. ive already talked about it with some people and they say its unlikely ill get past the border camps. we'll see though. i dont even care if people know who my main is, it wont matter, thats what the cloak is for.
really depends on where your trying to enter but in all honesty its easy as hell getting into 0.0.
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c4 t
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Posted - 2008.08.11 23:37:00 -
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Originally by: Gimpb If you want to solo rat in 0.0, you can do it... you can even do it relatively safely. But it's not really worth the hastle if all you're doing it for is isk.
However, do note that you probably won't have your fill of 1.8s. Locations with low true sec and lots of belts will probably be popular ratting spots for the locals.
You could take the more straight-forward route and just join a 0.0 corp. They'll probably want you to go shoot stuff with them, but meaningful pvp is the best thing about eve (at least imo).
do you think it would be difficult to find 1.8m spawns in outer rim systems too? is it rare to find a system in outer rim regions that have the truesec capable of spawning 1.8m rats? ____________________________________________________________________ mostly harmless |
Grarr Dexx
Amarr Avenging United
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Posted - 2008.08.11 23:46:00 -
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I think your plan failed somewhere near 'they will sure leave me alone in my system'.
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Tiirae
The New Era HUZZAH FEDERATION
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Posted - 2008.08.12 00:00:00 -
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People who think all the good ratting systems are already busy are not paying attention. There a dozens of systems that are -0.8 or lower and see practically zero traffic.
Point in case, 3-BADZ. -0.95, good number of belts, barely any traffic at all. A while ago I was ninja-ing there for a few days and managed to get 4 or 5 chains of triple 1.8m BS with very little effort. I don't loot or salvage, that just leads to trouble.
Nano Ishtar is absolutely awesome for doing this, I don't even bother with a cloak. If anyone starts pursuing me seriously I just log off, e-honor be damned.
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c4 t
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Posted - 2008.08.12 00:12:00 -
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Originally by: Tiirae People who think all the good ratting systems are already busy are not paying attention. There a dozens of systems that are -0.8 or lower and see practically zero traffic.
Point in case, 3-BADZ. -0.95, good number of belts, barely any traffic at all. A while ago I was ninja-ing there for a few days and managed to get 4 or 5 chains of triple 1.8m BS with very little effort. I don't loot or salvage, that just leads to trouble.
Nano Ishtar is absolutely awesome for doing this, I don't even bother with a cloak. If anyone starts pursuing me seriously I just log off, e-honor be damned.
whats the lowest truesec required to spawn 1.8m with mild ease, -0.6048 isnt low enough is it?
can you also explain why salvaging leads to trouble? does it make you more vulnerable? as it is now im usually salvaging with a beam on so i salvage already aligned.
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Tiirae
The New Era HUZZAH FEDERATION
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Posted - 2008.08.12 00:49:00 -
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Originally by: c4 t
Originally by: Tiirae People who think all the good ratting systems are already busy are not paying attention. There a dozens of systems that are -0.8 or lower and see practically zero traffic.
Point in case, 3-BADZ. -0.95, good number of belts, barely any traffic at all. A while ago I was ninja-ing there for a few days and managed to get 4 or 5 chains of triple 1.8m BS with very little effort. I don't loot or salvage, that just leads to trouble.
Nano Ishtar is absolutely awesome for doing this, I don't even bother with a cloak. If anyone starts pursuing me seriously I just log off, e-honor be damned.
whats the lowest truesec required to spawn 1.8m with mild ease, -0.6048 isnt low enough is it?
can you also explain why salvaging leads to trouble? does it make you more vulnerable? as it is now im usually salvaging with a beam on so i salvage already aligned.
-0.6 is still better than the vast majority of nullsec.
I don't loot or salvage because it results in you needing to run the gauntlet back to high sec when your hold is full. Sooner or later you will die and the loss will eat into your profitability.
Once you managed to 'let go' of the isk and just take the bounties, you will earn more with less risk. Mind you, I'm doing this on an alt so I can log off and play on my main when I get bored.
This is the other reason why the ishtar is so good, drones don't need ammo.
It's probably worth noting that I'm in Australia so I get a headstart due to the lower population in general during my prime-time. But even in euro or US prime time there are dozens of very high quality systems that are completely deserted.
The regions that Goons/RA were given when bob retreated last year are still severely under-populated.
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c4 t
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Posted - 2008.08.12 02:06:00 -
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Originally by: Tiirae
Originally by: c4 t
Originally by: Tiirae People who think all the good ratting systems are already busy are not paying attention. There a dozens of systems that are -0.8 or lower and see practically zero traffic.
Point in case, 3-BADZ. -0.95, good number of belts, barely any traffic at all. A while ago I was ninja-ing there for a few days and managed to get 4 or 5 chains of triple 1.8m BS with very little effort. I don't loot or salvage, that just leads to trouble.
Nano Ishtar is absolutely awesome for doing this, I don't even bother with a cloak. If anyone starts pursuing me seriously I just log off, e-honor be damned.
whats the lowest truesec required to spawn 1.8m with mild ease, -0.6048 isnt low enough is it?
can you also explain why salvaging leads to trouble? does it make you more vulnerable? as it is now im usually salvaging with a beam on so i salvage already aligned.
-0.6 is still better than the vast majority of nullsec.
I don't loot or salvage because it results in you needing to run the gauntlet back to high sec when your hold is full. Sooner or later you will die and the loss will eat into your profitability.
Once you managed to 'let go' of the isk and just take the bounties, you will earn more with less risk. Mind you, I'm doing this on an alt so I can log off and play on my main when I get bored.
This is the other reason why the ishtar is so good, drones don't need ammo.
It's probably worth noting that I'm in Australia so I get a headstart due to the lower population in general during my prime-time. But even in euro or US prime time there are dozens of very high quality systems that are completely deserted.
The regions that Goons/RA were given when bob retreated last year are still severely under-populated.
aye i was thinking of doing this with a geddon because it uses lasers hence no need for ammo. as for salvaging and looting, i THINK ill try to get an alt to run the gauntlet to me and back, with an alt from the main character scouting ahead of that one. ____________________________________________________________________ mostly harmless |
Jimer Lins
Gallente Federation Fleet
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Posted - 2008.08.12 02:10:00 -
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Originally by: c4 t if somebody enters a system is 10 seconds enough to get away to safe spot? with the mwd trick thats how long it takes for my battle ship to hit warp. it was my understanding that scan probes take at least 30 seconds to scan somebody out, and i dont know how many people can know my position for certain in 10 seconds using the directional scanner. i wouldnt be hurt to stand corrected though plz i need information.
I can probe in 24 seconds. With scan-time implants, that drops a little further.
You can be probed out in warp, but that only tells the prober what your travel axis is, at best.
Directional scanner, however- is instant. ;)
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Gimpb
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Posted - 2008.08.12 02:23:00 -
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Originally by: c4 t
Originally by: Gimpb If you want to solo rat in 0.0, you can do it... you can even do it relatively safely. But it's not really worth the hastle if all you're doing it for is isk.
However, do note that you probably won't have your fill of 1.8s. Locations with low true sec and lots of belts will probably be popular ratting spots for the locals.
You could take the more straight-forward route and just join a 0.0 corp. They'll probably want you to go shoot stuff with them, but meaningful pvp is the best thing about eve (at least imo).
do you think it would be difficult to find 1.8m spawns in outer rim systems too? is it rare to find a system in outer rim regions that have the truesec capable of spawning 1.8m rats?
Honestly, I don't really know, the part of 0.0 I live in isn't really "deep". I also despise ratting so I don't pay much attention to rats. :(
Originally by: c4 t if somebody enters a system is 10 seconds enough to get away to safe spot? with the mwd trick thats how long it takes for my battle ship to hit warp. it was my understanding that scan probes take at least 30 seconds to scan somebody out, and i dont know how many people can know my position for certain in 10 seconds using the directional scanner. i wouldnt be hurt to stand corrected though plz i need information.
It would take a freak incident for you to get caught if you initiated warp within 10 seconds of a hostile entering the system, even if they knew exactly where you were.
There are two real risks that I've seen cost smart people ships while ratting: warp jamming rats and spacing out.
The little warp jamming frigs are fairly easy to kill but if things happen at just the wrong time... well, you get the idea.
Spacing out... well, ratting is borring, maybe you need a beer, maybe you need to hit the bathroom, maybe you're looking at corp chat for 5 seconds too long. This probably costs ratters more ships than anything.
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