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viaticae
Caldari Deep Core Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2008.08.14 12:02:00 -
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This is just further proof that CCP is now catering to, and promoting, care bears.
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Roshan longshot
Gallente Ordos Humanitas
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Posted - 2008.08.14 12:05:00 -
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I thought scamming was allowed???
Damn you CCP! Why did you have to make such a good game?? Yes you drew me back AGAIN! Oh well wheres the Omber? |

viaticae
Caldari Deep Core Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2008.08.14 12:06:00 -
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Originally by: Roshan longshot I thought scamming was allowed???
We is the new era of care bear. CCP has forsaken vets.
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Carniflex
Caldari StarHunt Fallout Project
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Posted - 2008.08.14 12:07:00 -
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Originally by: Roshan longshot I thought scamming was allowed???
Scamming is. Impersonating is not.
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Carniflex
Caldari StarHunt Fallout Project
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Posted - 2008.08.14 12:08:00 -
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Originally by: viaticae
Originally by: Roshan longshot I thought scamming was allowed???
We is the new era of care bear. CCP has forsaken vets.
Vet's are the original owners of their names usually Would you not think ? Afterall hinting that one is vet kinda generates assumtion that he/she has been playing for a long while.
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Zun Da
Garoun Investment Bank
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Posted - 2008.08.14 12:12:00 -
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Hahhaha
You made a character with almost the exact name of Chribba, copied his bio and made everything so that people would believe you are the 'real' Chribba so that they would trust you with their mothership trades? All against the rules of course.
And now CCP pwnd you and you come to the forums and whine about it? That is funny.
There can be only one CHRIBBA!!!
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5pinDizzy
Amarr Umpteenth Podding
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Posted - 2008.08.14 12:14:00 -
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Originally by: Angelic Orange
Originally by: GM Krymus To provide some clarification - impersonating another player, be it by creating a character with a similar character name as someone else or simply claiming you are the alt of someone (such as the 'I'm your CEO's alt' scam as described by F'nog), is not allowed.
Regards,
GM Krymus
If this is true the why are there so many Darth such and suches, so many Orion such and such so many Dark whatevers. I call bullshit on this GM Krymus and say that you are just throwing this out there to cover yourself or your GM buddies ass. How about you go into the database and change everyones name that isn't Nemesis, you know the ones that are n3mesis or nemes1s or neme5is or nemesi5 ..... BULLSHIT. I should make an alt name Penn& Teller to call out posts like this.
I had a think about it as to why it things would be as they are. That there would be no recompance in posts like 106 I posted etc... And I came up with...
To some part a GM's interpretation, a player may not...
-CREATE a char for the sole purpose of impersonation and using it for a scam.
I think it's like 1st and 2nd degree murder.
If it's premeditated and you abuse the disposable alt system then it's a nono, if you just happen to see a fitting victim pass by in local (like case in post 106) then it would appear that it's ok.
But then that leads on to what others have already put, then why is it ok to use disposable alts for all kinds of regular scamming?
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Wil Smithx
Minmatar Suns Of Korhal
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Posted - 2008.08.14 12:14:00 -
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Originally by: EVECitizen19821743 I spent quite a lot of time carefully reading the EULA before I carried out this operation.
The idea was that I would setup a fake mothership sale and use an ALT similar to CHRIBBA to steal the buyers money.
It worked. Now I had an idea that CCP would see it as a scam/exploit and take the ISK off me. Which they did.
They mailed me and explained that because I had impersonated CHRIBBA I had violated the EULA. The link that they gave me to help explain this is:
http://www.eve-online.com/pnp/namepolicy.asp
Now I have gone back and read the whole EULA and I cant see anywhere anything about setting up a character with a similar name and doing this is a violation.
Not really bothered about the ISK tbh, the thing that bothers me is that some players have far to much protection from CCP. It would have taken the buyer 10 seconds to check the person he was speaking to and realise that it was not 'the' CHRIBBA. There are thousands of scams/exploits that go on everyday why is this an exception??
I know the ALT that I setup to do the scam was similar to CHRIBBA, but, at no time during the transaction did I claim to be CHRIBBA or carry out secure transactions.
In my eyes if a player is stupid enough to give me the ISK for a mothership without doing the proper checks then he deserves to lose it, just like it would be in RL.
I'll leave you with some words of wisdom from CCP:
Tips
* DON'T TRUST ANYONE. It's a tough galaxy out there, and anyone could betray you. * Make sure that the person you are doing business with is who he says he is. EVE-Online has a unique naming policy, making it impossible for more than one player to have the same name. However, names may be very similar, and it is a good idea to be 100% certain that the party you are dealing with is the real thing. Also, never believe someone who says he is an alternate character of someone you know but doesn't offer any proper proof.
Thanks for your time,
EVECitizen19821743 formerly CHRI8BA
I think what you did was fine...
You gotta be pretty dumb not to check who you're dealing with carefully...
And after people used lag in jita to get away with the trade scams and CCP said that wasn't an exploit...
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Wild Rho
Amarr Silent Core
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Posted - 2008.08.14 12:15:00 -
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Originally by: Rhatar Khurin
Originally by: Wild Rho
Originally by: Rhatar Khurin So.. Does this now mean we should all go into the character search and start petitioning all names that are similar to each other? It's the only way to be fair and keep things unbiased.
Only if those characters have identical portraits, bios and/or one is claiming to be the other character. Now go get yourself a common sense implant.
It wasn't a serious comment. I'm sorry that text doesn't quite convey sarcasm well. Maybe i should have used more smilies?     
Smilies make everything better <3
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Gnulpie
Minmatar Miner Tech
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Posted - 2008.08.14 12:20:00 -
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Originally by: Skylar Keenan
First off; I can of course see why Chribba wouldn't want to be impersonated. If I had built the same reputation it'd **** me off too.
BUT apart from that I see no reason why this shouldn't be allowed.
Because it is in the EULA expressivly forbidden. You can also say that you cannot see any reason for not selling isk on ebay, not using macros etc. because all that is something what YOU want to do.
But it is not your game. You are not setting the rules. It is CCP who is setting the rules. If you cannot accept these rules, go elsewhere.
If they say, impersonating other chars (and it doesn't matter if they are famous or not) is forbidden, then it is the best (any only) reason why not to use such a method. If you don't care and violate the eula, you will have to live with the consequences.
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Steve Hawkings
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Posted - 2008.08.14 12:20:00 -
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Originally by: viaticae This is just further proof that CCP is now catering to, and promoting, care bears.
QFT
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Avon
Caldari Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2008.08.14 12:42:00 -
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Originally by: viaticae
Originally by: Roshan longshot I thought scamming was allowed???
We is the new era of care bear. CCP has forsaken vets.
This rule has always been in place. Wtf are you on about?
Eve-Online: The Text Adventure |

Victor Valka
Caldari Kissaki Corporation
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Posted - 2008.08.14 12:53:00 -
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Originally by: Avon
Originally by: viaticae
Originally by: Roshan longshot I thought scamming was allowed???
We is the new era of care bear. CCP has forsaken vets.
This rule has always been in place. Wtf are you on about?
Do yourself a favor and don't try to understand it.
I felt like an idiot while reading this thread because I couldn't for the life of me figure what everyone was on about.
Then I realized most are mentally handicapped trolls who don't have two brain-cells to rub together.
Originally by: Spaztick You are not outnumbered, you are in a target-rich environment.
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Asestorian
Sebiestor tribe
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Posted - 2008.08.14 13:00:00 -
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Reading this thread makes me cry. Sure, some of the stupid comments are trolls, but there is going to be at least one person (other than the OP) who really is that lacking in common sense 
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Quote: EVE is unfair by design.
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Concorduck
Gallente
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Posted - 2008.08.14 13:11:00 -
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scamming is allowed till you impersonate someone (be it "i'm alt of jesus" or by mistyping the name, like the op did).
thread was over 4 pages ago -----------------------------------------
Originally by: Crumplecorn Contact the CSM about it, voting themselves into disbandment wouldn't be pushing the boundaries of absurdity for them.
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Shevar
Minmatar A.W.M Libertas Fidelitas
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Posted - 2008.08.14 13:35:00 -
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Originally by: EVECitizen19821743 I spent quite a lot of time carefully reading the EULA before I carried out this operation.
The idea was that I would setup a fake mothership sale and use an ALT similar to CHRIBBA to steal the buyers money.
It worked. Now I had an idea that CCP would see it as a scam/exploit and take the ISK off me. Which they did.
They mailed me and explained that because I had impersonated CHRIBBA I had violated the EULA. The link that they gave me to help explain this is:
http://www.eve-online.com/pnp/namepolicy.asp
Now I have gone back and read the whole EULA and I cant see anywhere anything about setting up a character with a similar name and doing this is a violation.
Not really bothered about the ISK tbh, the thing that bothers me is that some players have far to much protection from CCP. It would have taken the buyer 10 seconds to check the person he was speaking to and realise that it was not 'the' CHRIBBA. There are thousands of scams/exploits that go on everyday why is this an exception??
I know the ALT that I setup to do the scam was similar to CHRIBBA, but, at no time during the transaction did I claim to be CHRIBBA or carry out secure transactions.
In my eyes if a player is stupid enough to give me the ISK for a mothership without doing the proper checks then he deserves to lose it, just like it would be in RL.
I'll leave you with some words of wisdom from CCP:
Tips
* DON'T TRUST ANYONE. It's a tough galaxy out there, and anyone could betray you. * Make sure that the person you are doing business with is who he says he is. EVE-Online has a unique naming policy, making it impossible for more than one player to have the same name. However, names may be very similar, and it is a good idea to be 100% certain that the party you are dealing with is the real thing. Also, never believe someone who says he is an alternate character of someone you know but doesn't offer any proper proof.
Thanks for your time,
EVECitizen19821743 formerly CHRI8BA
I didn't knew Chribba was either a NPC, a CCP employee or CCP representative?
* Impersonate or parody any employee or representative of EVE Online, CCP, Customer Support personnel or volunteers. * Impersonate or parody an NPC type from the EVE game world (i.e. CONCORD or other official NPC corporation or organization members) for the purpose of misleading other players. * Reflect, glorify or emulate any real-world group or organization, terrorist society, criminal elements, discriminating organizations or their leaders and figureheads. This includes the use of names of real-world military, political or religious groups. * Be obscene, vulgar, sexually explicit, offensive, hurtful, harmful, promote drugs, profane, anti-gay, and ethnically, racially or sexually offensive or impart any real-world hostility toward a specific nationality, race or religion.
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Shevar
Minmatar A.W.M Libertas Fidelitas
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Posted - 2008.08.14 13:37:00 -
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Originally by: Kazuo Ishiguro The GM decision is the correct one, and there's plenty of precedent for it - in particular, with people trying to impersonate EBANK or BIG Lottery staff.
In that case the rules should be adjusted since they currently don't have anything against impersonating a player. --- -The only real drug problem is scoring real good drugs |

Seeing EyeDog
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Posted - 2008.08.14 13:44:00 -
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Originally by: Akita T EULA, 2B "No player may use the character name of another player to impersonate or falsely represent his or her identity."
While this is a bit far-fetched, it falls a bit under "gray area", and... well... eh, nevermind.
This is easily the shittiest rule in the game. The rule says you cant impersonate ANYONE in game...but what it really should say, for clarification is "do not impersonate anyone who we think is an Eve-Celeb"...Regardless, no one should be held to a higher standard than the rest of this community. If someone falls for a scam involving a "fake" Chribba, thats no ones fault but the person who got scammed.
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Originally by: Locus Bey Intelligence isn't a prequisite for being a Goon, in fact its a deficit.
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Tortun Nahme
Minmatar Umbra Synergy Final Retribution Alliance
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Posted - 2008.08.14 14:06:00 -
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Identity Theft is a CRIME in the majority of the world, INCLUDING virtual identity in an increasing number of countries
Quote: I spent quite a lot of time carefully reading the EULA before I carried out this operation.
The idea was that I would setup a fake mothership sale and use an ALT similar to CHRIBBA to steal the buyers money
quoting the first two lines of the OP to point out it wasn't a "mistaken" case of identity theft, but in fact a calculated attempt
to those of you defending it...
Please scan me a copy of your drivers liscence, you won't mind that I ruin your credit, reputation, and possibly even get you put in prison.
Originally by: Cecil Montague They should change that warning on entering low sec to:
"Go read Crime and Punishment for a few days then come back."
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Ranger 1
Amarr Shiva Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2008.08.14 14:07:00 -
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CCP can interpret their rule set however they like.
CCP can rewrite their rule set whenever they like.
Problem?
Take it elsewhere.
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Carniflex
Caldari StarHunt Fallout Project
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Posted - 2008.08.14 14:09:00 -
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Originally by: Seeing EyeDog
Originally by: Akita T EULA, 2B "No player may use the character name of another player to impersonate or falsely represent his or her identity."
While this is a bit far-fetched, it falls a bit under "gray area", and... well... eh, nevermind.
This is easily the shittiest rule in the game. The rule says you cant impersonate ANYONE in game...but what it really should say, for clarification is "do not impersonate anyone who we think is an Eve-Celeb"...Regardless, no one should be held to a higher standard than the rest of this community. If someone falls for a scam involving a "fake" Chribba, thats no ones fault but the person who got scammed.
It says excatly what it reads. You indeed are not allowed to impersonate any EVE player for whatever reasons. Be it then picking similar portrait and char name (not to mention coping his char name and creating corp with similar name and logo) or even just claiming 'I'm sir molle's alt'. No matter if your target is celebrity or some regular nobody.
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Seeing EyeDog
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Posted - 2008.08.14 14:12:00 -
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Originally by: Carniflex
Originally by: Seeing EyeDog
Originally by: Akita T EULA, 2B "No player may use the character name of another player to impersonate or falsely represent his or her identity."
While this is a bit far-fetched, it falls a bit under "gray area", and... well... eh, nevermind.
This is easily the shittiest rule in the game. The rule says you cant impersonate ANYONE in game...but what it really should say, for clarification is "do not impersonate anyone who we think is an Eve-Celeb"...Regardless, no one should be held to a higher standard than the rest of this community. If someone falls for a scam involving a "fake" Chribba, thats no ones fault but the person who got scammed.
It says excatly what it reads. You indeed are not allowed to impersonate any EVE player for whatever reasons. Be it then picking similar portrait and char name (not to mention coping his char name and creating corp with similar name and logo) or even just claiming 'I'm sir molle's alt'. No matter if your target is celebrity or some regular nobody.
so then..why havent the 2023423832402334 variations of my mains name been banned yet?...again, if you're not an Eve-Celeb, you're not entitled to protection, end of story. _____________________
Originally by: Locus Bey Intelligence isn't a prequisite for being a Goon, in fact its a deficit.
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Seeing EyeDog
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Posted - 2008.08.14 14:15:00 -
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I also find it funny how people are bringing up mentions of peopel impersonating In-Game investment personalities. Howcome theres protection against losing your ISK to an imposter, but theres none whatsoever for losing your ISK to these outright scams of IPOs and "Banks"??
It's one or the other, CCP...make a decision, and apply it universally. _____________________
Originally by: Locus Bey Intelligence isn't a prequisite for being a Goon, in fact its a deficit.
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Carniflex
Caldari StarHunt Fallout Project
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Posted - 2008.08.14 14:31:00 -
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Originally by: Seeing EyeDog
so then..why havent the 2023423832402334 variations of my mains name been banned yet?...again, if you're not an Eve-Celeb, you're not entitled to protection, end of story.
Bcos you have not petitioned them ? Assuming you are 'the oldest' of all those variations you would not have problem getting some more 'citizen xxxxx' chars out there while keeping your own name. CCP yanks those chains only if anyone petitions the name.
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EBANK Ricdic
Eve-Tech Savings n Loans
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Posted - 2008.08.14 14:39:00 -
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Edited by: EBANK Ricdic on 14/08/2008 14:40:51
Originally by: Seeing EyeDog I also find it funny how people are bringing up mentions of peopel impersonating In-Game investment personalities. Howcome theres protection against losing your ISK to an imposter, but theres none whatsoever for losing your ISK to these outright scams of IPOs and "Banks"??
It's one or the other, CCP...make a decision, and apply it universally.
CCP has the same rules for everyone. If you believe someone is impersonating your character (not just some random joe with a similar name) then you should petition them.
There have probably been about 10 EBANK Ricdic characters created with differnt naming variations such as :
EBANK Ricdlc EBANK Ricdics EBANK Ric**** EBANK Riddic
In every single case I have petitioned and the character has had a forced name change imposed. My reasoning when petitioning is that the person is not only trying to impersonate my character however they are also using the Eve Online fonts to try and trick players into sending cash to the wrong player. Ingame EBANK Ricdic and EBANK Ricdlc are almost idential.
Now, in a few of these cases people took my bio, they took my corp name (exact same name is allowed) and the ticker was slightly changed such as VBANK or EB4NK. Also the character picture was emulated.
The eula quite clearly states that impersonation is not acceptable of "any player". I would suggest anyone who isn't a "celeb" and has a failed petition (with a clear case of impersonation) escalates to a senior GM. GM's abide by the EULA with all players, no-one gets special treatment.
I am disturbed by the amount of people suggesting this should be an allowed mechanic. It's extremely easy to almost perfectly imitate another person or entity in Eve due to the fonts in use which should be a blatant exploit for clear-cut impersonations. These people aren't relying on the stupidity of other people, they are using the graphical interface and play on letters to fool people into these situations.
I am glad the OP got renamed and I suggest ANYONE else who is being clearly impersonated by another to immediately petition to CCP. The Eve terms are quite clear about this and have been since Eve started. Play by the rules or quit Eve (same thing I say regarding macro miners and isk seller/buyers as there is no difference). In both cases and the OP's case the rules are being broken, end of story.
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Melor Rend
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Posted - 2008.08.14 14:40:00 -
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Didn't read everything but imo it sucks that CCP took away the ISK from the OP! Impersonating a GM or Dev is one thing but impersonating a player? Why the hell not?!
If scams like the EIB are ok then why not this one? Don't see a problem with this scam tbh. The person who traded an MS without checking his trading partner deserves to get his ISK stolen and should be banned for wasting the GMs time. 
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Forluhn
Amarr Sane Industries Inc. Ursa Stellar Initiative
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Posted - 2008.08.14 14:48:00 -
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IMHO Exploiting someone's wealth through the use of font indifferences is quite lame. Had you claimed to be an apprentice of Chribba then fair game, but using an 8 in place of a B just isn't right.
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Nexa Necis
The Really Awesome Players
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Posted - 2008.08.14 15:59:00 -
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Well this should be interesting. I had no clue about this rule and I have someone who not only made a character name similar to mine, Nexa Neci5, they even went so far as to create a corp named THE REALLY AWESOME PLAYERS. adding the period on the end of the corp and a 5 as an S in the character name.
This person trolls lots of my threads, pretends to be me in game, asking for ISK and such. They even make posts pretending to be me and representing my corp.
I have petitioned it. I haven't heard a response yet.
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Seeing EyeDog
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Posted - 2008.08.14 16:08:00 -
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Originally by: Melor Rend Didn't read everything but imo it sucks that CCP took away the ISK from the OP! Impersonating a GM or Dev is one thing but impersonating a player? Why the hell not?!
If scams like the EIB are ok then why not this one? Don't see a problem with this scam tbh. The person who traded an MS without checking his trading partner deserves to get his ISK stolen and should be banned for wasting the GMs time. 
QFT...srsly, Scamming is an accepted part of the game. You cant allow one form of perfectly fine scamming, over another...either u allow scams or you dont. There should be no waffling on this issue. _____________________
Originally by: Locus Bey Intelligence isn't a prequisite for being a Goon, in fact its a deficit.
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Seeing EyeDog
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Posted - 2008.08.14 16:09:00 -
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Originally by: EBANK Ricdic
I am disturbed by the amount of people suggesting this should be an allowed mechanic. It's extremely easy to almost perfectly imitate another person or entity in Eve due to the fonts in use which should be a blatant exploit for clear-cut impersonations. These people aren't relying on the stupidity of other people, they are using the graphical interface and play on letters to fool people into these situations.
Well, I never go here, but Im going to. Ever heard of a con-artist? They exist in RL, which Eve (apparently) simulates...why shouldnt they be allowed here again? _____________________
Originally by: Locus Bey Intelligence isn't a prequisite for being a Goon, in fact its a deficit.
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