Originally by: Neon Razor

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/signed ,Tho Curse will work after patch just fine. Tested many times. Not nano offcourse

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Originally by: Angelic Eviaran

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Retribution:

-Needs 2 mids. Remove useless 5th utility high and put it in mid. Lets face it, why have a utility slot for a ship with range bonus. Utterly stupid.

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Originally by: Angelic Eviaran

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Vengeance:

-Rocket damage needs a boost just like torps got a boost for being close range weapons.

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Originally by: Angelic Eviaran

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Omen:

-Needs more powergrid. If you cant fit the lowest tier pulses and cant fit anything else after that you know the ship is broken. This ship needs fitting because its a very crummy ship right now.

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Originally by: Angelic Eviaran

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Maller:

-No use at all. Its a tanking ship of t1 cruiser class = useless. It needs more damage. Give it a damage bonus.

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Originally by: Angelic Eviaran

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Augoror:

-Caldari get a shield transfer bonus on their support cruiser, why isn't amarr getting armor transfer instead of cap transfer?

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Originally by: Angelic Eviaran

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Curse:

-Will be useless after nano nerf. Without nano it has no tank. If you try to run your ew, wich is neuts + td, you dont have any cap for running tank. If you run a tank youre useless. CCP needs to give the curse the ability to inherently run its ew without 50 cap mods in mids and lows. Same goes for pilgrim.

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Originally by: Angelic Eviaran

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Pilgrim:

-Range issue still not fixed. All other recons have range bonus except pilgrim. This is obviously wrong. Also same problem as curse: Cant inherently run its ew without 50 cap mods.

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Originally by: Angelic Eviaran

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Sentinel:

-Same problem as curse. Cant inherently run its ew. Sure you can kill inties in it but a combat inty can do that too. This ship is weak. It also is the only ship class that doesnt get a hp boost compared to its t1 hull eventhough its a t2 ship. All EAS needs more armor and hull etc.

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Originally by: vostok

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Originally by: Angelic Eviaran

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Retribution:

-Needs 2 mids. Remove useless 5th utility high and put it in mid. Lets face it, why have a utility slot for a ship with range bonus. Utterly stupid.

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Single med kills it for all pvp application... fair point.

Originally by: Angelic Eviaran

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Vengeance:

-Rocket damage needs a boost just like torps got a boost for being close range weapons.

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I like the vengeance, rockets may do low damage but they use no cap and the damage isn't so bad.

Originally by: Angelic Eviaran

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Omen:

-Needs more powergrid. If you cant fit the lowest tier pulses and cant fit anything else after that you know the ship is broken. This ship needs fitting because its a very crummy ship right now.

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I like the omen, it has grid issues because its only a second tier cruiser, this is correct.

Originally by: Angelic Eviaran

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Maller:

-No use at all. Its a tanking ship of t1 cruiser class = useless. It needs more damage. Give it a damage bonus.

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Ok maller sucks, only your thing on the omen... They should swap places tbh, the maller does no damage and while it tanks well it only tanks well for a cruiser, which basicly is not well at all.

Originally by: Angelic Eviaran

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Augoror:

-Caldari get a shield transfer bonus on their support cruiser, why isn't amarr getting armor transfer instead of cap transfer?

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Because gallente had to rep something lol.

Originally by: Angelic Eviaran

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Curse:

-Will be useless after nano nerf. Without nano it has no tank. If you try to run your ew, wich is neuts + td, you dont have any cap for running tank. If you run a tank youre useless. CCP needs to give the curse the ability to inherently run its ew without 50 cap mods in mids and lows. Same goes for pilgrim.

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Curse is an awesome ship and headed for a nerf, wont hear anybody whining about it.

Originally by: Angelic Eviaran

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Pilgrim:

-Range issue still not fixed. All other recons have range bonus except pilgrim. This is obviously wrong. Also same problem as curse: Cant inherently run its ew without 50 cap mods.

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Pilgrim will be a demon in the new patch, I don't think this needs a buff, a nerf if anything.

Originally by: Angelic Eviaran

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Sentinel:

-Same problem as curse. Cant inherently run its ew. Sure you can kill inties in it but a combat inty can do that too. This ship is weak. It also is the only ship class that doesnt get a hp boost compared to its t1 hull eventhough its a t2 ship. All EAS needs more armor and hull etc.

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Again sentinal CAN run its EW, its just very hard (and rightly so). Any frigate that can shut down and kill a BS on its own (given a nice long time) should be fairly hard to use imo.

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Originally by: Ambien Torca

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You forgot prophecy which is rather pointless atm. Same can be said about Cyclone but that¦s not on topic.

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Originally by: CCP Greyscale

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*moderated - mother abuse - Mitnal*

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Originally by: Riho

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i fly a curse and i will say the curse will be rather awesome after speed nerf.. if the OP cant think of a way to fit it after the nerf.. then sux to be such a FOTM players

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Originally by: Morgan La'Chance

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Originally by: Ambien Torca

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You forgot prophecy which is rather pointless atm. Same can be said about Cyclone but that¦s not on topic.

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Battlecruiser balancing is a whole different topic.

Also, the main Amarr problems during the last 1.5 years or so have been:

* Crummy Khanid ships: Fixed (most admirably)
* Apocalypse: Fixed (most admirably)
* Armageddon's CPU: Fixed
* Armour base EM resistances: Fixed
* Cruisers, except newbie cap transferring Augoror and Arbitrator being somewhat useless: Not fixed

You bring up valid points, but Amarr has gotten a lot of love in the recent patches.

I do not want Retri to lose its spare high. I do want all assault frigs to gain an extra slot.

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Originally by: Siddy

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Geddon needs that 5% rof changed to 7,5% rof bonus, and preferably 20% to cap reduction


Abaddon needs Bigger drone bay and more armor HP.


Megapulses needs more tracking, its ben issue since day 1.


Maybe slight damage boost to tacyons, not worth using at the moment.


That whuld fix it, yeah.

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Originally by: Siddy

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Geddon needs that 5% rof changed to 7,5% rof bonus, and preferably 20% to cap reduction


Abaddon needs Bigger drone bay and more armor HP.


Megapulses needs more tracking, its ben issue since day 1.


Maybe slight damage boost to tacyons, not worth using at the moment.


That whuld fix it, yeah.

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Originally by: vostok

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Originally by: Siddy

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Geddon needs that 5% rof changed to 7,5% rof bonus, and preferably 20% to cap reduction


Abaddon needs Bigger drone bay and more armor HP.


Megapulses needs more tracking, its ben issue since day 1.


Maybe slight damage boost to tacyons, not worth using at the moment.


That whuld fix it, yeah.

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Thats called breaking ships and making them overpowered...

The geddon already does insane dps due to a 33% damage increase, you propose it gets a 60% bonus to damage?! and its guns use less cap than equivalent blasters. Also a 20% redcution in cap per leve = a 100% reduction in cap usage - fool.

Megapulses are meant to have tracking issues, else they do the damage of blasters at 20km with multi (and still sick damage at 45km with scorch) compared to blasters range of 15km tops AND match them at close quarters.

Tachyon snipers are some of the highest dps snipers in the game already and they are not that hard to fit considering the amount of grid amarr get.


You have basicly stated every best point of amarr and said it should get a boost when its some of the best stuff in the game at the moment. You fragging idiot!


Also, I don't fly minmatar ships at all, every other race in fact.

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Originally by: Misina Arlath

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Two major fixes I want for Amarr ships.

First off, the "bonus" to cap usage on guns is redicilous. No other races have a bonus added as a crutch to their ships to simply make them able to operate their guns. Do Caldari need CPU bonus to their ships to fit launcher? Does Gallente need Grid bonus to their ship to fit blasters?

Why should Amarr need Cap bonus to ship to fire lasers? If the lasers drain so much Cap that a bonus is needed, then the Cap usage bonus to the ship should be a passive bonus to Amarr ships, or the cap usage for lasers should be lowered. Lowering the cap usage on lasers would make it easier to use them on other race ships, but so what? Can't Amarr already fit launchers, blasters, railguns, artillery and autocannons as they please?

Lower the Cap usage on lasers, or give ALL Amarr ships a passive bonus to how much cap the lasers drain, and give the ships a useful 2nd ship bonus. Caldari, Gallente and Minamtar ships all have 2 bonuses that are greatly useful, such as extra drone damage, better tracking, improved optimal or falloff ranges, improved damage et.c.

Where Amarr gets a crap bonus to Cap usage on guns and a damage bonus, other ships get a bonus to damage AND to track speed or ranges. W.T.F?

Also, though perhaps a detail, just like "Reload all" when you right click your weapon modules while in space, please add a "Change all crystals to..." feature in the same menu.

As much as I love flying the Amarr ships, the "bonus" to the turret cap usage makes me die a little inside everytime I see it.

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Originally by: Siddy

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Originally by: Tian Jade

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I am Amarr specialised and I can assure you that Amarr is fine, no great.

Amarr have some of the best ships ingame, not in all aspects, but that I would call balanced.

Retribution and Vengeance are not that great? So what, their Cruiser counterparts, Sacriledge and Zealot are among the best HAC.

Omen and Maller, while the T1 Cruisers are not great, the T2 Hull are awesome. No need to change this. Also the Arbitrator is an excellent T1 Cruiser

The Guardian is the real support Cruiser, not the Augoror.

Curse and Pilgrim.
Hit a bit badly with the Nos nerf. Both ships could use more PG and CPU.

Sentinel
No experience with this ship. As it only appears to be a smaller sized Curse, with less Nos/Neutralizer Power I found the ship really uninteresting.

Amarr is still fine. They have excellent HACs and Command Ships. The BC are a bit of mixed type. The Prophecy has a great tank but lacks damage, while the Harbinger is more of gank-ship. Still I would consider both of them useful.

Amarr BS are awesome. Armageddon, Apocalypse and Abaddon.

It is also a fact that Amarr ships are great, but you have to invest a lot of Skillpoints into their ships. Amarr usually start to shine when you have T2 weapons/crystals, excellent fitting skills and the ship skill at level 5.

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No need to change this.

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Originally by: Angelic Eviaran

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-So why not fix retri and vengeance? Because our hacs are ok? Good point. /sarcasm

-Omen and maller can be crap because their t2 hulls are ok? Good point. /sarcasm

-The basilisk the the real support cruiser, not the osprey. But that only applies to caldari apparantly. Good point. /sarcasm

-Sentinel: Unintresting because its worthless.

-We know the hacs and cs and BS are generally fine but that is not what this topic was about.

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Originally by: Ambien Torca

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You forgot prophecy which is rather pointless atm. Same can be said about Cyclone but that¦s not on topic.

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Originally by: vostok

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I do hate to derail threads but you're hardly looking at the bigger picture, you think curse and pilgrim are bad, look at the arazu/lachesis, they are written off as dead and yours are some of the most popular recons being flown.

The sentinel is devistating when used with a high damage AF, it will shut down any cruiser or below's tank and maybe their weapons while having the damage of 4 light drones, which is more than any other electronic attack ship.

What about the scythe?! a bonus to tracking links?! are you kidding, and you think cap transfer is bad...

The point is not all ships are good and we have to learn to accept that and just hope ccp leave our chosen races with enough for us to play with...

Which amarr has more than enough of.

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Originally by: Angelic Eviaran

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Originally by: vostok

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I do hate to derail threads but you're hardly looking at the bigger picture, you think curse and pilgrim are bad, look at the arazu/lachesis, they are written off as dead and yours are some of the most popular recons being flown.

The sentinel is devistating when used with a high damage AF, it will shut down any cruiser or below's tank and maybe their weapons while having the damage of 4 light drones, which is more than any other electronic attack ship.

What about the scythe?! a bonus to tracking links?! are you kidding, and you think cap transfer is bad...

The point is not all ships are good and we have to learn to accept that and just hope ccp leave our chosen races with enough for us to play with...

Which amarr has more than enough of.

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I don't see you telling the minmatar all this. That they have enough to play with. Besides every race seem to have their own boost threads discussing their broken ships, why shouldnt we have one. It's not like the fail of these mentioned amarr ships are made up.

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Originally by: vostok

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I'm more opposed to the fact that most of this is whine/wrong or both...

Most these ships are brilliant for what they are and have no issues with them, and yes, I fly them.

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Originally by: Tian Jade

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A race does need the best ship in every aspect of the game.

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Originally by: Angelic Eviaran

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Edited by: Angelic Eviaran on 15/08/2008 10:30:53

Originally by: Tian Jade

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A race does need the best ship in every aspect of the game.

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Go tell that to the minmatar emo crowd. I don't see you educating them while they've been QQing all over the place for last months. Intresting how this argument is always used against amarr and not minmatar or the other races.

Besides, I trained amarr back when they were totally gimped also. Because I liked amarr ships. Youre preaching your fortune cookie wisdom to the choir.

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Originally by: Rex Wolfen

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....look ma im in a [MEGA THREAD]

amar is fine

think about what this patch might do to the minmatars and the gallente blasterboats, that deservse a real [MEGA THREAD]

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Originally by: Angelic Eviaran

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Originally by: Rex Wolfen

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....look ma im in a [MEGA THREAD]

amar is fine

think about what this patch might do to the minmatars and the gallente blasterboats, that deservse a real [MEGA THREAD]

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We need a mega thread because there are alot of ships that need fixing. Are you saying we should not fix broken ships?

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Originally by: Angelic Eviaran

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We need a mega thread because there are alot of ships that need fixing. Are you saying we should not fix broken ships?

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Originally by: Cpt Branko

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The Tier 1 BC issue isn't a Amarr issue, it's a Tier 1 BC issue. Tier 1 BCs, as a rule, suck. Boosting the Amarr one would just make it overpowered compared to the other Tier 1 BCs, thereby producing another ship where Amarr have the best in class. So make a [Tier 1 BCs broken] thread.

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Originally by: Angelic Eviaran

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Actually no. Brutix can be used as rail platform and does very well as a blaster boat too. Nothing wrong with it at all.

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Originally by: Angelic Eviaran

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The ferox can be used for long range rail sniping as an alternative to missile boat drake. Useful and has its place.

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Originally by: Ekrid

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Use the maller properly ftw? It looks like a tank ship right? With its bonus to tanking, and its bonus to cap use of lasers, don't you think that firing faster via laser turret upgrade low slot modules is exactly what you should be doing to make the maller godly?

Look at it this way. this game is either tank, gank, or mix.

With the omen, it can REALLY gank, or it can mix tank and gank. With the maller, it can REALLY tank, or it can mix tank and gank.

What you should be thinking of, is ways to make TANK ships more important on a battlefield, so that they are as much or more of a priority target than gank setup ships.

After all, how do you kill a gank setup enemy cruiser if they have another cruiser constantly jamming you with ECMS? So you'll want to kill that cruiser first to get rid of it, but wait, now that you're trying to kill it INSTEAD, you're taking damage from the gank cruiser while that tank cruiser is still ruining your day jamming you whenever possible, and you only doing a little bit of damage to that super tanker in the very small window where the ECM jam fails and you get to lock on for a few seconds before getting lock broken again.

The tools are right there for people to use. The power of the ships is not in dispute, really it seems more like the intelligence and ability to make the best use of ships for small gang warfare by people is what is in dispute right now.

P.S. People say the punisher is one of the best frigates, Yet it bears the exact SAME bonuses as the maller. So whats the difference? Could it be people sucking in their fitting of cruisers and people who fly frigates competently dont also fly cruisers to tell you all you're wrong? One could say so, but then they'd be wrong too, because there is one here who is telling you how hard you all fail.

Look, I've broken the cycle. All hail me.

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Originally by: Angelic Eviaran

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Edited by: Angelic Eviaran on 15/08/2008 09:48:35
Edited by: Angelic Eviaran on 15/08/2008 09:24:15
New patches come and go but the amarr problem is ignored. There are several ships that are very broken in the amarr fleet. I hope our fixes can also be included when they start fixing other races.

Retribution:

-Needs 2 mids. Remove useless 5th utility high and put it in mid. Lets face it, why have a utility slot for a ship with range bonus. Utterly stupid.

Vengeance:

-Rocket damage needs a boost just like torps got a boost for being close range weapons.

Omen:

-Needs more powergrid. If you cant fit the lowest tier pulses and cant fit anything else after that you know the ship is broken. This ship needs fitting because its a very crummy ship right now.

Maller:

-No use at all. Its a tanking ship of t1 cruiser class = useless. It needs more damage. Give it a damage bonus.

-Or you could keep the tanking bonus but give it a big drone bay.

Augoror:

-Caldari get a shield transfer bonus on their support cruiser, why isn't amarr getting armor transfer instead of cap transfer?

Curse:

-Will be useless after nano nerf. Without nano it has no tank. If you try to run your ew, wich is neuts + td, you dont have any cap for running tank. If you run a tank youre useless. CCP needs to give the curse the ability to inherently run its ew without 50 cap mods in mids and lows. Same goes for pilgrim.

Pilgrim:

-Range issue still not fixed. All other recons have range bonus except pilgrim. This is obviously wrong. Also same problem as curse: Cant inherently run its ew without 50 cap mods.

Sentinel:

-Same problem as curse. Cant inherently run its ew. Sure you can kill inties in it but a combat inty can do that too. This ship is weak. It also is the only ship class that doesnt get a hp boost compared to its t1 hull eventhough its a t2 ship. All EAS needs more armor and hull etc.

Prophecy:

-Epic fail tier 1 bc. There is simply no reason at all to fly this ship. Yes harbinger can outtank it quite well and do twice the damage while doing that.

-This ship needs bigger drone bay to be useful or get more dps by gun bonus or extra turret. The tank bonus + big drone bay can be an allright combo.

Crystals:

-There should be an option to switch crystal type on whole rack, or the ability to instantly switch ammo has little practical use.

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Originally by: Ambien Torca

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Optimal range bonus for prophecy and maller making them finally useful for something else than taking it to the chin.

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Originally by: Angelic Eviaran

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Edited by: Angelic Eviaran on 15/08/2008 09:48:35
Edited by: Angelic Eviaran on 15/08/2008 09:24:15
New patches come and go but the amarr problem is ignored. There are several ships that are very broken in the amarr fleet. I hope our fixes can also be included when they start fixing other races.

Retribution:

-Needs 2 mids. Remove useless 5th utility high and put it in mid. Lets face it, why have a utility slot for a ship with range bonus. Utterly stupid.

Vengeance:

-Rocket damage needs a boost just like torps got a boost for being close range weapons.

Omen:

-Needs more powergrid. If you cant fit the lowest tier pulses and cant fit anything else after that you know the ship is broken. This ship needs fitting because its a very crummy ship right now.

Maller:

-No use at all. Its a tanking ship of t1 cruiser class = useless. It needs more damage. Give it a damage bonus.

-Or you could keep the tanking bonus but give it a big drone bay.

Augoror:

-Caldari get a shield transfer bonus on their support cruiser, why isn't amarr getting armor transfer instead of cap transfer?

Curse:

-Will be useless after nano nerf. Without nano it has no tank. If you try to run your ew, wich is neuts + td, you dont have any cap for running tank. If you run a tank youre useless. CCP needs to give the curse the ability to inherently run its ew without 50 cap mods in mids and lows. Same goes for pilgrim.

Pilgrim:

-Range issue still not fixed. All other recons have range bonus except pilgrim. This is obviously wrong. Also same problem as curse: Cant inherently run its ew without 50 cap mods.

Sentinel:

-Same problem as curse. Cant inherently run its ew. Sure you can kill inties in it but a combat inty can do that too. This ship is weak. It also is the only ship class that doesnt get a hp boost compared to its t1 hull eventhough its a t2 ship. All EAS needs more armor and hull etc.

Prophecy:

-Epic fail tier 1 bc. There is simply no reason at all to fly this ship. Yes harbinger can outtank it quite well and do twice the damage while doing that.

-This ship needs bigger drone bay to be useful or get more dps by gun bonus or extra turret. The tank bonus + big drone bay can be an allright combo.

Crystals:

-There should be an option to switch crystal type on whole rack, or the ability to instantly switch ammo has little practical use.

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Originally by: Misina Arlath

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Two major fixes I want for Amarr ships.

First off, the "bonus" to cap usage on guns is redicilous. No other races have a bonus added as a crutch to their ships to simply make them able to operate their guns. Do Caldari need CPU bonus to their ships to fit launcher? Does Gallente need Grid bonus to their ship to fit blasters?

Why should Amarr need Cap bonus to ship to fire lasers? If the lasers drain so much Cap that a bonus is needed, then the Cap usage bonus to the ship should be a passive bonus to Amarr ships, or the cap usage for lasers should be lowered. Lowering the cap usage on lasers would make it easier to use them on other race ships, but so what? Can't Amarr already fit launchers, blasters, railguns, artillery and autocannons as they please?

Lower the Cap usage on lasers, or give ALL Amarr ships a passive bonus to how much cap the lasers drain, and give the ships a useful 2nd ship bonus. Caldari, Gallente and Minamtar ships all have 2 bonuses that are greatly useful, such as extra drone damage, better tracking, improved optimal or falloff ranges, improved damage et.c.

Where Amarr gets a crap bonus to Cap usage on guns and a damage bonus, other ships get a bonus to damage AND to track speed or ranges. W.T.F?

Also, though perhaps a detail, just like "Reload all" when you right click your weapon modules while in space, please add a "Change all crystals to..." feature in the same menu.

As much as I love flying the Amarr ships, the "bonus" to the turret cap usage makes me die a little inside everytime I see it.

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Originally by: Angelic Eviaran

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-Needs 2 mids. Remove useless 5th utility high and put it in mid. Lets face it, why have a utility slot for a ship with range bonus. Utterly stupid.

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Vengeance:

-Rocket damage needs a boost just like torps got a boost for being close range weapons.

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Omen:
-Needs more powergrid.

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Augoror:

-Caldari get a shield transfer bonus on their support cruiser, why isn't amarr getting armor transfer instead of cap transfer?

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Curse:

-Will be useless after nano nerf.

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Pilgrim:

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Sentinel:

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Prophecy:

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Crystals:
-There should be an option to switch crystal type on whole rack, or the ability to instantly switch ammo has little practical use.

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Originally by: Arthur Frayn

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How much to ruin all your holes, luv?

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Originally by: Ekrid

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Originally by: Ambien Torca

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Optimal range bonus for prophecy and maller making them finally useful for something else than taking it to the chin.

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Lasers are medium range weapons. Read their flavor text on laser turrets. compare the different ranges of different classes of turrets.

Theres a reason amarr use weapon disruptors. It nerfs enemy turret ranges and tracking speed.

With lasers, you either get in range somehow, either warping to it, or AB or MWD while a tackler holds the enemy, or you force the enemy to get closer to you via weapon disruptors, or you warp off.

Stop trying to make snipers out of every single amarr ship, start learning how to force the encounter into your range where you have superior damage dealing capability and can fire continuously where others have to reload, and you'll start doing better with amarr ships.

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Originally by: PAcifisti

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Amarr isnt the only one with "broken shipbonus"

Just look at all caldari gunboats, 10% bonus to optimal range per level. I know this might sound weird but just think about it..

CCP was too lazy to create us our own guns that would have enough range without shipbonuses to work in our role as long range specialists. So instead we're given Hybrids from the gallente and reserving a rangebonus on all gunboats to compensate for the missing optimal.

Doesn't that sound familiar? One bonus used on every gunboat to compensate for a flaw in your guns so that you can be able to function in your intended role with the ship?

And while we're on the topic, all minmatar ships with double dmg bonus (rof & dmg) are quite the same in the way that they have to have 2 dmg bonuses just to get enough dps in their class, while other races get to the same dps values with just one dmg bonus (ie. Harbinger vs Hurricane) again "losing" a bonus to compensate for your guns.

Well, that was quite a rant. I just hope people would understand that the "broken bonus" problem isnt limited only to amarr ships,

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Originally by: Angelic Eviaran

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Edited by: Angelic Eviaran on 15/08/2008 09:48:35
Edited by: Angelic Eviaran on 15/08/2008 09:24:15
New patches come and go but the amarr problem is ignored. There are several ships that are very broken in the amarr fleet. I hope our fixes can also be included when they start fixing other races.

Retribution: Needs 2 mids. Remove useless 5th utility high and put it in mid. Lets face it, why have a utility slot for a ship with range bonus. Utterly stupid.

Vengeance: Rocket damage needs a boost just like torps got a boost for being close range weapons.

Omen: Needs more powergrid. If you cant fit the lowest tier pulses and cant fit anything else after that you know the ship is broken. This ship needs fitting because its a very crummy ship right now.

Maller: No use at all. Its a tanking ship of t1 cruiser class = useless. It needs more damage. Give it a damage bonus. Or you could keep the tanking bonus but give it a big drone bay.

Augoror: Caldari get a shield transfer bonus on their support cruiser, why isn't amarr getting armor transfer instead of cap transfer?

Curse: Will be useless after nano nerf. Without nano it has no tank. If you try to run your ew, wich is neuts + td, you dont have any cap for running tank. If you run a tank youre useless. CCP needs to give the curse the ability to inherently run its ew without 50 cap mods in mids and lows. Same goes for pilgrim.

Pilgrim: Range issue still not fixed. All other recons have range bonus except pilgrim. This is obviously wrong. Also same problem as curse: Cant inherently run its ew without 50 cap mods.

Sentinel: Same problem as curse. Cant inherently run its ew. Sure you can kill inties in it but a combat inty can do that too. This ship is weak. It also is the only ship class that doesnt get a hp boost compared to its t1 hull eventhough its a t2 ship. All EAS needs more armor and hull etc.

Prophecy: Epic fail tier 1 bc. There is simply no reason at all to fly this ship. Yes harbinger can outtank it quite well and do twice the damage while doing that. This ship needs bigger drone bay to be useful or get more dps by gun bonus or extra turret. The tank bonus + big drone bay can be an allright combo.

Crystals: There should be an option to switch crystal type on whole rack, or the ability to instantly switch ammo has little practical use.

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Originally by: AstroPhobic

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Amarr is borderline overpowered, and you want to make ALL of your ships useful?

HA.

Dream on. Minmatar boost patch is next. I can't believe you're whining about some useless ships when your other ships are dominating..

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Originally by: Siddy

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Geddon needs that 5% rof changed to 7,5% rof bonus, and preferably 20% to cap reduction


Abaddon needs Bigger drone bay and more armor HP.


Megapulses needs more tracking, its ben issue since day 1.


Maybe slight damage boost to tacyons, not worth using at the moment.


That whuld fix it, yeah.

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Originally by: SurrenderMonkey

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There's an Amarr problem?

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Originally by: AstroPhobic

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Edited by: AstroPhobic on 15/08/2008 16:00:09
7.5% ROF to minnie ships won't fix anything.

Lets say you have a tempest. It does 960 DPS at 3 + 20km with RF EMP (3 Gyros, 800s, max skills).

That same tempest does 498 damage at 23km (nearly half of it drones).

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Originally by: Misina Arlath

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Two major fixes I want for Amarr ships.

First off, the "bonus" to cap usage on guns is redicilous. No other races have a bonus added as a crutch to their ships to simply make them able to operate their guns. Do Caldari need CPU bonus to their ships to fit launcher? Does Gallente need Grid bonus to their ship to fit blasters?

Why should Amarr need Cap bonus to ship to fire lasers? If the lasers drain so much Cap that a bonus is needed, then the Cap usage bonus to the ship should be a passive bonus to Amarr ships, or the cap usage for lasers should be lowered. Lowering the cap usage on lasers would make it easier to use them on other race ships, but so what? Can't Amarr already fit launchers, blasters, railguns, artillery and autocannons as they please?

Lower the Cap usage on lasers, or give ALL Amarr ships a passive bonus to how much cap the lasers drain, and give the ships a useful 2nd ship bonus. Caldari, Gallente and Minamtar ships all have 2 bonuses that are greatly useful, such as extra drone damage, better tracking, improved optimal or falloff ranges, improved damage et.c.

Where Amarr gets a crap bonus to Cap usage on guns and a damage bonus, other ships get a bonus to damage AND to track speed or ranges. W.T.F?

Also, though perhaps a detail, just like "Reload all" when you right click your weapon modules while in space, please add a "Change all crystals to..." feature in the same menu.

As much as I love flying the Amarr ships, the "bonus" to the turret cap usage makes me die a little inside everytime I see it.

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Originally by: SurrenderMonkey

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You lost me on your math here. If it does 960 at 3 with a 20km falloff, at 23, only its turret DPS should be halved.

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Originally by: Angelic Eviaran

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Hey, leave our thread alone you minmatar troll!

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This thread is about fixing broken ships. They are broken independent of the performance of our other ships.

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Originally by: Boz Well

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Originally by: SurrenderMonkey

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There's an Amarr problem?

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Nothing that can't be solved by more Minmatar nerfs.

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Originally by: SurrenderMonkey

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You lost me on your math here. If it does 960 at 3 with a 20km falloff, at 23, only its turret DPS should be halved. You state that "nearly half" of its DPS at that range is coming from drones, which would be static at any range. Since I don't know how much "nearly half" is, I'm going to call it half - 249 damage. So at 3KM its turrets were doing 960-249 = 711 damage. So that's halved at 23KM = 355.5 + 249 drone damage = 604.5.

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Originally by: Cpt Branko

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Originally by: SurrenderMonkey

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You lost me on your math here. If it does 960 at 3 with a 20km falloff, at 23, only its turret DPS should be halved. You state that "nearly half" of its DPS at that range is coming from drones, which would be static at any range. Since I don't know how much "nearly half" is, I'm going to call it half - 249 damage. So at 3KM its turrets were doing 960-249 = 711 damage. So that's halved at 23KM = 355.5 + 249 drone damage = 604.5.

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The thing is, at optimal+falloff, you don't do 50% damage (which miss change suggests). You do 39.5% damage due to hit quality degrading.

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Originally by: Lili Lu

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Edited by: Lili Lu on 15/08/2008 16:11:13
ok additionally give projectile a little more optimal. but i'm sick of major nerfs. damps were destroyed, nos was destroyed. Webs may be getting destroyed. CCP needs to take smaller steps not complete reworks until and if those smaller steps prove useless.

ALso I edited my post above in response to Astro

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Originally by: SurrenderMonkey

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Fair enough. Is there an equation for HQ degradation with range (and/or tracking, if it happens there too) anywhere?

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Originally by: SurrenderMonkey

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Fair enough. Is there an equation for HQ degradation with range (and/or tracking, if it happens there too) anywhere?

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Originally by: Lyria Skydancer

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LoL, minmatar derailing our amarr thread! Buuu! I'll go troll your threads if you dont stop!

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Originally by: Lyria Skydancer

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LoL, minmatar derailing our amarr thread! Buuu! I'll go troll your threads if you dont stop!

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Originally by: AstroPhobic

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Originally by: Lyria Skydancer

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LoL, minmatar derailing our amarr thread! Buuu! I'll go troll your threads if you dont stop!

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I'm half amarr. I have the riiiight.

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Originally by: Cpt Branko

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Originally by: AstroPhobic

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Originally by: Lyria Skydancer

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LoL, minmatar derailing our amarr thread! Buuu! I'll go troll your threads if you dont stop!

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I'm half amarr. I have the riiiight.

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You're a stinking traitor whatever way you look at it.

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Originally by: Lyria Skydancer

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LoL, minmatar derailing our amarr thread! Buuu! I'll go troll your threads if you dont stop!

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Originally by: Cpt Branko

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You're a stinking traitor whatever way you look at it.

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Originally by: Boz Well

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Originally by: Lyria Skydancer

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LoL, minmatar derailing our amarr thread! Buuu! I'll go troll your threads if you dont stop!

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You don't already?

And I know at least a handful of us "Minmatar" have well-skilled Amarr pilots as well, (can't say the same for most of the Amarr/Caldari trolls ), so it's not like we don't understand how laserzpewpew works.

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Originally by: AstroPhobic

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Stab Wounds told me to adapt or die... so I adapted.

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Originally by: Cpt Branko

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Originally by: AstroPhobic

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Stab Wounds told me to adapt or die... so I adapted.

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He was trying to get you to die, geez. I assume you're the sort of person who loves letting people down, huh? Feels good to shatter someone's dreams, eh?

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Originally by: Boz Well

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Originally by: SurrenderMonkey

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There's an Amarr problem?

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Nothing that can't be solved by more Minmatar nerfs.

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Originally by: Boz Well

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Originally by: SurrenderMonkey

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There's an Amarr problem?

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Nothing that can't be solved by more Minmatar nerfs.

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woot I wants a toy arbitrator !!! :O

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Originally by: DigitalCommunist

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Edited by: DigitalCommunist on 15/08/2008 16:16:36
This thread is nothing but a random swing in the dark to blanket boost Amarr. Everything I've read so far suggests that most people don't know what they're talking about. Amarr ships do suffer issues, but on average, aren't any worse than the ships of other races. That's because every ship in the game faces one common problem: another ship can do the same job.

As an example, talking about any changes to specific AF is incredibly stupid when the entire class is worthless for the same exact reason. No matter what stats you give them, they will die to ships that are bigger and better. You can boost damage by 50% and it wouldn't matter when a tech 1 cruiser that's cheaper will take you to school.

I would say the vast majority of any valid Amarr complaints could be absolved by stretching the signature radius spectrum. Don't know what I'm talking about?

Click Here

I made that a while ago to demonstrate this point. So go ahead, change all the stats you want. It won't matter because you have FIFTY ships with an average of 40m signature radius (+/- 18). Its tactically insignificant when you take microwarpdrives out of the equation, which is why everything comes down to speed, followed by agility.

Fleet battles were somewhat balanced by the need to individually tackle the enemy ships, but now you have Interdictors and HICs. Anyone who brings a Inty/AF/Frigate to the fight is essentially a worthless idiot. The only way you can say they're better off having said ship, is when you compare it to the scenario when the pilot doesn't even show up. And with the size/lag of some huge fights these days, even that much is questionable.

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Originally by: 7shining7one7

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Edited by: 7shining7one7 on 15/08/2008 14:09:19
nvm.. can't be bothered.

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Originally by: Lili Lu

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no argument from me that tech 1 minmatar could use some buff too.

yes, amarr tech 1 has been buffed a bit already. just there are a few lagards.

Minmatar and Amarr could join forces to depose the Gallente-Caldari supremacy

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Originally by: AstroPhobic

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Currently it's Amarr-Caldari supremacy. We'll see how hard CCP nerfs missiles.

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Originally by: AstroPhobic

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Your sig made me do a double take. You may have to rename your video.

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Originally by: Lyria Skydancer

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Originally by: AstroPhobic

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Your sig made me do a double take. You may have to rename your video.

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But I don't want to rename it.

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Originally by: AstroPhobic

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Originally by: Lyria Skydancer

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Originally by: AstroPhobic

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Your sig made me do a double take. You may have to rename your video.

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But I don't want to rename it.

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I always knew your were a closet minmatar lover. Accept your new found fate!

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Originally by: incubus 667

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Originally by: Lili Lu

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no argument from me that tech 1 minmatar could use some buff too.

yes, amarr tech 1 has been buffed a bit already. just there are a few lagards.

Minmatar and Amarr could join forces to depose the Gallente-Caldari supremacy

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Have you been playing eve for the last year? You see the phone is ringing here and I'm pretty sure its 2006 asking for its ballance back.

What is this gallente caldari supremacy you talk of, there was me thinking that the vaga and curse were all I was likely meet in lowsec...

But apparently gallente and caldari are the best in game? I'm afraid I need more convincing.

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Originally by: AstroPhobic

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Currently it's Amarr-Caldari supremacy. We'll see how hard CCP nerfs missiles.

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woot I wants a toy arbitrator !!! :O

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Originally by: Holy Lowlander

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Originally by: AstroPhobic

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Currently it's Amarr-Caldari supremacy. We'll see how hard CCP nerfs missiles.

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is going to be caldari/amarr specced pure for the Onyx <3 .

If one thing bothers me that should get nerfed its Passive shield tanking ... its just d'oh.

You can get a way to good HP/tankable damage ratio with that.....

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Originally by: Gamov

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the armageddon has a serious problem

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woot I wants a toy arbitrator !!! :O

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Originally by: Holy Lowlander

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Originally by: Gamov

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the armageddon has a serious problem

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yup its to damn powerfull :)

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Originally by: Boz Well

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Originally by: SurrenderMonkey

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There's an Amarr problem?

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Nothing that can't be solved by more Minmatar nerfs.

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Originally by: Zeba

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*Watches as his T2 Tachaddon 3 volleys Hacs @ 170km*

Yeah Boost Amarr Already FFS..

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Originally by: Dristra

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As said many times before: the 50% cap use bonus limits ships and creates slimy butt-foam like the maller and propecy.

And this is a proff that while lasers are a viable weapon system, it also shows that without other bonuses than cap use they are rather meh

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Originally by: Lyria Skydancer

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Originally by: Dristra

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As said many times before: the 50% cap use bonus limits ships and creates slimy butt-foam like the maller and propecy.

And this is a proff that while lasers are a viable weapon system, it also shows that without other bonuses than cap use they are rather meh

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Well thats why we need to give those ships good bonuses like drone, range or damage. Those are still within the barrier of amarr perks.

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Originally by: Berendas

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I agree with all of the OP's points, but special emphasis should be put on the Retribution. With the impending speed changes AF's will become a lot more common and its not fair to most Amarr pilots that the only AF that uses their primary weapon system should be totally useless in PVP.

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Originally by: Naomi Knight

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Most of you thinks amarr is a good race for pvp ,maybe true ,but these ships clearly need a buff, so buff them.

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Originally by: Naomi Knight

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Most of you thinks amarr is a good race for pvp ,maybe true ,but these ships clearly need a buff, so buff them.

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Originally by: Cpt Branko

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Originally by: Naomi Knight

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Most of you thinks amarr is a good race for pvp ,maybe true ,but these ships clearly need a buff, so buff them.

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Amarr need a nerf. Tripling the cap use on lasers and removing their dronebays would do the trick.

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Originally by: Siddy

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Geddon needs that 5% rof changed to 7,5% rof bonus, and preferably 20% to cap reduction


Abaddon needs Bigger drone bay and more armor HP.


Megapulses needs more tracking, its ben issue since day 1.


Maybe slight damage boost to tacyons, not worth using at the moment.


That whuld fix it, yeah.

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Originally by: SSteejans

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Edited by: SSteejans on 18/08/2008 00:15:43

Originally by: Siddy

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Geddon needs that 5% rof changed to 7,5% rof bonus, and preferably 20% to cap reduction


Abaddon needs Bigger drone bay and more armor HP.


Megapulses needs more tracking, its ben issue since day 1.


Maybe slight damage boost to tacyons, not worth using at the moment.


That whuld fix it, yeah.

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uhm.. yeah. the geddon is most definatly not in need of any changes. its amazing. though as a whole i think amarr ships should not have one of their bonuses dedicated just to making them able to fire their guns without capping out. i think they should lower the cap use of lasers and replace the laser cap use bonus with something useful. even if the replacement bonuses are crappy and useless it will at least be better than a bonus that just says "yeah you can fire your guns"

large pulse tracking IS significantly lower than the tracking of large blasters and autocannons, BUT i dont think this is really a crisis. it would be nice but its certainly not a game breaking thing. its kind of a trade off for the better range.

as for tachyons.. um.. no. tachs do insane damage. they only do slightly less damage than megapulse in fact, and they carry the awesome alpha strike. if anything needs to be done with tachs it is to lower their fitting reqs slightly. its rather annoying to need 2 T2 reactor controls just to put guns on a ship with nothing else fit yet...


for all the other changes talked about.. sure, some ships kind of suck. they could use some love, but its not the end of the world. mainly im talking about the omens lack of powergrid, maller being.. silly.. and the prophecy just plain sucking lol
beyond those 3 ships, dont try to fix what aint broke!
edit: give the retribution some love. i friggin LOVE the ship but 1 mid slot kills it.
also rockets should be more pwn in general, theyre fun. kthnx.

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Originally by: Siddy

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Geddon needs that 5% rof changed to 7,5% rof bonus, and preferably 20% to cap reduction


Abaddon needs Bigger drone bay and more armor HP.


Megapulses needs more tracking, its ben issue since day 1.


Maybe slight damage boost to tacyons, not worth using at the moment.


That whuld fix it, yeah.

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Originally by: Ambien Torca

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You forgot prophecy which is rather pointless atm. Same can be said about Cyclone but that¦s not on topic.

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Originally by: Angelic Eviaran

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Maller:

-No use at all. Its a tanking ship of t1 cruiser class = useless. It needs more damage. Give it a damage bonus.

-Or you could keep the tanking bonus but give it a big drone bay.

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Originally by: Minyon

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Giving the maller a damage bonus would be pointless as it would have the same role as the omen but less damage as the rof bonus is better and the each have 5 guns.

I would give it a range bonus 10% optimal range and keep its tanking bonus, this would make it like the moa (maybe not all that popular)but would give a new role for the amarr ships and be in line with the apoc.It would get about 100km range with beams, a bit less range than the moa but more damage,It could also use a bit more power.

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Originally by: Cpt Branko

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Amarr need a nerf. Tripling the cap use on lasers and removing their dronebays would do the trick.

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Originally by: Boz Well

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Originally by: Siddy

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Geddon needs that 5% rof changed to 7,5% rof bonus, and preferably 20% to cap reduction


Abaddon needs Bigger drone bay and more armor HP.


Megapulses needs more tracking, its ben issue since day 1.


Maybe slight damage boost to tacyons, not worth using at the moment.


That whuld fix it, yeah.

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Originally by: Noobryan

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Crystals: That would be nice. Crystals have 0 change time and 0 cooldown once your target has gone pop. Anything else would be putting your expectations too high.

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Originally by: Cpt Branko

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Originally by: Angelic Eviaran

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Actually no. Brutix can be used as rail platform and does very well as a blaster boat too. Nothing wrong with it at all.

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There's no real reason to use it over a Myrmidon for close range. Mainly because it's a blaster-boat made out of paper thanks to its grid.

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Originally by: Angelic Eviaran

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Retribution:
-Needs 2 mids. Remove useless 5th utility high and put it in mid. Lets face it, why have a utility slot for a ship with range bonus. Utterly stupid.

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Originally by: Angelic Eviaran

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Vengeance:
-Rocket damage needs a boost just like torps got a boost for being close range weapons.

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Originally by: Angelic Eviaran

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Omen:
-Needs more powergrid. If you cant fit the lowest tier pulses and cant fit anything else after that you know the ship is broken. This ship needs fitting because its a very crummy ship right now.

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Originally by: Angelic Eviaran

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Maller:
-No use at all. Its a tanking ship of t1 cruiser class = useless. It needs more damage. Give it a damage bonus.
-Or you could keep the tanking bonus but give it a big drone bay.

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Originally by: Angelic Eviaran

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Augoror:
-Caldari get a shield transfer bonus on their support cruiser, why isn't amarr getting armor transfer instead of cap transfer?

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Originally by: Angelic Eviaran

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Curse:
-Will be useless after nano nerf. Without nano it has no tank. If you try to run your ew, wich is neuts + td, you dont have any cap for running tank. If you run a tank youre useless. CCP needs to give the curse the ability to inherently run its ew without 50 cap mods in mids and lows. Same goes for pilgrim.

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Originally by: Angelic Eviaran

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Pilgrim:
-Range issue still not fixed. All other recons have range bonus except pilgrim. This is obviously wrong. Also same problem as curse: Cant inherently run its ew without 50 cap mods.

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Originally by: Angelic Eviaran

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Sentinel:
-Same problem as curse. Cant inherently run its ew. Sure you can kill inties in it but a combat inty can do that too. This ship is weak. It also is the only ship class that doesnt get a hp boost compared to its t1 hull eventhough its a t2 ship. All EAS needs more armor and hull etc.

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Originally by: Angelic Eviaran

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Prophecy:
-Epic fail tier 1 bc. There is simply no reason at all to fly this ship. Yes harbinger can outtank it quite well and do twice the damage while doing that.
-This ship needs bigger drone bay to be useful or get more dps by gun bonus or extra turret. The tank bonus + big drone bay can be an allright combo.

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Originally by: Angelic Eviaran

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Crystals:
-There should be an option to switch crystal type on whole rack, or the ability to instantly switch ammo has little practical use.

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These are the issues that we've identified with Amarr:

• Some ships could need lovin'


• Cap usage on Energy Weapons may be too high in some cases


• Fitting requirements on some Energy Weapons need adjusting


• Base EM resistances on armor are very high

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Originally by: Meridius Dex

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Besides, the armor (and shield) changes gave as big (or bigger) a stealth boost to the Minmatar! (Don't hear them complaining about that.)

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Originally by: AstroPhobic

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You get cap use, we get rate of fire. Because your weapons are high cap, and our weapons are low DPS. It's a racial thing, it's never going to change.

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Originally by: Dristra

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It is hard to get any reasonable input in this thread, people whine about the wrong things or just come with "stfu noob amarr = win" just because other races have seen some nerfs :P

The main issue i see is the cap-use bonus that only serve to increase range on pulses and tracking on beams, but to a very slight degree, whould be nice with some other bonuses here and there.

And maller\propecy needs some tweaks.

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Originally by: Peter Powers

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i agree that the midslot layout is annyoing, however the retribution is a fine ship when used in gangs, so no need to "fix" it.

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Originally by: Peter Powers

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cause cap is for amarr ships more important? the augoror is the perfect ship to support high-dps ships or to support capitals

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Originally by: Peter Powers

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whine whine whine. how does a tank make it useless? hint: it doesnt, use nos and your tank will help to suck 'em dry.

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Originally by: Peter Powers

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do what others do - fit cap mods. ever seen how much cap the damps of an arazu eat?

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Originally by: Peter Powers

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so basically you want ew ships to be assault frigattes with additional ew bonus?
the sentinel is a pretty nice ew frigatte, and with its 4 (!) drones its better then for example the gallentean, one - if you want to boost one, the gallentean one needs the most

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Originally by: Peter Powers

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One of the finest bc i did ever fly, tough tank, quite a punch on dps. if you compare the prohpecy to the harbinger you could compare the ferox to the drake aswell.. or the brutix to the myrm. and in all cases you will find that the tier2 ships have advantages over the tier1 ones.
.. why make it better then other tier1 bc?

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Originally by: Angelic Eviaran

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brutix for rail setups

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Originally by: Angelic Eviaran

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For an amarr pilot there is ABSOLUTELY NO REASON AT ALL to fly a prophecy over a harbinger. NO reason at all. THAT is the core problem.

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Originally by: Peter Powers

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i was going to answer to most of your post till i found you saying the following about a ship that is nicknamed "blasterix":

Originally by: Angelic Eviaran

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brutix for rail setups

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'nuff said

Originally by: Angelic Eviaran

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For an amarr pilot there is ABSOLUTELY NO REASON AT ALL to fly a prophecy over a harbinger. NO reason at all. THAT is the core problem.

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cant resist to answer on that one since your talking about my beloved prophecy
reason 1: cheaper
reason 2: resistances
reason 3: style (best looking ship in game)

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Originally by: Katarlia Simov

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Originally by: Dristra

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It is hard to get any reasonable input in this thread, people whine about the wrong things or just come with "stfu noob amarr = win" just because other races have seen some nerfs :P

The main issue i see is the cap-use bonus that only serve to increase range on pulses and tracking on beams, but to a very slight degree, whould be nice with some other bonuses here and there.

And maller\propecy needs some tweaks.

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Ah come on. The maller used to be damn good (god bless the dura-maller, may you rest in peace) and has had its day as the emphasis of combat moved much more towards gank. Its not bad, its really not. Just you would almost always pick something more versatile or that can hand out damage properlly.

The proph isn't exactly bad, as such, either. I mean, ages back it was the second best IMHO bc (Pre-fix cyclone for pvp anyone ? Or a ferox ?) and its still kinda ok, just you'd much rather be flying the harbinger. And thats the fate of the other tier 1 bcs too really...

Amarr aren't pure win, but they are FAR from bad nowerdays and sure they have a few stinkers, but on average you are better off picking an amarr ship than a lot of other things. Especially considering how quickly you can get past the hump of t1 cruisers into the creamy heights of bcs/bs/t2 you can't really moan.

Think back to before the laser fix. Compare that to now. Comparitively, we have NO problems what so ever.

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Originally by: AstroPhobic

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Amarr aren't average. They're nearly overpowered and the upcoming patch will confirm it.

And yes, I know. Large Energy Turret 5 finishes in 8 days.

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Originally by: AstroPhobic

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You seem to forget that autocannons without barrage is failure and that artillery without t2 gun won't let you hit 150km.

Lasers are not the hardest weapon system to skill for, sorry.

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Originally by: AstroPhobic

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Amarr aren't average. They're nearly overpowered and the upcoming patch will confirm it.

And yes, I know. Large Energy Turret 5 finishes in 8 days.

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Originally by: sdthujfg

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Fix the darn retribution! 1 mid IS ******ed!

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Originally by: Dristra

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Back on amarr tracks:
My suggestion to lower cap use on lasers and replace cap use bonus with a plain cap bonus still sounds good in my own head after looking at these values.

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Originally by: AstroPhobic

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How about you stop bumping a stupid thread? The balancing team(or guy, or trained ape..) has more pressing issues than boosting a nearly-overpowered race.

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Originally by: VicturusTeSaluto

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All piracy is built upon honoring one's word.

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Originally by: Angelic Eviaran

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Maller:

-No use at all. Its a tanking ship of t1 cruiser class = useless. It needs more damage. Give it a damage bonus.

-Or you could keep the tanking bonus but give it a big drone bay.

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Originally by: Angelic Eviaran

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Originally by: AstroPhobic

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How about you stop bumping a stupid thread? The balancing team(or guy, or trained ape..) has more pressing issues than boosting a nearly-overpowered race.

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But we needs love, my precious! Look at the poor retribution with one mid! Makes baby jesus cry.

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Originally by: Arthur Frayn

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How much to ruin all your holes, luv?

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Originally by: Angelic Eviaran

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-So why not fix retri and vengeance? Because our hacs are ok? Good point. /sarcasm

-Omen and maller can be crap because their t2 hulls are ok? Good point. /sarcasm

-The basilisk the the real support cruiser, not the osprey. But that only applies to caldari apparantly. Good point. /sarcasm

-Sentinel: Unintresting because its worthless.

-We know the hacs and cs and BS are generally fine but that is not what this topic was about.

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Originally by: Karad Forsky

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1 mid or Retri and Coercer is fine imo. Retri might not be able to tackle but if you fit it for anti-frig duty (like the Coercer) it doesn't really matter too much - they die before they warp.

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Originally by: Boz Well

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With all Amarr have going for them, I just find it hard to buy any argument that the game is really unfair to Amarr pilots atm. One AF has only 1 mid, ok, but most of the rest of the line-up (specifically larger ships and t2 ships) is rock solid. I think it'd be nice if every race's ships were completely balanced, and while I agree Amarr has a few ships that could use some attention, in my mind at least CCP needs to do a lot of other things before worrying about a 1 mid AF.

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Originally by: Lyria Skydancer

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Originally by: Boz Well

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With all Amarr have going for them, I just find it hard to buy any argument that the game is really unfair to Amarr pilots atm. One AF has only 1 mid, ok, but most of the rest of the line-up (specifically larger ships and t2 ships) is rock solid. I think it'd be nice if every race's ships were completely balanced, and while I agree Amarr has a few ships that could use some attention, in my mind at least CCP needs to do a lot of other things before worrying about a 1 mid AF.

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Meh, it's not really hard to fix a ship like retri if they are fixing other ships. They can just throw that in while at it.

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Originally by: AstroPhobic

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How about you stop bumping a stupid thread? The balancing team(or guy, or trained ape..) has more pressing issues than boosting a nearly-overpowered race.

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Quit whining about current "broken" ships. Learn to adapt OR DIE. (In-game) That's how it goes. Can't live with that? Go back to World of Warcraft. Sheesh. Quit bumping this idiot.

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Originally by: Aleus Stygian

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Curse and Pilgrim both need more cap. And the Pilgrim needs 200 armor back. Seriously, what the f*ck? Check some threads and videos and loadouts on Battleclinic if you don't believe me.

And then again, I argue that in addition to marginally increased stats for fitting and tank purposes -all- Recon ships need another slot. Strategically placed, of course. High slot in the case of Pilgrims/Curses, high in the case of Falcon/Rook, Low for the Arazu/Lachesis, etc...

Really, the issue that I'm most personally concerned with is the ineffectualness of Force Recon ships. I like them, but aside from just one specific damn thing, or in the case of the Pilgrim nothing, they just don't do anything well or have a niche. Well, not an honorable one, I mean. One that involves actually taking out support ships or pesky BCs or breaking DPS, rather than just preying on lonesome noobs venturing into lowsec with T1 cruisers and mining ships...

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Originally by: Chainsaw Plankton

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arbitrator is fantastic! augoror on the other hand wft do I do with that

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Originally by: Lyria Skydancer

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Well aug is not a biggy really, Id still like to see alot of the other fixes. Many broken ships on that list.

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Originally by: AstroPhobic

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Originally by: Lyria Skydancer

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Well aug is not a biggy really, Id still like to see alot of the other fixes. Many broken ships on that list.

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Stop bumping this thread already. Let it die.

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Originally by: Lyria Skydancer

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But we need to fix our ships. It is sadface to not be able to enjoy all ships when you have trained a race of your liking.

It also says [megathread], must mean alot of replies methinks.

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Originally by: Angelic Eviaran

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Retribution:

-Needs 2 mids. Remove useless 5th utility high and put it in mid. Lets face it, why have a utility slot for a ship with range bonus. Utterly stupid.

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Originally by: Angelic Eviaran

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Edited by: Angelic Eviaran on 15/08/2008 09:48:35
Edited by: Angelic Eviaran on 15/08/2008 09:24:15
New patches come and go but the amarr problem is ignored. There are several ships that are very broken in the amarr fleet. I hope our fixes can also be included when they start fixing other races.

Retribution:

-Needs 2 mids. Remove useless 5th utility high and put it in mid. Lets face it, why have a utility slot for a ship with range bonus. Utterly stupid.

Vengeance:

-Rocket damage needs a boost just like torps got a boost for being close range weapons.

Omen:

-Needs more powergrid. If you cant fit the lowest tier pulses and cant fit anything else after that you know the ship is broken. This ship needs fitting because its a very crummy ship right now.

Maller:

-No use at all. Its a tanking ship of t1 cruiser class = useless. It needs more damage. Give it a damage bonus.

-Or you could keep the tanking bonus but give it a big drone bay.

Augoror:

-Caldari get a shield transfer bonus on their support cruiser, why isn't amarr getting armor transfer instead of cap transfer?

Curse:

-Will be useless after nano nerf. Without nano it has no tank. If you try to run your ew, wich is neuts + td, you dont have any cap for running tank. If you run a tank youre useless. CCP needs to give the curse the ability to inherently run its ew without 50 cap mods in mids and lows. Same goes for pilgrim.

Pilgrim:

-Range issue still not fixed. All other recons have range bonus except pilgrim. This is obviously wrong. Also same problem as curse: Cant inherently run its ew without 50 cap mods.

Sentinel:

-Same problem as curse. Cant inherently run its ew. Sure you can kill inties in it but a combat inty can do that too. This ship is weak. It also is the only ship class that doesnt get a hp boost compared to its t1 hull eventhough its a t2 ship. All EAS needs more armor and hull etc.

Prophecy:

-Epic fail tier 1 bc. There is simply no reason at all to fly this ship. Yes harbinger can outtank it quite well and do twice the damage while doing that.

-This ship needs bigger drone bay to be useful or get more dps by gun bonus or extra turret. The tank bonus + big drone bay can be an allright combo.

Crystals:

-There should be an option to switch crystal type on whole rack, or the ability to instantly switch ammo has little practical use.

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