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Destiny Corrupted
Deadly Viper Kitten Mitten Sewing Company
225
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Posted - 2012.03.23 09:32:00 -
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Patient 2428190 wrote:Sure, the wardec panel hasn't been presented, but its been implied the existing wardec system is apparently unfair to the defender. Expect there to be easy opt out mechanics of some sort to shelter people who don't want to fight. It
I guess a wardec system is better than none at all, but I wouldn't really count on the new wardec mechanic to be as worthwhile as the existing wardec mechanics if they ban hammered all alliance/corp hoppers and dec shields and what not. Inability to shed wars at the expense of severe time limits for them. More severe stacking penalties for wars, fee restructuring. Oversimplified victory conditions (if they manage to devote time to that). Oh well, just wait until Sunday I guess. |
TriadSte
3rd Division
52
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Posted - 2012.03.23 10:24:00 -
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I don't understand the moaning?
The majority of players who sub to Eve are running around in Empire. So CCP should indeed cater to how Empire people feel.
Eve is not "just" a PVP game, therefore CCP have to cater for people who want to build ships etc without being wardecced or harassed.
People only cry in these topics when something doesn't go their way. If you low sec bunnies want to PVP then instead of whoring your 1 system like you do :) Come join us all down in 0.0 where those nasty gate guns won't fire on you. There's too many people in low sec thinking they're tough and hard who are scared $hitless of coming down to 0.0.
Empire should indeed be safe for empire people, aside from ganks which clearly cannot be stopped.
The empire side of Eve needs to be like real life, commit a crime and you will get caught and punished.
The ONLY reason low sec people moan and cry and bi*ch and whine is not enough empire people going into low for them to get simple kills from unprepared pilots.
Pirate tears are the VERY best tears.
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Cipher Jones
372
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Posted - 2012.03.23 11:19:00 -
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Nedes Betternaem wrote:THIS IS AN ABSOLUTE OUTRAGE, EVERYONE GET IN YOUR SHIPS AND START FIRING AT SPACE STATUES NOW!!
Amidoinitrite?
As long as you are shooting with gold ammo.
cipher jones, alone and unloved after his campaign against the evil goonies, resorts to stealing their techniques to become loved |
J3ssica Alba
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
173
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Posted - 2012.03.23 11:20:00 -
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wolftkilla wrote:It is actually quite a concern that CCP does this, even knowing the outrage this is going to cause, Not sure what mindtrack they're on, but from a business point of view for them, its really not going to be doing them any favours -at all-, they will lose money from this, and anger many people again.... its almost like a yearly thing now CCP Annoyance Month.
Fortunately the amount of people who will enjoy this new system far outnumbers your kind To the whiners :-áCCP Soundwave "Incursions are not a big issue in terms of isk globally" CCP Recurve "However, Incursions are not the biggest ISK faucet, bounties are"
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JitaPriceChecker2
State War Academy Caldari State
69
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Posted - 2012.03.23 12:22:00 -
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Terminal Insanity wrote:There is no PVP in highsec anymore. only suicide ganking.
You can now legally exploit mechanics to 100% avoid wardecs. They're also introducing new aggro mechanics so you cant canflip anymore etc.
The carebear infection in eve is starting to take its toll. Soon there will be nothing left but World of Evecraft... So harass those bears while you still can, it wont be possible for much longer
This is just so true.
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JitaPriceChecker2
State War Academy Caldari State
69
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Posted - 2012.03.23 12:24:00 -
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J3ssica Alba wrote:wolftkilla wrote:It is actually quite a concern that CCP does this, even knowing the outrage this is going to cause, Not sure what mindtrack they're on, but from a business point of view for them, its really not going to be doing them any favours -at all-, they will lose money from this, and anger many people again.... its almost like a yearly thing now CCP Annoyance Month.
Fortunately the amount of people who will enjoy this new system far outnumbers your kind
And how long people like you (instant gratification , WoW players etc ) will stay subscribed when all the content provided on the silver platter ends , and people notice everyone flying the best ships possible and nothign means anything any longer ??
I give it 6 months from that point and EVE is dead. |
TriadSte
3rd Division
53
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Posted - 2012.03.23 15:54:00 -
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People have many ways to make great isk in this game. If it affords them the best ships then that's great. The ship was hard earned and deserved.
The big alliances have been doing this for many years to get all the titans available to themselves. many hundreds if not trillions of liquid isk is very easy to these people.
You think that came from aliiances grinding? mining? running sites?
More like Bots and RMT
When CCP eventually put a stop to that, you'll see a massive difference in this game because all those titans will have to be paid for properly and tens and tens of billions per titan and trillion upwards for 10 titans [nothing to say PL] youll pretty much agree that titans numbers will fall massively.
I think that far far outweighs what empire runners earn and buy. |
FloppieTheBanjoClown
The Skunkworks
1168
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Posted - 2012.03.23 16:22:00 -
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Seems I've got a blog for everything lately. Wrote this earlier today:
http://stinkinguplocal.wordpress.com/2012/03/23/why-i-love-highsec-pvp-and-why-we-should-save-it/
Basically, highsec warfare CAN be done right. It's not just for the risk-averse noob bashers; those guys are cowards who give the rest of us bad names. Fighting wars in highsec is FUN if your opponent is competent (or thinks he's competent). What kills it is people who rely on neutral RR, dec scraping, and other BS mechanics to avoid risk.
Highsec without wars makes for a much duller Eve. It's time to put an end to CCP's war on piracy. Fight your own battles and stop asking CCP to do it for you. |
Federigo Mondial
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
14
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Posted - 2012.03.23 16:51:00 -
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Leave high sec pvp alone. Period. And this is coming from a carebear char right here. |
FloppieTheBanjoClown
The Skunkworks
1169
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Posted - 2012.03.23 16:54:00 -
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Federigo Mondial wrote:Leave high sec pvp alone. Period. And this is coming from a carebear char right here.
Don't leave it alone. It sucks right now. Improve it. It's time to put an end to CCP's war on piracy. Fight your own battles and stop asking CCP to do it for you. |
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masternerdguy
Inner Shadow NightSong Directorate
42
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Posted - 2012.03.23 16:57:00 -
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If hi sec pvp ends or is disrupted last year's summer of rage will look like a ccp fan club. Things are only impossible until they are not. |
Lithalnas
Privateers Privateer Alliance
109
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Posted - 2012.03.23 17:06:00 -
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masternerdguy wrote:If hi sec pvp ends or is disrupted last year's summer of rage will look like a ccp fan club.
I don't think so, a vast majority of eve just doesn't give a damn.
Can someone actually explain what was said with some precision, i is very relevant to PRVTR alliance and i am in the middle of class. Privateer Alliance, rebuilding a not so safe High Sec.-á
Want to assist in this endevor? (contract wars, corp/pilot recrutment) Contact one of our directors. |
Terminal Insanity
Convex Enterprises
352
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Posted - 2012.03.23 17:10:00 -
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Lithalnas wrote:masternerdguy wrote:If hi sec pvp ends or is disrupted last year's summer of rage will look like a ccp fan club. I don't think so, a vast majority of eve just doesn't give a damn. Can someone actually explain what was said with some precision, i is very relevant to PRVTR alliance and i am in the middle of class.
Basically you privateers/orphanage people wont be able to RR and then immediately redock.
pwnted =p "War declarations are never officially considered griefing and are not a bannable offense, and it has been repeatedly stated by the developers that the possibility for non-consensual PvP is an intended feature." - CCP |
Lithalnas
Privateers Privateer Alliance
109
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Posted - 2012.03.23 17:17:00 -
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oh that, we had a highsec round table about that and basically the mechanic as discussed yesterday at fanfest would mean that you get agro every time you rep someone which means all peoples, that includes low and null sec people would be affected. Jump deaggro timers on gates would be reset by repping and the result is none of your logi go through. If it hits sisi it would not survive the uproar at logi getting left behind.
i was more wondering what was said about wardecs today,. Privateer Alliance, rebuilding a not so safe High Sec.-á
Want to assist in this endevor? (contract wars, corp/pilot recrutment) Contact one of our directors. |
Lord Helghast
Intergalactic Syndicate Nulli Secunda
62
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Posted - 2012.03.23 17:18:00 -
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Terminal Insanity wrote:There is no PVP in highsec anymore. only suicide ganking.
You can now legally exploit mechanics to 100% avoid wardecs. They're also introducing new aggro mechanics so you cant canflip anymore etc.
The carebear infection in eve is starting to take its toll. Soon there will be nothing left but World of Evecraft... So harass those bears while you still can, it wont be possible for much longer
They arent making can flipping inpossible, there just making it so that if you flip a can or do something illegal your a "suspect" its global not just against the idiot n00b but against anyone, so guess what that tengu that just landed in the belt after you can flipped, can kill your ass because you BROKE THE LAW. |
Sisohiv
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
33
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Posted - 2012.03.23 17:20:00 -
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Just a somewhat condensed leak version, with low accuracy for forum drama.
- they are putting in a war dec system where you can simply ignore it if it's griefer. - Criminal watch stops rewarding stupidity. If you want to play you are going to pay. - Some vague mention of using tags in reputation repare. Not much detail.
So you can't just war dec people willy nilly, you can't use neut alts to stack the deck but they are making it kind of easier to repent? |
Lord Helghast
Intergalactic Syndicate Nulli Secunda
62
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Posted - 2012.03.23 17:20:00 -
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Lithalnas wrote:oh that, we had a highsec round table about that and basically the mechanic as discussed yesterday at fanfest would mean that you get agro every time you rep someone which means all peoples, that includes low and null sec people would be affected. Jump deaggro timers on gates would be reset by repping and the result is none of your logi go through. If it hits sisi it would not survive the uproar at logi getting left behind.
i was more wondering what was said about wardecs today,.
It's a change but its not technically a bad change it just stops the "gate games" that logi play, there are alternative ways to fly and even the gate games arent safe for logi, hell 2,3 bc's jump through and hold cloak for the logi to crash gate and p00f
And if your in a fight and the logi have agro from repping you, you have agro also from fighting, so how is the logi getting left behind....
Yes logi if they stick to keep there fleet alive may die, but guess what! Thats the price the logi pilot pays for keeping those players alive...
Thats also why they said there thinking of ways to get logi onto killmails and things like reinforcement mails, etc... |
Noceur-01 Tiers
Dvice Shipyards
0
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Posted - 2012.03.23 17:22:00 -
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Gotta love all people insinuating it's real pvp to kill off the newbs trying to get started. More solo pvp would be cool but that is not the right kind of solo pvp, that is just pathetic. )) |
Lithalnas
Privateers Privateer Alliance
109
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Posted - 2012.03.23 17:32:00 -
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Quote:- they are putting in a war dec system where you can simply ignore it if it's griefer.
can anyone elaborate on this at all, i know a new wardec system is in the works from the twitter feed on EN24.
If it means that all wars are consensual then i might as well do a distribution of the rainy day fund now. Privateer Alliance, rebuilding a not so safe High Sec.-á
Want to assist in this endevor? (contract wars, corp/pilot recrutment) Contact one of our directors. |
Terminal Insanity
Convex Enterprises
353
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Posted - 2012.03.23 17:34:00 -
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Lord Helghast wrote:Terminal Insanity wrote:There is no PVP in highsec anymore. only suicide ganking.
You can now legally exploit mechanics to 100% avoid wardecs. They're also introducing new aggro mechanics so you cant canflip anymore etc.
The carebear infection in eve is starting to take its toll. Soon there will be nothing left but World of Evecraft... So harass those bears while you still can, it wont be possible for much longer They arent making can flipping inpossible, there just making it so that if you flip a can or do something illegal your a "suspect" its global not just against the idiot n00b but against anyone, so guess what that tengu that just landed in the belt after you can flipped, can kill your ass because you BROKE THE LAW. That would be fine and dandy. The problem is that you're not even allowed to defend yourself against anyone attacking you. "War declarations are never officially considered griefing and are not a bannable offense, and it has been repeatedly stated by the developers that the possibility for non-consensual PvP is an intended feature." - CCP |
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Terminal Insanity
Convex Enterprises
353
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Posted - 2012.03.23 17:35:00 -
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Lithalnas wrote:Quote:- they are putting in a war dec system where you can simply ignore it if it's griefer. can anyone elaborate on this at all, i know a new wardec system is in the works from the twitter feed on EN24. If it means that all wars are consensual then i might as well do a distribution of the rainy day fund now. You should anchor offline towers on as many moons as you can. You'll be able to sell them to people, since you wont be able to wardec a corp to take their POS space in highsec anymore. "War declarations are never officially considered griefing and are not a bannable offense, and it has been repeatedly stated by the developers that the possibility for non-consensual PvP is an intended feature." - CCP |
Kattshiro
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
21
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Posted - 2012.03.23 17:46:00 -
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You could I dunno go to low? |
Vincent Athena
V.I.C.E. Comic Mischief
558
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Posted - 2012.03.23 17:52:00 -
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From the keynote (my recollection, interpretation)
War dec mechanic will be changed to close the loopholes, and to eliminate the need to use loopholes. I assume the loopholes they are talking about are alliance swapping and dec shield. The only thing they mentioned in the way of making using loopholes unneeded is the ability for defending corps to make contracts requesting assistance and mercenary corps to accept them. I am running for the CSM. Take a look at my ideas. http://vincentoneve.wordpress.com/ |
Mathias Hex
Hillcrest Armaments
5
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Posted - 2012.03.23 18:15:00 -
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Ar'ika wrote:Jade Scytale wrote:Terminal Insanity wrote:There is no PVP in highsec anymore. only suicide ganking.
You can now legally exploit mechanics to 100% avoid wardecs. They're also introducing new aggro mechanics so you cant canflip anymore etc.
The carebear infection in eve is starting to take its toll. Soon there will be nothing left but World of Evecraft... So harass those bears while you still can, it wont be possible for much longer Highsec has always been a joke. All this does is push the "pvpers" who are too terrified to leave highsec out of it. Becouse listening to your Fc in a 600 v 600 blob is "proper" pvp, right?
Lowsec isnt blob warfare... Everyone who has a problem with not being able to gank in highsec IS a carebear lol go to lowsec if you can handle a fair fight. Its pretty obvious you want as risk free gameplay as those you call a carebear, take a look in the mirror cuz you look pretty fuzzy to me. |
Callimminniss Prdsk
Cyrix Ltd. Tamanium
0
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Posted - 2012.03.23 18:29:00 -
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I'm reading between the lines here a bit, but I'm assuming the point is that new players can be exposed to PvP without being kicked in the balls so hard they lose all hope and give up. In as far as that goes, how can anyone complain?
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wolftkilla
OMGWTFBBQTIME I Know Right
2
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Posted - 2012.03.23 18:40:00 -
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High sec pvp has never been an issue, So why are they trying to change it, most people do not like change in the first place, there is no need to edit the mechanics of war decs and can flipping, everybody who does it likes/loves the way it is right now, and unless they make it so everybody is red or if you take a can you go red to everybody, people are going to be annoyed, oh wait, CCP are doing this, because they're CCP.. |
Twulf
The Konvergent League Sanctuary Pact
5
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Posted - 2012.03.23 19:02:00 -
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And here I though hardcore PVPers played EVE, how wrong I was.
So many crying about not being able to gang newbies in High sec anymore, yea real hardcore PvP there, killing newbies.
So much for EvE being for hardcore players, what a myth. Seems to be nothng but a bunch of whining gankers that what their instant gradification killmails from killing new players instead of having to put effort and skill into their kills. So sad. |
Zircon Dasher
86
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Posted - 2012.03.23 19:11:00 -
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lulz@ all the people who think ganks are about "the fights" in any way, shape, or form.
You guys srsly brighten my day. |
Qvar Dar'Zanar
EVE University Ivy League
16
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Posted - 2012.03.23 19:39:00 -
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wolftkilla wrote:High sec pvp has never been an issue, So why are they trying to change it, most people do not like change in the first place, there is no need to edit the mechanics of war decs and can flipping, everybody who does it likes/loves the way it is right now, and unless they make it so everybody is red or if you take a can you go red to everybody, people are going to be annoyed, oh wait, CCP are doing this, because they're CCP..
Good luck trying to convince the universe that you and 2 or 3 other griefers are "most people".
You wanted hard mode? There you go, now everybody will be able to kill you. Hard mode. |
Asuri Kinnes
Adhocracy Incorporated Adhocracy
311
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Posted - 2012.03.23 19:40:00 -
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Twulf wrote:And here I though hardcore PVPers played EVE, how wrong I was.
So many crying about not being able to gang newbies in High sec anymore, yea real hardcore PvP there, killing newbies.
So much for EvE being for hardcore players, what a myth. Seems to be nothng but a bunch of whining gankers that what their instant gradification killmails from killing new players instead of having to put effort and skill into their kills. So sad. I'm betting if you had a clue, you would be dangerous....
I'm waiting to see what they come out with on Sunday before I go all :pitchforks:... I suggest everyone else do the same.
Wormholes: The *NEW* end game of Eve - Online: No Local. No Lag. No Blues (No Intell Channesl). No Blobs.
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