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Cedo Nulli
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2012.03.23 21:04:00 -
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Referring to the New launchers
Long awaited and greeted with much joy !
Throwing my hat in the air and clapping hands in pure joy <3
Keep it up CCP ... these things do matter !!! |
OfBalance
Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.03.23 21:14:00 -
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Unironically glad I have a phoenix now.
OPEN SILO BAY DOORS: PREPARE TO LAUNCH.
(Too bad it's still ****, oh well) |
ShadowFire15
BOAE INC GIANTSBANE.
68
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Posted - 2012.03.23 21:16:00 -
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it looks so awesome. cant wait til they come out Stan Smith had a snow storm over weekend guy was shoveling snow outside, so i shot him and mined the snow myself. concord never showed up. on an unrelated note, i have a court date next tuesday |
Buzzmong
Aliastra Gallente Federation
180
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Posted - 2012.03.23 21:45:00 -
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Blimey, you're slow.
CCP posted an official thread almost five hours ago. |
Jack Miton
Lapse Of Sanity Exhale.
152
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Posted - 2012.03.24 00:27:00 -
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VLnWf1sQkjY&ob=av3e
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Alara IonStorm
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Posted - 2012.03.24 01:31:00 -
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Prophecy with four Launchers on a single side...
Prophetic?
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OfBalance
Caldari State
227
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Posted - 2012.03.24 01:38:00 -
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Alara IonStorm wrote:Prophecy with four Launchers on a single side...
Prophetic?
~bombardment~ |
Alara IonStorm
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Posted - 2012.03.24 01:44:00 -
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OfBalance wrote:Alara IonStorm wrote:Prophecy with four Launchers on a single side...
Prophetic?
~bombardment~ Do you think the Prophecy will be in that category.
The Maller and Abbadon are already confirmed for Ships of the Line.
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OfBalance
Caldari State
227
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Posted - 2012.03.24 01:47:00 -
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Alara IonStorm wrote:OfBalance wrote:Alara IonStorm wrote:Prophecy with four Launchers on a single side...
Prophetic?
~bombardment~ Do you think the Prophecy will be in that category. The Maller and Abbadon are already confirmed for Ships of the Line.
I was under the impression all missile ships (without another obvious role: ie. leadership, ewar) were in that category. |
YuuKnow
156
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Posted - 2012.03.24 11:57:00 -
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I hope that they don't make the missiles the stereotypically pointy cones like they showed in the preview. All the traditional aerodynamics don't apply to space, so theire no need for missiles to be sharp-nosed-pointy-cones. They can actually be a little more creative in there missile design and graphics IMHO. Think Homeworld 2. Those missiles were blunt nosed and 6 sided and looked cool in flight. |
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Cedo Nulli
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
85
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Posted - 2012.03.24 13:07:00 -
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YuuKnow wrote:I hope that they don't make the missiles the stereotypically pointy cones like they showed in the preview. All the traditional aerodynamics don't apply to space, so theire no need for missiles to be sharp-nosed-pointy-cones. They can actually be a little more creative in there missile design and graphics IMHO. Think Homeworld 2. Those missiles were blunt nosed and 6 sided and looked cool in flight.
Remember the space oil they need to fly in ! |
stoicfaux
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Posted - 2012.03.24 16:36:00 -
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YuuKnow wrote:I hope that they don't make the missiles the stereotypically pointy cones like they showed in the preview. All the traditional aerodynamics don't apply to space, so theire no need for missiles to be sharp-nosed-pointy-cones. They can actually be a little more creative in there missile design and graphics IMHO. Think Homeworld 2. Those missiles were blunt nosed and 6 sided and looked cool in flight. Aerodynamics might be needed for orbital bombardment in Dust.
You can tell me what is and isn't Truth when you pry the tinfoil from my cold, lifeless head.
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Corina Jarr
Spazzoid Enterprises Purpose Built
618
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Posted - 2012.03.24 17:38:00 -
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Alara IonStorm wrote:OfBalance wrote:Alara IonStorm wrote:Prophecy with four Launchers on a single side...
Prophetic?
~bombardment~ Do you think the Prophecy will be in that category. The Maller and Abbadon are already confirmed for Ships of the Line. That isn't the Prophecy. Its the Damnation. |
Alara IonStorm
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Posted - 2012.03.24 17:43:00 -
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Corina Jarr wrote: That isn't the Prophecy. Its the Damnation.
Is it?
The skin is different then the current and we haven't seen the V3 Skins for ether the Prophecy or the Damnation.
Do you think this is the new Damnation skin?
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Ines Tegator
Towels R Us
158
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Posted - 2012.03.25 06:38:00 -
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There's 2 things I don't like... the old fashioned smoke trails, and the size of the missiles. Regarding the smoke, really, would anyone in the EVE universe, at the scale of EVE combat, still be using chemical propellants? I doubt it. I want to see plasma and ion trails, pls.
Regarding the size, given the volume of fire in a given battle, I'd always assumed missiles were unusually small, low cost delivery hulks for high tech warheads. You've got to fit 1000's of them in a cargohold after all. On the whole though, I like the new effects. Those things just stick out as not fitting the EVE universe properly. |
Kolya Medz
Kolya Inc.
57
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Posted - 2012.03.26 01:41:00 -
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These new launchers and missiles look waaaay too "low tech" to me.. they look just like their modern equivalents. The launchers need a somewhat sleeker, and more minimalist shape. (Since they're obviously built by the Caldari.) The missiles themselves should reflect the design of the empire that manufactures it. |
Ines Tegator
Towels R Us
163
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Posted - 2012.03.26 02:53:00 -
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Kolya Medz wrote: The missiles themselves should reflect the design of the empire that manufactures it. Indeed. The maller update, new scorpion, and reaper all have problems meshing with their racial style. The new Nemesis does as well, and big time (it looks like a kestrel!). I'd say the art team needs a crash course in EVE lore and tech. Yeah it's all fluff, but it's important fluff because it defines the atmosphere of the universe.
I'd always imagined caldari missiles as sleek, swift things that pop out of tube, spin rapidly to orient to their target, and ignite a high acceleration motor and streak off like a shot. Omnidirectional targeting from a single launch point, high tech, high pace. Pure caldari. The demos they've shown would fit much better on Minmatar ships. Which, to be fair, they were shooting an abbadon so maybe that's what we're seeing. |
YuuKnow
157
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Posted - 2012.03.26 04:25:00 -
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stoicfaux wrote:YuuKnow wrote:I hope that they don't make the missiles the stereotypically pointy cones like they showed in the preview. All the traditional aerodynamics don't apply to space, so theire no need for missiles to be sharp-nosed-pointy-cones. They can actually be a little more creative in there missile design and graphics IMHO. Think Homeworld 2. Those missiles were blunt nosed and 6 sided and looked cool in flight. Aerodynamics might be needed for orbital bombardment in Dust.
Nah, its the future. All missiles have atmospheric deflection fields for perfect projected aerodynamics. The missiles can be shaped whatever we want.
yk |
Headerman
Quovis CORE Alliance
724
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Posted - 2012.03.26 04:55:00 -
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YuuKnow wrote:I hope that they don't make the missiles the stereotypically pointy cones like they showed in the preview. All the traditional aerodynamics don't apply to space, so theire no need for missiles to be sharp-nosed-pointy-cones. They can actually be a little more creative in there missile design and graphics IMHO. Think Homeworld 2. Those missiles were blunt nosed and 6 sided and looked cool in flight.
Yeah...
... The shape is actually more to do with how the explosive warhead actually works and the guidance systems than aerodynamics. The Apostle : I want a kangeroo Captain Kirk : Silly Austrians Sarmatiko : Let me guess: you're from US? Captain Kirk : Yeah Riverside IA - why? |
Sinigr Shadowsong
Imperial Guardians The Aurora Shadow
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Posted - 2012.03.26 05:37:00 -
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Too bad after Drake nerf we won't see those launchers often. |
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Alara IonStorm
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Posted - 2012.03.26 15:40:00 -
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Sinigr Shadowsong wrote:Too bad after Drake nerf we won't see those launchers often. Unless you PvP, then you will see new Drakes all the time. |
Darthewok
Perkone Caldari State
37
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Posted - 2012.03.26 15:47:00 -
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New missiles look ssscchhmmmeexxxxyyyyyyy CAVEAT RICHARDUS VOLVERE - YOU HAVE BEEN WARNED http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oHg5SJYRHA0 |
Diomidis
Pod Liberation Authority HYDRA RELOADED
39
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Posted - 2012.03.26 16:11:00 -
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Space is not vacum. Fins might be useless, but sorta aerodynamic shape is good to have. At least better than blunt shapes.
Plus, unlike most of the caldari Caldari designed ship which are horrible in that aspect, aerodynamic or "streamlined" shapes are usually close to the optimal exterior skin/volume/usable space analogies.
Caldari ships are not minimalistic. Period. If Eve ships were designed by aerospace engineers or even industrial engineers would look completely different, with minimal "logic" applied.
Yet, missile launchers look fun - i want to believe that the new Drake will have a new model to accommodate em "War does not determine who is right - only who is left." -- Bertrand Russell |
Sinigr Shadowsong
Imperial Guardians The Aurora Shadow
2
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Posted - 2012.03.27 05:25:00 -
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Alara IonStorm wrote:Sinigr Shadowsong wrote:Too bad after Drake nerf we won't see those launchers often. Unless you PvP, then you will see new Drakes all the time. It seems that drake will become obsolete, both in PvP and PvE. They will replace bonuses with 5% kinetic damage and 10% missile flight time per level or something equal useless, pretty sure they will also screw CPU/PG and shield so Drake will become thin as cruiser. So it will be lesser version of Raven - slow, paper-thin but with long-range weak dps. The only real use for Drake will be for low-SP Caldari pilots who still don't know what Winmatar is. |
Alara IonStorm
1832
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Posted - 2012.03.27 05:51:00 -
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Sinigr Shadowsong wrote: It seems that drake will become obsolete, both in PvP and PvE. They will replace bonuses with 5% kinetic damage and 10% missile flight time per level or something equal useless,
The changes are as follows so far. 5% RoF, 10% Missile Velocity. That isn't useless, RoF gives the ship more DPS with a better selection of Dmg types. Velocity helps with HAM Range, it also allows Heavy Missiles to both hit there targets faster and hit them at longer ranges at the same time as the previous Drake could hit them at shorter ranges.
Sinigr Shadowsong wrote: pretty sure they will also screw CPU/PG and shield so Drake will become thin as cruiser. So it will be lesser version of Raven - slow, paper-thin but with long-range weak dps. The only real use for Drake will be for low-SP Caldari pilots who still don't know what Winmatar is.
That is complete speculation. Drake currently gets as much HP as expected of a Tier 2 Battlecruiser. To think they would nerf that or the PG / CPU which is as expected of the class is alarmist thinking not supported by anything CCP has said. They gave their outline for what they expected it to be and under that the Drake still pulls just as heavy a tank as the other Tier 2 Battlecruisers with great range and good DPS.
The problems with the Raven come from Large Missile Mechanic alone which CCP plans to look at. The Caracals issue is being a lower Tier and poor fitting Two things CCP is fixing.
With the stats they have outlined the Drake will be the best Battlecruiser for level 3 Missions which is the level it should do and be more then effective at PvP good with Range, Tank and DPS.
Unless they make any direct stat nerfs to just the Drake which would put it below the other BC's without making the same style of nerfs to the other BC's which no one at CCP has said they plan to then the Drake will be fine. |
Sinigr Shadowsong
Imperial Guardians The Aurora Shadow
2
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Posted - 2012.03.27 06:19:00 -
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Alara IonStorm wrote: IWith the stats they have outlined the Drake will be the best Battlecruiser for level 3 Missions which is the level it should do and be more then effective at PvP good with Range, Tank and DPS
Best BC for L3 is still and will be Hurricane by far, I'm sure you know it. With nerfed tank Drake will be alfa'ed by 3-7 Tornado/Maels which will always hit (lolsignature). Also, range will not be increased with this. Range on Drake is limited by Targeting range, not by missile flight time. It will only help with HAMs which much harder to fit effectively. On a side not, Caldari have no HAC's/frigs/BS/Capitals that worth using. |
Alara IonStorm
1832
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Posted - 2012.03.27 06:38:00 -
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Sinigr Shadowsong wrote:Best BC for L3 is still and will be Hurricane by far, I'm sure you know it. Not really, active Drakes with 4 BCU's and selectable damage will do better then fine. Sinigr Shadowsong wrote: With nerfed tank Drake will be alfa'ed by 3-7 Tornado/Maels which will always hit (lolsignature).
LOL Drake HP without the bonus can brake 90k EHP so the answer is 9. Not that the 12 it took before will make much difference since Alpha Fleets fly with 30+ Members. [quote=Sinigr Shadowsong] Also, range will not be increased with this. Range on Drake is limited by Targeting range, not by missile flight time. One Sebo or Sig Amp takes care of that. [quote=Sinigr Shadowsong] It will only help with HAMs which much harder to fit effectively and it still will be Close-Range (closer than ACs/Pulses) on slow, paper ship with carrier signature that hardly find room for Ewar modules/Neutralisers and can't choose drones. On a side not, Caldari have no HAC's/frigs/BS/Capitals that worth using. Not that hard to fit and will have 30km Range or 45 with LR Ammo. As for EWAR Arty Canes, Nado's, Baddons and Maels don't fit EWAR on their fleet fits ether.
Lol, the Rokh is being used as a fleet ship now and like all Rail Boats they are considering buffing it further with a DPS bonus. Caldari Frigs are good. Merlin, Hookbill, Hawk, Manti, Harpy. Besides that HAC's, Cruisers, Frigates and all low tier ships are being buffed as well in the same expansion that will balance the Drake with the other BC's.
Since 90% of the Caldari Line Up is being rebalanced saying that the Drake will now be effectively a normal BC is not a bad thing.
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Mfume Apocal
Origin. Black Legion.
373
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Posted - 2012.03.27 06:41:00 -
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Sinigr Shadowsong wrote:On a side not, Caldari have no HAC's/frigs/BS/Capitals that worth using.
cerb is fine, hawk and harpy are fine, scorpion is fine unless you think ECM is wrong and bad, chimera is mostly fine. |
Sinigr Shadowsong
Imperial Guardians The Aurora Shadow
2
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Posted - 2012.03.27 07:08:00 -
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Alara IonStorm wrote: Not really, active Drakes with 4 BCU's and selectable damage will do better then fine ... LOL Drake HP without the bonus can brake 90k EHP so the answer is 9. Not that the 12 it took before will make much difference since Alpha Fleets fly with 30+ Members
It will still be subpar to Hurricane that will have better tank, damage, speed, easier to fit and also selectable damage types but without downsides of using missiles. And with pathetic Capacitor Drake will require dozens of millions of SP to sustation this active tank without low slots. It will be 30-40k EHP after massive nerf, surely shield HP will be nerfed too. It will be casually destroyed by unfocused Maels now. Same time with still weak damage and missile flight time
Alara IonStorm wrote: One Sebo or Sig Amp takes care of that ... Not that hard to fit and will have 30km Range or 45 with LR Ammo. As for EWAR Arty Canes, Nado's, Baddons and Maels don't fit EWAR on their fleet fits ether
Not enough mid slots to fit propulsion+disruptor+tank modules and leave some for sebo. You can't sacrifice tank, it will be weak already with 4 tank modules. 28km is still less than AC/Pulses. Long range ammo for HAMS is useless anyway (too low punch, too harsh penalty). Cane always have spare room for some neuts and you compare long range fits with short range
Alara IonStorm wrote: Lol, the Rokh is being used as a fleet ship now and like all Rail Boats they are considering buffing it further with a DPS bonus ... Caldari Frigs are good. Merlin, Hookbill, Hawk, Manti, Harpy. Besides that HAC's, Cruisers, Frigates and all low tier ships are being buffed as well in the same expansion that will balance the Drake with the other BC's
There are maybe 1 Rokh for 10-20 Maels/Abaddons, check killboards. It's realy that rare. i can't recall devs mentioned another rail buffs though. Caldari frigs are outclassed by other frigs. CCP Never mentioned they gonna buff Cerberus/Eagle and +1 slot and +10 PG on Caracal won't suddenly transform it into Rupture or Stabber. Other low-tier ships are gonna be buffed too and as usual Winmatar will become better in all aspects
Alara IonStorm wrote: Since 90% of the Caldari Line Up is being rebalanced saying that the Drake will now be effectively a normal BC is not a bad thing
Caldari line up won't be rebalanced, just some useless ships will get slight lift ups still staying useless and only useful ships are gonna be nerfed to oblivion. To rebalance Caldari they would have to remake whole idea of missiles and how they work. |
Sinigr Shadowsong
Imperial Guardians The Aurora Shadow
2
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Posted - 2012.03.27 07:13:00 -
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Mfume Apocal wrote: cerb is fine, hawk and harpy are fine, scorpion is fine unless you think ECM is wrong and bad, chimera is mostly fine.
Cerb will be fine when it will be used as often as Zealot/Vaga. Same goes with Chimera and Nyx/Archon. Scorpion is a niche and not for everyone, still it could have better tank. |
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