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THEGREAT LOBO
Beyond Divinity Inc
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Posted - 2008.08.27 18:52:00 -
[841]
i never got to see it as well :(
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Donatien de'Sade
Tribal Liberation Force
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Posted - 2008.08.27 18:53:00 -
[842]
Posting in support
CCP
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Schalac
Caldari Apocalypse Reign
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Posted - 2008.08.27 18:53:00 -
[843]
Originally by: JoDan Troikian
Originally by: Schalac
Originally by: Zomiaen
Originally by: Schalac
Originally by: JoDan Troikian In closing, CCP restore the caps that ALREADY existed in hisec, as you had a "gentleman's" agreement with these players, and they did indeed enrich many young players experience, not just mine.
How about no. What is the point of a veldspar mining dread? Other than the fact that it has a tank that would take many many BSs to suicide it? They are right, no exceptions should be made. If you want to fly a cap ship then do it in low sec where you can actually use the thing for what it's purpose is.
You have no idea about the history of the Veldnought and the other capitals? Chribba built the thing there before CCP changed that, and never bothered to move it, instead using it to show anyone who wanted to see it (and of course, mining veldspar). What's the point of a veldspar mining dread? Why not? It's a piece of EVE history now, and since other high-sec capitals haven't been moved, there is no reason for it to have been, or for any of the others to be moved.
They are like museum pieces, for example, if you've ever been to New York or heard of it, the USS Intrepid. Part of the Intrepid Sea, Air & Space Museum. The ship wasn't meant to be used as a museum, but yet it is. Think of the Veldnought as the same, and there you have it.
Nor do I care about the history of it.
Also the USS intrepid severed its time in war. What has the veldnought done besides mined ore in an almost completely safe from suicide ganks platform?
You are a shining example of fail sir. Go back to WoW or whatever Runescape-esque cesspool that you came from. A few of us actually care about this game, and from the amount of posts here, I would say you have again, missed the point. It has no bearing that it is Chribba. It has everything to do with what was Already in place, and it carrys a certain value with the playerbase. Troll elsewhere.
So I'm a WOW fanboy now because I don't care about some guy that mines in a dread? I'll tell you what is truly fail. Using a frackin dread to mine veldspar. That is the very definition of fail. In high sec no less. "Oh look at the dread OOOOH AHHHH OOOOOOOOH..." Really.
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Jamie Freely
Gallente Trading and Industry LLC
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Posted - 2008.08.27 18:54:00 -
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I would like to see a response from CCP as to why they felt a need to change the system.
I understand why they stopped allowing capitals in high-sec but if CCP feels it was to level the field then I call for removal of all T2 BPO as we can no longer get them. Also the removal of all the STATE special ships because we are no longer able to get these within the game mechanics.
I would like to at least read why CCP felt the need to change the system even if I have no say or able to respond.
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Uncle Mo
Infusion. The Firm.
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Posted - 2008.08.27 18:56:00 -
[845]
I have read this thread.
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Neermark
JotunHeim Hird X13 Alliance
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Posted - 2008.08.27 18:57:00 -
[846]
Originally by: Jamie Freely I would like to see a response from CCP as to why they felt a need to change the system.
I understand why they stopped allowing capitals in high-sec but if CCP feels it was to level the field then I call for removal of all T2 BPO as we can no longer get them. Also the removal of all the STATE special ships because we are no longer able to get these within the game mechanics.
I would like to at least read why CCP felt the need to change the system even if I have no say or able to respond.
If we want a fair game all high end learning implants should be ripped out off peoples clones because we can't get that either !!!
Shame on you CCP. So much for promoting a democratic mmo...
Yay For the new ALIGN BUTTON !!!! |
Guttripper
State War Academy
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Posted - 2008.08.27 19:00:00 -
[847]
Perhaps the macro miners complained they could not get a dread to defend themselves from getting ganked...
While I never saw the ship, I would like to see it returned to high security space. It is a relic of the old days still active today. But if CCP is "cleaning house", then perhaps they should just delete most of the chronicles too, since those are relics in their own right.
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Ga'len
Neo Spartans
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Posted - 2008.08.27 19:01:00 -
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Wow, page 29 and no formal response from CCP.
Looks like Sony Online Entertainment is calling the shots now people. This is the EXACT same thing they did to their playerbase with Star Wars Galaxies.
You would think, with all the server performance issues causing lag that they would have addressed what needed to be addressed.
This action is complete and utter bull.
Look, Lean Six Sigma quick wins always result in a corporate failure, SOE learned that lesson the hard way.
CCP, listen up, you are really screwing yourselves by turning your customers against you.
Come fanfest, you ALL will be catching an earful from many players.
Be ready.
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Gonada
Gallente R0ADKILL
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Posted - 2008.08.27 19:02:00 -
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Originally by: Schalac
Quote: So I'm a WOW fanboy now because I don't care about some guy that mines in a dread? I'll tell you what is truly fail. Using a frackin dread to mine veldspar. That is the very definition of fail. In high sec no less. "Oh look at the dread OOOOH AHHHH OOOOOOOOH..." Really.
yes you are the typical WoW fanboy... IE stupid as hell.
pull your head out of your arse and do some investigating before you spout off again you idiot.
in EvE, there are some individuals that do more for the game then the devs themselves.
Please, jump into traffic
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Gimpb
Sturmgrenadier Inc Cosmic Anomalies
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Posted - 2008.08.27 19:02:00 -
[850]
Originally by: LaVista Vista Dear CCP.
I hope for you that this actually makes a different beyond upsetting the community.
It better cure 2 types of cancer and solve all lag. Else, this is a horrible horrible move which in my eyes, should be reversed
Much Love Me.
Yep, if there's a good reason... a really good reason, then so be it.
Perhaps I'm blind, but I see no such reason.
All this sort of thing does is **** people off. Collector's items are a big part of eve, and a high sec cap is a collector's item.
So... why? Just why? As the saying goes, if it isn't broken, don't fix it. So... why?
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Larkonis Trassler
Neo Spartans
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Posted - 2008.08.27 19:02:00 -
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I'd just like to add to my previous statement. I am a Hisec cap ship owner and for the record mine has not been moved yet (although I'm waiting for them to come for me).
I bought it as a toy, something to sit around in and play with when I was bored. It served no real purpose, I had a carrier in lowsec for that.
Take it away from me for good reason and I personally won't be bothered, but if I had been in Chribba's position and awoke to find it moved, well, rage. I was planning on selling it maybe in the near future (had offers of up to 5 bil) but it didn't cost me much more than a vanilla Thanny in the first place, nothing lost nothing gained.
At least some reason should have been given, and the lack of Dev responses in this thread is indicitive of their current contempt for the player base. Taking down LSAA's in hisec with the Rorqual inbound I agree with, but this serves no purpose other than to alienate players (mainly due to Chribba and the holy Veldnaught, had it happened to anyone else I doubt there would have been such an outcry). The devs need to really look at the route their taking with this game and have a long hard think about what they're doing. Even a relatively minor change has provoked this outcry amongst the community despite it not affecting 99% of the posters in this thread. Assumption of Risk |
Sral TBear
Mark Of Chaos
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Posted - 2008.08.27 19:03:00 -
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its sad. Many new players had there cap ship thrill goal set after seing the veldnaught...
CCP eve made werry clear rules about those left in empire. They could not under any cirkumstance be used in agony, agression or something that just smells like combat, or they would be removed.
If someone have broken that rule, a general punishment is not ok
If its because of someone calling it cheat etc, all i can say...grow up, a "market" ship at 1 BIL even 2 Bil stuck in empire with no way comming back in.....get over it...
But if those who have them are using them to get isk (let them become werry rare and sell them for lots of isk) i have a problem with it. These empire cap ships are kinda of milestones in eve, what happend the day the caps got stuck in eve, you know what i meen.....
Im sad they are gone, but if they remove monuments, there is the eve gate, the giant black thingy, Titan wrecks etc...lets remove all player driven content.....and let eve become a static world (space) game like WOW
Tbear
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V0idz
Herrscher der Zeit
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Posted - 2008.08.27 19:07:00 -
[853]
+ support.
an official word from ccp would be nice. _____________________________________ EVE is like the "Fisherman's Friend" of MMOs. If it's too hard, you are too weak. |
baltec1
Antares Shipyards Vanguard.
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Posted - 2008.08.27 19:08:00 -
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Originally by: Schalac So I'm a WOW fanboy now because I don't care about some guy that mines in a dread? I'll tell you what is truly fail. Using a frackin dread to mine veldspar. That is the very definition of fail. In high sec no less. "Oh look at the dread OOOOH AHHHH OOOOOOOOH..." Really.
That ship is/was the eve equivilent of the HMS Belfast in london. The fact that it was used for mining was what made it so special. Hundreds of people have flown to amarr just to see it.
Also if it was not for a veldnought interview posted on the SWG forums I would not have even known about this game. CCP better have a damn good reason for this.
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Ga'len
Neo Spartans
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Posted - 2008.08.27 19:09:00 -
[855]
Originally by: V0idz + support.
an official word from ccp would be nice.
Well, we are now coming into page 30, good luck on any honest response from CCP. Looks like when CCP Taera passed away, so did the respect for their customers, it's like she was the only one that really cared anymore.
I really hope that is not true.
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Vincent Gaines
Avis de Captura
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Posted - 2008.08.27 19:09:00 -
[856]
Edited by: Vincent Gaines on 27/08/2008 19:14:27 Somewhere in Iceland.....
"Ok gents, let's see...war decs are out of whack, lag is horrific, there's no bounty system, there's a huge imbalance shipwise in the game, 0.0 alliances are stagnating especially with cynojammers, the market is in shambles because of farming, our database is 2 years old, low sec is a barren wasteland, inflation and personal wealth is srsly high, oh, and some idiots tried to smartbomb the Veldnought. Shit, a cap in hi sec? Oh HELL no!"
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Benny Honna
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Posted - 2008.08.27 19:10:00 -
[857]
Could it have been removed because of the Hammerfail incident? I assume that would technically be PVP if Hi-sec cap owners were not allowed to participate.
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Reyrith
Shadow Company G00DFELLAS
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Posted - 2008.08.27 19:11:00 -
[858]
It saddens me to see CCP do something like this.
You, at the very least, owe the playerbase a statement on why you carried out an unmotivated change. |
Conq Er
Sweetrock Mining
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Posted - 2008.08.27 19:11:00 -
[859]
I blame Hammerfail Industries!!!
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Stepler
Sturmgrenadier Inc Cosmic Anomalies
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Posted - 2008.08.27 19:13:00 -
[860]
Posting in support of this. CCP needs to respond to this - I don't see what possible good this nerf does. Like others said, maybe I cannot see it, but if there is once CCP needs to clearly state their reasoning, otherwise they're going to come off looking like tools nerfing things for no reason.
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Sierra Rogue
Amarr Imperial Academy
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Posted - 2008.08.27 19:13:00 -
[861]
let me tell you why this bothers me..I've not invested years of my life here, I'm a hit and run player, in for a month or 2 then on to something else, but I always come back because of the depth of gameplay. I'm amazed that such a game exists where, if you really dedicate yourself to it, you can own a carrier, a mothership, a dread..it's a real accomplishment. Random changes like this destroy the immersion, and devalues the hard work of people like Chribba. What they did here was say, "hey, these are just pixels, they're meaningless, let's just **** shit up, who cares". Well, it matters..CCP, put his ship back, and don't touch any of the other ones either...then, come on these forums and apologize for even THINKING UP this bullshit...then, don't EVER be so cavalier with your players, especially one like chribba who has, with all of his various sites, PUT MONEY IN YOUR ****ING POCKET, BECAUSE NO OTHER GAME HAS THIS MUCH PLAYER DEDICATION, IT'S A SELLING POINT WHEN PEOPLE ARE CONSIDERING SUBSCRIBING TO EVE, YOU ****ING MORONS!!!! JESUS CHRIST!! /rant off
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Aurore Delilah
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Posted - 2008.08.27 19:14:00 -
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Originally by: Conq Er I blame Hammerfail Industries!!!
Wardec Hammerfail industries for this outrage!!
Honestly though, CCP, If you've ONLY moved Chribbas Veldnaught and left other high sec caps as they are (as seems apparent from the other high sec cap owners posting in this thread), then you owe Chribba an explanation at the least, And possibly an apology as well. |
Hemroid
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Posted - 2008.08.27 19:14:00 -
[863]
Originally by: Dizeezer Velar i blame hammerfall ceo
^^This
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Ga'len
Neo Spartans
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Posted - 2008.08.27 19:15:00 -
[864]
Originally by: Stepler Posting in support of this. CCP needs to respond to this - I don't see what possible good this nerf does. Like others said, maybe I cannot see it, but if there is once CCP needs to clearly state their reasoning, otherwise they're going to come off looking like tools nerfing things for no reason.
Yup, they must be nerfing for no reason other than to **** off the community.
Come on people, we need to keep this going. CCP needs to TRULY understand that their contempt for the playerbase (as Larkonis Trassler, my CEO and in game GOD put it) needs to stop.
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Cs3Sl2
Caldari Wreckless Abandon Un-Natural Selection
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Posted - 2008.08.27 19:15:00 -
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Originally by: Terianna Eri
Originally by: Darkireland So was this done for any reason other than to show the player base ccp no longer gives a shit about them?
With all due respect to CCP I'm pretty sure that the decision to do this wasn't made with a "hur hur, let's make sure everyone hates us" attitude.
Nevertheless...
You guys are sure doing a good job of making sure of just that.
Seriously. I'm not particularly angry - I can't be, it's not my game - but I am disappointed. I am disappointed in whoever thought this was a good, or even acceptable, idea, and disappointed in whoever condoned the action, and disappointed in everyone who heard about it and didn't speak up with "are you insane? It's the freaking veldnaught?" Why in the world would you do this? Was Chribba dominating the Amarr market for Veldspar and you're nerfing him directly? Did being able to fit 3 mining lasers to a capital ship give him an unfair advantage? (How much veld/sec does the veldnaught even eat anyway)
Or was it like "hey, this is a minor, meaningless inconsistency with the game, better fix it and get it out of the way."?
Or was it some GM who didn't quite realize why exactly the veldnaught - and other hisec capitals - were still in hisec in the first place, and just made an honest mistake?
The Veldnaught is famous. People travel from all over New Eden to get a look at it. How else is a new player likely to see a capital and get that sense of scale, without getting blown up in some supercapital fight?
What possible reason could there be to do this?
Fun fact - favoritism is only a bad thing if it goes to undeserving people or if it provides a real benefit to the player. Chribba of all people is deserving of such a thing and I think everyone knows it. And to be honest, having the privelige of mining in a dreadnaught in Amarr isn't really a benefit. It's just cool.
CCP... you're slipping, and it makes me very sad. Faction warfare is meaningless - I thought you were going to let us, the players, actually affect something, but taking control of systems - really the only thing you can do aside from shoot other people - is pointless, so you spent 1-2 years designing, basically, what Red vs. Blue did first. The speed changes are imho excessive - it's like you brainstormed all the ways you could nerf speed, and then did all of them at once. You've nerfed privateers long ago (by the way, that was lame), are going to nerf suicide ganking in the near future (yep, protect those people too lazy to protect themselves, that's what EVE is about... right?), and I'm not looking forward to your changes to the wardec mechanisms - you're talking about giving us specific goals and victory conditions, but hey, you promised that with FW and look where that got us. And most disturbingly you seem to have this tendency to make changes to the game with a huge freaking hammer, ****ing all over what the players have worked hard to make. Get rid of all junk cans? fine. Get rid of the collective history of the new eden system and the eve gate, all the cans put there by players? lame. Forcing Azia to move her cemetery? lame. Get any combative capitals out of highsec? fine. Move an iconic ship belonging to the one player who has probably done the most for you? (Eve-files, eve-search, etc) Very, very lame.
Let's be honest here. EVE's gameplay isn't the best. It needs some work. But half the reason I stick with the game is because I think you folks at CCP do a good job and genuinely care about the players and what we've done.
I still think you do. But you're choosing a really, really terrible way to go about it. ... And it's harder to believe, now, that you're not going to keep trashing what the players have done like this for the sake of equality and consistency, so you can present that face to the new players you're always trying to bring in.
So I'm not angry, but I am... Disappointed... Worried...
And feeling cheated.
Turn yourselves around, CCP. ~Terianna Eri
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Cs3Sl2
Caldari Wreckless Abandon Un-Natural Selection
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Posted - 2008.08.27 19:16:00 -
[866]
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ This
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Traidor Disloyal
I Am Not A Lawyer
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Posted - 2008.08.27 19:16:00 -
[867]
Originally by: Sierra Rogue PUT MONEY IN YOUR ****ING POCKET, BECAUSE NO OTHER GAME HAS THIS MUCH PLAYER DEDICATION, IT'S A SELLING POINT WHEN PEOPLE ARE CONSIDERING SUBSCRIBING TO EVE, YOU ****ING MORONS!!!! JESUS CHRIST!! /rant off
Oh yeah, that's going to get em to respond. They going to come a runnin now.
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P'uck
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Posted - 2008.08.27 19:17:00 -
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IF theyre going to do this, they should get their act together, imho. I mean... I can see, why CCP wants to get the last caps out of highsec. But still... eve, sandbox and all. they could be a LOT more creative about it... ie, get a drunken dev eidolon raid to gank the living shit out of the veldnaught.
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Corduroy Rab
Xenocidal Uprising
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Posted - 2008.08.27 19:17:00 -
[869]
I really do hope this was a mistake.
With all the other issues in this game wasting time to do something like this is crazy. I would really love to hear CCPs reason for this, because sitting from my seat it looks like CCP just caused much outrage for no real reason.
I have usually tried to be supportive of the stances CCP have taken but with this I cannot, setting CCP to -5.0
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Sierra Rogue
Amarr Imperial Academy
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Posted - 2008.08.27 19:18:00 -
[870]
Originally by: Traidor Disloyal
Originally by: Sierra Rogue PUT MONEY IN YOUR ****ING POCKET, BECAUSE NO OTHER GAME HAS THIS MUCH PLAYER DEDICATION, IT'S A SELLING POINT WHEN PEOPLE ARE CONSIDERING SUBSCRIBING TO EVE, YOU ****ING MORONS!!!! JESUS CHRIST!! /rant off
Oh yeah, that's going to get em to respond. They going to come a runnin now.
Are you unfamiliar with the term "rant?"
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