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Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3404
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Posted - 2012.03.26 03:01:00 -
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DarthNefarius wrote:U MAD BRO?
what a comeback m8 "WeGÇÖre a professional Merc Alliance, like PL" ~ snot shot, 2012 |
DarthNefarius
102
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Posted - 2012.03.26 03:02:00 -
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Lapine Davion wrote:So basically you were in a highsec incursion with a goon a really, really long time ago, and don't know anything about it since.
Okay, glad we cleared that up.
Well actually there is more but I'm not going to talk about it To the whiners : CCP Soundwave "Incursions are not a big issue in terms of isk globally"
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Lapine Davion
Outer Ring Applied Logistics
33
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Posted - 2012.03.26 03:05:00 -
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DarthNefarius wrote:Lapine Davion wrote:So basically you were in a highsec incursion with a goon a really, really long time ago, and don't know anything about it since.
Okay, glad we cleared that up. Well actually there is more but I'm not going to talk about it
Then I suppose it doesn't count. So for all intents you know nothing about incursioning with goons. |
Endeavour Starfleet
728
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Posted - 2012.03.26 03:40:00 -
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DarthNefarius wrote:Andski wrote:DarthNefarius wrote:Andski wrote:Fronkfurter McSheebleton wrote:Relatively speaking, incursions are quite risky compared to other forms of pve. Players lose several billion isk worth of ships a day in them, not counting the ones that get ganked. Comparatively, how much do you folks think is lost running missions, exploring, or mining? (again, not counting ganks... The fact that you idiots lose your pimped Nightmares to rats does not make them substantially riskier than any other form of PvE. The fact that pubbies choose to invest idiotic amounts of ISK into their incursion ships, an investment that will take ages to recoup, does not make them risky If I cynojammed a system, dropped 200km of T2 large bubbles on all the gates, offlined the jump bridge to keep out awoxers and managed to lose an untanked faction-fit AFK ratting carrier to rats, that wouldn't make ratting in closed-off systems risky by any means. It'd just make me an idiot. Yes U are an idiot ( for other reasons : ) Risk is defined as: riskGÇé GÇé/r+¬sk/ Show Spelled[risk] Show IPA noun 1. exposure to the chance of injury or loss; a hazard or dangerous chance: It's not worth the risk. and you're a worthless risk-averse mouth breathing pubbie bye U MAD BRO?
This. Nuff said
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Mara Rinn
Cosmic Industrial Complex Cosmic Consortium
1083
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Posted - 2012.03.26 03:44:00 -
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Taiwanistan wrote:wtf is there to know about incursions, it's pretty simple really, theres the first kind shoot niarjas, tamas, schmaels, commander then the second kind deltole deltole auga deltoe sort by velocity, blap the frigs, focus fire on the bs hey why are you not shooting, boot that guy in the middle of a site lol, oh incoming contest fleet, logis bump their gun ships, everybody else shoot the cruisers rack up more hp-damaged if you are amongst scrub you use 3x logis if you are shiney use 2x logis and squeeze a tracking link for ffs
Then there's the handholding for the people who are new to Incursions and scared of things that shoot back at them, continually arranging replacements for people who are leaving in two or three sites, keeping eyes on D-scan to watch for gank fleets, ensuring the site is clear before activating the gate, keeping intel up on how many folks are in the other assault/vanguard systems, coping with the inevitable drama from people who feel they aren't getting enough attention, arguments about whether two scimis is better than two 5/1 basis, yadda yadda.
Of course if you have a collection of friends who share the same interests as you, the workload becomes much lower. Kick out the drama queen (unless he's actually entertaining), focus on trimming down the completion times as much as possible. Once again proving that the most valuable asset in this game is friends you can trust.
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Reaver Glitterstim
Resurrected Darkness
56
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Posted - 2012.03.26 04:00:00 -
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Ladie Harlot wrote:Cipher Jones wrote:Right. Because when a logi DC's due to server lag its because the logi is stupid. Not you. You are bloody brilliant. And also you cant be ganked in Incursions.
Logis disconnecting? The horror...how do you even manage to undock with that threat hanging over you? You highsec pubbies are hilarious.
I'm surrounded by pubbies! Rescue me!! <3 -á"The Mittani: Hated By Badposters i'm strangely comfortable with it" -Mittens |
Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3404
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Posted - 2012.03.26 04:16:00 -
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Endeavour Starfleet wrote:This. Nuff said
quiet worm "WeGÇÖre a professional Merc Alliance, like PL" ~ snot shot, 2012 |
Nambr1
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
1
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Posted - 2012.03.26 04:28:00 -
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Andski wrote:Fronkfurter McSheebleton wrote:Relatively speaking, incursions are quite risky compared to other forms of pve. Players lose several billion isk worth of ships a day in them, not counting the ones that get ganked. Comparatively, how much do you folks think is lost running missions, exploring, or mining? (again, not counting ganks... The fact that you idiots lose your pimped Nightmares to rats does not make them substantially riskier than any other form of PvE. The fact that pubbies choose to invest idiotic amounts of ISK into their incursion ships, an investment that will take ages to recoup, does not make them risky. If I cynojammed a system, dropped 200km of T2 large bubbles on all the gates, offlined the jump bridge to keep out awoxers and managed to lose an untanked faction-fit AFK ratting carrier to rats, that wouldn't make ratting in closed-off systems risky by any means. It'd just make me an idiot.
lol
this is funny ....
Better say .... u cynojammed a system, dropped 200km of T2 large bubbles on all the gates, offlined the jump bridge to keep out awoxers and turn on ur BOT.
In last 24 hours in ur region over 150 000 npcs r killed (26/03/2012). So tell me 1 thing. If there is more isk in inc, and u r farming for isk in 0.0, and u r not doing incursions, ppl dont need lot of intelligence to say one of two things:
1. U r stupid bc u r wasting ur time to farm for less isk 2. U r using bot
Ofc 2nd one is right one. Better to get half less using bot and play another game, watch tv .... then to use 3-4-5 hours of ur time to get isk from incursions.
And yes .... nerf inc (but really dont know why, there r no bots there, u cant be afk ... ) , but then remove anomalies from game and kill bots. :D |
Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3404
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Posted - 2012.03.26 04:37:00 -
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i don't understand aspie, sorry "WeGÇÖre a professional Merc Alliance, like PL" ~ snot shot, 2012 |
Ladie Harlot
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2175
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Posted - 2012.03.26 05:46:00 -
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Oh god the irony
The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet. |
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Fronkfurter McSheebleton
Squirrel Horde Habitat Against Humanity
77
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Posted - 2012.03.26 11:03:00 -
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[quote=Andski][quote=Fronkfurter McSheebleton]Relatively speaking, incursions are quite risky compared to other forms of pve. Players lose several billion isk worth of ships a day in them, not counting the ones that get ganked. Comparatively, how much do you folks think is lost running missions, exploring, or mining? (again, not counting ganks...[/quote
The fact that you idiots lose your pimped Nightmares to rats does not make them substantially riskier than any other form of PvE. The fact that pubbies choose to invest idiotic amounts of ISK into their incursion ships, an investment that will take ages to recoup, does not make them risky
If I cynojammed a system, dropped 200km of T2 large bubbles on all the gates, offlined the jump bridge to keep out awoxers and managed to lose an untanked faction-fit AFK ratting carrier to rats, that wouldn't make ratting in closed-off systems risky by any means. It'd just make me an idiot.[/quote I don't appreciate being lumped in with that crowd...only pirate ship I've ever owned is a daredevil. [:ugh:
Losing a ship does happen. Losing in a VG site because of anything that isn't DCing logi is plain dumb, but make no mistake, even a well-tanked battleship will die in seconds to most of the sites. It's not like the anoms you nullbears can run solo in your ratting carriers with 8-figure price tags. In an HQ or assault, for example, if you miss your broadcast by even a few seconds you're in danger of popping. Logis sometimes get alpha'd, even...especially in mom sites. No, it's not as risky as running around in null...but the pve content itself is more dangerous than any other in eve, and requires a LOT more coordination than anything but wormholes
Also, the expensive fits people use in vanguards aren't to make more isk/hr, they're to win sites. VGs are crowded. However, the most you typically see is faction damage mods, sebos, and webbers, maybe a tank mod or two....It's not like they're all uber rich carebears who run these things 23/7...that's the exception, not the rule.
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Xemnus
Dark Star Confederation
1
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Posted - 2012.03.30 22:35:00 -
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Ladie Harlot wrote:Hopefully high sec incursions will no longer be the risk-free isk faucet they are today. Lucky we got a decent CSM to deal with the issue.
I don't understand how High Sec incursions are an issue? Personally, they help me to fund for a reason to join low sec roams or even participate in PVP. What happens if I lost every cent of isk I have, and lost all of my ships because I have no way to fund myself in high sec? I don't mine or any of that. I shoot to kill. Missions? Yeah... no. That's not enough. |
Reaver Glitterstim
Resurrected Darkness
96
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Posted - 2012.03.30 22:50:00 -
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Xemnus wrote:Ladie Harlot wrote:Hopefully high sec incursions will no longer be the risk-free isk faucet they are today. Lucky we got a decent CSM to deal with the issue. I don't understand how High Sec incursions are an issue? Personally, they help me to fund for a reason to join low sec roams or even participate in PVP. What happens if I lost every cent of isk I have, and lost all of my ships because I have no way to fund myself in high sec? I don't mine or any of that. I shoot to kill. Missions? Yeah... no. That's not enough. Support my insurance proposal and you won't have to worry about catastrophic loss.
Minor loss...now that's different and I would say HTFU. -á"The Mittani: Hated By Badposters i'm strangely comfortable with it" -Mittens |
Farang Lo
State War Academy Caldari State
11
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Posted - 2012.03.30 23:55:00 -
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Taiwanistan wrote:Endeavour Starfleet wrote:Ladie Harlot wrote:Cipher Jones wrote:Right. Because when a logi DC's due to server lag its because the logi is stupid. Not you. You are bloody brilliant. And also you cant be ganked in Incursions.
Logis disconnecting? The horror...how do you even manage to undock with that threat hanging over you? You highsec pubbies are hilarious. Some goons not knowing anything about Incursions is even moreso. You should learn a bit from your CSM Chairman. wtf is there to know about incursions, it's pretty simple really, theres the first kind shoot niarjas, tamas, schmaels, commander then the second kind deltole deltole auga deltoe sort by velocity, blap the frigs, focus fire on the bs hey why are you not shooting, boot that guy in the middle of a site lol, oh incoming contest fleet, logis bump their gun ships, everybody else shoot the cruisers rack up more hp-damaged if you are amongst scrub you use 3x logis if you are shiney use 2x logis and squeeze a tracking link for ffs christ really endavor butthurt if you don't know ask somebody.
you, sir, make my day |
Simi Kusoni
HelloKittyFanclub
424
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Posted - 2012.03.31 00:31:00 -
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Xemnus wrote:I don't understand how High Sec incursions are an issue? Personally, they help me to fund for a reason to join low sec roams or even participate in PVP. What happens if I lost every cent of isk I have, and lost all of my ships because I have no way to fund myself in high sec? I don't mine or any of that. I shoot to kill. Missions? Yeah... no. That's not enough. The point is that once, when Eve was truly a sandbox, high level PvE and PvP were inseparable. Now it just smacks of instancing and ISK grinding.
Where once you were competing against other players, attempting to avoid their attempts to kill you and make ISK regardless, now there are vast low-value PvP zones (low and null) and PvE high sec raids. It's just instancing dressed up pretty and marketed as "sandbox" style game play. It is not.
For individual players the only high profit low/null sec activity that competes with incursions is exploration, and that is instanced too. Any competent explorer sticks an alt on the acceleration gate, has ECM drones and moves around by cyno or in a nulli T3. There is no risk there either.
PvE has gone down hill in this game purely because now it is no longer integrated with PvP, the two primary elements of Eve are slowly being separated and personally I think it makes PvE one hell of a lot more boring. NPCs are simply not interesting, nor are they a challenge.
I want PvE to be difficult again
--Will Support Your Terrible Forum Thread For ISK-- |
Princess Bride
Corripe Cervisiam Trade Consortium
380
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Posted - 2012.03.31 00:35:00 -
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Ladie Harlot wrote:Zircon Dasher wrote:Ladie Harlot wrote:Hopefully high sec incursions will no longer be the risk-free isk faucet they are today. Lucky we got a decent CSM to deal with the issue. So you think CCP is going to mandate players shoot each other to gain the incursion rewards?? Would be interesting I don't really care about the mechanics but people shouldn't be able to make that much isk in a risk-free environment.
So you're saying we should ban theta? http://eveprincessbride.wordpress.com/ |
Zircon Dasher
106
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Posted - 2012.03.31 00:46:00 -
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Simi Kusoni wrote: The point is that once, when Eve was truly a sandbox, high level PvE and PvP were inseparable. Now it just smacks of instancing and ISK grinding. Where once you were competing against other players, attempting to avoid their attempts to kill you and make ISK regardless, now there are vast low-value PvP zones (low and null) and PvE high sec raids. It's just instancing dressed up pretty and marketed as "sandbox" style game play. It is not. For individual players the only high profit low/null sec activity that competes with incursions is exploration, and that is instanced too. Any competent explorer sticks an alt on the acceleration gate, has ECM drones and moves around by cyno or in a nulli T3. There is no risk there either. PvE has gone down hill in this game purely because now it is no longer integrated with PvP, the two primary elements of Eve are slowly being separated and personally I think it makes PvE one hell of a lot more boring. NPCs are simply not interesting, nor are they a challenge. I want PvE to be difficult again
I was going to post a link to a youtube vid of Bruce Springsteen singing "Glory Days", but I am not sure if you would have gotten the reference.
There was never a time when PVE and PVP were inseperable.
For individual players incursions are worth less than L3 missions.
Nobody stops you from fitting for PVP while doing PVE content in places where people want to shoot you. |
DarthNefarius
Ssssansha'S Deathhead Einsatzgruppen
112
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Posted - 2012.03.31 00:54:00 -
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I predict no matter how much CCP nerfs Incursions it won't be enought for everyone in WhiteHoles & Null and they will ***** & throw Incursions under the bus in order to deflect attention at thier Income Faucets be it Nanoribbons, blue loot, moon goo or bounties. This is Forum PvP and CCP reacting to a bunch of whiners which make up less then 1% of Eve just like they listened to those that forced the banning of you know who for 30 days. And Caesar's spirit, raging for revenge, With Ate by his side come hot from hell, Shall in these confines with a monarch's voice Cry "Havoc!" and let slip the dogs of war,That this foul deed... -á |
Zircon Dasher
106
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Posted - 2012.03.31 00:55:00 -
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Princess Bride wrote:Ladie Harlot wrote:Zircon Dasher wrote:Ladie Harlot wrote:Hopefully high sec incursions will no longer be the risk-free isk faucet they are today. Lucky we got a decent CSM to deal with the issue. So you think CCP is going to mandate players shoot each other to gain the incursion rewards?? Would be interesting I don't really care about the mechanics but people shouldn't be able to make that much isk in a risk-free environment. So you're saying we should ban theta?
Mittins was just trolling.
Anyone with half a brain knows that all risk is player supplied.
If any area has little risk, it is because the players are unwilling to provide it. It does not matter what the system security number is. |
Simi Kusoni
HelloKittyFanclub
424
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Posted - 2012.03.31 03:15:00 -
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Zircon Dasher wrote:I was going to post a link to a youtube vid of Bruce Springsteen singing "Glory Days", but I am not sure if you would have gotten the reference.
There was never a time when PVE and PVP were inseperable.
For individual players incursions are worth less than L3 missions.
Nobody stops you from fitting for PVP while doing PVE content in places where people want to shoot you. Yes, there was a time. When I first came to Eve high sec was low profit, and in order to make reasonable amounts of ISK I was forced to risk my ship belt ratting in null. This created logistical issues in transporting loot, moving PvE ships rendered them vulnerable to gate camps and every now and then interceptor/AF gangs would jump in, blitz the anoms and find me before I warped out.
Now I just JC to high sec, dual box some incursions and make more ISK than I would running anomalies anyway. This is not a "sandbox" play style, it is instanced raids.
I'll admit null also has some issues in terms of risk, but I understand CCP have long been working on an intel tool replacement for local. I also think jump freighters and carriers, in particular how common they are, is making logistics too easy. But that's another topic entirely.
DarthNefarius wrote:I predict no matter how much CCP nerfs Incursions it won't be enough for everyone in WhiteHoles & Null and they will cry & throw Incursions under the bus in order to deflect attention at thier Income Faucets be it Nanoribbons, blue loot, moon goo or bounties. This is Forum PvP and CCP reacting to a bunch of whiners which make up less then 1% of Eve just like they listened to those that forced the banning of you know who for 30 days. If you believe nano ribbons or escalation items are "isk faucets" then I strongly advise that you biomass immediately.
Zircon Dasher wrote:If any area has little risk, it is because the players are unwilling to provide it. It does not matter what the system security number is. So artificial restraints designed to prevent or inhibit player versus player combat have no impact on player versus player combat... gotcha.
--Will Support Your Terrible Forum Thread For ISK-- |
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Ammzi
Imperial Guardians The Aurora Shadow
943
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Posted - 2012.03.31 03:34:00 -
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*grins* Oooh, I see a bright future for incursions given it's all done properly. It is one cause I have fought for so long and sacrificed so much on.
Woo \o/! quote CCP Spitfire
"Hello Im Blue,"
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DarthNefarius
Ssssansha'S Deathhead Einsatzgruppen
112
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Posted - 2012.03.31 03:41:00 -
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Simi Kusoni wrote:If you believe nano ribbons or escalation items are "isk faucets" then I strongly advise that you biomass immediately.
If you believe nano ribbons or escalation items are not "income faucets" like I said ( not ISK faucets dumbarse learn to read & quote correctly ) then I strongly advise that you biomass immediately. And Caesar's spirit, raging for revenge, With Ate by his side come hot from hell, Shall in these confines with a monarch's voice Cry "Havoc!" and let slip the dogs of war,That this foul deed... -á |
Simi Kusoni
HelloKittyFanclub
425
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Posted - 2012.03.31 03:53:00 -
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DarthNefarius wrote:If you believe nano ribbons or escalation items are not "income faucets" like I said ( not ISK faucets dumbarse learn to read & quote correctly ) then I strongly advise that you biomass immediately. You sir, are and idiot. lrn2terminology, do not make up your own.
Ribbons and deadspace loot prices are decided by supply and demand, hence not a faucet in terms of income. Their price is controlled by availability and demand for the items, as opposed to set ISK rewards like bounties and incursion payouts.
And if they are such an enormous and easily acquired resource, why not farm them yourself? Perhaps because going in to low sec or wormholes would involve risk you are unwilling to face, when ISK is available in a free flowing stream that requires considerably less effort?
As I said, low sec and null sec operations require logistics and some in game experience. Wormholes involve considerable risk. In comparison incursions pay out more, for less work and less risk.
--Will Support Your Terrible Forum Thread For ISK-- |
DarthNefarius
Ssssansha'S Deathhead Einsatzgruppen
112
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Posted - 2012.03.31 03:54:00 -
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Ammzi wrote:*grins* Oooh, I see a bright future for incursions given it's all done properly. It is one cause I have fought for so long and sacrificed so much on.
Woo \o/!
lol Done properly Don't forget the sacrificial lambs you threw under the bus with your alts to your cause involuntarily Amzi/Krissada
And Caesar's spirit, raging for revenge, With Ate by his side come hot from hell, Shall in these confines with a monarch's voice Cry "Havoc!" and let slip the dogs of war,That this foul deed... -á |
DarthNefarius
Ssssansha'S Deathhead Einsatzgruppen
112
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Posted - 2012.03.31 04:08:00 -
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Simi Kusoni wrote:DarthNefarius wrote:If you believe nano ribbons or escalation items are not "income faucets" like I said ( not ISK faucets dumbarse learn to read & quote correctly ) then I strongly advise that you biomass immediately. You sir, are and idiot. lrn2terminology, do not make up your own. Ribbons and deadspace loot prices are decided by supply and demand, hence not a faucet in terms of income..
They are items that appear out of 'nowhere' (from NPC's ) just like ISK does and are gains ( income ) FYI the value of ISK also is largely decided by supply & demand.
And Caesar's spirit, raging for revenge, With Ate by his side come hot from hell, Shall in these confines with a monarch's voice Cry "Havoc!" and let slip the dogs of war,That this foul deed... -á |
Simi Kusoni
HelloKittyFanclub
426
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Posted - 2012.03.31 04:18:00 -
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So you honestly can't see the difference between, say, mining veldspar and receiving set bounties/payouts in pure ISK? Lol gtfo.
--Will Support Your Terrible Forum Thread For ISK-- |
DarthNefarius
Ssssansha'S Deathhead Einsatzgruppen
112
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Posted - 2012.03.31 04:25:00 -
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Simi Kusoni wrote:So you honestly can't see the difference between, say, mining veldspar and receiving set bounties/payouts in pure ISK? Lol gtfo.
So you are honestly telling me that mining does not produce income in the form of minerals? lol of course there are differences & your conclusions that I don't understand them are unfounded in your zeal to protect your golden goose. At least I'm not trying to say Incursions are not something they are which you seem to be And Caesar's spirit, raging for revenge, With Ate by his side come hot from hell, Shall in these confines with a monarch's voice Cry "Havoc!" and let slip the dogs of war,That this foul deed... -á |
Simi Kusoni
HelloKittyFanclub
426
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Posted - 2012.03.31 04:34:00 -
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DarthNefarius wrote:Simi Kusoni wrote:So you honestly can't see the difference between, say, mining veldspar and receiving set bounties/payouts in pure ISK? Lol gtfo. So you are honestly telling me that mining does not produce income in the form of minerals? lol of course there are differences & your conclusions that I don't understand them are unfounded in your zeal to protect your golden goose. At least I'm not trying to say Incursions are not something they are which you seem to be with sleeper incomes What golden goose? I don't even PvE any more, ISK isn't exactly a concern for me but for what its worth I live in syndicate. If you believe this region to be some kind of gold mine i strongly recommend you come down here and run a few sites some time.
And if youcant understand the difference between market goods and isk faucets i suggest you do a little back ground research. I cannot be bothered to explain it to you, especially when in typing on my phone.
--Will Support Your Terrible Forum Thread For ISK-- |
DarthNefarius
Ssssansha'S Deathhead Einsatzgruppen
113
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Posted - 2012.03.31 04:55:00 -
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Simi Kusoni wrote: And if youcant understand the difference between market goods and isk faucets i suggest you do a little back ground research. I cannot be bothered to explain it to you, especially when in typing on my phone.
If you continually try to tell me that there are no other faucets besides pure ISK in this game ( ie nano ribbons, moon goo, loot drops, NPC buy orders, minerals & alloys ) then you are a mental midget or just blinded in trying to prove I don't know what. And like what's been said over & over again the hugest ISK faucet is bounties... you want to tackle inflation either it has to be taken down a notch or ISK sinks need to be created ( I've made a few suggestions to sinks I wish others would try to put out thier ideas too instead of crying about the other guys way of making money.) And Caesar's spirit, raging for revenge, With Ate by his side come hot from hell, Shall in these confines with a monarch's voice Cry "Havoc!" and let slip the dogs of war,That this foul deed... -á |
Ren Oren
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
4
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Posted - 2012.03.31 05:01:00 -
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DarthNefarius is a walking example as to why incursions need to be nerfed ASAP
Or you should at least know how supply and demand works before you do them
SELLING A GOOD ON THE MARKET IS DIFFERENT FROM HAVING ISK RAIN ON YOU |
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