Pages: [1] 2 3 :: one page |
|
Author |
Thread Statistics | Show CCP posts - 0 post(s) |
Megan Maynard
Minmatar 17th Minmatar Tactical Wing
|
Posted - 2008.09.02 04:26:00 -
[1]
Today the 17th Minmatar Tactical Wing organized what we consider a successful terror campaign in Amarr. Using mostly t1 slashers and thrashers we slaughtered haulers, cruisers, frigs, anything standing in our way. Once we made it to amarr we trapped a obelisk and proceeded to shoot it half way into structure before our forces were driven off by Navy NPC's. However we consider it a success because the pilot ejected his cargo for all the locals to start scooping up.
We went to cause chaos, and it worked.
Know this, WE WILL CONTINUE TO TRAVEL TO THE AMARR HOMEWORLD AND DESTROY WHATEVER WE FIND WITH NO REGARD TO OUR WELL BEING UNTIL OUR BRETHREN ARE RELEASED AND THE AMARR ADMIT DEFEAT.
The hiring of nuetral corporations will not save you in higher sectors. We will never stop until our goals and demands are met.
FIRE WILL CONSUME AMARR AND WE ARE THE ONES HOLDING THE TORCHES. |
Elsebeth Rhiannon
Minmatar Gradient Electus Matari
|
Posted - 2008.09.02 06:57:00 -
[2]
Due to the former tight connection between Electus Matari and the 17th Minmatar Tactical Wing, I am forced to stress in public that Electus Matari does not encourage or support attacks on civilian targets, including (but not limited to) peaceful, unrelated traders.
While we wish the 17th continued luck in their war effort, we are greatly saddened by their downfall from the honorable path.
Elsebeth Rhiannon Diplomat Electus Matari |
Eran Mintor
17th Minmatar Tactical Wing
|
Posted - 2008.09.02 07:13:00 -
[3]
I've yet to see the CONCORD logs, but I'd assume that the targets were well within CONCORD's law. I salute Morgan and her fleet for a job well done. We no longer have a choice; those who aid Amarr treachery on my brothers and sisters will be released of their means wherever they find themselves in space. |
arbiter reformed
|
Posted - 2008.09.02 07:17:00 -
[4]
i am also of the mind of tacticaly placed attacks on military units is the right form of combat to choose. we are above tit for tat warfare, we learned from history no glory comes from a millitary campain soley based on chaos. however if these were indeed industrialist's who were invlved in the transportation of slaves or armements i salute you. i wish you luck in future |
Allaria Kriss
Minmatar Lai Dai Infinity Systems
|
Posted - 2008.09.02 07:18:00 -
[5]
Edited by: Allaria Kriss on 02/09/2008 07:19:14 Because this will certainly let the Amarr know the Matari have become civilized beyond the murderous, barbarous, violent, bloodlusted stereotype that is the reason they felt the need to enslave us in the first place. Oh, wait.
This does nothing to help our people. You give the Amarr the moral high ground, you reinforce their beliefs that our people NEED to be enslaved for our own good, and by attacking totally random targets in a major trade system, you kill more Caldari, Gallente, and especially Minmatar, both freed and enslaved, than you do Amarr. Then you come here and crow about your 'victory' like you're some sort of hero. Are honorable targets, military targets, proving too difficult for you? I certainly hope this is exaggeration and bluster, and not truth.
You bring nothing but shame and dishonor to your ancestors. May they disown you. |
MirrorGod
Heretic Militia
|
Posted - 2008.09.02 07:30:00 -
[6]
Else, I believe the target in very far from civilian or innocent, but rather was within the Imperial Crusade and thus more than just a legal target, but morally a target.
Well done Meg, made me smile, look forward to discussing it with you at a later time. |
Inara Subaka
Caldari the united
|
Posted - 2008.09.02 07:49:00 -
[7]
*Inara looks up from a data pad in her hand, it appears her day has been anything but pleasant*
So the Matari are trying to use fear tactics and blob warfare in Empire secure space...?
I must be going mad for even asking this, but for what purpose? Chaos won't win you the war, chaos will only prolong it (so keep up your efforts if you would). The only real effect is similar to kicking a Drooler when it's hungry, the Empire already doesn't like you and just feeds on excuses like this to continue hunting you like savages... which, after this little display might not be that far from the truth.
*reaches into her desk, pulls out a crystal bottle and takes a long draw*
It's been one of those days, and your ignorance makes me wonder why the Republic hasn't already torn itself apart. I have no use for stupid people, and rampaging through space killing without regard to your own life makes you a monster. Monsters have one purpose, to be slain, may your next clone fail to reactivate.
*takes another long draw from the bottle*
God, I know it's been a shitty day when I start calling other people monsters, giving a care at all about the "Great War" aside from my own profits, and rambling.
((ooc, you shouldn't refer to them as Navy NPC's)) |
Elsebeth Rhiannon
Minmatar Gradient Electus Matari
|
Posted - 2008.09.02 07:52:00 -
[8]
Why does pilot Maynard call it a "terror campaign" if what they are doing is simply attacking legitimate targets? Why do 17th talk of proceeding to Amarr and destroying "whatever they find"?
|
Jtharra K'thain
Minmatar Coriolis Commerce Cluster
|
Posted - 2008.09.02 08:00:00 -
[9]
The Amarr made us what we are, monsters or not. |
Inara Subaka
Caldari the united
|
Posted - 2008.09.02 08:19:00 -
[10]
*Inara appears, sitting back in what appears to be her station quarters in more comfortable clothing while sipping a glass of amber liquid*
Originally by: Jtharra K'thain The Amarr made us what we are, monsters or not.
*chuckles*
Please tell me that you aren't serious. No one made you anything, you are like you are by choice. No one can make you anything you aren't already at some level.
There are some people that are impossible to dominate, but the vast majority of the universe's population has some level of submissiveness to them... it just takes time to bring that to the forefront. They don't want to admit that they have a submissive side, the refuse to admit it, even to themselves... until a true Master or Mistress forces them to face that part of themselves. Just as such, if you are a monster, you must have been a monster at some level before, and your interaction with the Amarr caused that portion of your psyche to become dominant within your mind.
Quit trying to blame others for your short comings, it makes you sound weak and rather whiny. If you are a monster, you are a monster either by choice or birth, to blame it on someone else is... foolish? cowardice? weak? Take your pick.
If you are ever in the mood to have the monster tamed though, look me up. I am quite capable of helping you "cage the beast" in your mind. I can't do it, only you can, but I can provide the guidance you will need. However, in return I will be bringing forth your desire to please or serve another... more specifically, me. |
|
Devilish Ledoux
Caldari Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
|
Posted - 2008.09.02 08:33:00 -
[11]
Originally by: Elsebeth Rhiannon Why does pilot Maynard call it a "terror campaign" if what they are doing is simply attacking legitimate targets? Why do 17th talk of proceeding to Amarr and destroying "whatever they find"?
Terrorism is not limited to attacks on civilian targets. In this case, the 17th launched an attack behind enemy lines to destroy targets in the Amarr system. It is fair to say that this single raid does not constitute a terror tactic. However, should these raids become common, it is possible that the psychological effect on Amarrian militia actors will outweigh the military effect. I'd say that falls well within accepted definitions of terrorism. It also seems to be a very sound tactic for the 17th to employ. |
Allaria Kriss
Minmatar Lai Dai Infinity Systems
|
Posted - 2008.09.02 08:35:00 -
[12]
Originally by: Elsebeth Rhiannon Why does pilot Maynard call it a "terror campaign" if what they are doing is simply attacking legitimate targets? Why do 17th talk of proceeding to Amarr and destroying "whatever they find"?
My theory is they've been listening to far too many Ushra'Khan broadcasts and are trying, poorly, to emulate them.
Originally by: Jtharra K'thain The Amarr made us what we are, monsters or not.
I'm going to venture off topic long enough to say that fatalist views like this irritate me. By saying that, you concede that the Amarr have the power to tell you what you are and how you are supposed to be, effectively bowing to their opinions of you. Unless you yourself were personally enslaved by the Empire, the Empire only has as much effect on you as you and those around you allow it to have. Show the Amarr your strength by defying their low expectations and making something productive of yourself instead of hiding behind this weak-minded nonsense. Thank you. |
Micia
Minmatar Thrace Inc Ushra'Khan
|
Posted - 2008.09.02 08:49:00 -
[13]
Inspiring words and actions, warriors of the 17th. o7
Give no quarter. |
Vikarion
Caldari BLACK 0RIGIN Red Dawn Alliance
|
Posted - 2008.09.02 09:04:00 -
[14]
I'll bet you that, after they finished their "campaign of terror", they docked at an Amarrian station. |
Elsebeth Rhiannon
Minmatar Gradient Electus Matari
|
Posted - 2008.09.02 09:15:00 -
[15]
Originally by: Devilish Ledoux In this case, the 17th launched an attack behind enemy lines to destroy targets in the Amarr system. It is fair to say that this single raid does not constitute a terror tactic. However, should these raids become common, it is possible that the psychological effect on Amarrian militia actors will outweigh the military effect. I'd say that falls well within accepted definitions of terrorism. It also seems to be a very sound tactic for the 17th to employ.
Raids beyond the lines are definitely a good tactic and a legitimate tool of warfare - to the extent that I'd call them simply "war".
The rhetoric here mislead me, apparently. I apologize.
|
Jtharra K'thain
Minmatar Coriolis Commerce Cluster
|
Posted - 2008.09.02 09:35:00 -
[16]
Unfortunately... what we, the Minmatar, are today is a direct result of our treatment and our lives as slaves and servants to the Amarr. Saying otherwise would be hypocritical to say the least. In many way, we are 'monsters'. We hunt, kill and maim all in the name of freedom and survival, very much like most monster you've heard about in stories as a child.
But you are right about one thing though, this is something to fight against. We would want nothing more than to be free and able to construct our own lives in a constructive and productive manner. But as it stands now, that is impossible. Before we can create a society that we want to live in, we must brake free from our bonds, by force. In some ways, my people is still slave to the 'education' we got as captives, perhaps we always will. History forms us, just as it forms you. I don't blame the Amarr for our shortcomings, in some ways I thank them. For without the time of slavery we would not have the strength and tenacity we have today. Perhaps, one day we will look back on the time of slavery as a time of self-schooling, a time were we found our strength.
Also, I don't see out monstrous side as a shortcoming, it's a way of survival. Long before we were enslaved we were a violent people, our tribal ancestors did what they had to survive, and they still do through us. This has nothing to do with the Amarr. What I was trying to say was that the Amarr did not MAKE us what we are, but they forced us to become it and our culture to form to what it is today. That every 'innocent' Amarr that dies today is the direct result of their ancestors decision to try to cull the Minmatar people. If you try to bind a wild animal, it will try to bite you.
Deal with it. |
Jtharra K'thain
Minmatar Coriolis Commerce Cluster
|
Posted - 2008.09.02 09:38:00 -
[17]
Originally by: Allaria Kriss I'm going to venture off topic long enough to say that fatalist views like this irritate me. By saying that, you concede that the Amarr have the power to tell you what you are and how you are supposed to be, effectively bowing to their opinions of you. Unless you yourself were personally enslaved by the Empire, the Empire only has as much effect on you as you and those around you allow it to have. Show the Amarr your strength by defying their low expectations and making something productive of yourself instead of hiding behind this weak-minded nonsense. Thank you.
I were born a slave, and however much I would like to deny it, it formed me. It would be wrong for me to claim that the Amarr did not form my childhood or my personality. In some ways they made me what I am today. It's not about blame, it's cold facts. They did not however, form me to what they wanted. I became something else, something they should fear. In their efforts to enslave my mind, they set it free.
Ironic. |
Jtharra K'thain
Minmatar Coriolis Commerce Cluster
|
Posted - 2008.09.02 09:48:00 -
[18]
Originally by: Inara Subaka Please tell me that you aren't serious. No one made you anything, you are like you are by choice. No one can make you anything you aren't already at some level.
Not everyone in the galaxy have a choice in who they become, like it or not. You were raised with the ability to make your own choice, I was not. I had to learn it the hard way.
Originally by: Inara Subaka
If you are ever in the mood to have the monster tamed though, look me up. I am quite capable of helping you "cage the beast" in your mind. I can't do it, only you can, but I can provide the guidance you will need. However, in return I will be bringing forth your desire to please or serve another... more specifically, me.
Don't mock me. I serve no-one, you would not be the first to try to bring me to my knees, and not to first to fail, or die trying. You are the prime example of why we are what we are today. You mock and laugh at our struggle for freedom and independence. You look down upon the Minmatar people as wild beasts that just can't realize that they would be better of serving your or your culture. Even the Gallente can't understand and fully respect our culture, even though they try their best.
You should respect us for who we are. And I will respect you. |
Camperific
Es and Whizz Hedonistic Imperative
|
Posted - 2008.09.02 10:23:00 -
[19]
Congratulations to the 17th on a successfull attack. The more the Amarrian navy is kept in their home system's,then the less there are to pour into their reclaiming effort. Good hunting in your further raids.
|
Megan Maynard
Minmatar 17th Minmatar Tactical Wing
|
Posted - 2008.09.02 12:40:00 -
[20]
We are quite aware of those that are taking "advantage" of being in the militia, for monetary reasons. They will no longer be safe in High Sec.
The amarr militia has taken to using neutrals in low sec fights they cannot win. This will also end.
Yesterday, in Amarr, we attacked a vessel much larger then us mercilessly. Amarr citizens now see the carnage we are going to bring. It's no longer some war far away, it's at their doorstep.
|
|
Nakatre Read
Caldari Jamieson-Read Industrial Group
|
Posted - 2008.09.02 13:12:00 -
[21]
While I don't particularly like either side, I applaud the initiative of the 17th Minmatar Tactical Wing and raise a glass to an entertaining outcome of their successful trip into the space of the altar humping old farts.
*salutes and closes comms* |
MobyMule
Minmatar PoliCratton Technologies
|
Posted - 2008.09.02 13:48:00 -
[22]
I applaud this effort. Good job fellow liberators.
|
AltBier
Minmatar Freelance Unincorporated
|
Posted - 2008.09.02 14:16:00 -
[23]
May I just ask how you select your targets?
Is it any Amarr ship (regardless of pilot)? Any Amarr pilot (regardless of ship)? Only Amarr militia? Do you scan ships to see if they are carrying slaves?
|
MobyMule
Minmatar PoliCratton Technologies
|
Posted - 2008.09.02 14:25:00 -
[24]
Originally by: AltBier May I just ask how you select your targets?
Is it any Amarr ship (regardless of pilot)? Any Amarr pilot (regardless of ship)? Only Amarr militia? Do you scan ships to see if they are carrying slaves?
In hi-sec it would have to be a wartarget now wouldn't it. Otherwise Concord will get involved and that wouldn't be pretty.
|
AltBier
Minmatar Freelance Unincorporated
|
Posted - 2008.09.02 14:45:00 -
[25]
One would have thought so.
Quote: The hiring of nuetral corporations will not save you in higher sectors.
War decs?
|
MobyMule
Minmatar PoliCratton Technologies
|
Posted - 2008.09.02 14:53:00 -
[26]
Edited by: MobyMule on 02/09/2008 14:53:46
Originally by: AltBier One would have thought so.
Quote: The hiring of nuetral corporations will not save you in higher sectors.
War decs?
I have no knowledge of any minmatar militia members doing this. I was told some minmatar member corps had been war dec'd but that was a few weeks ago.
|
Megan Maynard
Minmatar 17th Minmatar Tactical Wing
|
Posted - 2008.09.02 14:56:00 -
[27]
NO, actual neutral targets, firing on minmatar fleets after we've engaged the amarr that don't seem to shoot the amarr either.
Hmmmmm
|
Hirana Yoshida
Behavioral Affront
|
Posted - 2008.09.02 15:01:00 -
[28]
Originally by: MobyMule I applaud this effort. Good job fellow liberators.
Liberators, how is that supposed to work?
They openly admitted to attacking haulers and whatever else presented itself, civilian targets, in a high population area .. people doing that are called terrorists and/or mass-murderers.
Randomly choosing targets among in a civilian area is so far beyond cowardice that even calling them freedom fighters is stretching it.
I was under the impression that the Matar were doing quite well against their owners, why the change in approach?
|
Megan Maynard
Minmatar 17th Minmatar Tactical Wing
|
Posted - 2008.09.02 15:24:00 -
[29]
Originally by: Hirana Yoshida
Originally by: MobyMule I applaud this effort. Good job fellow liberators.
Liberators, how is that supposed to work?
They openly admitted to attacking haulers and whatever else presented itself, civilian targets, in a high population area .. people doing that are called terrorists and/or mass-murderers.
Randomly choosing targets among in a civilian area is so far beyond cowardice that even calling them freedom fighters is stretching it.
I was under the impression that the Matar were doing quite well against their owners, why the change in approach?
Haulers that carry the banner of war are still haulers that need to pop.
|
Chase Starbright
Amarr Aretaic Turn
|
Posted - 2008.09.02 16:30:00 -
[30]
Originally by: Jtharra K'thain Unfortunately... what we, the Minmatar, are today is a direct result of our treatment and our lives as slaves and servants to the Amarr. Saying otherwise would be hypocritical to say the least. In many way, we are 'monsters'. We hunt, kill and maim all in the name of freedom and survival, very much like most monster you've heard about in stories as a child.
Nonsense. Do you perhaps think the Matari were the only ones ever enslaved by the True Amarr? Ni-Kunni were once slaves. A minority of us still are, in fact. But you do not see us turned into "monsters" who will hunt the closest Amarrian cowl, do you? We adapted, we learned, we saw the sense in the lesson, we became free without bloodshed.
So excuse me if I find that blaming Amarr for turning the Matari into "monsters" is hypocritical. You turned yourselves into monsters.
C. Starbright.
|
|
|
|
|
Pages: [1] 2 3 :: one page |
First page | Previous page | Next page | Last page |