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BiggestT
Caldari Space Oddysey Pupule 'Ohana
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Posted - 2008.09.04 08:58:00 -
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Seeing as my nighthawk is just a flying pricetag that wld make me cry if i lost it, i decided id fit a vulture up to semi-fill its role, the below ship+fit(including rigs) is about the cost of the nighthawk alone.
So for poor pvpers everywhere, perhaps u may want to give this a spin..
Highs 5*250mm rail II 2*HML II
Meds 2*LSE II 1*EM II 1*Invuln II 1*Sensor booster II(range or scan res)
Lows 1*Mag stab II 1*Tracking enhancer II 1*RCU 1*DCU II
Rigs: 2*Core defence field extender
Drones: ec-300's*5 (or warrior II's or whatever)
Fit has 120+k ehp (better than a decent non-faction-pvp-nighthawk) 250 dps with cal am, cal scourge (worse than well, all nighthawks)
You may ask "Well so what? The price tag diff isnt that great, ill just use a nighthawk, vulture is for bonus's."
This is correct but, the vulture has one thing going for it, it can choose between short range (swap to short range to deal dmg with the missiles) and long+short range (leave ,missiles on close range ship, whack rails on target 150km away).
Yes im aware the damage is lol, but in bigger gangs personal dps becomes less of an issue, but the abily to snipe long range arazu's/falcons etc is still just as important.
Again you may ask, "So what? my dmg will be shit at 150" Ahh but dmg at that range is less of an issue, as your main primary-150km target will be recons which have lol tanks. Being an effective anti-falcon ship while not being called primary (hopefully) is rather nice (ferox works well for that too).
So there, a poor mans semi-nighthawk-with-worse-dps-but-better-tank-and-range at your disposal
Proudly annoying FC's since 2007
Originally by: Sherrif Jones
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BiggestT
Caldari Space Oddysey Pupule 'Ohana
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Posted - 2008.09.04 09:41:00 -
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Hmm, well that must be an ok setup then as there be no trollage yet Trolls shldnt give up hope though as ill use this thread to post a basilisk fit aswell, im not very experienced with rr so plz advise me on what shld change..
Highs: 4*Large S95a sheild transporter (same specs as t2 besides 0.5second cycle, fittings=the main issue) 2*'malkuth' assault missile launcher (only assault launchers that fit, use something else?)
Meds: 2*Medium sheild extender II 1*Mag scattering amp II 1*Invuln II
Lows: DCU II CPR II
Rigs: EM shield core defence extender
Drones: Light shield maintenence bot*5
Im wondering if I should swap the core defence for a ccc, or maybe even both. Im also wondering if i shld swap cpr for pds, and try fit a best named large extender on, giving another mid for a cap recharge (seemed pretty same-same).
Thoughts? Proudly annoying FC's since 2007
Originally by: Sherrif Jones
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BiggestT
Caldari Space Oddysey Pupule 'Ohana
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Posted - 2008.09.04 11:15:00 -
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Damn, does no-one fly these ships who can comment?
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Originally by: Sherrif Jones
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Felix Dzerzhinsky
Caldari Wreckless Abandon Un-Natural Selection
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Posted - 2008.09.04 11:22:00 -
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I fly them, and I make sure I fit at least 2 Command Mods on. Otherwise I'd rather fly a Ferox for a fraction of the price. Its not like your there to do anything meaningful anyway. . .
I have seen people fit the vulture the way we used to fit the Ferox, with a full rack of HMLs. But here again, just fit a Ferox.
Fleet Commands are highly specilized ships - outside of those specilized applications, their value/price ratio gets out of wack.
but thats my opinion. ----
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Ash Bringer
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Posted - 2008.09.04 11:26:00 -
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Vultures are cool and yes, as u said it can ruin long range recons days as your medium guns will track most of stuff at 150km.
Drop Em for fleet and use tracking computer. Only Ammar BSs have long range EM damage and they won't primary you anyway...
2 Mag stabs might be better as at least it will give a little bit more DPS and Alpha. To force them run
If u wanna use this in fleet. Drop HML launchers and use Assault missile launchers with precision EM in them. Better to get rid of pesky small craft.
So maybe u can drop RCU and another magstab :P or tracking enchancer
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BiggestT
Caldari Space Oddysey Pupule 'Ohana
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Posted - 2008.09.04 11:49:00 -
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Edited by: BiggestT on 04/09/2008 11:50:09
Originally by: Ash Bringer Vultures are cool and yes, as u said it can ruin long range recons days as your medium guns will track most of stuff at 150km.
Drop Em for fleet and use tracking computer. Only Ammar BSs have long range EM damage and they won't primary you anyway...
2 Mag stabs might be better as at least it will give a little bit more DPS and Alpha. To force them run
If u wanna use this in fleet. Drop HML launchers and use Assault missile launchers with precision EM in them. Better to get rid of pesky small craft.
So maybe u can drop RCU and another magstab :P or tracking enchancer
hmm, no point in a tracking computer, i have long range targetting V of course so with one sensor booster max lock range i can get is 150, i cld use another sensor booster instead i spose. Upon doing that i can drop the tracking enhancer and just use jav, allowing the use of 2 mag stabs giving more alpha..
The problem there though, is that im losing the role of tank, and am becoming more like an eagle, my fit here is that i want to have a nighthawk (or better) tank, while having the long reach of a ferox..
And yes, when i can FINALLY use those damn command mods i will, but the traiinng is omg gonna take a while..So for now HML's are taking their place..
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Originally by: Sherrif Jones
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Wrangler: Hello and w-
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Wrangler: Damn nanowhiners...*goes back to reading*
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Kira Pasisson
M'8'S Frontal Impact
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Posted - 2008.09.04 11:57:00 -
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if u go for a vulture, fit AT LEAST the shield-resistance-module, otherwise everything this ship can do except tanking (which has not much wort for your pvp-gang as it wont be primary anyway) the eagle can do better (25%more damage, same range, faster lock, lower sig.....) if u want to fit it for sniping-ability make sure you can shoot up to at least 180km, 150 will be too less in too many situations....you can give the vulture a decent sniper setup with one gang module, but forget the hml, its rubbish for sniping...
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BiggestT
Caldari Space Oddysey Pupule 'Ohana
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Posted - 2008.09.04 11:59:00 -
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Originally by: Kira Pasisson Edited by: Kira Pasisson on 04/09/2008 11:57:17 if u go for a vulture, fit AT LEAST the shield-resistance-module, otherwise everything this ship can do except tanking (which has not much worth for your pvp-gang as it wont be primary anyway) the eagle can do better (25%more damage, same range, faster lock, lower sig.....) if u want to fit it for sniping-ability make sure you can shoot up to at least 180km, 150 will be too less in too many situations....you can give the vulture a decent sniper setup with one gang module, but forget the hml, its rubbish for sniping...
yeah the hml is more of a "filler" untill the command mods are there.. and yes, i dit fit a few shield resist mods!..? This setup can ezily reach 200km just needs an extra mid for another sensor booster x) Proudly annoying FC's since 2007
Originally by: Sherrif Jones
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Kira Pasisson
M'8'S Frontal Impact
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Posted - 2008.09.04 12:47:00 -
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200km with only 1 tracking enhancer...dont think so....with resist module i mean the shield harmonizing link....in general i would go for a bit more damage/tracking and less tank
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BiggestT
Caldari Space Oddysey Pupule 'Ohana
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Posted - 2008.09.04 12:52:00 -
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Originally by: Kira Pasisson 200km with only 1 tracking enhancer...dont think so....with resist module i mean the shield harmonizing link....in general i would go for a bit more damage/tracking and less tank
i get near 180 i mean, with my skills, and spike m, 162+14 = 176max..
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Kira Pasisson
M'8'S Frontal Impact
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Posted - 2008.09.04 12:58:00 -
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in my opinion and after what i experienced during the max-fleet-fights, at least 180km optimal is required very often, you still will need ur falloff, i fit a tracking computer and a tracking enhancer, you really need both, in closerange and while sniping
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BiggestT
Caldari Space Oddysey Pupule 'Ohana
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Posted - 2008.09.04 13:24:00 -
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Originally by: Kira Pasisson in my opinion and after what i experienced during the max-fleet-fights, at least 180km optimal is required very often, you still will need ur falloff, i fit a tracking computer and a tracking enhancer, you really need both, in closerange and while sniping
urgh.. that means i need 2 sensor boosters.. 1 tracking enhancer 1 tracking computer..
after adding the mwd and making sure i have enough grid there litle room left for tank
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Felix Dzerzhinsky
Caldari Wreckless Abandon Un-Natural Selection
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Posted - 2008.09.04 13:39:00 -
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its a fleet command. . .the sniping is to do something while you are giving out bonus'.
If I were you, I would srsly consider taking a second look at the command mods and the fleet command ships. I have a vulture - but I tend to fly the damnation more. fleet command ships are really just there to give bonus' - as you know - there are better ships for sniping. |
BiggestT
Caldari Space Oddysey Pupule 'Ohana
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Posted - 2008.09.04 13:54:00 -
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Originally by: Felix Dzerzhinsky its a fleet command. . .the sniping is to do something while you are giving out bonus'.
If I were you, I would srsly consider taking a second look at the command mods and the fleet command ships. I have a vulture - but I tend to fly the damnation more. fleet command ships are really just there to give bonus' - as you know - there are better ships for sniping.
Yeah, but it can snipe, tank and give bonus's at once..my nighthawk cant! hehe Vulture is cheaper so meh, id like to try and find a role for it, as i like the ferox sniper role, but really want a less paper thin ship..And i will be issuing bonus's soon when i trian them, just using al's for now..
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Kira Pasisson
M'8'S Frontal Impact
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Posted - 2008.09.04 14:23:00 -
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the vulture can be amongst the snipers, when the damnation needs to be with the support, that means the vulture doesnt need so much tank as it usually wont be primaried by the bs anyway...so in a fleetbattle i consider the survivability of a vulture higher compared to damnation (finally u need both for the different squads/wings anyway)
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