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LaVista Vista
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Posted - 2008.09.04 13:43:00 -
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Just a shame it's a Xeon. It's probably going to be hugely expensive.
But 2 of those is a pretty sweet thought. Mac pro getting an upgrade with this any time soon you think? |
LaVista Vista
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Posted - 2008.09.04 13:43:00 -
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On Cnet
Just a shame it's a Xeon. It's probably going to be hugely expensive.
But 2 of those is a pretty sweet thought. Mac pro getting an upgrade with this any time soon you think?
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Ryysa
Paisti Paisti Syndicate
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Posted - 2008.09.04 14:04:00 -
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I think we have a new breed developing.
The CPU-ricers. |
Bish Ounen
Gallente Omni-Core Freedom Fighters Ethereal Dawn
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Posted - 2008.09.04 14:35:00 -
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Originally by: Ryysa I think we have a new breed developing.
The CPU-ricers.
Heh.
I think in a way it was inevitable. We are basically reaching the physical limits of how small we can make a silicon-based CPU. You simply can't make them much smaller before you get issues of short-circuits across the silicon gates of the core. I think most experts are predicting maybe two more size reductions and then we are done.
So until we find a cheap, reliable, and easily mass-produced alternative to silicon that works BETTER than silicon and can be made smaller, the only solution is more and more cores and more and more processors.
Ultimately, we are going to have to rethink the CPU/Motherboard/Add-ons paradigm. In order to keep up with increasing computing power demands we are going to have to keep increasing the number of cores and physical processors well beyond the ability of a single motherboard to hold them.
Where that will lead us I don't pretend to know. Perhaps some kind of stack arrangement using a parallel processing grid setup that will create a kind of CPU "brain" in it's own cooling fluid container which is then connected to other components. Maybe the beginning of true "droid" companions. Honestly I don't know. The future if IT is going to be interesting. Tactical Logistics using the last T1 Frigate hull!
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Reiisha
Splint Eye Probabilities Inc. Dawn of Transcendence
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Posted - 2008.09.04 14:46:00 -
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We're getting 16-cores in a year or so for "normal consumers. We'll be at 128 in not too much time :)
EVE History Wiki
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Kazuma Saruwatari
Caldari
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Posted - 2008.09.04 14:49:00 -
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Edited by: Kazuma Saruwatari on 04/09/2008 14:49:24
Originally by: Reiisha We're getting 16-cores in a year or so for "normal consumers. We'll be at 128 in not too much time :)
Why is it so ****ing creepy that I just woke up from a dream when I was talking to a guy about his 256-cored PC having issues with drivers from "Intelvidia" and his "VR-card", and then read this?
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ReaperOfSly
Gallente Lyrus Associates The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2008.09.04 15:18:00 -
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Originally by: Kazuma Saruwatari Edited by: Kazuma Saruwatari on 04/09/2008 14:49:24
Originally by: Reiisha We're getting 16-cores in a year or so for "normal consumers. We'll be at 128 in not too much time :)
Why is it so ****ing creepy that I just woke up from a dream when I was talking to a guy about his 256-cored PC having issues with drivers from "Intelvidia" and his "VR-card", and then read this?
Because you're having prophetic dreams about the future. Please eve-mail me the next winning lottery numbers kthxbye. __________________________
Quote: ...bored, skint, no charter, and a ship that looks like an explosion in a girder factory...
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Ryysa
Paisti Paisti Syndicate
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Posted - 2008.09.04 16:39:00 -
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We can hardly utilize quad-core at home right now. At least for gaming... ok you can do video encoding or whatever.
That is why I made my comment about cpu-ricers. It's like LOOK MY WHEELS ARE 19" BUT MINE ARE 20".
Not that it makes any difference whatsoever for getting from point A to point B. EW Guide - KB Tool - My Music |
Meiyang Lee
Gallente Azteca Transportation Unlimited Gunboat Diplomacy
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Posted - 2008.09.04 16:56:00 -
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Originally by: Ryysa We can hardly utilize quad-core at home right now. At least for gaming... ok you can do video encoding or whatever.
That is why I made my comment about cpu-ricers. It's like LOOK MY WHEELS ARE 19" BUT MINE ARE 20".
Not that it makes any difference whatsoever for getting from point A to point B.
Once multicore becomes the standard (I'm guessing in a few years when all the older P4 singles are out) then you will see programs quickly become more adept at actually utilising all those cores. Right now heavy multi-threading isn't possible because programs like that wouldn't work on a single core CPU.
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Ryysa
Paisti Paisti Syndicate
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Posted - 2008.09.04 16:59:00 -
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Edited by: Ryysa on 04/09/2008 17:03:00 Einstein, do you think it's that simple to multithread everything? Guess what, it's not. Some things will never ever be multithreaded.
Example: x+y = z calculate value of z+c..
You can't calculate z+c until you know x+y. No way to run those in parallel. So please get a clue about algorithms, before making bold "future" statements.
Quote: Right now heavy multi-threading isn't possible because programs like that wouldn't work on a single core CPU.
Total bullshit. Right now multithreading and context switching is provided by the OS, or the hypervisor. Just as it is provided by the OS with a multicore system. Except on a multicore system the OS can schedule a process to run on a specific core, thus balancing the load.
With your logic, your operation system can do always one thing at the same time - well, in a way that's true, but what keeps you from switching context every 10ms? Do one thing for 10ms, do another for 10ms. However, some things can't be divided.
Seriously, if you don't know at all what you are talking about, just don't say anything, listen and learn first. EW Guide - KB Tool - My Music |
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Sharupak
Minmatar Brutor tribe
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Posted - 2008.09.04 17:03:00 -
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Originally by: Ryysa We can hardly utilize quad-core at home right now. At least for gaming... ok you can do video encoding or whatever.
That is why I made my comment about cpu-ricers. It's like LOOK MY WHEELS ARE 19" BUT MINE ARE 20".
Not that it makes any difference whatsoever for getting from point A to point B.
No way dude, my eve is going to have 6x less lag in jita because I have more cores! LOL!
I will say that the hardware is ahead of software. But this is going to be messy for a while. It would probably be a better system if OS just saw the CPU as one core and the hardware figures out how to multi process it.
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Ryysa
Paisti Paisti Syndicate
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Posted - 2008.09.04 17:05:00 -
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In a way it's a good idea to do the multiprocessing on hardware level, but it's too complicated to do in hardware.
The OS will still provide threading and thread scheduling - it knows more about the context and what is important at any given time. EW Guide - KB Tool - My Music |
LaVista Vista
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Posted - 2008.09.04 17:18:00 -
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Originally by: Ryysa We can hardly utilize quad-core at home right now. At least for gaming... ok you can do video encoding or whatever.
That is why I made my comment about cpu-ricers. It's like LOOK MY WHEELS ARE 19" BUT MINE ARE 20".
Not that it makes any difference whatsoever for getting from point A to point B.
Did you read the link?
It's a Xeon processor. It's not a mainstream CPU.
These kind of processors are used just fine in server farms of certain kinds as well as the possibly largest use of Xeon processors in consumer market, the Mac Pro's.
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Sharupak
Minmatar Brutor tribe
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Posted - 2008.09.04 17:26:00 -
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Originally by: Ryysa In a way it's a good idea to do the multiprocessing on hardware level, but it's too complicated to do in hardware.
The OS will still provide threading and thread scheduling - it knows more about the context and what is important at any given time.
I gotcha.
At work, some of our software guys develop apps with Filepro. Apparently it is really old and does not understand multicore at all. But when looking at processing on linux when the apps run, linux will feed one core and then immediately switch to the next core for the next thread. Is this faster than just having a single core even if it isnt true balanced multicore processing? _______________________________________________ RuntimeError: ChainEvent is blocking by design, but you're block trapped. You have'll have to find some alternative means to do Your Thing, dude. |
Bish Ounen
Gallente Omni-Core Freedom Fighters Ethereal Dawn
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Posted - 2008.09.04 17:50:00 -
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Originally by: Sharupak
Originally by: Ryysa In a way it's a good idea to do the multiprocessing on hardware level, but it's too complicated to do in hardware.
The OS will still provide threading and thread scheduling - it knows more about the context and what is important at any given time.
I gotcha.
At work, some of our software guys develop apps with Filepro. Apparently it is really old and does not understand multicore at all. But when looking at processing on linux when the apps run, linux will feed one core and then immediately switch to the next core for the next thread. Is this faster than just having a single core even if it isnt true balanced multicore processing?
I think that's called "Alternate Sequential Processing" it's a way of somewhat emulating parallel processing in apps that cannot do that. Works pretty well too from what I understand. Tactical Logistics using the last T1 Frigate hull!
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Patch86
Di-Tron Heavy Industries Atlas Alliance
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Posted - 2008.09.04 18:09:00 -
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"Sextuple core", I think you'll find. It fits the current convention, and means you get to say "sextuple" for a legitimate reason. ------
Originally by: Micheal Dietrich You can even get a midget with a camera to sit on the floorboard.
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Taua Roqa
Minmatar Groping Hand Social Club
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Posted - 2008.09.04 18:14:00 -
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i have a huge ****
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ReaperOfSly
Gallente Lyrus Associates The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2008.09.04 18:58:00 -
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Originally by: LaVista Vista
Originally by: Ryysa We can hardly utilize quad-core at home right now. At least for gaming... ok you can do video encoding or whatever.
That is why I made my comment about cpu-ricers. It's like LOOK MY WHEELS ARE 19" BUT MINE ARE 20".
Not that it makes any difference whatsoever for getting from point A to point B.
Did you read the link?
It's a Xeon processor. It's not a mainstream CPU.
These kind of processors are used just fine in server farms of certain kinds as well as the possibly largest use of Xeon processors in consumer market, the Mac Pro's.
And Skulltrail builds. *drools* __________________________
Quote: ...bored, skint, no charter, and a ship that looks like an explosion in a girder factory...
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Ryysa
Paisti Paisti Syndicate
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Posted - 2008.09.04 19:02:00 -
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Originally by: LaVista Vista Did you read the link?
It's a Xeon processor. It's not a mainstream CPU.
I know that, I wasn't "flaming" you or anything, I just pointed out that there is this MOAR COREZ mentality with some not too bright people.
Quote: as well as the possibly largest use of Xeon processors in consumer market, the Mac Pro's.
Now that is crap. Server usage far, far, far outweighs your i-cool Mac. Take some supercomputer clusters based on x86/64 architecture and you already have more cpu-s in use there than there are mac pro-s.
Sorry, but one thing apple is bad at, is the numbers game. It's nowhere near as used as it tries to make people believe it is.
That was totally OT though. EW Guide - KB Tool - My Music |
LaVista Vista
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Posted - 2008.09.04 19:27:00 -
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Originally by: Ryysa
Quote: as well as the possibly largest use of Xeon processors in consumer market, the Mac Pro's.
Now that is crap. Server usage far, far, far outweighs your i-cool Mac. Take some supercomputer clusters based on x86/64 architecture and you already have more cpu-s in use there than there are mac pro-s.
Sorry, but one thing apple is bad at, is the numbers game. It's nowhere near as used as it tries to make people believe it is.
That was totally OT though.
I said that Xeon's are mostly used, IN the consumer market(Yes, the server market very much outweighs it), in the mac pro's. In other words, when people du use the xeons at consumer level, it's in the shape of a mac pro.
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Sharupak
Minmatar Brutor tribe
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Posted - 2008.09.04 19:32:00 -
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Originally by: Bish Ounen
Originally by: Sharupak
Originally by: Ryysa In a way it's a good idea to do the multiprocessing on hardware level, but it's too complicated to do in hardware.
The OS will still provide threading and thread scheduling - it knows more about the context and what is important at any given time.
I gotcha.
At work, some of our software guys develop apps with Filepro. Apparently it is really old and does not understand multicore at all. But when looking at processing on linux when the apps run, linux will feed one core and then immediately switch to the next core for the next thread. Is this faster than just having a single core even if it isnt true balanced multicore processing?
I think that's called "Alternate Sequential Processing" it's a way of somewhat emulating parallel processing in apps that cannot do that. Works pretty well too from what I understand.
So its a good deal faster then? _______________________________________________ RuntimeError: ChainEvent is blocking by design, but you're block trapped. You have'll have to find some alternative means to do Your Thing, dude. |
Kazuma Saruwatari
Caldari
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Posted - 2008.09.04 20:34:00 -
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Originally by: Patch86 "Sextuple core", I think you'll find. It fits the current convention, and means you get to say "sextuple" for a legitimate reason.
And with "quad" in quad-cores being shorthand for "quadruple", that means this 6-core CPU can be called a "sex" core? -
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Ryysa
Paisti Paisti Syndicate
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Posted - 2008.09.04 21:27:00 -
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Originally by: LaVista Vista I said that Xeon's are mostly used, IN the consumer market(Yes, the server market very much outweighs it), in the mac pro's. In other words, when people du use the xeons at consumer level, it's in the shape of a mac pro.
Sorry, misunderstood you there. Yeah, I agree with your statement. EW Guide - KB Tool - My Music |
Patch86
Di-Tron Heavy Industries Atlas Alliance
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Posted - 2008.09.04 21:42:00 -
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Originally by: Kazuma Saruwatari
Originally by: Patch86 "Sextuple core", I think you'll find. It fits the current convention, and means you get to say "sextuple" for a legitimate reason.
And with "quad" in quad-cores being shorthand for "quadruple", that means this 6-core CPU can be called a "sex" core?
Yes. Yes it can. ------
Originally by: Micheal Dietrich You can even get a midget with a camera to sit on the floorboard.
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The TX
Gallente Pulsar Combat Supplies Alternative Realities
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Posted - 2008.09.04 22:09:00 -
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Originally by: Ryysa Everything you've said in this thread
Woah, steady on pal. Ok, so you may know what you're talking about and may know better than everyone else in this thread so far, but steady on with the slating of people, sheesh - don't shout people down because they're posting a little bit of rumour or speculation or whatever - chill out man! -------------------- [Signature]
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EnslaverOfMinmatar
Yarsk Hunters DeaDSpace Coalition
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Posted - 2008.09.04 22:34:00 -
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6 cores sux... what games normally support even 2 cores so far?
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Mankirks Wife
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Posted - 2008.09.05 03:16:00 -
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Edited by: Mankirks Wife on 05/09/2008 03:21:00 (double post deleted... gg.. my ISP sucks.. 2 minute page loads... bleh...) ---
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Siigari Kitawa
Gallente The Aduro Protocol
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Posted - 2008.09.05 03:18:00 -
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wtf ... 6 cores?
Why?
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Mankirks Wife
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Posted - 2008.09.05 03:18:00 -
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Originally by: EnslaverOfMinmatar 6 cores sux... what games normally support even 2 cores so far?
Crysis? Also I seem remember Mr. Gates once remarking that nobody would ever need more than 640K of RAM.
Anyway, you're forgetting that even though your apps may be single-threaded you can run more of them at once on a multi-core processor since each will run on a different core. Of course, there's still bottlenecks elsewhere (frontside bus, cache, ram, etc) but it'll still help. Especially for big CPU hogs like.. well.. Eve and Openoffice.
I plan on buying a new laptop for when I head back to school next year (laptop + keyboard/mouse/monitor for a decent 'desktop mode' that doesn't have a big footprint and is still portable), I'd really like to get a macbook pro but the lack of any quad-core models (or an eve premium client) are holding me back atm. But I still got till next year. ---
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Atomos Darksun
Infortunatus Eventus Obsidian Empire
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Posted - 2008.09.05 03:40:00 -
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Multi-core CPU's are the only way to go, due to the fact that we can't get CPU's much more condensed or juice flowing through them for that matter.
Sadly the software tards haven't taken the hint and started to mass integrate multi-threading.
Originally by: Amoxin My vent is talking to me in a devil voice...
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