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Alex555
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Posted - 2008.09.07 05:58:00 -
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All right everyone I saw that previous thread with this idea passed away, so I try to resurrect the idea with a bit different approach.
I have created an e-mail [email protected]
everyone is willing to participate in getting on the list just make a pic of his wallet line, where the sum of isks is shown, and send it on above mentioned email. the email from which it will be send doesn't matter, it can be 1-day old account or whatever u like. I don't need names, account approvals or anything else which may reveal your identity. But pic is important just to know that person has such amount on his account. I just want to start making such list for the sake of game interest, because I think that fellow eve citizens want to know who's who in the eve universe. why I am not asking for any assets valuation or proof that isks belong to someone who's sent the pics is simple because I am not publish any names and the list is more likely to be a bit far away from reality. Later if someone, brave enough, will say I am the number one and then he/she will have to prove the total amount of isks that he/she stated. so this is my idea. in this thread I will publish all results after one week and will be updating the list every week or two.
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Alex555
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Posted - 2008.09.07 05:59:00 -
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reserved
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Alex555
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Posted - 2008.09.07 06:00:00 -
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Alex555
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Posted - 2008.09.07 06:00:00 -
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Kwint Sommer
Caldari XERCORE
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Posted - 2008.09.07 06:28:00 -
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Oh my god, a billion ISK! No one has that much!
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Treelox
Amarr Market Jihadist Revolutionary Party
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Posted - 2008.09.07 06:58:00 -
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quick people, to the photoshop mobile.......
If the following statement is true;
Originally by: "Alex555" ...the list is more likely to be a bit far away from reality.
, and you believe it it. Why bother then?
No!! Seriously, what is the point?
What do you hope to gain? How will this complete your exsistance? How will this have any statistical worth?
Who do you think would participate?
Who do you think wont participate?
Do you know how easy it is to photoshop what you are requesting?
Why would anyone want to paint a big red target on their forehead?
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Shar Tegral
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Posted - 2008.09.07 07:01:00 -
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Originally by: Treelox Why would anyone want to paint a big red target on their forehead?
You would be surprised how few people realize this when waving their e-peens around. True success needs no fan fare. It is that simple.
To Shar -verb: 1 - To say what you mean. 2 - To say what it means. 3 - To say something mean. |
Alex555
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Posted - 2008.09.07 07:04:00 -
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i'm not hoping for anything.
as i said, no name will be on the list unless the isks are proven to be real and belong to the person.
but i am starting the list because the game needs one. it is craving for it.
so until the names are revealed it is gonna be photoshop fun and any other ways of fun, but i don't think that people start faking, because i don't see any reason for that. no names or whatsoever, hence, what is the point of cheating? nobody is going to check. u, and only u know the exact figure, and if the figure is just a billion it is ok, but it is yours and u were not faking. that's the point of creating such a list. and as i said no names until the isks are prooven. for prooving the amount of isks i would like to ask ccp personnel to help me out with that. total amount will be calculated by the following formula: Total = ISK (in the wallet) + Market Escrow + Assets (Jita Buy Price)
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Amarr Citizen 155
Alternative Methods Research Group
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Posted - 2008.09.07 07:09:00 -
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Originally by: Alex555
and as i said no names until the isks are prooven. for prooving the amount of isks i would like to ask ccp personnel to help me out with that. total amount will be calculated by the following formula: Total = ISK (in the wallet) + Market Escrow + Assets (Jita Buy Price)
While you are at it, you might want to have them hire another employee to do this as their current staff is a bit tied up with non-useless shit.
Quote: Ricdic (about starting ebank, July 2007): Think of it as a miniature EIB done right. I cannot see this getting anywhere near 700b any time in the future tbh.
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Kwint Sommer
Caldari XERCORE
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Posted - 2008.09.07 07:25:00 -
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Originally by: Amarr Citizen 155 While you are at it, you might want to have them hire another employee to do this as their current staff is a bit tied up with non-useless shit.
So long as they're working on ambulation they cannot rightfully claim that.
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Shar Tegral
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Posted - 2008.09.07 07:33:00 -
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Edited by: Shar Tegral on 07/09/2008 07:32:56
Originally by: Alex555 i would like to ask ccp personnel to help me out with that.
Oh snap. This link may help you.
To Shar -verb: 1 - To say what you mean. 2 - To say what it means. 3 - To say something mean. |
LaVista Vista
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Posted - 2008.09.07 07:37:00 -
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Edited by: LaVista Vista on 07/09/2008 07:38:50
Originally by: Alex555 i would like to ask ccp personnel to help me out with that.
Welcome. You must be new here.
Unless you are from BOB, that's not happening
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Saint Lazarus
Spiorad ag fanaiocht
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Posted - 2008.09.07 08:51:00 -
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I think its a great idea and I'd like to be the first to apply
I like to think its a nice bit of cash but know theres bound to be plenty of people with even more BILLONTYS -----------------
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Serenity Steele
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Posted - 2008.09.07 11:04:00 -
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API key with valuation on total assets would be the most pure way.
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Ray McCormack
hirr
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Posted - 2008.09.07 11:04:00 -
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Originally by: Alex555 but i am starting the list because the game needs one. it is craving for it.
No it doesn't, no it isn't. Most people just use a ruler anyway.
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Ray McCormack
hirr
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Posted - 2008.09.07 11:05:00 -
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Originally by: Serenity Steele most pure
You don't get degrees of purity, it either is or it isn't. The same goes for death and usually gender.
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Ami Nia
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Posted - 2008.09.07 12:17:00 -
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Come on, even a noob like me knows better.
Wallet + escrow + assets at jita price ?
That would give you an estimate of the NAV of a ... poor player.
For most of those in this forum, and for most of the very rich people (even not on this forum) the computation is much more complex.
Many possible places/forms of wealth need to be considered. Money in one (or more) of the banks. Money in shares. Money in bonds. Loans you gave to RL friends without asking any escrow. Loans you took and have to pay back. .. and many more entries ...
this if you do not consider the corporation part. If you do: Personal assets currently in control of the corp. Corp assets that are not yours (even if they are in your personal hangar/wallet). ... etc ...
And of course you need to consider that most people will have multiple accounts and multiple alts per account.
Besides "eve_billionaires" is a nonsense. A pretty huge percentage of players will qualify as billionaire if you consider total NAV. Even rising the bar to those with total NAV of more than 250 billions (quarter trillion) will still give you a pretty numerous population.
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Confuzer
Polaris Project Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2008.09.07 12:36:00 -
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- All my isk is in assets except a few bils - I have divided it over 10 chars
So, the idea is worth nothing without taking this things in account for me. ----------------- Destiny is not a matter of chance. It is a matter of choice. It's not a thing to be waited for - it is a thing to be achieved. |
Ricdic
Caldari
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Posted - 2008.09.07 13:00:00 -
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Easy way to get a rough valuation on your eve assets is through a contract. You can click on base value and it tells you. It's usually a bit off as I believe it counts the old mineral values (trit 1 - pye 4 - mex 16 etc) however I guess you could roughly add 15% to the value to get your valuation.
This will only work with T1 items and blueprints, t2 and named won't be valued correctly nor anything else that doesn't have a mineral value
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Shar Tegral
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Posted - 2008.09.07 13:06:00 -
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Originally by: Ricdic This will only work with T1 items and blueprints, t2 and named won't be valued correctly nor anything else that doesn't have a mineral value
Then why bother mate? If this method is your suggestion one only needs to use the API to pull assets and then use the static export to pull the "default" isk values. Not to be contentious with you but that is a very flawed mechanism. There is much that does not have a default value. CCP removed that crutch for many additions it made to the database over the years. Of course this is the point that is generally being made about such penile measuring lists. There is no recognizable standard that actually represents value in a way agreeable to those involved. Well, that is not true, list those who have submitted themselves for such review... first... and then we'll have something to discuss. I doubt many, if any, has submitted themselves for any kind of review. That makes this thread just a troll thread that never ever completely dies.
To Shar -verb: 1 - To say what you mean. 2 - To say what it means. 3 - To say something mean. |
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Danari
Syncore
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Posted - 2008.09.07 13:13:00 -
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Shadarle I'm coming for you
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Alex555
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Posted - 2008.09.07 13:48:00 -
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the list is under construction
if any of the fellow md members have any REAL ideas how to make things better, please send them to me by evemail. flooding the topic with dull discussion is pointless.
anyways ccp is intrested in such rating. about asset evaluation. i agree with Serenity Steele about asset verification through API. Anything more such as loans, some t2 bpo etc are considered to be non pulpable values and we honestly can't measure precise value of them and moreover to prove one. as for accounts in banks. ask your bank manager to prove your bank account and send it to the stated email. as i said everyone may not be afraid, i will never give out any personal or contact information without owner's permission.
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Shar Tegral
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Posted - 2008.09.07 13:52:00 -
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Originally by: Alex555 the list is under construction
Believe it when we see it. Originally by: Alex555 anyways ccp is intrested in such rating.
Again, believe it when we see it. Originally by: Alex555 i will never give out any personal or contact information without owner's permission.
Yes, your lengthy history of trustworthiness should allay any fears of any kind. Oh wait... nvm. One suggested improvement: Get someone more credible to be the central collector of information. You don't have the juice.
To Shar -verb: 1 - To say what you mean. 2 - To say what it means. 3 - To say something mean. |
Alex555
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Posted - 2008.09.07 14:07:00 -
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Originally by: Shar Tegral
One suggested improvement: Get someone more credible to be the central collector of information. You don't have the juice.
i agree with u
that's why i said that i don't need any contact detail or information whatsoever. do not even bother yourself to send me one :)
later when the list gets more participants i may gather a council or smth like that. maybe ccp guys help me out or some guys from md whom everyone may trust. i think that Lavista and Serenity Steele may be the ones since they are deputies :)
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Shar Tegral
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Posted - 2008.09.07 14:14:00 -
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Originally by: Alex555
maybe ccp guys help me out or some guys from md whom everyone may trust. i think that Lavista and Serenity Steele may be the ones since they are deputies :)
I struck that part out since it is better to base this whole idea upon reality. CCP will not get (in)directly involved in this for reasons too many to really bother with listing. As to LVV and SS, they are not CCP deputies. They are simply people popularly elected as temporary representatives. I won't deny them the respect and notoriety of their current position, nor from their previous efforts, but it is just as wrong to put forth ideas based upon faulty logic. PS: Don't worry, I'm done here. I realize that this idea, in its current incarnation, is not going to work. Why I'm bothering this much I don't know... call it not enough caffeine.
To Shar -verb: 1 - To say what you mean. 2 - To say what it means. 3 - To say something mean. |
Alex555
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Posted - 2008.09.07 14:27:00 -
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to Shar
Hey, why don't YOU propose something that may work out? Really, i'm trying to make somth better for the society, i've talked to a lot of people and everyone is intrested in such a list. why not to make it working. I know that it is gonna be rough but still it is worth making it.
Plus I really like Ricdics idea about calculating base value. Though it is a bit not real it gives some vision over someone's wealth.
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Shar Tegral
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Posted - 2008.09.07 14:44:00 -
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Originally by: Alex555 Really, i'm trying to make somth better for the society, i've talked to a lot of people and everyone is intrested in such a list. why not to make it working. I know that it is gonna be rough but still it is worth making it.
Okay, here's the problem with your statement: First, is it better for society? Let us debate that, what does society (as a whole) care about who has the most isk value. Unless the society that you are bettering is the part that will attempt to relieve the person of their wealth. Those who won't try to steal or destroy that person's wealth only care if there is going to be some advice or tips forthcoming. Other than that, the honest part of society truly doesn't care about someone else's success, just their own. Next, of the lots of people you talked to and the everyone included in that list... how many fingers does it take to count them all? While that may have seem like a troll it is just trying to highlight the invalidity of most " anecdotal evidence" which is what you are using in this third argument you made. And no, I did not miscount the arguments you posed. The first one "Why don't I propose something" is the last one I'll answer: Because I've already done plenty for the community and overall good. It is not that I think this idea is bad, not at all, I just don't think there is an agreed upon standard that is not fallible. I could easily create "artificial" wealth that would register via the methods discussed so far. At least enough so that it would be hard to decide what ranking to make myself or who knows how many other alts. See this whole idea is not just based upon the integrity of the reviewer but also upon the integrity of the submitter. In the former case, most people who have the community "integrity" standard necessary realize this idea stinks and, if it wasn't prone to collapse, would simply mean massive amounts of disputed/pointless work. In the latter case, any submitter whose integrity is unquestioned enough to accept their submission really don't need to bother with review. They can just state their ballpark and move on. Thus, in all cases, it is clear that this really is a flop of an idea. Love your energy and enthusiasm, yes I do, but (bluntly) your time is better spent on something that will work. Not something that will never work, just endlessly debated.
To Shar -verb: 1 - To say what you mean. 2 - To say what it means. 3 - To say something mean. |
Alex555
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Posted - 2008.09.07 14:50:00 -
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there's a point in what u have said.
but as i said i never ask any personal info. hence people may not be worried, because they simply have nothing to worry about.
i have updated the pic view, for those who keep a lot of isks in escrow, and maybe for someone who may be agreed to calculate their assets buy base price
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Shadarle
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Posted - 2008.09.07 15:19:00 -
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Originally by: Danari Shadarle I'm coming for you
See Ricdic, I am much cooler than you. You don't have rabid fanboys like I do!
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Shadarle
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Posted - 2008.09.07 15:27:00 -
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First, Base Price for valuation is beyond stupid.
Second, requiring screen shots makes this worthless. (They can be faked and it makes it WAY too much effort for anyone with any real number of assets to bother).
Third, stop trying to convince Shar/Ray/etc that this is a needed idea. They hate anyone talking about their ISK, that isn't something you're going to change. Offer this service for those who wish to use it, period. Remember, this is not "needed" this is merely something fun for certain people to participate in.
Forth, why don't you list the people who have given you information already. I guarantee you will get more interest if you start the list rather than constantly asking for people to give data without there being a list. I saw several people give you numbers in the past thread, list them with a * if you don't have proof of the wealth. If you get over 100 people then start removing the people with *'s first if you wish.
Fifth, again stop arguing with people who will never agree. You're only derailing your own thread. Keep it on topic. If someone wants to argue about the worth of your idea tell them simply
"Your comments have been taken into consideration. People are free to post their wealth if they choose, no one is going to force you to. Thanks again for your input!"
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