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kessah
Suicidal Tendencies Ltd
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Posted - 2008.09.07 13:24:00 -
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Im currently bored with the 3 each race gets, its still the least of all classes, anyone else think another battleship in each races arsenal would be a good idea?
Dont have to be tier 4, could be under the domi/phoon/geddon/scorp class or in between apoc/pest/raven/mega ?
Just want some more variety really 
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Kurt Gergard
Caldari
Custodes Mandati Imperii
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Posted - 2008.09.07 13:39:00 -
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Yeah that;s a good idea give all the races a ew battle ships exept caldari and caldari one more gank one
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Aegis Osiris
Gallente
Demonic Retribution
Un-Natural Selection
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Posted - 2008.09.07 13:45:00 -
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CCP would have to do some fairly unique designs to squeeze in another BS, or else it'd be just like the old ones with a new model. Just for an idea though...
Gallente: EWar BS, bonii to damps and optimal range
Amarr: Ewar/Drone BS, bonii to drone damage and TD's
Minnie: Missle BS (5-6 missle points with utility highs), maybe bonii to cruise damage and range? toughy
Caldari: Close range damage BS with bonii to dmg and tracking
They'd fit, kind of fill 'holes' so to speak, but balance would be fun ( ) and they borrow heavily on the already existing BS's of other races, so...
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Silvana Kor'ah
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Posted - 2008.09.07 13:50:00 -
[4]
 Originally by: kessah
Im currently bored with the 3 each race gets, its still the least of all classes
huh
Ever checked Destroyers and Battlecruisers? And to your question, no. I don't think we need another BS before we get a 3rd BC or a 2nd dessie at least ;) |
Malcanis
RuffRyders
Axiom Empire
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Posted - 2008.09.07 13:52:00 -
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Originally by: Kurt Gergard
Yeah that;s a good idea give all the races a ew battle ships exept caldari and caldari one more gank one
Actually that's not a bad idea. Caldari lack a soloable battleship (no a scorp won't work it lacks the speed, scan res and DPS), and a TD battleship or damp ship would be sweet. TP battleship...? Well... if it had a decent range bonus + arty bonuses maybe it would be a good sniper support? |
Face McStabber
Suddenly Ninjas
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Posted - 2008.09.07 14:31:00 -
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im all for adding to the eve ship repetoire
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Zarnak Wulf
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Posted - 2008.09.07 14:43:00 -
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Originally by: Aegis Osiris
Minnie: Missle BS (5-6 missle points with utility highs), maybe bonii to cruise damage and range? toughy
This isn't a bad idea. I just had a sudden mental image of a Raven w/ a Minmatar stamp painted over the Caldari one. Or at least a junkyard version of the Raven. 
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Orion GUardian
Caldari
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Posted - 2008.09.07 14:58:00 -
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Why a second dessi? a third BC would be ok though, but not necessary
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Deviana Sevidon
Gallente
Panta-Rhei
United Front Alliance
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Posted - 2008.09.07 15:02:00 -
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The last time new Battleships were added, the Caldari got the only real addition with a Sniper-Battleship.
Gallente, Minmatar and Amarr got sadly only Tier 3 BS which are variations of the Tier 2 ones.
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Evanade
Rionnag Alba
Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2008.09.07 15:06:00 -
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Caldari could use a closerange blasterboat with shield tank, and minmatar an armourtanking missile bs. Can't say much for the other races.
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Boobiencia
Gallente
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Posted - 2008.09.07 15:07:00 -
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Originally by: Evanade
Caldari could use a closerange blasterboat with shield tank, and minmatar an armourtanking missile bs. Can't say much for the other races.
ad prefer shieldtanking missile BS for amarr...cant tank BS;)
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Cpt Cosmic
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Posted - 2008.09.07 15:41:00 -
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we dont need more bs online =D
give us 3rd tier bc hehe
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Felix Dzerzhinsky
Caldari
Wreckless Abandon
Un-Natural Selection
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Posted - 2008.09.07 15:56:00 -
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Originally by: Evanade
Caldari could use a closerange blasterboat with shield tank, and minmatar an armourtanking missile bs. Can't say much for the other races.
Caldari blasterboat will never happen. . .rails, missles, ew - I think they are covered.
The Minmatar already do have an armorr tanking missle boat. . .the typhoon.
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Atsuko Ratu
Caldari
VSP Corp.
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Posted - 2008.09.07 16:01:00 -
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I vote we fix black Ops and make increase Marauders sensor strength before adding more bs.
But seriously, if someone wants to spend half a bil to fly a BS that does a little more bs and few extra tidbits, at least give it BS sensor strength. It will still die to 2 torp ravens.
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Dzajic
Gallente
Federal Defence Union
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Posted - 2008.09.07 16:07:00 -
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Tier 2 destroyers first, tier 3 BCs second. Everything else w8.
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Car Wars
Destructive Influence
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2008.09.07 16:28:00 -
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the tier3 designs are already pretty fail in newness..
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Commander Yassir
Therapy.
YTMND.
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Posted - 2008.09.07 16:35:00 -
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I would like t3 battlecruisers FIRST.... Reason: destroyers have a specific role which they fill nice.... destroy frigs and haunt their dreams.... I would like some more battlecruisers but just my thought.... (However if the t2 dessies look as cool as the current ones i might be willing to put them first... 
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Kurt Gergard
Caldari
Custodes Mandati Imperii
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Posted - 2008.09.07 16:45:00 -
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The caldari bout shoud be sth with 7 med slots and decent dps. Reason: with 7 slots you can finaly field a nice tank and tackle( 2 invus shield booster cap booster mwd point web). It could have less low slots (sth in line of 3 maybe 4) and hybrid turrets bonuse.
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AstroPhobic
Minmatar
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Posted - 2008.09.07 16:55:00 -
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Amarr: Shield/Missile BS
Minnie: Armor/Missile BS
Gall: Uh... Railboat?
Caldari: Tank platform with drone love?
I don't know, gal and cal are a lot harder to do without "breaking the mold". Gal doesn't really have any sniper bonused ships, and caldari doesn't have any tank bonused or drone ships. 
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Rawr Cristina
Caldari
Omerta Syndicate
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Posted - 2008.09.07 17:19:00 -
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need more BCs / Destroyers imo.
And Faction versons of these (i wanna Navy Drake!)
And Tier 2 Commandships
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Plim
Gallente
Oursulaert Technology Institute
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Posted - 2008.09.07 17:20:00 -
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Edited by: Plim on 07/09/2008 17:21:53
More variation in the game the better, in my opinion.
What i'd really like to see is the ability for producers to develop custom designs, with limited variations on ship models which already exist.
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Annowyn
Domini Umbrus
Free Trade Zone.
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Posted - 2008.09.07 17:22:00 -
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Battleship that gets a reduction to gang mods (fitting) and a tanking bonus. Thinking passive armor/shield resist bonuses.
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Reverend Mayhem
Caldari
State War Academy
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Posted - 2008.09.07 17:41:00 -
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Or maybe a new series of faction battleships (and ships in general)?
Pirate factions especially have a lot of potential as they're meant to have a focus that isn't found in the regular empire ships, would love a blood raider abaddon / new crazy sansha spiked monster / massive angel sniper boat etc.
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BlueMajere
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Posted - 2008.09.07 17:45:00 -
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Originally by: Evanade
Caldari could use a closerange blasterboat with shield tank, and minmatar an armourtanking missile bs. Can't say much for the other races.
you know, the rokh CAN be fit with blasters and do a damn good job with them....and has a nasty shield tank....
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Asterian XVV
Amarr
Imperial Shipment
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Posted - 2008.09.07 19:32:00 -
[25]
i want you inside me kessah
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Hamatitio
Caldari
Malevolent Emo Herders
Obsidian Empire
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Posted - 2008.09.07 19:33:00 -
[26]
That was me btw.
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Radcjk
Caldari
Dark Star LTD
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Posted - 2008.09.07 19:51:00 -
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Originally by: Annowyn
Battleship that gets a reduction to gang mods (fitting) and a tanking bonus. Thinking passive armor/shield resist bonuses.
Avoiding the creation of BS sized command ships / Superhacs is why they didn't go that roue last time. Yeah the mauraders have their issues and the black ops just generally suck, but thats why they went the route they did.
We already have command ships.
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Karl Luckner
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Posted - 2008.09.07 20:09:00 -
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Well, I can only come up with one missing battleship, and this would be a Khanid missile/armortank design.
Tough I'm still ****ed they changed Khanid. The Nightmare is way too expansive, to use it outside empire.
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Burn Mac
Minmatar
Burning Steel Inc.
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Posted - 2008.09.07 20:23:00 -
[29]
First your spelling it wrong. its suppose to read MOAR BATTLESHIPS! in caps lock and secondly:
We need another Battlecruiser Tier and another destroyer as well (that has moar armor or shield).
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Chris Liath
Gallente
Red Dwarf Mining Corporation
space weaponry and trade
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Posted - 2008.09.07 20:34:00 -
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Edited by: Chris Liath on 07/09/2008 20:33:49
Having a ship class to battleships as battlecruisers are to cruisers and destroyers are to frigates would be epic. But not balanced.
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Dristra
Amarr
Shadows of the Dead
Elitist Cowards
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Posted - 2008.09.07 20:44:00 -
[31]
Originally by: Face McStabber
im all for adding to the eve ship repetoire
This.
more ships is a good ting.
Originally by: CCP Atropos
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Shak'Rah
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Posted - 2008.09.07 21:21:00 -
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like he said, more.... MOAR SHIPS is better. but in all seriousness another destroyer would be even better... like more missiles and more drones... even better, an Assault Destroyer. one step above the Assault Frigate and one below the HAC.
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Master Raydon
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Posted - 2008.09.07 21:40:00 -
[33]
more battleships?..nah...
...all we need is less lag in Jita and some mission systems... well that's all I need...
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adriaans
Amarr
Ankaa.
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Posted - 2008.09.07 21:43:00 -
[34]
more battlecruisers! (and command ships :P) (and FFS don't make them cost more than harbingers etc, a harb is already more costly to use than a geddon in many cases....:S)
more cruisers be nice too...
i don't really like BS's :P
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Kazang
Gallente
KnightRaven Alliance
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Posted - 2008.09.07 22:10:00 -
[35]
Tier 2 BC would be yummy
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Shosoru
Gallente
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Posted - 2008.09.07 22:13:00 -
[36]
every new ships model must be loaded when you see one. might not be too wise to add so many new ships , a fleet with all sorts of ships can cause a big lag on your side while they have all there models in cache.
maybe....
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Hotice
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Posted - 2008.09.07 22:27:00 -
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I would like to see a new t2 type bs that could mount one or two capital class weapons. Ship bonus would be tracking, weapon signture radius and rate of fire. Consider those as mini dreads. Or some new BCs with 8x turret slots, 100% weapon damage for small guns and +50% weapon range as ship bonus. Would be interesting to field those ships in small gang.
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uzumoreru
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Posted - 2008.09.07 22:34:00 -
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How about:
Minmatar: optimal and TP bonus (think RF emp in arties at 60-80km optimal with TP boosting hitrate)
Amarr: TD strength and drone damage bonus (RP wise amarr invented drones afaik)
Gallente: damp optimal and sentry range bonus (drone sniper)
Caldari: Hybrid damage and hybrid optimal (this one is weakest role option out of 4 imo, but would make good sniper or null blaster user)
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Cpt Branko
Surge.
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Posted - 2008.09.07 22:52:00 -
[39]
Edited by: Cpt Branko on 07/09/2008 22:52:56
Originally by: Rawr Cristina
And Tier 2 Commandships
This. I want a T2 Hurricane.
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Kadoes Khan
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Posted - 2008.09.07 23:16:00 -
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Hrmm well I'd like to see a Khanid BS(armor tank + torps/cruise). That or something like a giant version of the curse(neut/vamp + drones).
I don't really fly the other races BS outside of missions so I don't care to much but I'd like to see logistics BS added into the mix. Right now I think there is far to much focus on gank and tank and not enough on other aspects like ewar and logistics.
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Kyle Cataclysm
Blue.
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Posted - 2008.09.07 23:36:00 -
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EoM Armageddon please. In case you don't know it: its black/blue and extremely awesome.
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arbalesttom
Caldari
Glauxian Brothers
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Posted - 2008.09.07 23:54:00 -
[42]
Originally by: Kyle Cataclysm
EoM Armageddon please. In case you don't know it: its black/blue and extremely awesome.
And yeah, the most awesome part it is a railgun/shield ship..
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kessah
Suicidal Tendencies Ltd
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Posted - 2008.09.08 00:13:00 -
[43]
Originally by: Asterian XVV
i want you inside me kessah
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Mr Ignitious
Gallente
R.E.C.O.N.
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Posted - 2008.09.08 00:22:00 -
[44]
Originally by: kessah
Originally by: Asterian XVV
i want you inside me kessah
do i get 2nds? =)
Also, i fully endorse the idea.
Gallente ewar boat:
range bonus, dampener range bonus. The ultimate sniper/anti sniper.
Caldari:
erm, idk if you guys want moar missilez or another gankier rokh (i like the rokh personally) but we could go with
Rof (turret/Launcher)+ Damage (Missile/turret)
idc. So long as these things dont end up tier 4 (thats nasty, and would imply more hp and icky...)
Minmitar:
how about a pseudo mim buff ship?
HUGE tracking bonus, say 15% per level, and we can ask astro if to accompany it he wants rof or damage bonus.
Or maybe said HUGE tracking + huge... optimal... range? i'm down.
Amarr:
Drone Boni + resists ? sounds cool to me 
Just my ideas, obviously i'd change my opinion if someone else had something cool... But me likes it!
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AstroPhobic
Minmatar
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Posted - 2008.09.08 00:47:00 -
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Originally by: Mr Ignitious
HUGE tracking bonus, say 15% per level, and we can ask astro if to accompany it he wants rof or damage bonus.
Ask astro? Not a chance. 
ROF bonus is the "Cap usage" bonus of minmatar (read - needed to make projectiles "balance" in terms of DPS), so I'm pretty sure it would be mandatory.
Currently I hate projectiles far too much to consider bonusing a ship towards them, so full speed ahead minnie missile boat! Yarrrrrr! 
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White Ronin
Gallente
Night Wolves
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Posted - 2008.09.08 02:00:00 -
[46]
A drone based Amarr Bs.
A faction bs that is drone based.
All good things here.
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kessah
Suicidal Tendencies Ltd
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Posted - 2008.09.08 03:11:00 -
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would love more missle battleships tbh.
Weve 1 and a half out of 12 battleships and no battleships with a 7 med slot layout.
Id be interested in another caldari boat with perhaps 5 launchers, 7 med slots, but low grid and high cpu.
Matari id like to see something similar, but with more grid, perhaps 6 low slots 6 launchers. Bonuses along the line of high alpha with 5% dmg of torpedos/cruise and mebbie a 5% reduction in mwd penalty making it a close range missle ship (would give a missle ship alot more versatility instead of the ravens mostly stationary role)
We have the same with drones boats, only 1 drone ship out of 12 and imho Amarr need a drone boat, 5mid slots 6 low slots 8 high slots with 5/6 turret (similar to the tempest) only with low grid and cpu, Perhaps, the domi's bonus to drones and 5% turret rof per level? Would be nice to see it be more suited for dual heavy pulse.
Finally gallente, id like to see it with a more EW role aswell, again 1 battleship out of 12 has a EW role, 6 med slot dampeners, with bonus to match along with hybrid turret dmg.
Theres alot of room for another tier in the Battleship category, Battleships are the oldest class still used heavily in eve today, they have and always should be the backbone of any fleet.
Ofc my suggestions are just off top of my head, so probably very imbalanced, but theres not enough of what we have already imho.
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Rawr Cristina
Caldari
Omerta Syndicate
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Posted - 2008.09.08 03:16:00 -
[48]
Caldari BS with the Raven's missile ROF bonus and the Rokh's resistance bonus
...and 7 medslots
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AstroPhobic
Minmatar
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Posted - 2008.09.08 03:18:00 -
[49]
Originally by: Rawr Cristina
Caldari Minmatar BS with the Raven's missile ROF bonus and the Rokh's resistance bonus
...and 7 medslots
Pls.
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kessah
Suicidal Tendencies Ltd
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Posted - 2008.09.08 03:29:00 -
[50]
Originally by: Rawr Cristina
Caldari BS with the Raven's missile ROF bonus and the Rokh's resistance bonus
...and 7 medslots
k thats overpowered... just abit
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Schnitzar
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Posted - 2008.09.08 04:57:00 -
[51]
Yeah, more is better.
For gallente pick two of tracking, optimal range armor HP and damage for the bonus. Then 8 turret slots, pleanty of lowslots and a small dronebay.
For amarr, armor tanking torp spamming... oh and can I get that in black?
As for a tier 3 battlecruiser, I would prefer to see a commandship boost first as such ships would probably remove what little reason there is to fly a field command ship as it is.
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Caldari
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Posted - 2008.09.08 05:29:00 -
[52]
Originally by: Deviana Sevidon
The last time new Battleships were added, the Caldari got the only real addition with a Sniper-Battleship.
Gallente, Minmatar and Amarr got sadly only Tier 3 BS which are variations of the Tier 2 ones.
And Amarr only got what is propably the best battleship in the game atm.
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Posted - 2008.09.08 05:30:00 -
[53]
Originally by: Orion GUardian
Why a second dessi? a third BC would be ok though, but not necessary
Cause the current tier 1 dessi can only perform one specific role. Anti frig warfare achieved by high dps thru 8 high slots. Though i assume they are not commonly used in pvp, but more likely as salvagers :) So i would suggest giving them some more cargohold, and add a tier2 dessi more suitable for pvp.
I could imagine a cormorant2 missile boat. Only 6 highs (PG limited for 4 standard and 2 rocket launchers, but able to fit shield transporters fe) therefore 4/5 mids for better tank/ewar capabilities. And of course no bonus to dps, we have the standard cormi for that. Maybe something like shield res and missile flight time?
A tier2 catalyst could be like a drone dessi with a 5/2/4 setup and bonus to armor hp/drone bay.
Trasher2 could be fast, versatile ship with 6 highs for both, turrets and missiles. Bonus to speed/agility and tracking.
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murder one
Gallente
Invincible Reason
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Posted - 2008.09.08 05:45:00 -
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For Gallente: 5/8/6 armor tanking missile damp BS with damp strength bonus and missle damage bonus, 5x missile slots, 125mbit drone bandwidth, 175m3 drone bay.
Amarr:5/7/7 armor tanking drone ship with 125mbit bandwidth, 225m3 drone bay, TD bonus and laser damage bonus, 5x turret slots.
Minmatar: 8/5/7 8x turret slots, 8x missile slots, 125mbit drone bandwidth, 175m3 drone bay, missile ROF bonus, projectile ROF bonus.
Caldari: 8/6/6 8x turret slots, 10% tracking bonus to large hybrids per level, signature resolution bonus for large hybrids- 10% reduction in signature resolution for large hybrids per level: the anti-support BS.
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Posted - 2008.09.08 05:58:00 -
[55]
Originally by: murder one
For Gallente: 5/8/6 armor tanking missile damp BS with damp strength bonus and missle damage bonus, 5x missile slots, 125mbit drone bandwidth, 175m3 drone bay.
Amarr:5/7/7 armor tanking drone ship with 125mbit bandwidth, 225m3 drone bay, TD bonus and laser damage bonus, 5x turret slots.
Minmatar: 8/5/7 8x turret slots, 8x missile slots, 125mbit drone bandwidth, 175m3 drone bay, missile ROF bonus, projectile ROF bonus.
Caldari: 8/6/6 8x turret slots, 10% tracking bonus to large hybrids per level, signature resolution bonus for large hybrids- 10% reduction in signature resolution for large hybrids per level: the anti-support BS.
While the ideas are decent enough, let's face it there is too much that can go horridly wrong with these suggestions. Thanks to the classless system the game supports, the potential for min maxed setups of ridiculous quality can easily be generated. Just think, a Caldari Railship described above could slap on 8 425mm II's, 3 mag stabs, a few TE's and/or TC's, a MWD and so forth and still have slots left to fit a hell of a buffer tank. On the other side of the coin, they could fit Blasters, mag stabs, tackle gear and then get in close and just murder any other blaster ship out there.
Or the minmitar ship suggestion. With an ROF bonus and 8 slots they could field 8 torps, 3 BCU's, DC, possible grid/cpu upgrades in the lows and still fit MWD + point. Such a ship could easily wield a mighty 1500+ DPS out to at least 20km. Missiles are incredibly powerful on a slot per slot basis, thus the reason the Raven is gifted with a mere 6 launchers - it only takes 6 to be competative once you throw on that ROF bonus.
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Derek Sigres
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Posted - 2008.09.08 06:08:00 -
[56]
As a side note, when considering T2 PVP battleships you have to consider what the race NEEDS to be able to do.
Minmatar - Their BS Lineup is simply lacking in many respects. Their ships are generally flimsy, they are hampered by poor sensor strength and poor sensor stats in general and require enormous SP investment to make them marginally useful. Many of the problems simply stem from poor weapon systems and that is a seperate issue. What they really lack is a proper sniper battleship. The ships that can do the job simply don't do it nearly as well as other entries from ohter races.
Gallente - Their BS's rely mostly on hybrids and drones and they favor either close range combat or long range sniping. They simply lack a medium range ship in the most proper sense. While technically the Dominix fufills the mid range role it's done through the use of Drones. Missiles are a valid step to take but there is simply no precident for it in the Gallente Lineup - indeed giving them a missile ship implies Caldari should be given a drone ship. If they needed a new ship it would apply bonuses that favor medium range (24km - 100km) combat.
Amarr - Amarr battleships all ultimately fufil a gank role in PVP. They are generally fitted with beams for long range sniping or pulses for close range gank work. Their favored range can vary from extreme close (i.e. blaster + AM) to long range (160km +) so a pure combat ship is not necessary in the purest sense. However, given these ships are all supposed to be front line vessels, the T2 entry could simply represent a much more expensive and more powerful Abbaddon/Armageddon.
Caldari - The only race that really covers all the probable bases for PVP. We have a dedicated EWAR ship, a long range fleet ship and a jack of all trades missile ship. Both the Rokh and Raven excell in anti-support roles as a general rule, but the one thing caldari traditionally lack is the ability to tackle. Fitting the nich based support qualities of the race, it would seem that the best inclusion would be a ship that performs a tackle support function for the caldari lineup. Bonuses to disruptor range and painter effectiveness, combined with a smaller number of high slots (split like the Scorpion's) would effectively give Caldari a viable tackle support ship in the battleship class.
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Mr Friendly
That it Should Come to This
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Posted - 2008.09.08 07:08:00 -
[57]
Bah... considering some of the BSs are either crap or redundant, they need to redesign those before designing new ones.
Unless it's a new Gallente drone boat of course... then, I say **** YAH!!!
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Artemis Rose
Varion Galactic
Accord Corporate Enterprise Syndicate
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Posted - 2008.09.08 08:22:00 -
[58]
Well, more ships is always cool, but I don't think you could really get 4 new/interesting battleships in the game.
Of the choice between Tier IV and below Tier I, I think I would take the smaller ones. The tier 3 BSes already are about as big as possibile with the current 8 possible slots.
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Sigillum Militum Xpisti
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Posted - 2008.09.08 10:17:00 -
[59]
Heh. I addressed just this issue of the "missing" tier2 EW battleships in another thread (too lazy to link it).
Still, it's enheartening to see that others are following the same logic, and while I'd *love* another Destroyer and/or BC hull, let's talk about battleships, and stay on topic.
Minmatar: Sniper ship-- TP effect and range bonus, large projectile falloff bonus and missile speed bonus. Give options for turrets or launchers, but not really both. TP, by the way, improves both damage and tracking, and range bonus for large proj is actually a damage bonus when you use "better" ammo.... Plus, torps need missile speed. Probably an armor-tanker.
Amarr: Large drone ship. Scaled-up Abritrator, with 6/6/6 slots and 4/4 turret/launcher. Otherwise, very straightforward. Unfortunately, black is for tech 2....
Gallente: A second drone carrier. Damping plus drone speed/damage in order to get out to the kind of drone control range it could have. Could also have a control range bonus, but I think that's what high slots are for....
Caldari: Harder... but possibly a short-range tackle/blaster boat with some drone capacity but not bonuses--enough for a full flight of heavies (finally). Armor-tanker would be different, but as strange for Caldari as missiles would be for Gallente. (At least every faction has *some* drones....)
More hulls is always grand!
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Lord Zoran
House of Tempers
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Posted - 2008.09.08 10:25:00 -
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in general i would like to see a few new ships not just battleships, been a while since we got some new models 
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Poldarn Joaq
State Protectorate
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Posted - 2008.09.08 11:21:00 -
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How about a battleship that can use a command module like the battle cruisers? or several?
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Cpt Branko
Surge.
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Posted - 2008.09.08 12:31:00 -
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Originally by: Yon Krum
Heh. I addressed just this issue of the "missing" tier2 EW battleships in another thread (too lazy to link it).
We don't want/need EW BS. The only ones who have one are Caldari - and it's a fine ship really (and well balanced, really). We certainly don't want/need a BS with target painting bonuses or something.
I don't even think we need more BS, personally, but OK.
Originally by: Yon Krum
Minmatar: Sniper ship-- TP effect and range bonus, large projectile falloff bonus and missile speed bonus. Give options for turrets or launchers, but not really both.
Snipers generally want to have uniform guns. Having both missiles and guns on a sniper is fail. Having a falloff bonus in a sniper is twice the amount of fail - falloff bonuses are only useful on ACs, and fighting at range with ACs is very inferior.
Originally by: Yon Krum
TP, by the way, improves both damage and tracking,
No. It improves tracking. Tracking can (but doesn't always) boost damage. TP bonus on a BS is fail. Disagree? OK.
According to your logic of how TP is good, can we have a web range bonus? I'd hate to overboost our ships with overpowered TPs, when we can live with the inferior webrange bonus, you know.
Originally by: Yon Krum
and range bonus for large proj is actually a damage bonus when you use "better" ammo....
Range bonus for X gun is a damage bonus when you can use "better" ammo. Falloff bonus just means you suck less with ammo X. Seriously now, unless you're in hugging range you're best off firing barrage. See how falloff works to figure out why. So no better ammos, just barrage. Sure, you do better DPS if you've got a falloff bonus and you're firing Barrage, but, erm, you're always worse then a ship which actually has optimal.
Originally by: Yon Krum
Plus, torps need missile speed. Probably an armor-tanker.
6 low armour tanker is sortof bad. If you do spend all your bonuses on falloff + missile speed and TP, you are aware that you create a ship which has virtually no DPS at all. While sucking as a sniper in a horrible way.
You're basically saying "let's give Minmatar a totally worthless ship".
Originally by: Yon Krum
Amarr: Large drone ship. Scaled-up Abritrator, with 6/6/6 slots and 4/4 turret/launcher. Otherwise, very straightforward. Unfortunately, black is for tech 2....
6 lows on a armour tanker is just bad (of course, it'd open the funny shield tank with 6 mids option). Else it's a lovely idea. Then again, with a drone bonus and good dronebay, and full flight of heavies, it could be interesting.
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Lyvanna Kitaen
Minmatar
Noonday Sun Corp
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Posted - 2008.09.09 16:47:00 -
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I would love to have a Minnie BS that focused on missles. 7 launcher slots with a bonus to EM damage. Armor tanked to give it a different skill requirement from Caldari BS's. It would be great for doing anti-Sansha and anti-Blood raider missions -- the Raven's weakest area.
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InsanlyEvlPerson
Gallente
Night-Stalkers
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Posted - 2008.09.09 17:02:00 -
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We need tier 2 destroyers. this would mainly mean more mid/low slots for tanking and maybe 5-6 guns (missiles for caldari maybe?). this would provide a better stepping stone to a cruiser for new players, would be fun to fly, ones with mids could use E-war, and the ones with lows could get gankier... new models, and some love for a class that hasnt seem to been touched since i started playing this game in 2005...
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Hikaru Sulu
Caldari
Black Legion Industries
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Posted - 2008.09.09 17:18:00 -
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Personally I just want to see more ships period, of all classes. First destroyers though, having just one per race is lame.
Originally by: Morrow Disca
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Kurt Gergard
Caldari
Custodes Mandati Imperii
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Posted - 2008.09.09 17:35:00 -
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More ships are good :D More battleships even better cause I love them. Their mean look the size lot's of guns everything. And I think as mentioned before that there is a place for one more for every race. I do not understand people that say NO to giving every race a EW battleship. Caldari has one and most people like it. I do however think that a more ganky bs for caldari would be cool. Every ships caldari has lacks sth. Apart from ECM you are usualy as good or better in other race ship to fullfil the role. So I say 7 med slots and 3-4 lows with whatever weapon sistem ccp finds siutable and I would never crawl back to the forums ever.
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Frankinator
Malevolent Emo Herders
Obsidian Empire
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Posted - 2008.09.14 06:19:00 -
[67]
I'd personally like to see a Khanid style (must be black or at least dark blue) torp spamming armor-tanking BS. Anyone else?
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Corstaad
Minmatar
Vardr ok Lidskjalv
Pirate Coalition
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Posted - 2008.09.14 06:33:00 -
[68]
You mean a typhoon?
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Lucian Alucard
Caldari
Black Vice Industries
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Posted - 2008.09.14 09:16:00 -
[69]
Ahem...though this is just rehashing a few previously mentioned ideas it has a few new ones too.
First introduce dedicated EW teir 3 BC.
Second rework tier 1 bc to be primarily used as gang support ships. With their t2 counter parts getting a needed boost in damage.
Third intro tier 4 BC that are speced as high dps ships that use small BS grade weapons (( I.e. Dual 425s, Heavy Beams and Dual 250s)), but at the expense of defense. Or if tanked at the expense of damage.
Then the BS work needs to be done.
The Scorp needs to be looked at badly as is its just out classed in its role by smaller ships that serve more then one purpose.
The Gallente need an Ewar boat.
The Amar could use a large Arbitrator.
The Minnies NEED a decent missle boat.
The Caldari is kinda tricky one lots of people want to scream for a close in hybrid ship but there would be nothing else like it in the race, hence breaking the continuity of the ship progression template ( Ie. Kestrel,Caracal,Raven Etc.). In reality I think a gigantic rep ship/ drone ship would be more suiteable.
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Tascaithos
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Posted - 2008.09.14 09:30:00 -
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Edited by: Tascaithos on 14/09/2008 09:31:05
I'd like to see tier 3 bcs first. Another tier of BSes would be cool too, though.
Amarr should get a drone/missile ship, a "big brother of the Arbitrator", made by Khanid Empire.  Or, maybe even a big brother of the Curse? Would be salivation-inducing. Bonuses to vamps/neuts & drones on a t1 bc/bs? Do want! Also, make it not-***** shaped, ccp! D: Amarr have enough *****-shaped bses to last a century, kthx.
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Frankinator
Malevolent Emo Herders
Obsidian Empire
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Posted - 2008.09.14 15:45:00 -
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Originally by: Corstaad
You mean a typhoon?
Yeah, like a Typhoon except meeting all the criteria I stated above. Also Id like more than 4 launchers on it. Maybe 6 but not get the bonii to missiles as much as a Raven.
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Sidus Isaacs
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Posted - 2008.09.14 15:50:00 -
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Originally by: Face McStabber
im all for adding to the eve ship repetoire
I agree. More ships (balanced ships) mor diversity adn fun :)
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Haniblecter Teg
F.R.E.E. Explorer
Elitist Cowards
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Posted - 2008.09.14 17:15:00 -
[73]
Besides fleet, you baerly see anyone but newbs flying BS's in pvp.
Fix nano problem and you'll see a resurgence in BS pvp,a nd maybe a reason to expand the ship class.
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freed0m rus
Starbridge
Brotherhood of Starbridge
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Posted - 2008.09.14 17:21:00 -
[74]
it would be really nice to see missile machariel (ammatar bs) ingame...i've heard that it was seen at singularity..
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Kuzya Morozov
Gallente
L8L8L8
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Posted - 2008.09.14 19:04:00 -
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black abbadon with torps, kthx
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