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Victor Kruger
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Posted - 2008.09.07 19:09:00 -
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Just a little heads up on things that went wrong with the patch: Before the latest patch, my drones would focus on the smallest targets first, slowly working their way up to the bigger ships. This was just fine with me, as I was able to concentrate on the cruiser+ classes, leaving the smaller stuff to my drones.
Now, the same drones are focusing on the biggest possible ships first, ideally attaching themselves to a random battleship which they have no chance of bringing down (well, maybe in a week). While doing this, they conveniently ignore the 15+ small frigates that are happily warp scrambling / webbing my ship and will only act if assigned to the target. Once that target is down, guess what, they will return to their favourite large target.
CCP, if you change an existing feature that actually works, at least implement customization possibilities that allow players to set an attack pattern for their drones (i.e. kill smallest first, then work your way up. Or kill largest first, then work your way down).
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ZenSun
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Posted - 2008.09.07 19:12:00 -
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Interesting, that would be a good implentation to the game, customizing drone tactics.
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Andrue
Amarr
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Posted - 2008.09.07 19:52:00 -
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Edited by: Andrue on 07/09/2008 19:52:22 Yeah. My drones have been almost uncontrollable since the patch. I mean they occasionally did silly things before but now I can't just can't leave them alone. Before the patch I could set them on a frigate and trust that they would work their way through the rest of the frigates while I dealt with the bigger stuff.
Now they refuse to work together as a team and despite being light drones they have a particular attraction to battleships. Yesterday they split and all five went after a different battleship. Now I've got damn good drone skills (In-Eve put me in the top 800) but even I can't kill a battleship with one Hornet II -- (Sarcastic mission running veteran, 4+ years)
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Jones Maloy
Minmatar Brutor tribe
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Posted - 2008.09.08 00:14:00 -
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wow, that is sad. i loved letting them kill off all the frigates. i haven't done missions since the patch, but making them attack the largest target first is simply a horrible idea.
please fix this before my canceled subscription runs out so i can do missions for a while before finding some other game to play. ---------------------- Real men use 8 heatsinks. |
Atomos Darksun
Infortunatus Eventus Obsidian Empire
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Posted - 2008.09.08 00:46:00 -
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Or you could, you know, take the time to lock a frigate and click "engage target."
Originally by: Amoxin My vent is talking to me in a devil voice...
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Constance Harme
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Posted - 2008.09.08 00:51:00 -
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Originally by: Jones Maloy but making them attack the largest target first is simply a horrible idea.
Not necessarily, you might have heavy drones and want them to attack battleships first.
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Arkeladin
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Posted - 2008.09.08 00:56:00 -
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Originally by: Atomos Darksun Or you could, you know, take the time to lock a frigate and click "engage target."
Then waht do you do while you're being jammed by frigates, Mr. Dim-bulb Troll?
Pre-patch, you could release your drones with a good chance that they'd either 1) Attack the frigates that were jamming you, thereby getting them off your back; or
2) Start on the frigates that you were ill-equipped to deal with, while you concentrated on the heavies.
Post-patch, they will not do 1) above, which removed a lot of their usefulness in missioning. Can't target and tell 'em to engage when you can't target anything, after all...
When it comes to 2) - yes, you can - especially if you like micromanaging your drones as WELL AS your guns AND your tank...
TLDR version - STFU, your reply reveals your abysmal stupidity, in even ATTEMPTING that troll. And nothing helps a troll like a good ol' fashoned public slapdown.
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soldieroffortune 258
Gallente Trinity Council
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Posted - 2008.09.08 01:05:00 -
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Originally by: Jones Maloy wow, that is sad. i loved letting them kill off all the frigates. i haven't done missions since the patch, but making them attack the largest target first is simply a horrible idea.
please fix this before my canceled subscription runs out so i can do missions for a while before finding some other game to play.
when you leave
can i have your stuff? i mean, im really poor right now, we recently tried to put up a station in a low sec system right next to high sec, and had horrible logistics (our first time attempt) and im kinda broke right now
Originally by: soldieroffortune 258
"Eve is about making yourself richer while making the other guy poorer"
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Jones Maloy
Minmatar Brutor tribe
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Posted - 2008.09.08 01:26:00 -
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as i've said before i'm leaving my stuff where it is to take up server resources from people like you.
enjoy your lag. ---------------------- Real men use 8 heatsinks. |
Solomon XI
Hoist The Colors.
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Posted - 2008.09.08 01:32:00 -
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Wow CCP add's a little subtle change that makes you actually pay attention to your drones instead of letting them do whatever and you're complaining?
You want your ISK? WORK FOR IT. Jesus christ.
I for one am HAPPY with this change. Keeps me on my toes. ~Solo Hoist The Colors. (CEO) |
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Mr Friendly
That it Should Come to This
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Posted - 2008.09.08 01:42:00 -
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Originally by: Solomon XI Wow CCP add's a little subtle change that makes you actually pay attention to your drones instead of letting them do whatever and you're complaining?
You want your ISK? WORK FOR IT. Jesus christ.
I for one am HAPPY with this change. Keeps me on my toes.
Hi Mr Troll. Aren't bugs awesome?!! I love bugs. Especially new bugs that make a dodgy weapon system even dodgier.
Pity you weren't playing 2 years ago when drones attacked your gangmates for no reason. You would have loved that. But you're new, apparently so I guess bugs are cool and interesting.
Or you're just stupid.
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Solomon XI
Hoist The Colors.
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Posted - 2008.09.08 01:50:00 -
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I'm close to two years old in-game, in point of fact.
And who said this was a *bug* and not an *expected feature*? Has there been any CCP clarification? If not, shove it. K, thx. ~Solo Hoist The Colors. (CEO) |
Scifi
Caldari Star Scream Inc. Shadow of xXDEATHXx
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Posted - 2008.09.08 02:07:00 -
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Edited by: Scifi on 08/09/2008 02:08:37 What'd be really nice as you said would be to have the option to select either "attack the biggest mofo you can find" or "kill the weaklings". Sometimes you want the frigs gone other times you want the BS to feel a tiny bit more DPS while leaving the frigs be(like when ratting for example).
I'm all for adding that feature.
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Ekrid
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Posted - 2008.09.08 02:19:00 -
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Edited by: Ekrid on 08/09/2008 02:20:04
Originally by: Victor Kruger Just a little heads up on things that went wrong with the patch: Before the latest patch, my drones would focus on the smallest targets first, slowly working their way up to the bigger ships. This was just fine with me, as I was able to concentrate on the cruiser+ classes, leaving the smaller stuff to my drones.
Now, the same drones are focusing on the biggest possible ships first, ideally attaching themselves to a random battleship which they have no chance of bringing down (well, maybe in a week). While doing this, they conveniently ignore the 15+ small frigates that are happily warp scrambling / webbing my ship and will only act if assigned to the target. Once that target is down, guess what, they will return to their favourite large target.
CCP, if you change an existing feature that actually works, at least implement customization possibilities that allow players to set an attack pattern for their drones (i.e. kill smallest first, then work your way up. Or kill largest first, then work your way down).
3 Cheers for CCP finally doing something about the uber broken ass drone situation.
the only other weapon system that autotargets is FoF, and we know how crappy they are nerfed compared to normal missiles to compensate for this fact.
You're whining about having to actually control your drones? battleships should be much higher up on the threat table given their massive DPS, but you only think about how it negatively affects you.
Frigates are coming in more flavors these days, via EA frigs, and you want them to make drones auto kill these necessary paper tank targets so you dont have to work at it? WTF is the point of frigs then.
The situation has always been that frigs are mostly useless because they get insta popped by your crappiest weapon system ever of 5 T2 ogres.
Now you have to (horrors!) actually work with your drones to override their priority because you believe theres something of bigger priority.
Cry me a river *****.
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Solomon XI
Hoist The Colors.
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Posted - 2008.09.08 03:07:00 -
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Originally by: Ekrid Edited by: Ekrid on 08/09/2008 02:20:04
Originally by: Victor Kruger Just a little heads up on things that went wrong with the patch: Before the latest patch, my drones would focus on the smallest targets first, slowly working their way up to the bigger ships. This was just fine with me, as I was able to concentrate on the cruiser+ classes, leaving the smaller stuff to my drones.
Now, the same drones are focusing on the biggest possible ships first, ideally attaching themselves to a random battleship which they have no chance of bringing down (well, maybe in a week). While doing this, they conveniently ignore the 15+ small frigates that are happily warp scrambling / webbing my ship and will only act if assigned to the target. Once that target is down, guess what, they will return to their favourite large target.
CCP, if you change an existing feature that actually works, at least implement customization possibilities that allow players to set an attack pattern for their drones (i.e. kill smallest first, then work your way up. Or kill largest first, then work your way down).
3 Cheers for CCP finally doing something about the uber broken ass drone situation.
the only other weapon system that autotargets is FoF, and we know how crappy they are nerfed compared to normal missiles to compensate for this fact.
You're whining about having to actually control your drones? battleships should be much higher up on the threat table given their massive DPS, but you only think about how it negatively affects you.
Frigates are coming in more flavors these days, via EA frigs, and you want them to make drones auto kill these necessary paper tank targets so you dont have to work at it? WTF is the point of frigs then.
The situation has always been that frigs are mostly useless because they get insta popped by your crappiest weapon system ever of 5 T2 ogres.
Now you have to (horrors!) actually work with your drones to override their priority because you believe theres something of bigger priority.
Cry me a river *****.
truth. ~Solo Hoist The Colors. (CEO) |
mechtech
Deep Space Productions
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Posted - 2008.09.08 03:30:00 -
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Originally by: Ekrid Edited by: Ekrid on 08/09/2008 02:20:04 3 Cheers for CCP finally doing something about the uber broken ass drone situation.
the only other weapon system that autotargets is FoF, and we know how crappy they are nerfed compared to normal missiles to compensate for this fact.
You're whining about having to actually control your drones? battleships should be much higher up on the threat table given their massive DPS, but you only think about how it negatively affects you.
Frigates are coming in more flavors these days, via EA frigs, and you want them to make drones auto kill these necessary paper tank targets so you dont have to work at it? WTF is the point of frigs then.
The situation has always been that frigs are mostly useless because they get insta popped by your crappiest weapon system ever of 5 T2 ogres.
Now you have to (horrors!) actually work with your drones to override their priority because you believe theres something of bigger priority.
Cry me a river *****.
This post wins, thread's over tbh
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NSSQUAD
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Posted - 2008.09.08 03:34:00 -
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i also agree please do change it back
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Ezekiel Sulastin
Gallente Central Research Nexus
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Posted - 2008.09.08 04:24:00 -
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Edited by: Ezekiel Sulastin on 08/09/2008 04:31:20 ... ACTUALLY, speaking from a storyline fluff point of view, drones were originally pioneered by the Gallente to take out Caldari sub-frigates in the War Before The Game ...
Speaking from a practical point of view, wouldn't it make more sense for heavies/sentries to attack battleships first and lights frigates, rather than a blanket? It always made more sense for me to have the blanket AI work smallest up when I let the drones do their own thing.
Now having said that, when you drop into the mission shoot the frigates first. Either they're close enough that lights will mop them up before enemy EWAR affects you or they'll be far enough away to vaporize them in one volley of rails/sentries/etc. And if you're in an ubertanked Dominix or Ishtar, just go afk ANWYAYS if you know your tank will hold. ---- WTB Armor Nerf Hardener II, 10^100 isk OBO |
ceyriot
Entropians on Vacation
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Posted - 2008.09.08 05:32:00 -
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Originally by: Atomos Darksun Or you could, you know, take the time to lock a frigate and click "engage target."
Yeah....once you notice they aren't attacking the frigates like they used to...say...30 seconds. Then another 30 seconds to lock the thing. Thats a minute...where they COULD HAVE blown up a good number of the little bastards.
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Frances Ducoir
Aliastra
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Posted - 2008.09.08 05:40:00 -
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ITT:
bitter caldari idiots trying to convince us that a bug is actually a good thing. get a life...
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Sheriff Jones
Amarr Clinical Experiment
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Posted - 2008.09.08 05:48:00 -
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Noticed something fun, and cool, and...such:
Small drones go for frigates first. Mediums go for bigger ships first.
I don't know if it was simpyl a "fluke", but if it's correct, it's cool as popsicles
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Frances Ducoir
Aliastra
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Posted - 2008.09.08 05:57:00 -
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Edited by: Frances Ducoir on 08/09/2008 05:57:24 the only thing i noticed:
drones go for random targets again, no matter what settings they have my medium scout drones went for 3 different BS
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Sheriff Jones
Amarr Clinical Experiment
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Posted - 2008.09.08 06:05:00 -
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Then it must be the Drone A.I. i carry in my cargo
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Gigi Barbagrigia
58th Syndicate
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Posted - 2008.09.08 06:11:00 -
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You didn't actually expect them to break nothing with such a patch?
Nice trolling though. You guys care to link which course you took cause if your ability is natural ... my god. |
Dantes Revenge
Caldari
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Posted - 2008.09.08 06:49:00 -
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Originally by: Solomon XI I'm close to two years old in-game, in point of fact.
And who said this was a *bug* and not an *expected feature*? Has there been any CCP clarification? If not, shove it. K, thx.
Has there been any clarification that this was an intended change? Has there been any notification of any change at all in drones? No to both. By that reasonsing, we can presume that this change was not intended at all and is merely a by-product of some other change, ergo, a bug. Now that we have that small bit of deductive reasoning out of the way, maybe we can get to some serious posts instead of some half baked attempt at railroading the thread. BTW. I am close to 4 years in game before you say anything about your veteran status.
I have also noticed a big change in drone activity. Drones now refuse to attack a target even when told and often prefer to wander off and pick their own. I have had to tell my drones several times to attack a specific target before they all eventually decided to respond. The fact that I then had to tell them to attck the next and then the next is irrelevant, they did not attack the target I told them to when I deployed them. They used to go for the next nearest target which was usually a frigate because they got to you first, now they seem to prefer to warp off 30K or more to attack some target that isn't even attacking you, ignoring the frigate only 2K away from their last target. That results in aggro of every group to you and I have already lost one ship because of this.
I know to attack a specific group and remain with that group until they are almost destroyed before going on to aggro the next. One group at a time I can tank but not all three at once but my dumb drones don't realise that. It's getting hard to use drones at all now in missions which is making some missions almost impossible due to tracking and min range restrictions of some weapons. Drones are the ONLY defence against EW frigs for rail and energy weapon users.
Drones already draw aggro from passive groups below 100K and now they have taken to aggroing them to you as well.
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Banana Torres
Federal Defence Union
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Posted - 2008.09.08 07:05:00 -
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It is a pirate nerf, cause they usually find mission runners by looking for their drones. But cause now the little bastards behave like a wittle piwates with ADHD the best place for them is in the drone bay, only to be used as a last resort.
On the brighter side it now means that when you throw out your Ogre IIs in a fleet battle to cause lag they won't spend their time asthmatically wheezing after the interceptor that locked you first instead of going for the Scorpion that is currently jamming you.
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Fink Angel
Caldari The Merry Men
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Posted - 2008.09.08 07:16:00 -
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From my point of view, default drone logic, if unmodified by manual command should be as follows:
sentries / large - attack battle cruisers / battleships & larger medium - cruisers small - frigates / interceptors
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Tippia
Caldari School of Applied Knowledge
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Posted - 2008.09.08 07:27:00 -
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Originally by: Arkeladin
Originally by: Atomos Darksun Or you could, you know, take the time to lock a frigate and click "engage target."
Then waht do you do while you're being jammed by frigates, Mr. Dim-bulb Troll?
You wait for them to kill it. You didn't wait to lock the frigs, did you?!
They won't start jamming you until they get reasonably close, and by then you should already have lock them up and sent the drones after them. Or, if you've screwed up, you can just wait until the cycle ends and lock them up then — it's not like mission frigs going to permajam you.
Quote: especially if you like micromanaging your drones as WELL AS your guns AND your tank...
Micromanage!? Oh dear… If your tank needs micromanaging (beyond "there be enemies — turn on; there be no enemies — turn off"), you need to rethink your fittings. If your guns need micromanaging, you're either mixing guns (reducing your DPS) or you're mixing your targets (reducing your DPS), or you're (once again) fitting your ship wrong. If your drones need micromanaging (beyond "attack!" and the occasional "retreat!" to avoid new spawns), you need to set some drone command quick keys.
Either way, if you need to micromanage in missions, you're doing it wrong.
…that said, I haven't noticed this behaviour — my drones are still quite happy to kill things in the normal by-size order, so there is no need to micromanage those either.
Quote: nothing helps a troll like a good ol' fashoned public slapdown.
…it might have helped your "smackdown" if you actually new how to play the game.
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Pikkuhukka
Caldari Space Perverts and Forum Warriors United
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Posted - 2008.09.08 07:36:00 -
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Originally by: Banana Torres
On the brighter side it now means that when you throw out your Ogre IIs in a fleet battle to cause lag they won't spend their time asthmatically wheezing after the interceptor that locked you first instead of going for the Scorpion that is currently jamming you.
cutest post for a while <3
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Mallikanth
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Posted - 2008.09.08 07:46:00 -
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No problem here - move along.
Target (whatever). Instruct drones to engage. Nothing new there then When that target pops rinse and repeat.
Never, ever, let your drones do their own thing. They are too thick for that.
I thank you
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