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Blockoindi
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Posted - 2004.06.14 04:54:00 -
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Pls discuss.
Is it lame?
Is it an exploit of the game mechanix?
Or is it a good tactical move?
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Enraku Reynolt
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Posted - 2004.06.14 05:18:00 -
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yes
no
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if it saves your ship, anything is a good tacical move
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Frakri Hogsto
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Posted - 2004.06.14 05:56:00 -
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hell yeah it's lame
You should never put yourself in a position where you have to log off to save your ship, if your dumb enough to get ganked, acept it, it's part of the game. Hell theres been times when i wcould log to save my ship, but wtf......i didn't
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Adriana
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Posted - 2004.06.14 06:01:00 -
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Lame or not, it's definatly a good tactical move. It's also an understandable one. You have a griefer(s) trying to ruin your gameplay, and instead you choose to take a few hours off. Makes sense to me. Can save you weeks of mining to get the stuff to make a new ship. Not only that, the slaughtermonkeys hate it.
Probably a better move to just watch local and check the map blobs though. That way you don't lose play time. Sometimes it can't be avoided though.
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Sardau Kar
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Posted - 2004.06.14 06:11:00 -
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Well Im such a carebear I usually never travel without some warp cores,but the one time I got WTF PWNED by some CA ambush I accepted it and the captain sank with his ship.
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Frakri Hogsto
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Posted - 2004.06.14 06:19:00 -
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 Originally by: Adriana
Lame or not, it's definatly a good tactical move. It's also an understandable one. You have a griefer(s) trying to ruin your gameplay, and instead you choose to take a few hours off. Makes sense to me. Can save you weeks of mining to get the stuff to make a new ship. Not only that, the slaughtermonkeys hate it.
Probably a better move to just watch local and check the map blobs though. That way you don't lose play time. Sometimes it can't be avoided though.
IT'S LAME AND YOU KNOW IT
Save up to buy a bs, if you don't wanna lose it, stay in 0.5 and higer, and run the rest of your life. It an exploit as far as i'm concerned, using a game mechanics for personal gain is rediculos. if people spend real time saving for ships, they should fight as they would in real time, As the last comment i saw your a captain you go down with your ship, nuff said
If i fight anyone and they log off, i'll hunt your ass till the end of time and repeadetly PK you for being such a removed.
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Xhalen Toth
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Posted - 2004.06.14 06:53:00 -
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Quote:
IT'S LAME AND YOU KNOW IT
Save up to buy a bs, if you don't wanna lose it, stay in 0.5 and higer, and run the rest of your life. It an exploit as far as i'm concerned, using a game mechanics for personal gain is rediculos. if people spend real time saving for ships, they should fight as they would in real time, As the last comment i saw your a captain you go down with your ship, nuff said
If i fight anyone and they log off, i'll hunt your ass till the end of time and repeadetly PK you for being such a removed.
So according to your statement, I'm not allowed to mine to make isk for myself? 
It's not an exploit according to the people who matter, but I'll agree it is cowardly.
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MadGaz
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Posted - 2004.06.14 09:10:00 -
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h3xpl0it!!!
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dabster
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Posted - 2004.06.14 09:18:00 -
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Just have him scrambled and laugh your ass off when he logs but his ship stays.
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Scorpyn
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Posted - 2004.06.14 09:18:00 -
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Edited by: Scorpyn on 14/06/2004 09:53:01
Is it lame?
Yes. Not much makes ppl more ****ed off.
Is it an exploit of the game mechanix?
Ask a GM for that. I believe it's a "valid tactic" though.
Or is it a good tactical move?
If you want to temporarily save your ship and/or your pod : Yes
If you want enemies dedicated to hunting you down and squish your pod : Yes
If you want to be hated : Yes
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Talon SilverHawk
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Posted - 2004.06.14 09:22:00 -
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this has been discussed see this recent thread
Girly log off tactic
Tal
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Kitten Hearder
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Posted - 2004.06.14 12:49:00 -
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Originally by: Frakri Hogsto
hell yeah it's lame
You should never put yourself in a position where you have to log off to save your ship, if your dumb enough to get ganked, acept it, it's part of the game. Hell theres been times when i wcould log to save my ship, but wtf......i didn't
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Jarjar
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Posted - 2004.06.14 12:54:00 -
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Depends on what kind you're talking about.
A) Running from your enemy, warp to a moon/safe spot, log off. Boring, but not an exploit.
B) Logging off when cloaked - was an exploit (IMO, if you can say that) until the recent fix(?).
C) Logging off when warp scrambled - a very stupid move since you'll never win any fights by doing this, but instead you're almost 100% guaranteed to lose your ship, however 100% guaranteed to save your pod too. Very lame.
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Estios
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Posted - 2004.06.14 13:55:00 -
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Edited by: Estios on 14/06/2004 22:39:38
Its totally LAME !!!!!!!
With uber ghey 3 month 40% free insurance, killing a ship doesnt really effect anyone. Getting the pod and implants does, some lame losers choose to use an out of game mechanism to save that
So HMV consider Andy Williams and Dean Martin to be "easy listening" do they? Tell that to my mate Dave, he's been deaf for 20 years.
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Sassinak
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Posted - 2004.06.14 14:23:00 -
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Originally by: Adriana
Lame or not, it's definatly a good tactical move. It's also an understandable one. You have a griefer(s) trying to ruin your gameplay, and instead you choose to take a few hours off. Makes sense to me. Can save you weeks of mining to get the stuff to make a new ship. Not only that, the slaughtermonkeys hate it.
Probably a better move to just watch local and check the map blobs though. That way you don't lose play time. Sometimes it can't be avoided though.
Its not a good tactcal move, there is no "Tactics" There is no tactic in turning off your ******* client. Its not our fault you wanna fly around merrily and all happy n stuff where ever in the game, the map works btw. It shows where **** is happening. Grow some balls.
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Sassinak
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Posted - 2004.06.14 14:26:00 -
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Originally by: dabster
Just have him scrambled and laugh your ass off when he logs but his ship stays.
ship still dissapears if he logged off bfore you got him warp scrambled, which is quite often the case, people will warp to a planet and logoff midwarp...
Basically its a ***** fool proof plan to save their **** tbh, caus they couldnt be bothered to use their brains and keep an eye on local or look at the map.
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Scorpyn
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Posted - 2004.06.14 14:31:00 -
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Originally by: Kitten Hearder
Why accept it if you don't have to? Why die with honor if you're not killed with honor?
Ganking a ship 30 vs 1 : Ingame mechanics
Logging to save your clone + implants : Out of game mechanics
There is no honor in any of it, but the 30 ships were at least not cheating.
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Kitten Hearder
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Posted - 2004.06.14 15:44:00 -
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I've never played an online game before Eve that just let you log out almost immediately anywhere. I personally think it's a big oversight on the part of CCP, but if it was intentional then it is in-game mechanics (and if it's an oversight then it's legit until they fix it or ban people for doing it).
For the record I think you, your ship, and your pod should stick around for about 5-10 minutes unless you log out in a station.
However, until it is changed, I don't think I would feel any more shame logging out to save my ship/self than someone else would feel sending a gang invite to lock up your UI while they start their attack.
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Scorpyn
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Posted - 2004.06.14 15:56:00 -
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Originally by: Kitten Hearder
However, until it is changed, I don't think I would feel any more shame logging out to save my ship/self than someone else would feel sending a gang invite to lock up your UI while they start their attack.
That's bad too, but not nearly as bad as logging.
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CHUD
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Posted - 2004.06.14 17:46:00 -
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I think they made it so you can kill the client so easily because the game was fairly buggy initially, and still sometimes can do wierd things, and I personally find it very helpful to be able to restart it so quickly when it does something strange. Can you imagine how irritating it would be if you had to wait 30 seconds every time u got the gang bug? I think CCP designed it with that sort of thing in mind, and for the most part I think it's a Godsend.
Also, you can't really complain about how it works, at least the ship doesn't instantly dissapear when the person logs. You have several seconds to scramble them and destroy the ship, regardless of whether they log.
So basically, while the precise tactic of logging to save your ship is quite lame, I think the logging mechanism itself is quite well designed for most parties involved.
People say pirates are part of the game while other people call em greifers, some people call logging off to save your ass from pirates lame, while others call it a legit tactic. Ultimately, I think it's here to stay, lameness or not.
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Jarjar
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Posted - 2004.06.14 18:05:00 -
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Originally by: CHUD
You have several seconds to scramble them and destroy the ship, regardless of whether they log.
As stated above,
"ship still dissapears if he logged off bfore you got him warp scrambled, which is quite often the case, people will warp to a planet and logoff midwarp."
In other words, if he logs off he's *safe*. Unless you destroy his ship in like 5 seconds.
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Jacque Sparrow
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Posted - 2004.06.14 18:49:00 -
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Edited by: Jacque Sparrow on 14/06/2004 18:52:11
Originally by: Blockoindi
Pls discuss.
Is it lame?
Is it an exploit of the game mechanix?
Or is it a good tactical move?
A Caracal warped in on top of me the other day whilst I was hunting in my Scorp so I cancelled warp and locked target and fired both 250mm Duals and fired 1 cruise missile and 2 torps and then launched 6 heavies (the Caracal was less than 5 km distant so using my 425's would have been silly at that range). The game then proceeded to boot my ass offline so had no idea what became of the lone Caracal I tried to destroy. When I got back online some 2 mins later I discivered my shields had gone down by 20% and one of my ogres had taken some minor damage however the Caracal went "*poof*" even though I was offline. I am guessing the 6 heavies got the command to "attack" and they did so even though the game was busy handling my disconnection from the game. While it wasn't my intention to "leave" the game this still happened and I bet it happens to more people than just me. |
CHUD
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Posted - 2004.06.14 19:55:00 -
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Yeah I know...but at least you have that 5 seconds. :)What can ya do.
And Jaque yours doesn't sound like an intentional logoff, I don't think anybody can fault someone for crashing. I notice when I crash that my ship will keep doing whatever I told it to do until my connection actually times out, and then it'll do the warp-away thing. In that time, you can mine another hold full of ore, or kill a hapless frigate or cruiser, and not even know it! (See why the system is good??)
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Hematic
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Posted - 2004.06.14 20:22:00 -
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Adriana,
It's not simply an issue of avoiding the insta-gank. It is something that is done by both sides of the moral fence.
It happens when 1 vs 1 as well.
It is beyond frustrating to spend 1-2 hours searching and laying in wait for someone and then when you've got them scrambled and jammed at a planet and death is imminent they log.
It's a lame exploit of game mechanics. It is them who have to live in shame with themselves. Better to lose a virtual ship then RL self-respect imo.
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Jacque Sparrow
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Posted - 2004.06.15 00:00:00 -
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Edited by: Jacque Sparrow on 15/06/2004 00:02:24
Originally by: Hematic
Adriana,
It's not simply an issue of avoiding the insta-gank. It is something that is done by both sides of the moral fence.
It happens when 1 vs 1 as well.
It is beyond frustrating to spend 1-2 hours searching and laying in wait for someone and then when you've got them scrambled and jammed at a planet and death is imminent they log.
It's a lame exploit of game mechanics. It is them who have to live in shame with themselves. Better to lose a virtual ship then RL self-respect imo.
Yeah, what we need is a "Matrix" in-the-brainstem interface that forces the player to remain connected literally - oops, have I been playing this game too long ? - LOL |
Blockoindi
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Posted - 2004.06.15 00:47:00 -
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Originally by: Jarjar
Originally by: CHUD
You have several seconds to scramble them and destroy the ship, regardless of whether they log.
As stated above,
"ship still dissapears if he logged off bfore you got him warp scrambled, which is quite often the case, people will warp to a planet and logoff midwarp."
In other words, if he logs off he's *safe*. Unless you destroy his ship in like 5 seconds.
The ship in question had -6 warp scramble on him, and logged after that happend, his ship was in space for 30 seconds and then dissapeared.
GM informed me that the ship should stay there for 2mins, so eve didnt really help me out on this occasion
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Taz Fern
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Posted - 2004.06.15 10:13:00 -
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Yep it used to be 2minutes but I have seen corp mates log when stuck in belts and leave much quicker.
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Sternburg Export
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Posted - 2004.06.15 10:47:00 -
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hmmm
I think..
Logging off in an 1vs1 is lame... And not honourable...
Logging off when Gate is camped with 5 - ? enemies .. Then it¦s a legal tactic...
But on a simple 1vs1... Bs vs BS.. Cruiser vs BS... It¦s very lame...
i think...
If u r afraid to lose your Ship.. don¦t jump into
< 0.5
P.S. sry for my English... I¦am just a stupid German... :)
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Pehova Mindtriq
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Posted - 2004.06.15 10:59:00 -
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I wouldn't be mad if someone loggs of when I'm fighting with him. It's part of the game so live with it.
Besides it's a big risk trying to logg off when in a battle, i know i wouldn't dare try to logg.
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Acix
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Posted - 2004.06.16 23:30:00 -
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this happened the other night against a megathron, he logged during the battle. After the fight I realized why he had tried to save his ship this way. It was probobly one of the best cargo drops on record. |
ZhouTai
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Posted - 2004.06.17 09:43:00 -
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End of the day if you get mugged in an alley in RL you can't just log out so why should you be able to in the game.
I know there is a difference between RL and the game but just disappearing is taking the pi55!!
If you are playing this game play it fairly and die with your crew, losers.
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Posted - 2004.06.17 15:06:00 -
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Only ever had one guy logoff on me in a caracal while i was in a rupture. Was very lame, but since that everyone else stays to die :)
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Kitten Hearder
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Posted - 2004.06.17 23:57:00 -
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Originally by: ZhouTai
End of the day if you get mugged in an alley in RL you can't just log out so why should you be able to in the game.
I know there is a difference between RL and the game but just disappearing is taking the pi55!!
If you are playing this game play it fairly and die with your crew, losers.
Respect to all whom have gone down in a blaze of glory, and to those who got them,
 That brightened my day.
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Magellan Abraxis
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Posted - 2004.06.21 13:19:00 -
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I can imagine some instances where you might choose to log off. Personally I wouldn't, but some might.
In other cases it's just lame and cowardly. We went after a corp thief this weekend. The little bugger hadn't even stolen that much, but we wanted him to learn a lesson; don't freaking steal from your corp. We had the bloody n00b (we are 100% positive he is not an alt) cornered in a system with only one gate and three stations to hide. We told him we wouldn't kill him if he simply would cought up what he had stolen, but he choose the easy way out; log. The next day, the moron told me he was just roleplaying a corpthief because he felt that was an essential part of the game. Appearantly, he logs off in real life too when he gets cornered. 
But we're not done with him yet, there is more then one way to skin a cat (or thief). 
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Vigilant
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Posted - 2004.06.21 15:54:00 -
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Edited by: Vigilant on 21/06/2004 16:11:57
I have a Thorax..got some nice items...and I am pretty much a NOOB (less than 30 days of play)...
IF, I have to go to .4 space or below..some agent mission or pick up a BPO/Skill Book etc., I just stop at the previous Secure System, dock, Fit Sceen..Stip off my cool stuff( cargo expanders, named cpu's, guns, miner 2's, empty my drone bay to (4) drones)...and then go on my merry way into LOW Spec Space...IF I get blowed up or podded...its my fault for going their in the first place...Sure, I kinda robbed the guy of all the cool stuff...but I played it smart...
Also, I have insurance...So, my ship will be replaced...and my clone is insured...So what is the problem here? People not insuring ships? or People just don't want to loose "Named Items"?
Most likely the items...just my opinion...
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Jade Constantia
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Posted - 2004.06.21 16:06:00 -
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Its lame.
Its about as lame as some friends of mine that used to play UFO Enemy Unknown and would save the game every time they walked round a corner in the alien complex in-case an alien brain-sucker-body-stealer moved out of the darkness on overwatch and ate an XCOM soldier.
Every time it happened they would reload and play the turn again. Slowly inching forward and inevitably winning the level with zero casualties time after time and then boasting at how wonderful they were.
This kind of lameness teaches a person nothing about tactics and competitive play.
Logging off to avoid ship loss is just like this.
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Joshua Calvert
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Posted - 2004.06.21 16:09:00 -
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If I do it, it's a superb tactical move.
If someone else does it, it's lame.
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Photon Lightwielder
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Posted - 2004.06.21 18:12:00 -
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lol it's so fun to see all the pirates get all worked up What are the "carebears" outmaneuvering you? buu fuÇking hoo
Until it gets listed as an exploit by ccp go deal with it
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Znaei
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Posted - 2004.06.21 21:26:00 -
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I admit that I have done it once. It was when I had just bought my first BS, forgot to insure it and went to 0.0 and got ganked. The ship didnt survive. Afterwards, I felt really bad about it, as I knew I would hate it when someone else would do it against me. Since then I have never logged off to escape from death.
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Easy Target
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Posted - 2004.06.21 21:49:00 -
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Playing eve is supposed to be Fun...
Losing a ship if that is all u have isnt fun...
If logging off saves your ship...
that preserves your fun...
so therefore... log off in battle is fine by me... if u did your job properly they wouldnt have been mid warp to the planet/moon/sun/own arse because u would have scrambled them...
If i am 100% camped in a system... why would i lose a ship??
pointless...
they wanna fight fair and square (i am an incompetant fool, noob ships need only apply) i will fight u...
if not i will fight on my terms, how i like..
If i get out gunned, and out numbered.. in a system, with no way round, or out... the game is no longer fun... i know sit here and wait 20 hours.. ooooo, one sec... EVE ISNT REAL!!! i will log off and play Far Cry.
If logging of saves your ship... F U C K them, i have heard u can get fair fights on Far Cry.. :)
Dont like it??
Adapt
Lump it
leave...
oh.. or u can log off... :-/
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Posted - 2004.06.22 00:23:00 -
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Personally, I am against it. Even in an indy hauling gear in 0.0 space being gate camped by PA and getting shot at without warning with 7 BS and a interceptor on my tail. The idea is to make them work for their kill. (I had them chase me 2-3 sectors before they got me ) and I stil escaped in a pod . I got the adrenal rush, they got couple million in gear and skills. I suppose it might me considered equal in the grand scheme of things.
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betamax
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Posted - 2004.06.22 00:55:00 -
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Excellent!
I didn't ever think I'd see player pirates whine about 'sploiting :) Can you hear the choking indignation?
Look "me hearties", we know you like your helpless gank victims to just sit there and die, but you see, we are not paying our subs so you can have fun at our expense.
As for hunting down people who use this tactic, isnt that just a little petty? Do you do that because they dared to make you Uber Own3rz look stupid and incompetent? After all you lot are supposed to make C/Bs fearful of 0.4 and below....
If someone has found a way to **** off player pirates, then good-o. About time they tasted the bitterness of having your playstyle ruined.
Oh and one last thing "Adapt, Stop Whining & LOL" I think that covers everything.
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Clain Matta
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Posted - 2004.06.22 01:03:00 -
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I have no idea if you were trying to compliment me, or insult me. I am tired so I will probably understand later after some sleep. For the reference I am not a pirate, but part of an alliance who has claimed 0.0 space for themselves.
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betamax
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Posted - 2004.06.22 01:15:00 -
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Originally by: Clain Matta
I have no idea if you were trying to compliment me, or insult me. I am tired so I will probably understand later after some sleep. For the reference I am not a pirate, but part of an alliance who has claimed 0.0 space for themselves.
Iwasnt talking to you at all. Just commenting on the topic as a (Hilarious) whole. If I'm responding to you, I'll more than likely quote you. See Above :)
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CodeFreeze
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Posted - 2004.06.22 05:39:00 -
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I've lost plenty ships to pirates, killer clowns and of course corp 1 on my learning curve and never once considered loggging off, even though it meant losing valuable cargo and named items.
If someone logged off in a PvP situation I would consider them rather lame for spoiling the fun of the battle.
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Fedaykin Naib
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Posted - 2004.06.22 05:54:00 -
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I guess im lucky i got to experience a rat doing this lame tactic tonight, ah well
"Long Live the Fighters!"
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Adriana
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Posted - 2004.06.22 06:42:00 -
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For the record, I never said it wasn't lame, just that it was understandable.
If it were me and I was rigged for combat I'd do my best to take you out. If I was mining in a belt and you warped in and tried to gank me and I couldn't get out? bye bye, I'm logging. I might not save my ship, but I can probably save my clone.
Would it be lame? Yes, but then, so is attacking a helpless miner. If I had to rate the two, I'd say attacking a helpless miner/hauler is far more lame. If you are indeed about PvP then you should seek out targets capable of defending themselves and not pick on the unarmed guy.
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fras
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Posted - 2004.06.22 10:36:00 -
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Edited by: fras on 22/06/2004 10:37:55
attacking a miner/hauler is part of the game and is not 'lame', it's got nothing to do with logging to avoid death.
People will always do it as long as it's possible and it should be addressed as a serious issue imo.
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ZhouTai
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Posted - 2004.06.22 12:36:00 -
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Quote:
For the record, I never said it wasn't lame, just that it was understandable.
If it were me and I was rigged for combat I'd do my best to take you out. If I was mining in a belt and you warped in and tried to gank me and I couldn't get out? bye bye, I'm logging. I might not save my ship, but I can probably save my clone.
Would it be lame? Yes, but then, so is attacking a helpless miner. If I had to rate the two, I'd say attacking a helpless miner/hauler is far more lame. If you are indeed about PvP then you should seek out targets capable of defending themselves and not pick on the unarmed guy.
This is wrong to compare the 2, 1 is a Pirate doing a profession in the game as he wishes, the other is someone taking advantage of a loop hole in the game the attacker or defender cannot do anything about, I'm not siding with the pirates here If I was attacked but managed to out fight the aggressor to then watch him log off would not make me happy, They need to do something about this as it is making the game week and lose its attraction 
PS, I am a miner/producer and in no way a pirate but I hate the way that people can do this. If I were a pirate and someone logged off I would make it my only goal to kill and pod them and their corp members (for making me do all this) till I was happy with myself and the outcome.
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von Steinroehder
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Posted - 2004.06.22 14:49:00 -
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I am a diplomat, not a fighter. I fight NPC pirates as a sort of 'extended diplomacy' to gain the favor of the empires. I would never willfully attack another player if he's on the right side of the law. As a law abiding citizen, I prefer to talk to people who want to duke it out with me. When I'm not given any chance to do so, but get physically harrassed by people too trigger happy to use their mouth, I'm out of there quick if the odds are against me - those folks don't fight on fair terms, they dictate time, place, and weapons - to be fair they should let me dictate at least part of that on my side, no?
If I met any lady or gentleman out there wanting to fight me after we exchanged words, agreed with me that a duel had to be fought and honour was at stake, and gave me her or his word that the fight should not be aborted before one of the combatants went down, then I would fight bravely until the very end, for death or glory. But outnumbered by pirates, ambushed, my hounour and status as a diplomat taken away by brutish and greedy thieves, I would have the responsibility to protect my crew and assets by whatever means necessary. Call me a whimp, if you have the guts it takes to stand your ground on equal terms, because if you don't have that, you cannot judge those you confront for being true at heart or not!
OOC:
Comparing logging with getting mugged in a dark alley is just wrong. If I ever get into that situation and stay calm enough to use my brain, I'll get the hell out of there and use every cheap trick available, fairness and honour my backside. Why uphold honour in the presence of people who have none themselves?
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ZhouTai
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Posted - 2004.06.22 16:27:00 -
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But what I am saying is that the disappearing is not available to you in that dark alley so you can't use it, I don't care if you scream like a girl or run to fight another day, you can't just disappear in that alley.
I agree with your above that a fight should be fair BUT... this is EVE and pirating is a trade, If you were a pirate would you fight fair fights ?? no because there is no profit in fair fights way too risky, This logging off "disappearing" should not happen as this is not right in the game logics, If you out speed them then fine if you warp out then fine but not just to disappear.
Anyway this is just my point and I think there is nothing lower than this, even ore thieves aren't this low, If you don't want that risk of losing your ship then you just don't go to 0.4 and below, Cheating the pirates out of their pray is just ruining an aspect of the game. What the loggers are saying is that they want all space to be 1.0?? I don't get why they do it?? because they want loads of reward without any risk ?? well if that's the case why bother playing ?? Like I say I am no pirate but I can see why they hate this, and this is one of the reasons I left the last MMORPG as there was no risk in the high rewards.
Sorry for the rambling on but this is something I think that needs addressing.
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von Steinroehder
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Posted - 2004.06.22 19:13:00 -
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ZhouTai,
you are right with everything you say. It's just that ingame I am a honourable character, if I played a pirate, I'd wholeheartedly agree that I wouldn't fight fair
As it stands now, I am quite disappointed that I can be attacked by other players just because they want to. IMHO I'm not even a carebear with this attitude - to me PvP should be a thing which both sides agree on. Pirating isn't my cup of tea, you might have noticed that by now.
I respect pirates who actually roleplay their chars. I know that it isn't easily possible to roleplay before shooting because game mechanics make it too easy for the victim to escape. As such, I am a big fan of every game feature that supports pirating (and PvP) as it should be - not senseless 'shoot first, ask questions later' but a roleplayed experience, in which both parties stand a chance.
I know 0.0 is insecure. Please don't tell me I shouldn't go there. I am not afraid of losing my assets out there. I am afraid however that dying at a blockaded gate isn't exactly what I call massive multiplayer online role playing, but more like unavoidable death without wits and cunning ever coming into play.
And to be frank, I'd maybe chose the easy way out of that situation, if I have no chance of winning or escaping.
It's just the basic instinct of staying alive...
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ZhouTai
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Posted - 2004.06.23 08:19:00 -
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Von Steinroehder,
You are right that most people that do this are using what they see as their only way out to not lose their implants/ship, What I would like (not quite sure how they can implement it though) is for this option not to be available.
Also like you say I don't like the fact that there are so few access points to 0.0 space as this causes no way into 0.0 space unless you can out run them, I think IMO Corps/Alliances who claim 0.0 space should have to work to scout and defend their territory not just camp a bottle neck this would also mean these corps could not control the vast space they do now and leave more "no mans land". From what I hear from pirates is that if you don't camp the gates then there is not enough pray in 0.0 but I think if there was more access and less camping more people would venture in.
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Reluah
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Posted - 2004.06.23 16:58:00 -
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Edited by: Reluah on 23/06/2004 17:02:10
imo
logging off to save your ship IS an exploit of game mechanics(read up the word 'exploit' be4 you comment on that anyway)
however its not bannable, why?
well there is the problem if actually telling the difference between logging off and ctd/disconnecting.
while the GM's can see(im assuming this) if you actually logged or crashed or d/c'ed, you cant, and it would mean you would flood the GM's with exploit petitions where the subject had done nothing wrong etc..
also if theyactually took action against ppl who logged off it could still be worked around by pulling the plug on your computer, force a crash of the client etc.
but indeed it IS lame because you are exploiting flawed(in this case) game mechanicks, just because your opponent isent playing fair its no reason to start cheating...
i think 1 solution would be to have your ship not dissappear as long as it was under attack if you LOGGED off, however, some rules somewhat close to what is atm if they ctd or d/c.. would not prevent ppl from saving themselves when they realise there trapped and decide to log to save themselves, but it would make it a bit more work, and a little less favorable
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Isiana
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Posted - 2004.06.23 17:14:00 -
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Had this as late as this morning, one indy saw the scrambling msg and loged, oh well not much u can do, but to wait until he comes back 
Carebear|Me
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Easy Target
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Posted - 2004.06.23 17:43:00 -
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Quote:
just because your opponent isent playing fair its no reason to start cheating...
Why did that make me laugh??
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Posted - 2004.07.12 10:48:00 -
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well im new to eve.
the pirate things are new to me and i heard some storys bout camping gates and more well as long they dont act fair like 1v1 or at last 2v1 i also dont act fair and safe what i got so far and log out
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Sabine Borgia
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Posted - 2004.07.12 10:48:00 -
[58]
well im new to eve.
the pirate things are new to me and i heard some storys bout camping gates and more well as long they dont act fair like 1v1 or at last 2v1 i also dont act fair and safe what i got so far and log out
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Fred0
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Posted - 2004.07.12 11:12:00 -
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Using an out of game feature to get an advantage in game is lame. That includes all kinds of logons and logoffs.
The idea is to minimize the influence from the real world to the game world. However, all kinds of OOG contamination of the gaming world can probably be used and abused to gain an advantage and therefore people will start to use them, and then it spreads... 
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Fred0
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Posted - 2004.07.12 11:12:00 -
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Using an out of game feature to get an advantage in game is lame. That includes all kinds of logons and logoffs.
The idea is to minimize the influence from the real world to the game world. However, all kinds of OOG contamination of the gaming world can probably be used and abused to gain an advantage and therefore people will start to use them, and then it spreads...
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bwill220
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Posted - 2004.07.12 11:34:00 -
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I beleive that the feature is here to stay, and wont be going anywhere.. maybe tweaked a bit.. but nothing more.
My interenet goes off line every 3 hours or so, if i am playing and it goes off while i am in space with NPC Pirates, or Pvp at that.. i want to know that i am safe and gone. If i were in Pvp, and i logged off.. i would expect that person to come hunting for another try.
The game is not perfect... nor it will ever be so. But, we all have to adapt to that and make things the best we can which is provided for us.
If you know a person is exploating that feature, dont complain about it... just act on it as something agisnt the rules in space.. put a negitive rating towards that person.
There is nothing more that can be done other then that
Also, when people do expliot the bug, its fairly easy to spot it. And at that time, when you do you react on it as so.
So like i was saying, the part of the game wont change.. but as a Community of Eve players we can make sure that its shune upon, and not til then will this issue be really solved.
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bwill220
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Posted - 2004.07.12 11:34:00 -
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I beleive that the feature is here to stay, and wont be going anywhere.. maybe tweaked a bit.. but nothing more.
My interenet goes off line every 3 hours or so, if i am playing and it goes off while i am in space with NPC Pirates, or Pvp at that.. i want to know that i am safe and gone. If i were in Pvp, and i logged off.. i would expect that person to come hunting for another try.
The game is not perfect... nor it will ever be so. But, we all have to adapt to that and make things the best we can which is provided for us.
If you know a person is exploating that feature, dont complain about it... just act on it as something agisnt the rules in space.. put a negitive rating towards that person.
There is nothing more that can be done other then that
Also, when people do expliot the bug, its fairly easy to spot it. And at that time, when you do you react on it as so.
So like i was saying, the part of the game wont change.. but as a Community of Eve players we can make sure that its shune upon, and not til then will this issue be really solved.
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Pyr8
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Posted - 2004.07.12 11:35:00 -
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I lost a tempest the other week when my broadband went down while I was hunting NPC rats:( ,now that is really painfull even tho I was insured, and not a thing I could do about it. If I can save my ship from getting ganked at a gate I will, now you might say that I should not have entered that system if I thought there was a fleet the otherside but there may not have been. They might have been at another gate, thus giving me the chance to scout about with the scanners and actually put a little work into it, and maybe get around it somehow!
The thought of losing a BS at a camped gate is a complete waste of time and insurance. I have no problems being splatted, and I do enjoy the chase (you know who your are).
The game mechanics are fine as they are....
Now whats all this about meeting people in dark alleys?!!!!
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Pyr8
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Posted - 2004.07.12 11:35:00 -
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I lost a tempest the other week when my broadband went down while I was hunting NPC rats:( ,now that is really painfull even tho I was insured, and not a thing I could do about it. If I can save my ship from getting ganked at a gate I will, now you might say that I should not have entered that system if I thought there was a fleet the otherside but there may not have been. They might have been at another gate, thus giving me the chance to scout about with the scanners and actually put a little work into it, and maybe get around it somehow!
The thought of losing a BS at a camped gate is a complete waste of time and insurance. I have no problems being splatted, and I do enjoy the chase (you know who your are).
The game mechanics are fine as they are....
Now whats all this about meeting people in dark alleys?!!!!
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Sally
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Posted - 2004.07.12 11:37:00 -
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Edited by: Sally on 12/07/2004 11:44:26
It's lame.
And there are some exploits which go along with loging off, which will allow you to disappear from space even if you are warp scrambled to hell and which will allow you to travel through every gate, no matter how camped it is at the other side.
Best thing to do if you supsect someone doing it is to file a petition against him and wait for CCP to fix the exploits.
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Sally
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Posted - 2004.07.12 11:37:00 -
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Edited by: Sally on 12/07/2004 11:44:26
It's lame.
And there are some exploits which go along with loging off, which will allow you to disappear from space even if you are warp scrambled to hell and which will allow you to travel through every gate, no matter how camped it is at the other side.
Best thing to do if you supsect someone doing it is to file a petition against him and wait for CCP to fix the exploits.
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Zell
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Posted - 2004.07.12 13:23:00 -
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Originally by: Jacque Sparrow
Edited by: Jacque Sparrow on 15/06/2004 00:02:24
Originally by: Hematic
Adriana,
... forces the player to remain connected literally - oops, have I been playing this game too long ? - LOL
This, coming from the login/logout king...
Why don't you sack up and play the game jaqu??
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Zell
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Posted - 2004.07.12 13:23:00 -
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Originally by: Jacque Sparrow
Edited by: Jacque Sparrow on 15/06/2004 00:02:24
Originally by: Hematic
Adriana,
... forces the player to remain connected literally - oops, have I been playing this game too long ? - LOL
This, coming from the login/logout king...
Why don't you sack up and play the game jaqu??
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Bhal'rog
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Posted - 2004.07.13 00:01:00 -
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Originally by: Photon Lightwielder
lol it's so fun to see all the pirates get all worked up What are the "carebears" outmaneuvering you? buu fuÇking hoo
Until it gets listed as an exploit by ccp go deal with it
I'm not a pirate.
And I think it is lame.
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Bhal'rog
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Posted - 2004.07.13 00:01:00 -
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Originally by: Photon Lightwielder
lol it's so fun to see all the pirates get all worked up What are the "carebears" outmaneuvering you? buu fuÇking hoo
Until it gets listed as an exploit by ccp go deal with it
I'm not a pirate.
And I think it is lame.
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Zzazzt
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Posted - 2004.07.14 14:08:00 -
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Logging (or indeed running at all) from a duel is proper lame. Don't do it kids. If your not prepared to lose, don't duel.
Logging from a fleet engagement - well, tbh, what's the difference between that and warping?
Last but not least: No-one (pirates included) wants to lose ships from lag-locked modules, lag-locked warp drives, or "spammed-can't-warp" syndrome (specifically when being spammed by guristas). If I get one of them, I'll log every time. Lame? Maybe. Other option: sit there unable to do anything & watch yourself get spammed to death. Lame? Definately.
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Zzazzt
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Posted - 2004.07.14 14:08:00 -
[72]
Logging (or indeed running at all) from a duel is proper lame. Don't do it kids. If your not prepared to lose, don't duel.
Logging from a fleet engagement - well, tbh, what's the difference between that and warping?
Last but not least: No-one (pirates included) wants to lose ships from lag-locked modules, lag-locked warp drives, or "spammed-can't-warp" syndrome (specifically when being spammed by guristas). If I get one of them, I'll log every time. Lame? Maybe. Other option: sit there unable to do anything & watch yourself get spammed to death. Lame? Definately.
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Dianabolic
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Posted - 2004.07.14 14:17:00 -
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Originally by: Zzazzt
Logging (or indeed running at all) from a duel is proper lame. Don't do it kids. If your not prepared to lose, don't duel.
Logging from a fleet engagement - well, tbh, what's the difference between that and warping?
Last but not least: No-one (pirates included) wants to lose ships from lag-locked modules, lag-locked warp drives, or "spammed-can't-warp" syndrome (specifically when being spammed by guristas). If I get one of them, I'll log every time. Lame? Maybe. Other option: sit there unable to do anything & watch yourself get spammed to death. Lame? Definately.
Logging when lagged is one thing - logging when you're in an industrial, as Sacred Spirit is so fond of doing, to save your unescorted ship and cargo is lame.
Logging when you jump in to a camped gate because you can not be BOTHERED to have the numerous friendlies in the system you're jumping in to (who outnumber the bad guys by about 2:1) to save your scorpion, which Recluse Viramor is so fond of doing, is equally, if not more, lame.
Both of the characters listed above are in the "Lame Hall of Fame".
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Dianabolic
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Posted - 2004.07.14 14:17:00 -
[74]
Originally by: Zzazzt
Logging (or indeed running at all) from a duel is proper lame. Don't do it kids. If your not prepared to lose, don't duel.
Logging from a fleet engagement - well, tbh, what's the difference between that and warping?
Last but not least: No-one (pirates included) wants to lose ships from lag-locked modules, lag-locked warp drives, or "spammed-can't-warp" syndrome (specifically when being spammed by guristas). If I get one of them, I'll log every time. Lame? Maybe. Other option: sit there unable to do anything & watch yourself get spammed to death. Lame? Definately.
Logging when lagged is one thing - logging when you're in an industrial, as Sacred Spirit is so fond of doing, to save your unescorted ship and cargo is lame.
Logging when you jump in to a camped gate because you can not be BOTHERED to have the numerous friendlies in the system you're jumping in to (who outnumber the bad guys by about 2:1) to save your scorpion, which Recluse Viramor is so fond of doing, is equally, if not more, lame.
Both of the characters listed above are in the "Lame Hall of Fame".
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Earthan
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Posted - 2004.07.14 21:15:00 -
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its extremely lame , never have done it and never will do it.
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Earthan
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Posted - 2004.07.14 21:15:00 -
[76]
its extremely lame , never have done it and never will do it.
Stars, stars like dust, all around me.... |
Zane Broohn
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Posted - 2004.07.15 04:53:00 -
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Edited by: Zane Broohn on 15/07/2004 04:55:09
Seems about as "lame" as ore theft, corp theft, market scamming, and shady activities with alts to me. I read lots of people defending those "professions" here as being "part of the game". I don't think logging is any worse at all.
If you think I'm defending logging as a tactic, read the above paragraph again. If you still do....I can't help you.
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Zane Broohn
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Posted - 2004.07.15 04:53:00 -
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Edited by: Zane Broohn on 15/07/2004 04:55:09
Seems about as "lame" as ore theft, corp theft, market scamming, and shady activities with alts to me. I read lots of people defending those "professions" here as being "part of the game". I don't think logging is any worse at all.
If you think I'm defending logging as a tactic, read the above paragraph again. If you still do....I can't help you.
"It is better to die on your feet than to live on your knees" |
Earthan
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Posted - 2004.07.15 11:08:00 -
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Edited by: Earthan on 15/07/2004 11:13:08
You are tottaly wrong Zahne.
Ore theft,market scamming, or even corp theft are all accomplished within game mechanics and yuo got mostly ways to prevent this, some of them should be tweaked.
Logging off to save your ship is resourcing to off game mechanic to save you ship.Tottaly wrong and lame.
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Earthan
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Posted - 2004.07.15 11:08:00 -
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Edited by: Earthan on 15/07/2004 11:13:08
You are tottaly wrong Zahne.
Ore theft,market scamming, or even corp theft are all accomplished within game mechanics and yuo got mostly ways to prevent this, some of them should be tweaked.
Logging off to save your ship is resourcing to off game mechanic to save you ship.Tottaly wrong and lame.
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Zane Broohn
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Posted - 2004.07.15 13:00:00 -
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Edited by: Zane Broohn on 15/07/2004 13:06:02
As I was stating an opinion (seems...to me), I can't be wrong.
Again, ore theft, corp theft, market scamming and shady alt activities seem just as lame as logging to me.
I don't/won't log off. Nor will you catch me taking part in any of the weak-minded activities mentioned above.
ZB
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Zane Broohn
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Posted - 2004.07.15 13:00:00 -
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Edited by: Zane Broohn on 15/07/2004 13:06:02
As I was stating an opinion (seems...to me), I can't be wrong.
Again, ore theft, corp theft, market scamming and shady alt activities seem just as lame as logging to me.
I don't/won't log off. Nor will you catch me taking part in any of the weak-minded activities mentioned above.
ZB
"It is better to die on your feet than to live on your knees" |
Dianabolic
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Posted - 2004.07.15 14:26:00 -
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Originally by: Zane Broohn
Edited by: Zane Broohn on 15/07/2004 13:06:02
As I was stating an opinion (seems...to me), I can't be wrong.
Seems a bit circular, that one - seems he was only stating his opinion that you were wrong, after all.
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Dianabolic
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Posted - 2004.07.15 14:26:00 -
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Originally by: Zane Broohn
Edited by: Zane Broohn on 15/07/2004 13:06:02
As I was stating an opinion (seems...to me), I can't be wrong.
Seems a bit circular, that one - seems he was only stating his opinion that you were wrong, after all.
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Zane Broohn
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Posted - 2004.07.15 20:53:00 -
[85]
He stated his opinion as a fact though. No "I believe....I think....seems to me" etc.
And as for the circular part, I didn't say he was wrong. I said I wasn't.
Maybe splitting hairs here, but /me shrugs. 
"It is better to die on your feet than to live on your knees" |
Zane Broohn
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Posted - 2004.07.15 20:53:00 -
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He stated his opinion as a fact though. No "I believe....I think....seems to me" etc.
And as for the circular part, I didn't say he was wrong. I said I wasn't.
Maybe splitting hairs here, but /me shrugs.
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