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Vile rat
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1043
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Posted - 2012.03.27 07:46:00 -
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Mokanor Lenak wrote:What people say while drunk is what they really are. No holding back, speaking your mind instantly.
Excuses of role-playing and not remembering, only makes it more sad.
Apology does not make it alright. You deserve a few smacks on the head with a crowbar for the way you acted. Most likely the villain in-game overtook the "nice person" in real life.
CCP should have just throw the ban hammer to make an example of what not to do, but most likely they are too scared, and so prefer the "apologize so we can get this over with" routine.
As the person who sat with him at the fish restaurant a day before his presentation going over his notes I can field this one a little bit. I mean either take what I'm saying at face value or not, it doesn't matter much, but I'm not really known for making stuff up so here you go.
It wasn't somebody trying to be edgy or even king of space'y, or was somebody trying to be funny and not realizing that what is funny to some could be really insulting to others. The whole alliance presentation was a disaster before it even began because it consisted of unfunny chatlogs being read aloud which wasn't terribly helpful, but you should have seen the thread he posted looking for ideas on our forum which wasn't a whole lot of help either. So he collected what we found funny as a subgroup of eve, tears in chatlogs, and read them to show what kinds of letters he gets in response to our in game activities by people who take the game way too seriously.
The guy who got super mad that we blew up his spaceship did in fact send him a letter full of drama saying he was going to do this or that and frankly Mittens should have forwarded it to CCP and authorities so the guy could have had his account banned and received the proper help if he really needed it. It was a poor choice of logs to read aloud during this event for many reasons, but for many of us the biggest reason is reading chatlogs isn't funny. It's not entertaining. Who the hell wants to hear some dude read a bunch of logs?
I think he should be banned from giving Alliance presentations for those reasons but he's done a fantastic job as a CSM and that should be the end of it. |
James Amril-Kesh
Viziam Amarr Empire
134
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Posted - 2012.03.27 07:47:00 -
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10,000 subscriptions*
Probably closer to 4,000 or less subscribers. Support showing T2 and faction frequency crystal damage in the info window! |
Fenris Deka
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
9
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Posted - 2012.03.27 07:48:00 -
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I don't even consider this cyber bullying, because Mittens only said it in a drunken stupor at a fanfest.
The guy is over 18 anyway, and didn't even care about it in the first place so people really need to get off their soap boxes, they have zero stance in any sort of argument about this. It's not about you, it's not cyber bullying; whoever said that in the first place is a complete idiot who doesn't even know what the term cyber bullying even means.
Come the hell on, the mere fact that pubbies are even having heart attacks about this makes me lose IQ, the little I already had. STFU and move the hell on. |
Mokanor Lenak
Republic University Minmatar Republic
7
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Posted - 2012.03.27 07:48:00 -
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Gossamer DT wrote:Mokanor Lenak wrote:Algia Knightstorm wrote: You're an alt. Your opinion does not matter. This is not news.
Yes, because dealing with a random person on the internet is so hard to do Actually this is one of my mains. Being in NPC corp does not make me an alt silly goon fan :) wow so main that you post so often with this pilot? oh wait 7 likes, does that mean you have 8 accounts?
Yeah.. likes... because likes is what makes your character so amazing that it gives you skills and isk... what an idiot |
Lord Grantham
Downton Endeavours
6
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Posted - 2012.03.27 07:49:00 -
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James Amril-Kesh wrote:10,000 subscriptions* Probably closer to 4,000 or less subscribers.
I don't think you can vote if you are not currently subscribed. |
Algia Knightstorm
Cloak and Daggers Fidelas Constans
31
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Posted - 2012.03.27 07:49:00 -
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Mokanor Lenak wrote:Algia Knightstorm wrote: You're an alt. Your opinion does not matter. This is not news.
Yes, because dealing with a random person on the internet is so hard to do Actually this is one of my mains. Being in NPC corp does not make me an alt silly goon fan :)
In that care I rephrase: You are a pubbie. Your opinion does not matter. This is not news. |
Gorki Andropov
Kerensky Initiatives
269
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Posted - 2012.03.27 07:49:00 -
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Atedar Kerane wrote:The Mittani wrote: I am not actually a sociopath or a sadist, and I certainly don't want people to kill themselves in real life over an internet spaceship game, no matter what I may say or do within the game itself. CCP may say 'EVE is Real', but EVE is not real - and the line between the game and reality should not be overstepped. While the Eve Online character "The Mittani" would never apologize for any sort of villany in game, I myself, as Alex Gianturco, feel utterly ashamed and sickened by my behavior.
You should probably read the Tearms of Service again, that is, assuming you even read them once Quote:You may not use GÇ£role-playingGÇ¥ as an excuse to violate these rules. While EVE Online is a persistent world, fantasy role-playing game, the claim of role-playing is not an acceptable defense for anti-social behavior. Role-playing is encouraged, but not at the expense of other player. You may not create or participate in a corporation or group that habitually violates this policy. Your apology is appriciated, but trying to justify your poor behavior with roleplaying is not.
Very good point. |
Vile rat
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1043
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Posted - 2012.03.27 07:50:00 -
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James Amril-Kesh wrote:10,000 subscriptions* Probably closer to 4,000 or less subscribers.
Is there a difference? |
Zagdul
Clan Shadow Wolf Fatal Ascension
455
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Posted - 2012.03.27 07:50:00 -
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James Amril-Kesh wrote:10,000 subscriptions* Probably closer to 4,000 or less subscribers.
1 vote per account = 10000 subscriptions.
could be 4000 people however.
It's not Rocket Surgery |
DaiTengu
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
82
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Posted - 2012.03.27 07:51:00 -
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Mokanor Lenak wrote:What people say while drunk is what they really are. No holding back, speaking your mind instantly.
Bullshit. I've said some really dumb things while drunk and had to fess up for them. I'd be willing to bet lots of money that you think bad things about people and don't say them out loud for fear of hurting the person's feelings or other repercussions. Drinking removes that filter
It doesn't make you a terrible person. Everyone thinks these things, not everyone is in front of a crowd of thousands when they're drunk and they say dumb ****.
Mokanor Lenak wrote:Excuses of role-playing and not remembering, only makes it more sad.
Apology does not make it alright. You deserve a few smacks on the head with a crowbar for the way you acted. Most likely the villain in-game overtook the "nice person" in real life.
You just contradicted yourself and then suggested basically killing the guy IRL. Bravo!
Quote:CCP should have just throw the ban hammer to make an example of what not to do, but most likely they are too scared, and so prefer the "apologize so we can get this over with" routine.
I'm going to guess there was very little communication here with CCP during his flight home.
Look, I've hung out with the guy in real life, I'm indirectly responsible for HIS PUPPY (I have the same breed of PUPPY!) and I'm 100% certain this apology is real and from the heart. I hate to break down his internet persona but Mittens is a genuinely nice guy and he just let the internet persona go to his head. I've done this, I bet half of you reading this have done it too.
I really, REALLY hate to quote any work of fiction here, but ... "Let he who is without sin cast the first stone"
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Bella Rugente
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
17
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Posted - 2012.03.27 07:51:00 -
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Tyrone Cashmoney wrote:The Mittani wrote:the Mackinaw miner is doing fine and mining away, You know what to do. I could recruit him for a 500m security deposit. |
orphenshadow
Easy Co. Fatal Ascension
14
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Posted - 2012.03.27 07:52:00 -
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He apologized to both the player involved and to the community.
It's over.
All the pubbies are doing is further harassing The Wis and badgering him for interviews and likely giving him even more attention than he would have ever gotten from anyone seriously looking to go kill his mach's, all so they can say that they have beaten Mittens. |
Acwron
Meet The Fockers Vera Cruz Alliance
22
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Posted - 2012.03.27 07:52:00 -
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The Mittani wrote:..................................................
These are words, not facts. FACT is what you did. Apologizes are WORDS.
BLA, BLA, BLA....GTFO. |
Gossamer DT
Wildly Inappropriate Goonswarm Federation
71
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Posted - 2012.03.27 07:53:00 -
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Mokanor Lenak wrote:Gossamer DT wrote:Mokanor Lenak wrote:Algia Knightstorm wrote: You're an alt. Your opinion does not matter. This is not news.
Yes, because dealing with a random person on the internet is so hard to do Actually this is one of my mains. Being in NPC corp does not make me an alt silly goon fan :) wow so main that you post so often with this pilot? oh wait 7 likes, does that mean you have 8 accounts? Yeah.. likes... because likes is what makes your character so amazing that it gives you skills and isk... what an idiot
well I was shooting for the you post so much on this main of yours that it's clearly a main, not really in game anything, but you point is almost valid. who is your main, and what does he do? |
Spectre80
The Knights Templar GIANTSBANE.
58
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Posted - 2012.03.27 07:53:00 -
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actions speak louder than words. anybody can write apology letter. |
orphenshadow
Easy Co. Fatal Ascension
14
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Posted - 2012.03.27 07:54:00 -
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DaiTengu wrote:Mokanor Lenak wrote:What people say while drunk is what they really are. No holding back, speaking your mind instantly.
Bullshit. I've said some really dumb things while drunk and had to fess up for them. I'd be willing to bet lots of money that you think bad things about people and don't say them out loud for fear of hurting the person's feelings or other repercussions. Drinking removes that filter It doesn't make you a terrible person. Everyone thinks these things, not everyone is in front of a crowd of thousands when they're drunk and they say dumb ****. Mokanor Lenak wrote:Excuses of role-playing and not remembering, only makes it more sad.
Apology does not make it alright. You deserve a few smacks on the head with a crowbar for the way you acted. Most likely the villain in-game overtook the "nice person" in real life. You just contradicted yourself and then suggested basically killing the guy IRL. Bravo! Quote:CCP should have just throw the ban hammer to make an example of what not to do, but most likely they are too scared, and so prefer the "apologize so we can get this over with" routine. I'm going to guess there was very little communication here with CCP during his flight home. Look, I've hung out with the guy in real life, I'm indirectly responsible for HIS PUPPY (I have the same breed of PUPPY!) and I'm 100% certain this apology is real and from the heart. I hate to break down his internet persona but Mittens is a genuinely nice guy and he just let the internet persona go to his head. I've done this, I bet half of you reading this have done it too. I really, REALLY hate to quote any work of fiction here, but ... "Let he who is without sin cast the first stone"
Well said bro...
We all guilty of being insensitive assholes when drunk. We have all said **** that we wished we could take back. The difference is not all of us have the balls to apologize and try to make amends.
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Shogun Archer
49
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Posted - 2012.03.27 07:55:00 -
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Acwron wrote:The Mittani wrote:..................................................
These are words, not facts. FACT is what you did. Apologizes are WORDS. BLA, BLA, BLA....GTFO.
Actually, genius, what he DID was use words. If you run into more than 2 a**holes in a day, you should probably look in the mirror. |
Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3565
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Posted - 2012.03.27 07:55:00 -
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Acwron wrote:The Mittani wrote:..................................................
These are words, not facts. FACT is what you did. Apologizes are WORDS. BLA, BLA, BLA....GTFO.
neither you nor the raiden/ncdot badposters in this thread care about the dude in question, the incident or anything, it's just a nice opportunity to make veiled complaints about the titan nerf
also you should have watched the fanfest presentation he showed everyone your tears
shame that he didn't name you "WeGÇÖre a professional Merc Alliance, like PL" ~ snot shot, 2012 |
Vile rat
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1043
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Posted - 2012.03.27 07:55:00 -
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Spectre80 wrote:actions speak louder than words. anybody can write apology letter.
So what you're saying is he doesn't have your vote next time? |
Snow Axe
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
144
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Posted - 2012.03.27 07:56:00 -
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Words are meaningless! Except those words you used that caused all of this bull, those words weren't. These ones are though! |
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BrokenBC
Incompertus INC Fatal Ascension
28
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Posted - 2012.03.27 07:56:00 -
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Break out the pitch torks and forchs there's gonna be a lynchin.Holy christ you people need to get a life. |
Zagdul
Clan Shadow Wolf Fatal Ascension
462
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Posted - 2012.03.27 07:56:00 -
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Vile rat wrote:James Amril-Kesh wrote:10,000 subscriptions* Probably closer to 4,000 or less subscribers. Is there a difference? Continuum fallacy
It's not Rocket Surgery |
Rico Minali
Sons Of 0din Fatal Ascension
406
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Posted - 2012.03.27 07:57:00 -
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Acwron wrote:The Mittani wrote:..................................................
These are words, not facts. FACT is what you did. Apologizes are WORDS. BLA, BLA, BLA....GTFO.
Wait what? So his words wernt facts, but what he said was words, therefore also not facts, his apology was words, not facts so his original words were in fact not fact? So none of this actually happened? Trust me, I almost know what I'm doing. |
David Cedarbridge
Merch Industrial Goonswarm Federation
129
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Posted - 2012.03.27 07:57:00 -
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Amity Lane wrote:SmilingVagrant wrote:Amity Lane wrote:Fact #1: The Mittani said he was going to resign.
Fact #2: The Mittani has not resigned.
Still waiting on an explanation here. You do realize he's just resigning the chair right? And that he can only do so on the suffrage of the other CSM members? Interesting how now it's just "resigning the chair", and not his CSM position. I guess since he wasn't explicit earlier this isn't technically revisionism, but I think to pretty much everyone it was implied that he was going to be resigning his CSM position. We've been lawyer'd, it seems. Interesting.
No, like so much of what you and you ilk have been braying for this whole thread long (over what is essentially a non-issue blown out of proportion by gaming bloggers, certainly not a new concept if you are at all familiar with the way that gaming blogs work) you have created a vision of what YOU want to happen and then get disappointed when your vision doesn't come about. Yes, you still get to deal with the legally elected CSM Mittani and all of those terrible things that are going to make the game better for the rest of us that he is pushing. Face it, you and the rest of your hillariously misguided false rage club are upset that a second attempt at getting Mittens off the CSM roster is falling through. The election didn't work out for you, and here overblowing a non-event overblown already in some rather poor quality blogs (never was a fan of Massively or their like in the first place and their spotty coverage of this issue doesn't help improve their image with me either) in a ploy to push for resignation isn't going to work either. What's the next plan? Chase him with a team of photographers to catch him playing other games than EVE? |
Snow Axe
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
147
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Posted - 2012.03.27 07:58:00 -
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Rico Minali wrote:Acwron wrote:The Mittani wrote:..................................................
These are words, not facts. FACT is what you did. Apologizes are WORDS. BLA, BLA, BLA....GTFO. Wait what? So his words wernt facts, but what he said was words, therefore also not facts, his apology was words, not facts so his original words were in fact not fact? So none of this actually happened?
We aren't even here right now oh god what is going on |
Amity Lane
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
52
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Posted - 2012.03.27 07:58:00 -
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Andski wrote:(snip) just a nice opportunity to make veiled complaints about the titan nerf (snip) Interesting how the only mention of Titan nerfs in any of these MittaniGate threads are in accusations such as this. |
Mokanor Lenak
Republic University Minmatar Republic
7
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Posted - 2012.03.27 07:58:00 -
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Vile rat wrote:As the person who sat with him at the fish restaurant a day before his presentation going over his notes I can field this one a little bit. I mean either take what I'm saying at face value or not, it doesn't matter much, but I'm not really known for making stuff up so here you go.
It wasn't somebody trying to be edgy or even king of space'y, or was somebody trying to be funny and not realizing that what is funny to some could be really insulting to others. The whole alliance presentation was a disaster before it even began because it consisted of unfunny chatlogs being read aloud which wasn't terribly helpful, but you should have seen the thread he posted looking for ideas on our forum which wasn't a whole lot of help either. So he collected what we found funny as a subgroup of eve, tears in chatlogs, and read them to show what kinds of letters he gets in response to our in game activities by people who take the game way too seriously.
The guy who got super mad that we blew up his spaceship did in fact send him a letter full of drama saying he was going to do this or that and frankly Mittens should have forwarded it to CCP and authorities so the guy could have had his account banned and received the proper help if he really needed it. It was a poor choice of logs to read aloud during this event for many reasons, but for many of us the biggest reason is reading chatlogs isn't funny. It's not entertaining. Who the hell wants to hear some dude read a bunch of logs?
I think he should be banned from giving Alliance presentations for those reasons but he's done a fantastic job as a CSM and that should be the end of it.
Its great that he does a good job in CSM and has a good reputation among friends. But its enough to do one small (or big) bad thing to kill all that reputation and smear his name forever.
For the rest of it, poor choice of letters or chat logs, he should have been more careful, and saying that just for getting some laughts,that is just as sad. As a CSM chairman and someone who consider himself as a leader and decision maker in the game, he should have known better. Drunk and joking are bad excuses for that. |
James Amril-Kesh
Viziam Amarr Empire
134
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Posted - 2012.03.27 07:59:00 -
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Lord Grantham wrote:James Amril-Kesh wrote:10,000 subscriptions* Probably closer to 4,000 or less subscribers. I don't think you can vote if you are not currently subscribed. I don't think you understand my point.
Individuals can cast more than one vote, you know. Seeing as they can hold more than one account. Support showing T2 and faction frequency crystal damage in the info window! |
Zagdul
Clan Shadow Wolf Fatal Ascension
462
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Posted - 2012.03.27 07:59:00 -
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Spectre80 wrote:actions speak louder than words. anybody can write apology letter. I agree, that's why he gave the dude over 10b isk (all the isk in his - the mittani's wallet).
There's not much more he can do to show that he is genuinely apologetic for offending anyone.
It's not Rocket Surgery |
orphenshadow
Easy Co. Fatal Ascension
15
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Posted - 2012.03.27 08:00:00 -
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Snow Axe wrote:Words are meaningless! Except those words you used that caused all of this bull, those words weren't. These ones are though! Andski wrote:neither you nor the raiden/ncdot badposters in this thread care about the dude in question, the incident or anything, it's just a nice opportunity to make veiled complaints about the titan nerf
The smoske parallels makes them remember the good ol' days when they were relevant.
Yes, but these words fuel our agenda.. those words don't fit into the agenda so they are meaningless. |
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