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Largo Usagi
Amok. Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2012.03.27 03:11:00 -
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Well as a former CEO and one who had logs of all of his corp members ratting I realized I had a botter in my corp. The pilot was on 14 Hours a day and brought a HUGE amount of ISK into the corp. That stated personally I feel that it adversely effects every one in the game but at the time my corp was befitting from the botter and shortly was removed.
I approve the scarlet letter with another side effect, removal of corp taxes yielded from the botter.
Here is some quick Math lets say a decent bot can get 80m an hour(this is not unheard of) 80m an hour 1.12b a day at roughly 14 hours a day with scheduled variance.
Now with 10% going to the corp that's 8m an hour 112m a day in the corp wallet.
In a 30 day cycle that's almost 3.4b isk
That immense amount of isk is seen by the corp that recruits a botter, and that is incentive to recruit botters and turn a blind eye if it is going on. Now if the corp lost 3.4b isk with the botter that isk is out of the economy and the corp feels the punishment too. If the scarlet lettering is in place and the player gets punished for botting the removal should be double that to server as a deterrent from recruiting players that have been flagged as botting. So if the player isn't a problem and isn't punished as a repeat offender then the corp has no issue but if they are then the corp has to feel the consequences of its risky decision.
This is real consequence already in play with new ones stacked to deter corporations from recruiting known botters.
Also a public list of the players who have been permaband from the game and bio-massed is useless, they are gone and never to be seen again.
A scarlet letter for a year of visibility is a fair idea because that allows for the possibility of oops i ****** up please don't perma ban me. I dont think a 3 strikes system should be in place here either, 2 is plenty, if you get a reprimand once then you now know the rules in this area. If you get a reprimand a second time then you deserve to get permaband for botting.
TL;DR
Make it publically shown if a pilot has been cought botting Wrap corporate level punishments for pilots with Scarlett letters if they get banned again. |
Kenpachi Viktor
Gradient Electus Matari
160
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Posted - 2012.03.27 03:12:00 -
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CCP Sreegs wrote:Ohh Yeah wrote:Scarlet Letters should be implemented, but not visible to all players.
These should only be visible to corp CEOs when a pilot has put in an application to the corporation. Something along the lines of a notice that the applicant has had strikes against their account for botting.
This allows conscientious CEOs to turn away players with whom they seek to prevent their corporation members from exchanging ISK with. I say this because botters tend to be notorious for a certain type of transaction which is not allowed. I don't think any CEO would want potentially dirty ISK being passed directly from a "marked" botter to their corp members through trades, contracts, or what have you. There's also the possibility that one player's knowledge of botting could easily be shared to others (I think, Darius, you are familiar with a certain Space Captain Schettino who crashed his corporation into the rocks by spreading knowledge of botting).
Lying about your intentions ("Oh I'm not joining this WH corp to clean out the hangars") is one thing, but being able to lie about actions taken against your account is another.
TL;DR - Strikes not visible to everyone, only CEO/Directors of corps when a player with strikes against their account applies to that corporation. This allows them to make smart decisions and not accept players they would not otherwise. Being familiar with how things work you know I'd just make a corp and publish the info using some really cool API app. :(
But if you can only see the mark when they've applied to your corp, you're not going to get many ex botters applying to it if you're doing a public naming of them. If you combine this with a 6 (first offence) or 12 (second offence) month duration of the mark, you have an incentive for reformed botters to stay clean. As for what the mark is, I'd suggest a time/date stamp and why type of botting they were doing. What is the point if every race has an Jam/Damp/Disruptor/ ship etc? Not every race has to be a fluffy little mirror of each other, it's seriously not needed. Things like Gallente having the only drone BS and Caldari having the only ECM BS are incredibly cool distinctions that only add to EVE in both game play value and flavour. |
Gilbaron
Free-Space-Ranger Ev0ke
168
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Posted - 2012.03.27 03:13:00 -
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CCP Sreegs wrote:Gilbaron wrote:name and shame wont help the problem
bots will move away from corporations and stay in npc corps
players behind the bots will get better at hiding their true identity, bot isk, sell for money, buy plex with money, sell plex for isk, really difficult for CCP to find their true identity if stuff like TOR and Virtual Machines is used to hide the true ID and details of the computer
an anonymous list (3 market bots in jita, 40 ratting bots in XXX, 50 mining bots in YYY were banned today, they lost a total of ZZZ isk and assets worth XXX isk since they were aquired via botting) of those in their first and second strike and a a public list of those characters permabanned might be a good idea to state clearly that CCP is actively fighting bots While I love the mythology that people have that they can remain anonymous on the internet it's a falsehood over time. The idea that, especially given EVE and all of the numbers involved, we can actually focus on this and any other *example here norms* apply is pretty silly. The margins on one hand are completely different and we allow PLEX. We've shown at least three times in the early days that we can focus and completely shut down a bot developer because the margins frankly aren't there. If you think this is some world where someone doing a bad activity we care about can just magically vanish those dog days are pretty much over.
so you say that you can still identify me if im using TOR via 3g on my laptop for my bot and my normal Cable internet on my desktop for normal gaming, running two accounts who never ever have touched each other ingame and dont have anything in common on the account management site ? thats pretty interesting and i would like to hear more
concerning PLEX i think i have to agree with you, they are likely the single most powerfull weapon against professional RMTers but will do nothing about the guys who are simply to lazy to go and farm their ships via hard work like everybody else |
Zleon Leigh
103
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Posted - 2012.03.27 03:14:00 -
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Personal and Corporate recruiting security is paramount - even if CCP can reverse harm and unwind round two of dirty dealings that takes a lot of time, which can significantly impact players and corps. They can still do business on the open markets, but I at least I could avoid contracts and trades with probable repeat offenders. Let's set that deterrence bar as high as possible. Since you are determined to not make it a one strike and you are out (which is what is should be), then the Scarlet Letter it is. Incarna - Newest business example of mismanaged capital.
CCP - Continuing to gank independent PI producers every day |
Dar Saleem
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
6
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Posted - 2012.03.27 03:14:00 -
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Make an NPC corporation called something line "Concord penal legion" and put characters in it
Make a high tax rate, make it they cant leave for 6 months and possibly that you can war dec it.
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Ordais
DARK ORCHESTRA
13
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Posted - 2012.03.27 03:16:00 -
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Why is it good?
- because as a CEO, i can identify botters and NOT let them into my corp. - because if i think someone is a bot, and is already marked, i know you are on to it and i won't misuse the "report bot" function (less work for you) - it detracts from botting, or at least they have to recycle accounts more often = more use of plex
how to make it work? - make it a "after 2nd strike" rule, = you don't get marked for your first offence. No mercy for REPEATED botting. - make it time limited, if you do well for 6months/1year, you are unmarked again - make it VISIBLE...don't hide it behind x-menues. i would even like to see what market orders come from ex-tradebots
I normally are not for mob-justice, because it doesn't work. But in this case its not about determination of guilt, thats your job, so all what happens is ppl can keep themselves safe not interacting with botters isk wise. |
Tcar
Dirt Nap Squad Dirt Nap Squad.
9
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Posted - 2012.03.27 03:17:00 -
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Pedro Snachez wrote:Tcar wrote:Pedro Snachez wrote: People who are caught and shamed are probably more likely to just quit than to try to "become a better person". That or biomass the character. Good, quit, or roll up a new toon. Either way works for me. They can play wow or spend more of some sort of subscription money while training a new character. The problem with that is that it is redundant with what CCP is already doing with bots (bans). CCP Sreegs seems to be interested in a system to correct peoples' behavior via shame with the intention of them NOT quitting or rerolling a character. It's satisfying for those of us who don't bot to say GTFO to botters, but that doesn't seem to be what CCP Sreegs is aiming for here. With the reaction people have towards bots it is highly likely anyone caught would find quitting preferable to dealing with the malice they would undoubtedly experience. Therefore, shaming = self imposed banning.
Except that generally, people who bot, by in large aren't doing it on their mains or even their main accounts. They are doing it on alt accounts with trash characters. it's not like it takes a heck of a lot to roll up a Hulk pilot or even a tengu alt, especially with the whole "power of 2" deals, buddy passes etc.
Name them when they are banned. It's not like some dude is going to be macro mining ice,ark etc on his main. I also doubt a hard core botter is gonna do anom/belt etc botting on their main. If they biomass the toon, so what. I doubt that getting caught macroing is going to make someone quit EVE entirely, and if it does, then I am not sure I want that person in this game to begin with, since they want to play a different game than I am. |
Kai Tel
State War Academy Caldari State
31
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Posted - 2012.03.27 03:18:00 -
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It would just be a meta-gaming tool for griefing people out of the game. YouGÇÖd be setting someone up for a lot of abuse from players where a more forceful perma-ban system would work better and be a lot cleaner for CCPGÇÖs image with media and its own. Look at the fallout from the alliance panel right now. Do you really want to give someone another stick to call GÇ£bullyingGÇ¥ and beat CCP over the head with again? Though I am to a point where I wish you would look at a means of making miner botting part of the game so you can control and regulate it to our benifit and put the outlaws out of business. It all reads too much like alcohol prohibition age stuff from American history right now. LOL. |
Ai Shun
420
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Posted - 2012.03.27 03:18:00 -
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Gilbaron wrote:so you say that you can still identify me if im using TOR via 3g on my laptop for my bot and my normal Cable internet on my desktop for normal gaming, running two accounts who never ever have touched each other ingame and dont have anything in common on the account management site ? thats pretty interesting and i would like to hear more
Here is a piece on Forbes that shows how Target used their systems to determine a customer was likely to be pregnant and advised this customer ... well. Read the article. Do not underestimate the footprint you leave in terms of movement, actions, communication and so forth. I think it would be damn difficult, but I wouldn't write it off as impossible either. |
Nemo deBlanc
Phoibe Enterprises
14
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Posted - 2012.03.27 03:19:00 -
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Gilbaron wrote:CCP Sreegs wrote:Gilbaron wrote:name and shame wont help the problem
bots will move away from corporations and stay in npc corps
players behind the bots will get better at hiding their true identity, bot isk, sell for money, buy plex with money, sell plex for isk, really difficult for CCP to find their true identity if stuff like TOR and Virtual Machines is used to hide the true ID and details of the computer
an anonymous list (3 market bots in jita, 40 ratting bots in XXX, 50 mining bots in YYY were banned today, they lost a total of ZZZ isk and assets worth XXX isk since they were aquired via botting) of those in their first and second strike and a a public list of those characters permabanned might be a good idea to state clearly that CCP is actively fighting bots While I love the mythology that people have that they can remain anonymous on the internet it's a falsehood over time. The idea that, especially given EVE and all of the numbers involved, we can actually focus on this and any other *example here norms* apply is pretty silly. The margins on one hand are completely different and we allow PLEX. We've shown at least three times in the early days that we can focus and completely shut down a bot developer because the margins frankly aren't there. If you think this is some world where someone doing a bad activity we care about can just magically vanish those dog days are pretty much over. so you say that you can still identify me if im using TOR via 3g on my laptop for my bot and my normal Cable internet on my desktop for normal gaming, running two accounts who never ever have touched each other ingame and dont have anything in common on the account management site ? thats pretty interesting and i would like to hear more concerning PLEX i think i have to agree with you, they are likely the single most powerfull weapon against professional RMTers but will do nothing about the guys who are simply to lazy to go and farm their ships via hard work like everybody else
CCP uses hardware fingerprints as well as IP's. But it's still quite the fallacy on their part to try and pretend like people don't fake that as well. They've said bans are also on actual people, not just an account. But even if so, nothing stops Russians who bot EVE for a living from just using their grandmother for billing.
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Mintala Arana
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
1
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Posted - 2012.03.27 03:22:00 -
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Four things come to mind.
- Some people don't want botters in their corps, so a "scarlet letter" would allow filtering applicants for this.
- Some people don't want to do business with botters, so you get a benefit there.
- Some people's play style is oriented toward, umm, making other players miserable; perhaps they'd prefer to pick on botters?
These are all positives, overall.
- People identified as botters will be pariahs.
This is sort of a negative overall. |
Razin
The xDEATHx Squadron Legion of xXDEATHXx
287
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Posted - 2012.03.27 03:22:00 -
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Besides the fact that such a thing would be somewhat immersion breaking, I really couldn't care less about knowing if someone had been caught botting. All I want is Delayed Local so that the players have a chance to self-police in 0.0 at the very least. Why isn't this getting done?? |
Nemo deBlanc
Phoibe Enterprises
14
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Posted - 2012.03.27 03:25:00 -
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Razin wrote:Besides the fact that such a thing would be somewhat immersion breaking, I really couldn't care less about knowing if someone had been caught botting. All I want is Delayed Local so that the players have a chance to self-police in 0.0 at the very least. Why isn't this getting done??
This. But make it no local. There's absolutely no easier fix for CCP to address botting than simply not sending clients info on players in a system until the player is detected by scanning/entering grid. Unless I'm missing something, it's the blatantly obvious fix here, and it disappointing me that CCP won't actually make it happen. Sure, nullbears will cry. Who cares? |
Terminal Insanity
The Filthy Ones
432
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Posted - 2012.03.27 03:26:00 -
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Revii Lagoon wrote:Sisohiv wrote: You will understand if people miss things on the tickertape forum. If they are making Bot chars account locked, the motive for flagging them with stars is kind of not there.
Bot bann gets you -10.00 makes more sense. I wouldn't even bann them. Just run Sec -10.00 and all 4 empires -10.00 on third offence.
Terrible idea, most bots operate in 0.0 anyways so it would do nothing. 1) Most botters are in highsec, as shown by CCP's own pie charts at fanfest. 2) Banishing highsec botters to low/null would only make them not want to play the game at all. (and even less of a chance to become a good guy, which is what CCP wants them to do...)
Even making the 'mark' available to see in the Recruit Application, i guarentee there will be sites that pop up that will allow CEO/Directors to report these player's names and keep the list public.
Marking them should ether be completely public, or not at all. There is little choice in the matter tbh.
It would not be immersion breaking since you could RP it offf, CONCORD caught them using illegal tech and is warning other players about interacting with them. You might be infected with rogue AI!
Perhaps allow CEO's to flag their corporation as bot-free and then deny botters the abitily to even apply to those corporations. This way his bot status is private but players still have some control. "War declarations are never officially considered griefing and are not a bannable offense, and it has been repeatedly stated by the developers that the possibility for non-consensual PvP is an intended feature." - CCP |
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CCP Sreegs
C C P C C P Alliance
468
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Posted - 2012.03.27 03:32:00 -
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Nemo deBlanc wrote:Sisohiv wrote:Revii Lagoon wrote:Sisohiv wrote: You will understand if people miss things on the tickertape forum. If they are making Bot chars account locked, the motive for flagging them with stars is kind of not there.
Bot bann gets you -10.00 makes more sense. I wouldn't even bann them. Just run Sec -10.00 and all 4 empires -10.00 on third offence.
Terrible idea, most bots operate in 0.0 anyways so it would do nothing. Null bots are rare. I've done Null Mining Ops and 10/10 and there is no need to bot them. We could wipe a Plex belt in an hr or do a 10/10 in as much time. Everything is done in fleet out there. it's very efficient. Funny, care to explain my recent trip through deep Russian space then? ~10 systems in a row, each with Raven and Exequeror. The second you enter system, Raven heads to POS, Exequeror cloaks. Only characters in system, each made on the exact same day, all members of two different corps. But oh, I suppose that's perfectly normal, and those were all legit players, right? All of this stuff is ******* pointless if CCP is going to keep failing so hard they can't even break injection bots. ******* Runescape has got everyone forced to work in Color and OpenGL now, yet CCP flails along paddling the fail boat trying to do resource intensive manual investigations and bans. If they'd actually just break bots and obfuscate their code better, they could stop paying us lip service and show real results.
Hi I'm the guy who keeps showing you charts. I'll ask someone else to show more and we'll see if that cracks through. |
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CCP Sreegs
C C P C C P Alliance
468
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Posted - 2012.03.27 03:34:00 -
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Ai Shun wrote:CCP Sreegs wrote:What would you, the player, stand to benefit from being able to identify which characters had ever been caught botting, whether or not they were still engaging in this activity? It would allow me to block those players, ignore contracts from them and generally ensure I don't need to interact with people that try to ruin EVE for the rest of us that play the game legitimately. This is not the same as scamming, can-flipping or similar but a deliberate breach of the EULA. I'd rather not play with those kinds of ass-hats and if I can prevent myself from actively interacting with them or supporting them through such interaction that would be great. It does not matter to me if this is the first time they have been caught or not; the anti-botting stance is fundamentally entrenched in almost every single MMO out there. They cannot claim ignorance and I don't care if they repent or not - they actively chose to break that contract with CCP and the other players of EVE Online.
No other MMO is naming and shamimg. I just want to point that out and if I'm wrong I'm happy to stand corrected. |
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Alpheias
Euphoria Released 0ccupational Hazzard
547
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Posted - 2012.03.27 03:35:00 -
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CCP Sreegs wrote:Alpheias wrote:CCP Sreegs wrote:Pampers Toralen wrote:This the distraction from the mittens thread? Any word from ccp about the issue There's plenty of other threads to post in about this. Leave mine alone. Fine, here is something for you. What about the authentication dongles you gave out at fanfest 2011, or if it was 2010? A tentative date and explanation were given on Friday. We're looking at a release sometime in July and you can get the explanation for the delay from the stream as there's a lot of words involved. It'll be posted this week I imagine.
Ah. I missed that. But you got any information on authenticators being available to those that didn't go to fanfest or is that something that will be revealed in the devblog? I'd kill kittens and puppies and bunnies I'd maim toddlers and teens and then more |
Largo Usagi
Amok. Goonswarm Federation
14
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Posted - 2012.03.27 03:35:00 -
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CCP Sreegs wrote:Ai Shun wrote:CCP Sreegs wrote:What would you, the player, stand to benefit from being able to identify which characters had ever been caught botting, whether or not they were still engaging in this activity? It would allow me to block those players, ignore contracts from them and generally ensure I don't need to interact with people that try to ruin EVE for the rest of us that play the game legitimately. This is not the same as scamming, can-flipping or similar but a deliberate breach of the EULA. I'd rather not play with those kinds of ass-hats and if I can prevent myself from actively interacting with them or supporting them through such interaction that would be great. It does not matter to me if this is the first time they have been caught or not; the anti-botting stance is fundamentally entrenched in almost every single MMO out there. They cannot claim ignorance and I don't care if they repent or not - they actively chose to break that contract with CCP and the other players of EVE Online. No other MMO is naming and shamimg. I just want to point that out and if I'm wrong I'm happy to stand corrected.
If no other MMO is naming and shaming, Trend Set to me just naming and shaming them seems like a minimal change on your behalf and its more ammunition against the problem. |
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CCP Sreegs
C C P C C P Alliance
468
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Posted - 2012.03.27 03:38:00 -
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Gilbaron wrote:CCP Sreegs wrote:Gilbaron wrote:name and shame wont help the problem
bots will move away from corporations and stay in npc corps
players behind the bots will get better at hiding their true identity, bot isk, sell for money, buy plex with money, sell plex for isk, really difficult for CCP to find their true identity if stuff like TOR and Virtual Machines is used to hide the true ID and details of the computer
an anonymous list (3 market bots in jita, 40 ratting bots in XXX, 50 mining bots in YYY were banned today, they lost a total of ZZZ isk and assets worth XXX isk since they were aquired via botting) of those in their first and second strike and a a public list of those characters permabanned might be a good idea to state clearly that CCP is actively fighting bots While I love the mythology that people have that they can remain anonymous on the internet it's a falsehood over time. The idea that, especially given EVE and all of the numbers involved, we can actually focus on this and any other *example here norms* apply is pretty silly. The margins on one hand are completely different and we allow PLEX. We've shown at least three times in the early days that we can focus and completely shut down a bot developer because the margins frankly aren't there. If you think this is some world where someone doing a bad activity we care about can just magically vanish those dog days are pretty much over. so you say that you can still identify me if im using TOR via 3g on my laptop for my bot and my normal Cable internet on my desktop for normal gaming, running two accounts who never ever have touched each other ingame and dont have anything in common on the account management site ? thats pretty interesting and i would like to hear more concerning PLEX i think i have to agree with you, they are likely the single most powerfull weapon against professional RMTers but will do nothing about the guys who are simply to lazy to go and farm their ships via hard work like everybody else
I can tell you based on professional experience that the sense of anonymity you seem to be professing is really overblown and is the kind of thing that puts deliciously round "O" faces on people in handcuffs being escorted from their houses. I'm sure you're interested in more, but that's what the news is for.
PLEX just owns and it's a great tool against this problem :) |
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Ai Shun
421
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Posted - 2012.03.27 03:38:00 -
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CCP Sreegs wrote:No other MMO is naming and shamimg. I just want to point that out and if I'm wrong I'm happy to stand corrected.
Ai Shun wrote:[It does not matter to me if this is the first time they have been caught or not; the anti-botting stance is fundamentally entrenched in almost every single MMO out there. They cannot claim ignorance and I don't care if they repent or not - they actively chose to break that contract with CCP and the other players of EVE Online.
I wasn't saying they were. I was saying that a botter cannot claim they thought it was okay to bot - unless they have never played a MMO or read anything about MMO gaming in their entire lives. |
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Benilopax
The Ashen Lion Syndicate
240
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Posted - 2012.03.27 03:39:00 -
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CCP Sreegs wrote:Benilopax wrote:As CCP were saying at fanfest, as people are saying about Mitts.
It's all about consequences.
You do something bad there are consequences, as long as it's made clear to people beforehand I say do it. This is actually my biggest problem with the thing. We'd be putting ourselves in the position of making a solid statement that would incur player consequences and I prefer to stay out of the sandbox if that makes sense.
Botters are breaking the sandbox. |
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CCP Sreegs
C C P C C P Alliance
468
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Posted - 2012.03.27 03:41:00 -
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Nemo deBlanc wrote:Gilbaron wrote:CCP Sreegs wrote:Gilbaron wrote:name and shame wont help the problem
bots will move away from corporations and stay in npc corps
players behind the bots will get better at hiding their true identity, bot isk, sell for money, buy plex with money, sell plex for isk, really difficult for CCP to find their true identity if stuff like TOR and Virtual Machines is used to hide the true ID and details of the computer
an anonymous list (3 market bots in jita, 40 ratting bots in XXX, 50 mining bots in YYY were banned today, they lost a total of ZZZ isk and assets worth XXX isk since they were aquired via botting) of those in their first and second strike and a a public list of those characters permabanned might be a good idea to state clearly that CCP is actively fighting bots While I love the mythology that people have that they can remain anonymous on the internet it's a falsehood over time. The idea that, especially given EVE and all of the numbers involved, we can actually focus on this and any other *example here norms* apply is pretty silly. The margins on one hand are completely different and we allow PLEX. We've shown at least three times in the early days that we can focus and completely shut down a bot developer because the margins frankly aren't there. If you think this is some world where someone doing a bad activity we care about can just magically vanish those dog days are pretty much over. so you say that you can still identify me if im using TOR via 3g on my laptop for my bot and my normal Cable internet on my desktop for normal gaming, running two accounts who never ever have touched each other ingame and dont have anything in common on the account management site ? thats pretty interesting and i would like to hear more concerning PLEX i think i have to agree with you, they are likely the single most powerfull weapon against professional RMTers but will do nothing about the guys who are simply to lazy to go and farm their ships via hard work like everybody else CCP uses hardware fingerprints as well as IP's. But it's still quite the fallacy on their part to try and pretend like people don't fake that as well. They've said bans are also on actual people, not just an account. But even if so, nothing stops Russians who bot EVE for a living from just using their grandmother for billing.
Firstly the statements about what we do or don't use to identify things aren't quite what people think. Secondly it'd be pretty cool if we could stop labeling ethnic groups.
The hyberbole regarding how to be anonymous on the internet has replaced the Internet Lawyer in the near future where the Internet Lawyer has ceased to exist. (this future will never happen) |
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Miss President
SOLARIS ASTERIUS
29
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Posted - 2012.03.27 03:42:00 -
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All you need to do is put a large tag on their avatar such as:
FAIL POO BOT
Make them temporary:
First time for a week Second time for two weeks
Allow players to right click such players and request for 4 hour kill rights with 5 minute warning
This will sure teach Botters a lesson, not to log in too much.
Oh, and another one, move botters automatically into a low sec system, and don't allow any access to empire for the duration of the tag. |
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CCP Sreegs
C C P C C P Alliance
468
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Posted - 2012.03.27 03:43:00 -
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Nemo deBlanc wrote:Razin wrote:Besides the fact that such a thing would be somewhat immersion breaking, I really couldn't care less about knowing if someone had been caught botting. All I want is Delayed Local so that the players have a chance to self-police in 0.0 at the very least. Why isn't this getting done?? This. But make it no local. There's absolutely no easier fix for CCP to address botting than simply not sending clients info on players in a system until the player is detected by scanning/entering grid. Unless I'm missing something, it's the blatantly obvious fix here, and it disappointing me that CCP won't actually make it happen. Sure, nullbears will cry. Who cares?
I'm pretty sure "protecting botters" isn't even on the list of reasons for local to exist. This is really a question better answered by someone in game design but I'll see if I can find an answer. |
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Vincent Athena
V.I.C.E. Comic Mischief
561
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Posted - 2012.03.27 03:44:00 -
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CCP Sreegs wrote:AkJon Ferguson wrote:The primary advantage of the scarlet letter would undoubtedly be as a deterrent and I support the concept for that reason.
Maybe the scarlet letter could be removed after say 1 year of good behavior? But I could argue that there are plenty of other deterrents in place. This one has the additional negative of also providing a disincentive for turning into a Good Guy, which is something we've been trying to prevent. CCP Sreegs, there are actually very few deterrents in place, at least for a first time botter. Consider a player picking up the game a couple of months from now. What deterrents will that player see? This thread? Buried, dozens of pages down. Your blogs or Fanfest presentation? He might not even know there are blogs or a Fanfest. The EULA? Its there, but I bet most do not read it. So if he is so inclined, he may start botting thinking CCP does not care. Sure, you can catch him, but better is if he was deterred from even trying it, not even once.
That said, I do not think a scarlet letter is needed for this (It would be better for deterring repeat offenders). Just do a weekly report of the number of first, second and third bans and isk removed. Have it posted in the news seen when you log in.
Continuous and persistent deterrence to first time botting. http://vincentoneve.wordpress.com/ |
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Alpheias wrote:CCP Sreegs wrote:Alpheias wrote:CCP Sreegs wrote:Pampers Toralen wrote:This the distraction from the mittens thread? Any word from ccp about the issue There's plenty of other threads to post in about this. Leave mine alone. Fine, here is something for you. What about the authentication dongles you gave out at fanfest 2011, or if it was 2010? A tentative date and explanation were given on Friday. We're looking at a release sometime in July and you can get the explanation for the delay from the stream as there's a lot of words involved. It'll be posted this week I imagine. Ah. I missed that. But you got any information on authenticators being available to those that didn't go to fanfest or is that something that will be revealed in the devblog?
Assume the same timeframe with more information to follow. I'm not in the distribution department. |
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Largo Usagi wrote:CCP Sreegs wrote:Ai Shun wrote:CCP Sreegs wrote:What would you, the player, stand to benefit from being able to identify which characters had ever been caught botting, whether or not they were still engaging in this activity? It would allow me to block those players, ignore contracts from them and generally ensure I don't need to interact with people that try to ruin EVE for the rest of us that play the game legitimately. This is not the same as scamming, can-flipping or similar but a deliberate breach of the EULA. I'd rather not play with those kinds of ass-hats and if I can prevent myself from actively interacting with them or supporting them through such interaction that would be great. It does not matter to me if this is the first time they have been caught or not; the anti-botting stance is fundamentally entrenched in almost every single MMO out there. They cannot claim ignorance and I don't care if they repent or not - they actively chose to break that contract with CCP and the other players of EVE Online. No other MMO is naming and shamimg. I just want to point that out and if I'm wrong I'm happy to stand corrected. If no other MMO is naming and shaming, Trend Set to me just naming and shaming them seems like a minimal change on your behalf and its more ammunition against the problem.
I do not in any way disagree with trend setting. Based on the statement that was made I just wanted to be clear. |
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I'm going to bed now guys I'll be back in a few hours. NN! |
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If there was a 'Scarlet Letter' in EVE, I'd do my best to get one.
I'd wear it as a badge of honoure.
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A public shaming won't solve anything, and will just make sure that botters quit the game completely after they get caught because nobody wants to be around a player who does that kind of stuff. Botters are bad people and all, but give them a chance to come back as normal players after CCP punishes them. |
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