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CCP Mitnal
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Posted - 2008.09.11 18:52:00 -
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This is a reminder that any discussion within threads about the relative prices of timecodes is forbidden.
The bazaar forums are not for discussion, threads should be limited to establishing a price and if online for sellers and a bid or request to contact by buyers.
The Community Team is well aware of the current debate on timecode sales and we would request that you confine this to one thread, preferably in the Market Discussions sub forum.
Any discussion about price or any post that deviates from the guidelines posted in the stickies will be acted upon. Do not get drawn into arguments, if you see a problem thread, post or user, please report it to the Community Team using the "Report" link above every post.
Mitnal Community Representative CCP Games, EVE Online Email / Netfang |
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Pit Sager
Sebiestor tribe
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Posted - 2008.09.12 20:07:00 -
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can i have another ban for free, chief Mentol? this account it's fine atm so it's only a matter of time before... you know... :]
Thanks!
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Lorgoth
Children of Gjallarhorn
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Posted - 2008.09.15 04:21:00 -
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Edited by: Lorgoth on 15/09/2008 04:25:14 go to hell, cheaters
...oh, and bring 90s and 30s back!
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Johnster
Caldari Resistance is Futile United Freemen Alliance
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Posted - 2008.09.16 08:46:00 -
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60 day timecodes are going to be the end of eve for many.
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silver babe
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Posted - 2008.09.16 12:48:00 -
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Originally by: Johnster 60 day timecodes are going to be the end of eve for many.
word. welcome to Ch1na-Online
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schmarty pants
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Posted - 2008.09.16 13:46:00 -
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Edited by: schmarty pants on 16/09/2008 13:48:12 Well it was a good run.
Nearly 3 years and 4 accounts using GameTime Codes. Unless I macro mine or something there is no way I can afford to play even one account and I'm certainly not a ****** who pays to play so others can take what is mine.
You dug your own graves with this one Mitnal.
EDIT* Cmon, 'ret.ard' is a forbidden word in the forums? you have character names in eve with fu.ck cu.nt and c.ock? I love to hate this game!!!
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SolarNight
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Posted - 2008.09.17 05:41:00 -
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Edited by: SolarNight on 17/09/2008 05:41:07 CCP Mitnal where can i post proposal to eve development team? Anyways. here we are.
Why dont use eve-market's like form to sell and buy timecodes?
I push button "i need to buy TC". 1. Set price (1mil step) 2. Set char name that need TC.(info is hidden) 3. ISK's removed from that char until it resolves or i cancel buy order. Same for TC sellers. They set price. TC deactivaes until someone buy it or seller cancel sell order.
Everyone see best buy price and sell price. Thats safe and fast. Ez i think. And no emo posts on forum, everyone happy.
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Speculant's Broker
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Posted - 2008.09.17 18:41:00 -
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Problem is with number of GTC's. If there is only 1 type - 60day, there is no balance in the market. There are macro-miners who are willing to buy for 500-600kk and there are sellers that are more then happy to WAIT and sell to that kind of guy. If there were 30day code it would drag price's down, because it is highly unlikely to see some kind of GTC sellers cartel.
After all, without players there will be no money going to CCP. And I doubt that people are willing to play the game only to earn money only to pay for GTC = that is sick and we are no slaves = So wake up CCP and do something about that or You will lose players, slowly but for ever.
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Disco Charles
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Posted - 2008.09.17 19:34:00 -
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the ****ing dollar is up now too, gives us a break already
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Juliette Leblanc
Gallente Federal Navy Academy
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Posted - 2008.09.17 21:01:00 -
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Edited by: Juliette Leblanc on 17/09/2008 21:01:15
Originally by: Disco Charles the ****ing dollar is up now too, gives us a break already
You are getting it wrong. Since the dollar is going up, GTCs are getting more expensive for anyone but those living in the USA. This is a reason to rise the GTC cost in ISKs, not to lower it.
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Damned Force
Minmatar Republic Military School
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Posted - 2008.09.18 11:52:00 -
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Originally by: Speculant's Broker Problem is with number of GTC's. If there is only 1 type - 60day, there is no balance in the market. There are macro-miners who are willing to buy for 500-600kk and there are sellers that are more then happy to WAIT and sell to that kind of guy. If there were 30day code it would drag price's down, because it is highly unlikely to see some kind of GTC sellers cartel.
After all, without players there will be no money going to CCP. And I doubt that people are willing to play the game only to earn money only to pay for GTC = that is sick and we are no slaves = So wake up CCP and do something about that or You will lose players, slowly but for ever.
Agree. I bought 2 GTC's for ISK a month ago. I wait till is done and than im quite. I dont need to WORK in the game to be able WORK in the game.
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Slice Desh
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Posted - 2008.09.18 22:08:00 -
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If you want to join the discussion about GTC prices go here.
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Confuzer
Polaris Project Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2008.09.22 11:33:00 -
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It's no problem that people quit because they are not willing to pay that ridiculous low ammount of 12 euro's a month. If you quit, the GTC supply/demand ballance will lower the prices eventually too.
And I am quite happy to pay 500 mil for 2 month's playtime. One account makes more profit than that in a week. ----------------- Destiny is not a matter of chance. It is a matter of choice. It's not a thing to be waited for - it is a thing to be achieved. |
The Spell
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Posted - 2008.09.23 16:50:00 -
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Originally by: Confuzer It's no problem that people quit because they are not willing to pay that ridiculous low ammount of 12 euro's a month. If you quit, the GTC supply/demand ballance will lower the prices eventually too.
And I am quite happy to pay 500 mil for 2 month's playtime. One account makes more profit than that in a week.
Dont be a troll pls !
Not every player has the possibility to make 500 or 600m a week ... and i dont want to makro my way into eve !!
So i have no idea, why CCP changed the way with 30 and 90 day codes. For me .. all was fine ! |
DeODokktor
Dark Templars The Fonz Presidium
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Posted - 2008.09.23 23:43:00 -
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Originally by: The Spell
So i have no idea, why CCP changed the way with 30 and 90 day codes. For me .. all was fine !
Because the American market has been on a downward slope for years and "European" cutomers were giving like 40% less to ccp because of the difference. Instead of changing the cost of 30/90d codes they decided to sneak a new code out and bump the price a bit (no one will spot that will they)....
I dont think CCP publishes any data showing profits or investments made, but WoW has just done it, and in SUBSCRIPTIONS alone it shows that 2 months of subs have paid for the running cost since day 1 (wowzah).. I dont know how far CCP is behind blizzard, but here's guessing that it's not too far off for the difference to be laughable.
There may well be upsides to the removal of the old codes that we dont know about, I dont see 90d codes really helping macrominers. Where are the 180d and 360d codes of old (shorely someone paying 1 year up front even at time code rates has to be better than someone turning the account off 5 times a year!)..
Anyhow, they did it for the money as any buisness would do. Time will tell if greed hurts the company.
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THEDWARVEN
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Posted - 2008.09.24 00:20:00 -
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Edited by: THEDWARVEN on 24/09/2008 00:19:57 30 days ago i bought a 60day GTC for 380mil. now they cost 500mil. how on earth does ccp justify hiking up prices that high... i mean to make it sorth the while to buy a 60day gtc i'd have to make at least 1bil a month which i dont. ow many players in eve do?
i think its a stupid move on ccp's part and they will see their subscriber numbers dwindling soon... they've also given the isk farmers more power over the game. wd.
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John Caldr
Red Assault Brigades United Legion
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Posted - 2008.09.24 08:52:00 -
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The main problem here is speculation and ... scam. I doubt that all the threads in the GTC topic are real. Its pretty simple to make an automated solution for buyers and sellers since it is only ONE item to get rid of the scam. Now some ppl just play on emotions to get rid of some part of EVE audience (and this part will NOT be the iskminers who will never stop playing), so if CCP do not want to suffer financial loses in near future and a great number of players who make EVE populated world ATM - they really should make a solution and few another steps to fix the situation fast.
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Slink Shady
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Posted - 2008.09.24 09:17:00 -
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Edited by: Slink Shady on 24/09/2008 09:17:55
Originally by: Speculant's Broker Problem is with number of GTC's. If there is only 1 type - 60day, there is no balance in the market. There are macro-miners who are willing to buy for 500-600kk and there are sellers that are more then happy to WAIT and sell to that kind of guy. If there were 30day code it would drag price's down, because it is highly unlikely to see some kind of GTC sellers cartel.
After all, without players there will be no money going to CCP. And I doubt that people are willing to play the game only to earn money only to pay for GTC = that is sick and we are no slaves = So wake up CCP and do something about that or You will lose players, slowly but for ever.
Exactly. Well done Eve, you've now priced many people out of the game. The brain box at CCP who decided to get rid of the option for 30 or 90 day codes needs to be sacked.
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Mass Extinction
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Posted - 2008.09.24 10:11:00 -
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CCP seem to forget that many people who play eve have no choice but to buy their codes with isk for many reasons:
1. they dont have a credit card 2. they dont know anyone with a credit card. 3. they cant buy time codes with cash.
Now there is only type of code, if you cant make the isk to pay for one before your account runs out, then Eve lose a player and the cash they wouldve got.
This move by CCP is one of the most stupid moves they have ever made.
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Slinkus Gallentus
Gallente Infinite Order
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Posted - 2008.09.24 10:27:00 -
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Get a clue CCP.
If CCP sold time codes for ISK as well there would be an upper ceiling to prices.
Now you have got rid of the choice, prices have inflated tremendously. ie. the price of playing this game has increased by more than 40%.
That's ridiculous and caused solely by CCP getting rid of the choice of codes.
Well done CCP. You clearly know how to price people out of the game.
Idiots.
cheers
"Life is not one big joke. Life is 40,000 little jokes all lined up" |
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Arasill
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Posted - 2008.09.24 13:26:00 -
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basicly removing 30-90days gtc and only choose making 60days was the worst idea ccp have.i mean i dont wanna keep my account open for 2months maybe having some more options and the balance of their prices was ok.they were balancing eachother.if they would giving more price to 30-90days gtc would be better then ridding of those two and one option.this is just useless crap.ccp well done you are about to lose your half of active accounts just because of this.
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Shady's Lady
Caldari
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Posted - 2008.09.24 14:23:00 -
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Actually if you do the maths the price hike is even bigger than 40%.
When you could get 90 days codes they went for around 390mil isk, or 130mil isk for 30 days.
60 days codes are going for around 540mil isk now which is 270mil isk for 30 days.
That's more than a 100% price increase.
CCP should really be ashamed of themselves for creating this siutation. I play this game for the enjoyment not so I have to work hard to put my time and effort in the pockets of the clearly greedy.
When my account expires I won't be playing anymore because the fun has been sucked out of the game by the greed of time code sellers.
Well done CCP. Great job. Not.
cheers
Just because you're paranoid doesn't mean they're not after you.
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Krollin
Minmatar Ki Shoda
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Posted - 2008.09.24 14:37:00 -
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I totally agree,
Macro/mission farmers can easily afford the price in GTC and thus causes an upward trend on the market.
Greed takes over and the prices start to rise even further.
EVE is a good game, but it will never be a great game because of issues like this!
Kro
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Stannis Breaker
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Posted - 2008.09.24 14:42:00 -
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I am all for a free market etc etc, but in the last few weeks the prices have gone up alot.
I bought a 60 day for 380mill not less than a month ago and looking at the bazaar now they range from 400 to 600mill - This isnt helped by people (isk traders and alike) simply asking for GTC at stupid prices just because they can run EVE 23/7 and earn vastly more than a traditional player.
Sadly I cannot see CCP changing anything, as the paying customer (well kinda) you would imagine we have come leverage - strangely enough we do not!
lifes a biatch, then you play EVE
Stan
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Udriits
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Posted - 2008.09.24 15:11:00 -
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Well, if you are buying GTC you are not a paying customer - those who sell GTC's are paying customers that earn money for CCP.
Also, GTC price doesn't mean that the game is more expensive - the money cost is the same; but it means that ISK is cheaper, as 1 dollar or 1 eur can now buy more ISK than before. Which, actually, does make the deal more attractive to the paying customers, as they are getting more shiny and e-peen building T2 ships for every $$$ they pay.
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Slinkus Gallentus
Gallente Infinite Order
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Posted - 2008.09.24 15:13:00 -
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Edited by: Slinkus Gallentus on 24/09/2008 15:14:25 Whether you pay in ISK or cash, a time code has been sold by CCP, so it's still buying in the proper sense of the word.
It just occurred to me that we can ruin this market quite easily. Given enough players, you accept an invitation to buy a code, but dont complete the deal. I believe the deal can be there for 48 hours unless it is accepted or cancelled. This would put the greedy's time codes on hold for up to 48 hours.
At the end of the 48 hours they get no sale. This would take a co-ordinated effort, but in principle it would work. Sellers would be left with the time code that they have already paid for and it would soon become a burden for them to try and off-load.
I might even start a website with this in mind if I get enough support.
cheers
"Life is not one big joke. Life is 40,000 little jokes all lined up" |
Arasill
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Posted - 2008.09.24 16:37:00 -
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let ccp think a min.
there is lots of player buying gtc coz there is some reasons for this reason.when they start leaving this game active account numbers will go down.this means less laggy server yes but less money you earn.and after this other players who paying with real money will getting bored coz target amount will go down and they also will start leaving game then only isk farmers and other empire people will left at game.
i think like this ccp.dunno what you think
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21 Salvager
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Posted - 2008.09.24 17:14:00 -
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Reply to GTC prices and amount sold: Needs analysis by Dr. EyjoG if you want some real analysis.
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Belmarduk
Amarr M.A.R.S. Enterprises Majesta Empire
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Posted - 2008.09.24 18:21:00 -
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Originally by: Udriits Well, if you are buying GTC you are not a paying customer - those who sell GTC's are paying customers that earn money for CCP.
Also, GTC price doesn't mean that the game is more expensive - the money cost is the same; but it means that ISK is cheaper, as 1 dollar or 1 eur can now buy more ISK than before. Which, actually, does make the deal more attractive to the paying customers, as they are getting more shiny and e-peen building T2 ships for every $$$ they pay.
Wrong - GTC buyers pay via the gtc sellers. I wonder how many alt-accounts are going to close in the next 6 months....
My main account is still paid till end of 2009 - my alt account is closing spring 2009. I have time - lets see if the gtc-sellers can keep the prices up that long..... Mainchar:
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Belmarduk
Amarr M.A.R.S. Enterprises Majesta Empire
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Posted - 2008.09.24 18:23:00 -
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Originally by: SolarNight Edited by: SolarNight on 17/09/2008 05:41:07 CCP Mitnal where can i post proposal to eve development team? Anyways. here we are.
Why dont use eve-market's like form to sell and buy timecodes?
I push button "i need to buy TC". 1. Set price (1mil step) 2. Set char name that need TC.(info is hidden) 3. ISK's removed from that char until it resolves or i cancel buy order. Same for TC sellers. They set price. TC deactivaes until someone buy it or seller cancel sell order.
Everyone see best buy price and sell price. Thats safe and fast. Ez i think. And no emo posts on forum, everyone happy.
I support this ! Mainchar:
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