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Rells
Caldari Agony Unleashed Agony Empire
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Posted - 2008.09.12 17:50:00 -
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With two successive hurricanes hitting the USA gulf states, there are a lot of people that are hard pressed these days. AGONY itself has 2 members that are living more or less in the path of these monster storms.
As human beings I feel it is our obligation to help others so I am asking Eve Citizens to take a moment of their time and help out their fellow man. There are many things oyu can do to help. Donations to the American Red Cross even in small amounts of 25$ will add up quickly. You can also go and donate blood at your local hospital. For those that have the ability you can help create care packages for those displaced by the hurricane. Again you can call the American Red Cross to learn about how you can help.
We are all astonishingly lucky that we have the means to play a game like Eve and we all have a responsibility to share some of our good fortune with others.
I wish all those in the gulf the best of luck.
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Sheriff Jones
Amarr Clinical Experiment
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Posted - 2008.09.12 17:55:00 -
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I do agree that help is needed, if not asked for, but throwing words in like responsibility and obligation, does not help the cause.
Ask for help, sure, but don't force people by pointing towards their human nature.
Just a small suggestion there
Best of wishes to all effected, if future holds light, you'll push through.
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Rells
Caldari Agony Unleashed Agony Empire
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Posted - 2008.09.12 17:59:00 -
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Originally by: Sheriff Jones I do agree that help is needed, if not asked for, but throwing words in like responsibility and obligation, does not help the cause.
I must respectfully disagree with you. I personally see it as a responsibility. But then perhaps that is just me.
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Leviathan9
Gallente Royal Hiigaran Navy
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Posted - 2008.09.12 18:01:00 -
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Originally by: Rells
Originally by: Sheriff Jones I do agree that help is needed, if not asked for, but throwing words in like responsibility and obligation, does not help the cause.
I must respectfully disagree with you. I personally see it as a responsibility. But then perhaps that is just me.
Not really, you can't force people to help others, its not a responsibility to help someone else. Human's are selfish, we fend for ourselves. All you can do is ask for help and hope people are kind enough to donate, which alot of people are. I have to agree with SJ. ----------------------------
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Sorolia
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Posted - 2008.09.12 18:02:00 -
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SOME human beings are not selfish.
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Leviathan9
Gallente Royal Hiigaran Navy
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Posted - 2008.09.12 18:04:00 -
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Yes thats why i said alot of people are kind enough to help. (Hence not selfish) ----------------------------
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Reptzo
Channel 4 News Team
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Posted - 2008.09.12 18:06:00 -
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I must agree with both sheriff and leviathon. People will often consider helping when asked. But, the moment you tell them they have to, or are supposed to, or some other way of saying they better, people close up and become defensive. I know personally, the moment you tell me i have to help this person, I don't want to, because it is no longer a choice.
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Doppleganger
Minmatar Libera Mentem Tuam
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Posted - 2008.09.12 18:10:00 -
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The town I live in we are already helping them out by giving them shelter from the storm and supplies. If you wish to help out as well send me your address so I can send some of our overflow your way. We still have people living here from Katrina.
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Slikavo
Wombat inc.
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Posted - 2008.09.12 18:10:00 -
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Rells- Thanks for trying to get people to pull together. I live in Louisiana, and we're still without power (generator and blackberry tether FTW!).
The Red Cross has had a major presence in the area, and they've been helping out alot of people. Any donations to them, I can vouch to going to the actual people.
Unlike Katrina, people are handling themselves like decent people through Gustav and Ike, meaning the media forgets anything happened in a day or two.
Tossing a few dollars to the Red Cross will help someone get a hot meal one evening, and it can mean the world when you're an hourly employee who missed a week of work due to your business being out of power.
Good luck to you guys in Texas.
Now recruiting
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Drunk Driver
Gallente
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Posted - 2008.09.12 18:11:00 -
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I feel sorry for the Hurricane.
Anything that hits Texas is just looking for trouble.
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MuffinsRevenger
EmpiresMod
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Posted - 2008.09.12 18:47:00 -
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Lots of other places in the world that is way worse every day of the year, might as well try to do somthing in those areas first... |
Faife
Minmatar Kinda'Shujaa
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Posted - 2008.09.12 18:50:00 -
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Originally by: Drunk Driver I feel sorry for the Hurricane.
Anything that hits Texas is just looking for trouble.
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Winterblink
Body Count Inc.
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Posted - 2008.09.12 18:55:00 -
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I can appreciate the sentiment, and truly those involved down south are in for a hell of a rough time with this one.
But, where was the Rells "please donate" post for the Georgian Conflict fund, or the Myanmar Cyclone Relief fund?
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Jacob Mei
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Posted - 2008.09.12 19:14:00 -
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Originally by: Rells
Originally by: Sheriff Jones I do agree that help is needed, if not asked for, but throwing words in like responsibility and obligation, does not help the cause.
I must respectfully disagree with you. I personally see it as a responsibility. But then perhaps that is just me.
Implying that sacrifice is an obligation detracts from its meaning and the act itself loses value and can come to the point that such things are looked upon with anger and hatred simply because a majority of humans do not like to be told what to do when that action means to give something up without reinbursement. There is a big diffrence between giving 25 USD because you feel is is the right thing to do and giving 25 USD because you are told it is the right thing to do. -------------------------------- To borrow a phrase:
Players who post are like stars, there are bright ones and those who are dim.
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MotherMoon
Huang Yinglong
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Posted - 2008.09.12 20:05:00 -
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Edited by: MotherMoon on 12/09/2008 20:07:01
Originally by: Rells
Originally by: Sheriff Jones I do agree that help is needed, if not asked for, but throwing words in like responsibility and obligation, does not help the cause.
I must respectfully disagree with you. I personally see it as a responsibility. But then perhaps that is just me.
ah then say you feel it's your responsibility. I personally went down and helped after katrina, however I would never donate money because of the the 3 billion $ that dissaperaed like magic during the whole ordeal. Our government either is stealing (not as likely) or they don't know how to spend money and waste over 30% whenever they get some for desisater relief.
honestly it urks me that katrina cost more than rebuilding after world war 2... I mean... wth I was there I cleans out houses, marked out how many dead pets where in a house, it's really scary stuff, but I know it wasn't as bad as rebuilding whole countries after a war it was a like a taste of how horible it must of been.
So if something really bad happens again I'll be down there cleaning up streets and carrying water. But I won't donante money sorry :/ I'm way to paranoid unless I see a list oh what they spent it on.
IS there a more direct route I can donate money? If you can find me the name and number of a local place giving support I'll gladly donate some money.
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Romulus Lucati
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Posted - 2008.09.12 20:15:00 -
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Wow! A lot of judgement being passed on someone just for asking for help. Maybe instead of mincing words or trying to compare one disaster to another, you guys could just choose to donate or not to donate. No one's passing judgement or condemnation on any of you for choosing not to donate, or for not donating to the Red Cross.
Or is being respectful of beliefs not something EVE players can do. Ah well, I shall smile at and then ignore the flaming that will continue on this thread until it's locked or ignored.
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Kephael
Caldari LEAP Corp Ursa Stellar Initiative
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Posted - 2008.09.12 20:30:00 -
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These Hurricanes were pretty much nothing, I've been through some nasty ones too... I really dislike the Red Cross, in the end they just seem to hand out freebies to illegals.
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Arvald
Caldari Ninjas N Pirates
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Posted - 2008.09.12 20:38:00 -
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Originally by: Sorolia SOME human beings are not selfish.
and some sharks are vegan.....
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Alessandra Tourraine
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Posted - 2008.09.12 20:47:00 -
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Doesn't this belong in the Out of Pod Discussion? |
Arvald
Caldari Ninjas N Pirates
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Posted - 2008.09.12 20:47:00 -
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Originally by: Alessandra Tourraine Doesn't this belong in the Out of Pod Discussion?
or does it 0_o.......yeah it probably does
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Straight Chillen
Gallente Solar Wind
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Posted - 2008.09.12 20:49:00 -
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lets wait untill after the storm... Cuz last time i check houston wasnt under sea level like New Orleans _
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Furb Killer
Gallente The first genesis Veritas Immortalis
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Posted - 2008.09.12 20:50:00 -
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Originally by: Romulus Lucati Wow! A lot of judgement being passed on someone just for asking for help.
It is more like he is telling we have to donate...
I can make a nice list of reasons why i shouldnt donate.
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Beltantis Torrence
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Posted - 2008.09.12 20:57:00 -
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As heartless as it sounds I have very little sympathy for people who haven't been diagnosed with a mental illness who stay in areas after they've been told, blatantly, to evacuate. I also find some irony is claiming others are 'selfish' for not aiding people who live in areas that are annually ravaged by storms...
Granted, that's not the case in the entirety but a lot of those places its just the nature of they area they choose to (selfishly) inhabit.
Either way my taxes are flipping the bill to rebuild these peoples over-leveraged, subsidized beach houses while I live in an apartment...so I think that's pretty generous of me as it is.
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Kye Do'lan
Gallente The Whitesands Consortium
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Posted - 2008.09.12 21:03:00 -
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Originally by: MuffinsRevenger Lots of other places in the world that is way worse every day of the year, might as well try to do somthing in those areas first...
So...how about us poor bastards in the UK....we haven't seen the sun in 3 months
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Leviathan9
Gallente Royal Hiigaran Navy
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Posted - 2008.09.12 22:29:00 -
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Originally by: Kye Do'lan Edited by: Kye Do''lan on 12/09/2008 21:11:07
Originally by: MuffinsRevenger Lots of other places in the world that is way worse every day of the year, might as well try to do somthing in those areas first...
So...how about us poor bastards in the UK....we haven't seen the sun in 3 months. At least you get a summer of sun followed by a few months of storms.
Don't forget the credit crunch... ----------------------------
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A Ma
Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2008.09.12 22:41:00 -
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The personal tragedy to anyone living in the affected areas is a real cause for concern: personally, nationally and internationally. My heart goes out to the people that are suffering due to the hurricane.
BUT
When the USA gets rid of Bush and his "republican/Texan" attitude about "jobs and the economy are more important than global warming" and then you might find some international and global sympathy (Kyoto Protocol any one ? "Bush also opposes the treaty because of the strain he believes the treaty would put on the economy").
As I see it, the world was seriously warned about CO2 emissions about a decade ago. - At least I have an opinion .... |
Kephael
Caldari LEAP Corp Ursa Stellar Initiative
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Posted - 2008.09.12 23:06:00 -
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Edited by: Kephael on 12/09/2008 23:08:33 Edited by: Kephael on 12/09/2008 23:07:05 Once again, you guys are drinking the media's koolaid, these cat 2 hurricanes are nothing more than glorified thunderstorms, cat 3+ are the nasty ones. There have been hurricanes for a millennia, it's not global warming. Kyoto protocol is a joke, unless developing nations like China and India follow it, it simply stifles the economy for no reason. Also, obligatory lol @ the above post about Republicans not understanding how the economy functions and how mommy government needs to give everyone a job, besides, Democrats have controlled congress for a bit more than two years now.
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Locke DieDrake
Human Information Virus
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Posted - 2008.09.12 23:25:00 -
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Originally by: Rells
Originally by: Sheriff Jones I do agree that help is needed, if not asked for, but throwing words in like responsibility and obligation, does not help the cause.
I must respectfully disagree with you. I personally see it as a responsibility. But then perhaps that is just me.
You see it as a responsibility to help these people, I can respect that.
I see it as their responsibility to not live in a hurricane zone. I hope you can respect that. ______________________________________________ Goon FC(08/12/06):"its a trap" "that thing is fully operational" |
Crumplecorn
Gallente Eve Cluster Explorations
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Posted - 2008.09.12 23:29:00 -
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There are a hell of a lot more people in a hell of a lot more trouble out there on a daily basis.
To even approach a moral 'balance' with those less well off we would have to give up everything we have which we don't absolutely need, and so mere presence on an Internet Spaceships forum indicates a refusal to accept this 'responsibility'.
I've come to terms with the fact that lives might be saved if the money I spend on EVE every month went to a charity instead, so any line appealing to moral obligations won't go too far with me.
No harm in highlighting such things of course, and it's good to 'give what you can' (an epic feat of rationalization, that concept), but don't bother talking about responsibility. -
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Trathen
Minmatar Brutor tribe
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Posted - 2008.09.12 23:36:00 -
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If appealing to your sense of civic duty offends you, then it wasn't meant for you, man. _ |
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