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ShardowRhino
Caldari Legion 0f The Damned
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Posted - 2008.09.18 05:04:00 -
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Linkage Heres the link to another fresh article on eve-mag.com by the Rhino In it i cover several aspects of the GTC trade that are contributing to the skyrocketing prices we have been seeing in the TimeCode Bazaar. I'm sure some will agree, others will disagree with what is said. The point is to get more people taking a look and consider how things should be as opposed to how they are now.
As always, comments,suggestions are always welcome. Arguments are absolutely no problem as long as you take the time to actually explain yourself. Feel free to leave a comment on the site itself for others to read and consider long after this thread has been moved to page 10.
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ShardowRhino
Caldari Legion 0f The Damned
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Posted - 2008.09.18 05:04:00 -
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Linkage Heres the link to another fresh article on eve-mag.com by the Rhino In it i cover several aspects of the GTC trade that are contributing to the skyrocketing prices we have been seeing in the TimeCode Bazaar. I'm sure some will agree, others will disagree with what is said. The point is to get more people taking a look and consider how things should be as opposed to how they are now.
As always, comments,suggestions are always welcome. Arguments are absolutely no problem as long as you take the time to actually explain yourself. Feel free to leave a comment on the site itself for others to read and consider long after this thread has been moved to page 10.
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ShardowRhino
Caldari Legion 0f The Damned
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Posted - 2008.09.18 06:31:00 -
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*reserved* (also its a bish to wait for the first response after putting up a new peice
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Lucas Avignon
Avignon Associates Inc.
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Posted - 2008.09.18 06:38:00 -
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Edited by: Lucas Avignon on 18/09/2008 06:38:52 Seriously, next time could you please use more words when you're whining about gtc's
on a side note if you think that the real world economy does not affect gtc's which are bought with rl money, then your living in a fairy land.
Originally by: CCP Prism X Yeah, and while we're at it we can create a controlled environment around account hacking and credit card fraud and all the other EULA breaches..
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ShardowRhino
Caldari Legion 0f The Damned
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Posted - 2008.09.18 06:42:00 -
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Originally by: Lucas Avignon Edited by: Lucas Avignon on 18/09/2008 06:38:52 Seriously, next time could you please use more words when you're whining about gtc's
on a side note if you think that the real world economy does not affect gtc's which are bought with rl money, then your living in a fairy land.
by all means attempt to explain how the price of a barrel of oil has an effect on the price of..say a capital ship or t2 heavy launcher.
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Bagger Vance
Pernicious Creed Vendetta Alliance.
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Posted - 2008.09.18 06:49:00 -
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Gas price drops people have more monney to use on gtc.. gtc supply rise and price drops on gtc.
people dont get as much monney for their gtc and have less to spare on ships and modules, demand drops on modules and supply level stays the same.
High supply and low demand turns into cheaper modules
in other words cheap rl oil turns into cheap modules and ships __________________________________________
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A Spy
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Posted - 2008.09.18 06:56:00 -
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Let's be honest. Those who play with buying GTCs are parasites. In fact they don't pay for the game, instead they use the game resources more than others (since they need to grind the isk for the gtc): they cause more lag, they are logged longer etc.
It's rediculous if that parasites now start a riot on the forums when they have to pay more. It does not matter if it have something to do with rl economy or not, there are 2 factors for the GTC price: supply and demand. Supply: maybe there are less people willing to throw their precious rl $ for a game. Less supply = prices go up. Demand: maybe there are more people from poor countries that are looking for GTCs, or more people having a 2nd or 3rd account that they are not willing to pay for. Demand rises, prices go up.
Where is the limit ? There is none, a 60 day GTC could be worth 1 billion aswell. And the parasites should be still thankful that they can pay a game for free and stop making pathetic complaints about the GTC price.
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ShardowRhino
Caldari Legion 0f The Damned
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Posted - 2008.09.18 07:01:00 -
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Originally by: Bagger Vance Gas price drops people have more monney to use on gtc.. gtc supply rise and price drops on gtc.
people dont get as much monney for their gtc and have less to spare on ships and modules, demand drops on modules and supply level stays the same.
High supply and low demand turns into cheaper modules
in other words cheap rl oil turns into cheap modules and ships
Not exactly. It seems that some people are imagining a direct correlation between the price of RL oil and the price of a GTC and ships/mods in eve.
In fact when oil was at its highest the price of t2 mods were at best stable and at worst losing value. The price drops in t2 mods and such have absolutely nothing to do with out of game economics. IF they did then we would have seen the price of t2 mods increase as oppose to dip.
The isk going rate for a 60day gtc topped out at 400mil, during the high point of oil prices. The fact that oil prices have dropped to their old high point and slight decrease in gasoline would have created a drop in GTC prices, assuming your thought is correct. However we have seen an increase in GTC to isk prices as the price of oil and subsequently gasoline prices dropping. Such contradicts your entire point.
The idea that oil prices,gas prices and all items that need to be shipped, decreases the isk paid for a gtc makes no sense. Top it with the fact that oil prices have dropped recently but GTC prices have jumped a good 50 to 100mil kills the entire idea of RL economics effecting in game Economics and the midpoint which is the GTC trade.
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Malcanis
RuffRyders Axiom Empire
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Posted - 2008.09.18 07:01:00 -
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The only thing CCP can or should do to affect GTC prices is crack down on isk farmers
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bwheeler
DEFI4NT
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Posted - 2008.09.18 07:01:00 -
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first of, the Text is way to long.
As said above its ridculuse to say that reallife economics have no effect on the prices of GTCs. If you used to have $100 to spare each month, but now have $20 to spare because you pay more for gas... You can't spend as much on GTC to sell. This lowers supply. If you have $100 each months to spare and now $20, you might also look into diffrent ways to pay for a Game like EVE then paying $.. like ummm buying GTC, this raises Demand.
When the economy goes down GTC will be worth more ISK, if the economy is doing well then they will be worth less ISK. The economy is currently not doing so well..
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Christari Zuborov
Amarr Ore Mongers Black Hand.
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Posted - 2008.09.18 07:03:00 -
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Originally by: ShardowRhino
Originally by: Lucas Avignon Edited by: Lucas Avignon on 18/09/2008 06:38:52 Seriously, next time could you please use more words when you're whining about gtc's
on a side note if you think that the real world economy does not affect gtc's which are bought with rl money, then your living in a fairy land.
by all means attempt to explain how the price of a barrel of oil has an effect on the price of..say a capital ship or t2 heavy launcher.
The price of oil and gold rise as the dollar falls, these are commodities that are traded globally. It has nothing to do at all with in-game items, but it has everything to do with how much the dollar can purchase.
In short, your next whine should be directed to the US Government convincing them to put the US back onto the gold standard.
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Artemis Rose
Varion Galactic Accord Corporate Enterprise Syndicate
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Posted - 2008.09.18 07:03:00 -
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Originally by: A Spy Let's be honest. Those who play with buying GTCs are parasites. In fact they don't pay for the game, instead they use the game resources more than others (since they need to grind the isk for the gtc): they cause more lag, they are logged longer etc.
It's rediculous if that parasites now start a riot on the forums when they have to pay more. It does not matter if it have something to do with rl economy or not, there are 2 factors for the GTC price: supply and demand. Supply: maybe there are less people willing to throw their precious rl $ for a game. Less supply = prices go up. Demand: maybe there are more people from poor countries that are looking for GTCs, or more people having a 2nd or 3rd account that they are not willing to pay for. Demand rises, prices go up.
Where is the limit ? There is none, a 60 day GTC could be worth 1 billion aswell. And the parasites should be still thankful that they can pay a game for free and stop making pathetic complaints about the GTC price.
Post with your main!
at calling rich players parasites.
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bwheeler
DEFI4NT
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Posted - 2008.09.18 07:04:00 -
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I might add, while the prices of oil have a affect to a limited degree, its more that the whole real life economy has a effect. If you don't think the economy is doing bad right now please have a look at wal street and the prices of stocks this week.
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Yakia TovilToba
Halliburton Inc.
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Posted - 2008.09.18 07:07:00 -
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Originally by: ShardowRhino
The idea that oil prices,gas prices and all items that need to be shipped, decreases the isk paid for a gtc makes no sense.
Of course there is an effect, the question is if it's big enough to make a diffrence. The oil/gas price increase leads to less spare cash at the end of the month. If you have less cash, you will think twice before spending that cash for a virtual good in a computer game. And if you have some assets in game you might even think of buying the next month's gametime with your ingame assets instead. The connection isn't hard to see ?
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ShardowRhino
Caldari Legion 0f The Damned
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Posted - 2008.09.18 07:11:00 -
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Originally by: A Spy Let's be honest. Those who play with buying GTCs are parasites. In fact they don't pay for the game, instead they use the game resources more than others (since they need to grind the isk for the gtc): they cause more lag, they are logged longer etc.
It's rediculous if that parasites now start a riot on the forums when they have to pay more. It does not matter if it have something to do with rl economy or not, there are 2 factors for the GTC price: supply and demand. Supply: maybe there are less people willing to throw their precious rl $ for a game. Less supply = prices go up. Demand: maybe there are more people from poor countries that are looking for GTCs, or more people having a 2nd or 3rd account that they are not willing to pay for. Demand rises, prices go up.
Where is the limit ? There is none, a 60 day GTC could be worth 1 billion aswell. And the parasites should be still thankful that they can pay a game for free and stop making pathetic complaints about the GTC price.
absolutely ridiculous.
Parasite :par+a+site (pr-st) n. 1. Biology An organism that grows, feeds, and is sheltered on or in a different organism while contributing nothing to the survival of its host. 2. a. One who habitually takes advantage of the generosity of others without making any useful return. b. One who lives off and flatters the rich; a sycophant. 3. A professional dinner guest, especially in ancient Greece.
WELL we can cross of deffinition 3 simply because i have not seen a morsel of tasty food handed to me for buying a gtc.
1&2 are similar in the sense that they simply feed off of a host and gives nothing in turn but simply takes and takes. The last time I checked I as well as other GTC buyers have given isk in turn for the GTC. That isk is desired by the GTC seller and is used, therefore making our contribution "useful".
The idea that GTC buyers are parasites is a joke, hence your posting with an alt. Unfortunately people seem to have no balls on these forums by assuming the credit for their words. GTC buyers do log into the game,just like others they help "tax" the system but no more then other players. Not all GTC buyers are sitting in Jita or Rens or L4 hotspots. I would know as I have gathered the isk for GTCs in various locations and using various methods.
People paying for a gtc with isk are making a trade. They are trading their excess isk with those that for one reason or another do not have the same isk flow as others. If someone is to make such an ignorant statement that GTC buyers are parasites,whiners and should be lucky that the likes of the gutless alt using posters, then the same can be said for GTC sellers. Since CCP condones such transactions then CCP itself should be considered a parasite by accepting the RL money from one part or another. If such is true then you as well as everyone else is nothing more then a mindless host to stupid to realize that the parasite that "is" CCP is feeding off of you.
With that said, enjoy being a gutless,mindless host to a big obvious parasite.
Hopefully other posters will actually think about what they are saying prior to posting, unlike yourself. Show no respect, get no respect.
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ShardowRhino
Caldari Legion 0f The Damned
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Posted - 2008.09.18 07:17:00 -
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Originally by: Yakia TovilToba
Originally by: ShardowRhino
The idea that oil prices,gas prices and all items that need to be shipped, decreases the isk paid for a gtc makes no sense.
Of course there is an effect, the question is if it's big enough to make a diffrence. The oil/gas price increase leads to less spare cash at the end of the month. If you have less cash, you will think twice before spending that cash for a virtual good in a computer game. And if you have some assets in game you might even think of buying the next month's gametime with your ingame assets instead. The connection isn't hard to see ?
Of course people are paying for more for things they need. People are looking how they spend their money a lot harder then before. That I understand,however as i said in the post you quoted, people were asking for less isk when oil/gasoline was at its highest. Now that oil and gasoline has come down a bit people are asking for more isk. That negates a large portion of what you are saying, even though it is true people would reconsider buying gtcs to sale. There has to be something else at work instead of the price of oil,especially at this point in time.
If things were purely based off of RL economics then the current jump in GTCs would have happened months ago when people were being choked at the gaspump. Now that the noose has loosened we are seeing a jump in GTC prices which is backwards. The time for the increase was at the highpoint of gas prices,not when they are coming down. See what I mean? It doesn't make sense for it to have taken months to hit eve so that suggest there is something other then RL economics in effect.
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Lucas Avignon
Avignon Associates Inc.
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Posted - 2008.09.18 07:20:00 -
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Originally by: ShardowRhino
Originally by: Lucas Avignon Edited by: Lucas Avignon on 18/09/2008 06:38:52 Seriously, next time could you please use more words when you're whining about gtc's
on a side note if you think that the real world economy does not affect gtc's which are bought with rl money, then your living in a fairy land.
by all means attempt to explain how the price of a barrel of oil has an effect on the price of..say a capital ship or t2 heavy launcher.
I don't see how it's necessary to extrapolate how the price of a barrel of oil effects the price of cap ships, however the fact remains (you were whining about gtc prices and not the cost of t2 or cap ship prices ) that gtc prices are governed mainly by supply which in turn is governed by how much expendable income the players who sell them have.
Now if a small percentage of them have lost their jobs, it's more likely that they are trying to buy gtc's now instead of sell them, a lot more may not be able to work overtime now and have not received any pay increases while the price of gas, heating and electricity have gone up, thereby limiting their recreational expenditure budget which will also have an effect on the supply of gtc's.
There have been plenty of posts where people have said they canceled subs because they have less money or buy less gtc's to support their pvp habit. Also many more people have dropped accounts because they pay with isk and can't afford the current prices.
Now if we take the above as true, then it's incredibly stupid of CCP to take away the options of the 30 and 90 day gtc's and at the same time to increase the cost of gtc's in the current economic climate.
If you look at the server stats, it's safe to assume that over the last 6 months there has been no increase in subscriptions, this despite the fact that CCP's advertising and marketing department has been spending huge sums of money on both internet and tv advertising.
Which ****es me off endlessly as that money could have been spent on decreasing lag which would help with player retention. Atm the server is not able to handle the load when it goes above 35k online.
There are 3 contributing factors to increased gtc cost's.
1. CCP increased the cost of gtc's.
2. The physiologically cheaper 30 gtc's are gone.
3. Some people have less or no money for recreational expenditure.
Originally by: CCP Prism X Yeah, and while we're at it we can create a controlled environment around account hacking and credit card fraud and all the other EULA breaches..
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A Spy
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Posted - 2008.09.18 07:23:00 -
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Originally by: ShardowRhino
1. Biology An organism that grows, feeds, and is sheltered on or in a different organism while contributing nothing to the survival of its host. 2. a. One who habitually takes advantage of the generosity of others without making any useful return. b. One who lives off and flatters the rich; a sycophant.
1&2 are similar in the sense that they simply feed off of a host and gives nothing in turn but simply takes and takes. The last time I checked I as well as other GTC buyers have given isk in turn for the GTC. That isk is desired by the GTC seller and is used, therefore making our contribution "useful".
Ok check the underlined part, do you notice something ? They give the isk to other players, not the company. The "host" from the definition above is CCP.
GTC buyers don't pay a shit to CCP. Yet they take and take and take their product, camp their servers and resources, use the forums, create petitions, create cost. How do they pay the GTC ? By creating lag, by messing the economy with their grind, by camping the mission hubs and dumpening the mineral prices. Not even that they don't give a shit to the host, they even harm the game with their farmer playstyle. That's parasitism, and i really can't feel with that cadgers when the GTC price skyrockets.
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Algey
The Littlest Hobos
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Posted - 2008.09.18 07:32:00 -
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Originally by: A Spy
Originally by: ShardowRhino
1. Biology An organism that grows, feeds, and is sheltered on or in a different organism while contributing nothing to the survival of its host. 2. a. One who habitually takes advantage of the generosity of others without making any useful return. b. One who lives off and flatters the rich; a sycophant.
1&2 are similar in the sense that they simply feed off of a host and gives nothing in turn but simply takes and takes. The last time I checked I as well as other GTC buyers have given isk in turn for the GTC. That isk is desired by the GTC seller and is used, therefore making our contribution "useful".
Ok check the underlined part, do you notice something ? They give the isk to other players, not the company. The "host" from the definition above is CCP.
GTC buyers don't pay a shit to CCP. Yet they take and take and take their product, camp their servers and resources, use the forums, create petitions, create cost. How do they pay the GTC ? By creating lag, by messing the economy with their grind, by camping the mission hubs and dumpening the mineral prices. Not even that they don't give a shit to the host, they even harm the game with their farmer playstyle. That's parasitism, and i really can't feel with that cadgers when the GTC price skyrockets.
GTC buyers do pay CCP, they spend in game time grinding isk, and trade that effort to another person who spent time in the real world grinding cash.
If there was no real money paid for the game time (CCP sold time for isk not cash) then your argument would be sensible, but CCP are paid real money for every account running in the game, and would lose a fair chunk of cash if they removed GTC sales.
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ShardowRhino
Caldari Legion 0f The Damned
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Posted - 2008.09.18 07:36:00 -
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Originally by: A Spy
They give the isk to other players, not the company. The "host" from the definition above is CCP.
GTC buyers don't pay a shit to CCP.
Probably the last response I'll give you for 2 reasons. 1.Use your main 2.You aren't thinking before responding
Your suggesting that GTC buyers are parasites yet they trade isk they earned to players selling a GTC. Heres where you really make little sense. You suggest that CCP is not receiving anything from the "parasitic" GTC buyer. CCP is not recieving anything directly however the isk they are willing to trade is getting the GTC buyers to purchase a timecode from CCP. It doesn't matter if you buy the gtc yourself or trade isk with someone who will purchase it and trade with you, CCP IS IN FACT receiving RL $$$ for that time code which is money they would not have pocketed had the "parasite" not been willing to trade his excess isk.
I would suggest taking your time to reread the definition of the word "parasite" followed by some time looking at what is the circle that is the GTC trade and how CCP directly benifits from it.
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Chribba
Otherworld Enterprises Otherworld Empire
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Posted - 2008.09.18 07:42:00 -
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That was a nice and informative read. I know the "sell gtc's via contract" idea has been brought up before and imo it is indeed very much needed to prevent just the effect of false threads.
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V1123
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Posted - 2008.09.18 07:50:00 -
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Originally by: A Spy Let's be honest. Those who play with buying GTCs are parasites. In fact they don't pay for the game, instead they use the game resources more than others (since they need to grind the isk for the gtc): they cause more lag, they are logged longer etc.
It's rediculous if that parasites now start a riot on the forums when they have to pay more. It does not matter if it have something to do with rl economy or not, there are 2 factors for the GTC price: supply and demand. Supply: maybe there are less people willing to throw their precious rl $ for a game. Less supply = prices go up. Demand: maybe there are more people from poor countries that are looking for GTCs, or more people having a 2nd or 3rd account that they are not willing to pay for. Demand rises, prices go up.
Where is the limit ? There is none, a 60 day GTC could be worth 1 billion aswell. And the parasites should be still thankful that they can pay a game for free and stop making pathetic complaints about the GTC price.
go whine about supply and demand somewhere else, n00b
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Tasuk
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Posted - 2008.09.18 07:54:00 -
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Originally by: A Spy Ok check the underlined part, do you notice something ? They give the isk to other players, not the company. The "host" from the definition above is CCP.
GTC buyers don't pay a shit to CCP. Yet they take and take and take their product, camp their servers and resources, use the forums, create petitions, create cost. How do they pay the GTC ? By creating lag, by messing the economy with their grind, by camping the mission hubs and dumpening the mineral prices. Not even that they don't give a shit to the host, they even harm the game with their farmer playstyle. That's parasitism, and i really can't feel with that cadgers when the GTC price skyrockets.
They do not take, they are given too. If you haven't noticed it is a symbiosis relationship between sellers and buyers. If there were no GTC buyers, ISK buyers would have no one to buy ISK from legitimately. They would have to farm the game and actually earn their ISK. In short the ISK buyers would pick up the farming, and the total amount of farming in game will not change. How can you be so silly as to not understand this?
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Haks'he Lirky
Burning Bright Inc.
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Posted - 2008.09.18 08:06:00 -
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One thing I do not understand.
You throw the economy argument out the window and then go on a wild goose chase that I do not understand.
The main reason the GTC prices is rising is the simple fact that fewer people are selling them, there are 10 threads with WTB to each WTS and sometimes more. When that is the situation the WTS'ers will slowly raise their prices until someone ignores them. Heck people that are selling would be stupid not to increase the price while people are paying.
It's all simple supply and demand mechanics.
If the Demand lowers due to accounts going inactive, or the Supply increases due to more people wanting in on the 550m isk per code action, then the price will naturally lower it self.
When the Economy gets better, and it's bad almost everywhere where people have money, then it will be a simpler choice for people to make the decision to buy codes to sell on the forums. Thus increasing supply and lowering the price.
And btw, a simple look at the Bazaar will show that WTS threads are being sold out within minutes of being posted, almost regardless of the price, this is a HUGE indicator that supply is lower than demand.
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Tasuk
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Posted - 2008.09.18 08:12:00 -
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Originally by: Haks'he Lirky
It's all simple supply and demand mechanics.
You be the n-th person to kindly point out to the rest of us stupid folk here that prices increase when the supply comes down and demand goes up. But what we are trying to discuss here is why has the supply come down and why is the demand up.
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Haks'he Lirky
Burning Bright Inc.
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Posted - 2008.09.18 08:14:00 -
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Edited by: Haks''he Lirky on 18/09/2008 08:15:40 Edited by: Haks''he Lirky on 18/09/2008 08:14:27
Originally by: Tasuk
Originally by: Haks'he Lirky
It's all simple supply and demand mechanics.
You be the n-th person to kindly point out to the rest of us stupid folk here that prices increase when the supply comes down and demand goes up. But what we are trying to discuss here is why has the supply come down and why is the demand up.
One if the simpler reasons would be the fact that it's a harder choice to buy x number of GTC's to sell for ingame stuff in the current economy. And do not try to deny the fact that RL economy affects peoples decision to buy stuff.
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Havohej
Minmatar Comply Or Die G00DFELLAS
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Posted - 2008.09.18 08:18:00 -
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Originally by: bwheeler first of, the Text is way to long.
It's a magazine, mate - you'll have that.
Originally by: CCP Explorer You can still steal their stuff.
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A Spy
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Posted - 2008.09.18 08:29:00 -
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Originally by: Tasuk
They do not take, they are given too. If you haven't noticed it is a symbiosis relationship between sellers and buyers. If there were no GTC buyers, ISK buyers would have no one to buy ISK from legitimately. They would have to farm the game and actually earn their ISK. In short the ISK buyers would pick up the farming, and the total amount of farming in game will not change. How can you be so silly as to not understand this?
The underlined part is where you make the mistake. It is naive to believe people would spend the same ammount of cash if they actually had to earn it themselves.
Take for example that alliance, that is about to lose the war after months of fighting, because it has very little resources left. They stand with their backs to the wall, and with the natural game mechanics they'd lose the war, since they can't simply farm in a war situation where the enemy is on their tail and they don't have enough time to replace that carrier fleet, which they lost in the last fight. In a natural game environment this would be the time to give up the war.
But now the GTC system kicks in. They throw hundreds of GTCs on the market and buy a new capital ship fleet and the show goes on. That's just an example. There are plenty of other things which people would not do or risk, if they actually had to get the isk themselves. Rich kids in their officer fitted faction ships, that they bought with isk and never earned, going to lowsec and think they can "p0wn" anyone because they paid so much for it, or other rediculous fitted expensive toys, which show that someone has tons of isk and no game expirience. Only possible with GTC. People would not always farm if they couldn't buy the isk. Lot's of activities simply would not take place, and noone would miss them. So it's safe to say that the GTCs create extra farming. Think twice before you call that statement silly.
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Sturmwolke
School of Applied Knowledge
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Posted - 2008.09.18 08:37:00 -
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Quite informative and there's definitely a few good nuggets that should be seriously considered and implemented by CCP.
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ShardowRhino
Caldari Legion 0f The Damned
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Posted - 2008.09.18 08:44:00 -
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Originally by: Chribba That was a nice and informative read. I know the "sell gtc's via contract" idea has been brought up before and imo it is indeed very much needed to prevent just the effect of false threads.
Deffinitely, we need something that verifies the existence of a GTC as well as proof of its purchase. IF CCP had such it would destroy my article's reason for existence, which I would welcome. It would also justify people saying that it is a "free market" at play ,concerning gtcs.
While discussing the article and responses with another Eve mag he mentioned the speculation aspect of the stock market as well as oil. That goes along with the ability of people to make false threads and replies, that creates speculation about the value of a GTC. I believe if CCP were to verify the trade of GTCs it would do the same to the price(isk wise) of a gtc as President Bush signing a bill to allow offshore did to oil. The prices of oil dropped significantly and have continued to deflate ever since.
Once the mechanics for truly safe and fair trading is put in place, I will have no problem with the prices of a GTC. If I did then it wouldn't warrant the writing of a new article, meaning if I did then it would actually be a "whine",which some people are suggesting now.
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