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Vibora BR
Minmatar
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Posted - 2008.09.18 06:12:00 -
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I've been scammed and have opened a petition about this.
So talking with some guys on Local Channel they said that scamming is not just legal in EVE but also supported by CCP.
It is hard to believe that a serious company can do that but is it true?
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Aesynil
Caldari The Unit...
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Posted - 2008.09.18 06:15:00 -
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If it uses legal, in-game mechanics, then yes, it is allowed, and in some ways supported. Eve is supposed to be a cold, harsh world, and a great many players enjoy that. So if you think they used an exploit (Unlikely), petition it. If you just didn't look close enough. Tough luck :(
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Xasz
AnTi.
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Posted - 2008.09.18 06:26:00 -
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Something can be fully legal but not necessarily SUPPORTED. So yes, scamming is generally legal, but CCP doesn't actively ENCOURAGE it.
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Naridos
Caldari Dawn of Fire
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Posted - 2008.09.18 06:31:00 -
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If you are following all ingame rules then and are not violating any rules via EULA then it is all legal ingame. Any use of game mechanics is allowed so i say sir...
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Tasuk
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Posted - 2008.09.18 06:47:00 -
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Edited by: Tasuk on 18/09/2008 06:47:03 they have nerfed several forms of scams as such my feeling was that they do not it
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Devilish Ledoux
Caldari Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2008.09.18 07:09:00 -
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CCP nerfs scams that don't require the victim to make a mistake they should have been able to avoid. Examples would include some old forms of contract scam. However, scams that are based on the victim's (misplaced) trust in the scammer instead of quirks in game mechanics are still fair game. Caveat Emptor. _
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Xanuf
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.09.18 07:40:00 -
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Bannable scams include:
-Character transfer scams -Timecard scams -Most anything involving your account info
Anything outside of that is fair game. Eve is harsh, I wouldn't trust anyone you don't know in real life.
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Tasuk
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Posted - 2008.09.18 08:18:00 -
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Originally by: Xanuf Bannable scams include:
-Character transfer scams -Timecard scams -Most anything involving your account info
Anything outside of that is fair game. Eve is harsh, I wouldn't trust anyone you don't know in real life.
and loan scams
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Vaal Erit
Science and Trade Institute
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Posted - 2008.09.18 09:43:00 -
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Stealing is ok too. It is very fun. --
http://desusig.crumplecorn.com/sigs.html
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Azuse
Brotherhood of Suicidal Priests Pure.
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Posted - 2008.09.18 10:14:00 -
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Being fair, there's absolutely no guarantee in any trade, and all contracts are so clearly labelled they're colour coded, if anything there isn't really scamming, only lack of attention -------------------------
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Brock Nelson
Caldari Flux Technologies Inc
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Posted - 2008.09.18 10:20:00 -
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Originally by: Tasuk
Originally by: Xanuf Bannable scams include:
-Character transfer scams -Timecard scams -Most anything involving your account info
Anything outside of that is fair game. Eve is harsh, I wouldn't trust anyone you don't know in real life.
and loan scams
Since when?
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Cyberman Mastermind
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Posted - 2008.09.18 11:07:00 -
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Originally by: Azuse Being fair, there's absolutely no guarantee in any trade, and all contracts are so clearly labelled they're colour coded, if anything there isn't really scamming, only lack of attention
I won't deny that it's lack of attention, but the way numbers are formatted, it rather encourages deceit. |
Optimo Sai
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Posted - 2008.09.18 11:11:00 -
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i think this post is totally irrelevant. You are trying to provoke something which people do not have under control, not CCP, not anybody. This is called free will.
Firstly, it depends how and in what way you believe you have been mistreated. If somebody sells you a product that is overpriced, i would not call it a scam. Everybody is free in this open market to sell and buy at what they want. It is your own knowledge and perception that needs to determine whether the item is cheap, average or expensive or oh my god its really an arm and a leg
anyways, maybe you can provide a little more detail about what exactly happened, and then members on this forum will be able to provide you with suggestions or help which this forum is for. Just asking whether scamming is supported, isent going to help you much now is it ?
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Kaeten
Hybrid Syndicate
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Posted - 2008.09.18 12:15:00 -
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lol supposrted, you make it sound like ccp want ppl to scam.
they "allow" it yes. ________________________ I'M POOR
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AltBier
Minmatar Freelance Unincorporated
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Posted - 2008.09.18 13:39:00 -
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Scamming in EVE is a bit like bluffing in Poker.
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Vibora BR
Minmatar
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Posted - 2008.09.18 14:02:00 -
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The contract and hiperlink mechanics in game helps a lot the scamming.
You can put a single product in contract and a different description (some times just a little bit) on it, and also hiperlink it on channels with any name.
So it is very easy to cheat using this.
I don't know another game where it is support or even allowed, this is why I made this post.
In my case I've bought a Rave BPC as if it was a CNR BPC, 200 millions lost.
The strange in this game is that mistreat people feels ashamed while the cheater glorify himself, this seems to be a sad value inversion.
The bottom line is that most companies around the world are very concerned about social responsibility. I can't see any other company encouraging scamming against real people.
We are not NPCs.
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Lady Karma
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Posted - 2008.09.18 14:09:00 -
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Edited by: Lady Karma on 18/09/2008 14:08:43 The item information in the contract is always correct
The description can be edited to say whatever. Always check the item.
Bottom line is you got scammed by one of the oldest tricks. It used to be easier to do with escrow
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Traidor Disloyal
NightCrew
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Posted - 2008.09.18 14:14:00 -
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Originally by: Vibora BR We are not NPCs.
You are correct. You are not an NPC. You have the ability to read the full contract. Whenever I pass through Jita I always make it a point to read the contracts for CNR's (or about anything that looks even remotly interesting) being advertised in local. I find the reading very entertaining. And I always wonder how people can fall for that type of scam.
Originally by: Vibora BR So it is very easy to cheat using this
No it isn't. Learn to read.
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Chainsaw Plankton
IDLE GUNS IDLE EMPIRE
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Posted - 2008.09.18 14:51:00 -
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Originally by: Azuse Being fair, there's absolutely no guarantee in any trade, and all contracts are so clearly labelled they're colour coded, if anything there isn't really scamming, only lack of attention
unless you happen to be r&g color blind
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Cpt Branko
Surge.
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Posted - 2008.09.18 14:59:00 -
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Edited by: Cpt Branko on 18/09/2008 15:00:06
Originally by: Devilish Ledoux scams that are based on the victim's (misplaced) trust in the scammer instead of quirks in game mechanics are still fair game.
This. To scam by betraying trust is fully legal. It's a cold harsh world, deal with it. If you trust the wrong people, you get boned.
If you cannot read a contract even though everything is clearly written, you get boned. Geez, that sounds awfully familiar
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Saniyya Najat
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Posted - 2008.09.18 15:00:00 -
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Originally by: Vibora BR I've been scammed and have opened a petition about this.
So talking with some guys on Local Channel they said that scamming is not just legal in EVE but also supported by CCP.
It is hard to believe that a serious company can do that but is it true?
First off Vibora, I feel for you. Like many of us, I have been taken by other players on several occasions. However, after each occasion I figured out how I allowed myself to be taken and I made behavioral changes to avoid it in the future. This game is dark and gritty largely due to the mechanics that allow players to take advantage of each other. Like others, I come back to this game because of that. While there are certainly scams or exploits that take advantage of game mechanics, in this case the information was there for you to see. You will get precious little support for this post due to the fact that most of us support this aspect of the game. Its a sort of Darwinian social experiment we are all involved in and those that grasp the mechanics of the game the fastest or the most completely will often gain access to resources unavailable to the rest of us.....or that used to belong to the rest of us. Get used to the idea that you will win and loose a lo in this game. Embrace it......and get some friends together and hunt down the bastard that made a fool of you. Revenge is a dish best enjoyed in the vacuum of space.
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Vibora BR
Minmatar
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Posted - 2008.09.18 15:06:00 -
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It is really amazing what I am seeing here.
This game is the CCP grieving machine.
Thanks for all answers.
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Dizeezer Velar
Caldari League of Disgruntled Fast Food Employees
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Posted - 2008.09.18 15:35:00 -
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Originally by: Vibora BR It is really amazing what I am seeing here.
This game is the CCP grieving machine.
Thanks for all answers.
Sorry this game isn't the rose coloured escape from life that you were looking for. Just be smart and you will be fine. The stupid are soon seperated from their isk, just like irl. THAT is what makes this game GREAT!
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Marchocias
Silent Ninja's
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Posted - 2008.09.18 16:05:00 -
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Originally by: Vibora BR It is really amazing what I am seeing here.
This game is the CCP grieving machine.
Thanks for all answers.
Dude, if in real life you were reading the free-ads in a local newspaper, and you came across one which read:
"Will give you a ton of gold in return for $1000... visit www.TonOfGoldForOneDollar.com", or send a cheque directly to me at..." (etc)
Would you just send the money, or would you visit the website, check out the address, etc first? ---- Yaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa*coughcough*aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaarrr!! |
Vibora BR
Minmatar
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Posted - 2008.09.18 16:17:00 -
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Don't fool yourself dude, this has nothing to do with donation.
It is the same as you buy a service or product by an advertising and don't get it, the lawns will protect you against it.
I am writing to Pan-European Game Information (PEGI) asking them to review this game age rating. A 12 years old child can't learn this kind of "lessons" your are giving here.
I know now the game that my sons won't ever play.
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Dana Su'ul
State War Academy
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Posted - 2008.09.18 16:20:00 -
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Goodbye.
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Marchocias
Silent Ninja's
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Posted - 2008.09.18 16:23:00 -
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Originally by: Vibora BR I am writing to Pan-European Game Information (PEGI) asking them to review this game age rating. A 12 years old child can't learn this kind of "lessons" your are giving here.
I know now the game that my sons won't ever play.
L.M.A.O!
I think you'll find that in certain war torn parts of the world, there are fair number of 12 year olds that know full well the lessons of a cruel world.
And you're concerned with writing to an essentially pointless regulation agency with a complaint, because you're incapable of bringing up your kids without coating them in metaphorical bubble wrap?
I thought I'd seen everything... now I have (except I haven't seen a man eat his own head). ---- Yaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa*coughcough*aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaarrr!! |
Dizeezer Velar
Caldari League of Disgruntled Fast Food Employees
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Posted - 2008.09.18 16:27:00 -
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Edited by: Dizeezer Velar on 18/09/2008 16:27:03
Originally by: Vibora BR
It is the same as you buy a service or product by an advertising and don't get it, the lawns will protect you against it. Quote:
My lawns have never protected me from anything.
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Marchocias
Silent Ninja's
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Posted - 2008.09.18 16:29:00 -
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Originally by: Dizeezer Velar My lawns have never protected me from anything.
I fell out of my upstairs window once, and I was very glad I didn't have hard paving beneath me!
Lifesaving lawn for the win! ---- Yaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa*coughcough*aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaarrr!! |
Saniyya Najat
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Posted - 2008.09.18 16:52:00 -
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Edited by: Saniyya Najat on 18/09/2008 16:53:05
Originally by: Vibora BR Don't fool yourself dude, this has nothing to do with donation.
It is the same as you buy a service or product by an advertising and don't get it, the lawns will protect you against it.
I am writing to Pan-European Game Information (PEGI) asking them to review this game age rating. A 12 years old child can't learn this kind of "lessons" your are giving here.
I know now the game that my sons won't ever play.
That is the saddest thing I have read in a long time. You bump into one of the best life-lessons out there and you completely missed the point. Life isn't fair. Neither is Eve. My parents taught me that there are those out there that will take advantage of me if given chance. It is ultimately my responsibility to safeguard myself from them. tWanna teach your sons a valuable life lesson? Show them that their father (assuming gender here as I can't see you) has a sense of personal responsibility. Your description of the events suggest that it was your fault. Man-up and claim the mistake.
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