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Sephiroth CloneIIV
Vitriol Ventures BLACK-MARK
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Posted - 2012.03.28 21:15:00 -
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This is the thread to speak out support for the mitanni who was re-elected, to support him continuing his work in the csm.
He won with a historical mandate of 10,058 votes, he accomplished much leading the previous CSM including standing firm and against certain directions of the company ccp (leading the CSM as a player elected represenation and advocy group, not merely a PR stunt of CCP), and holds much promise in the future CSM. I along with many other people wouldn't want that to stop because of a off color joke he made while drunk. Which he did strongly and sincerely apologize for. The miner in question is still mining.
Issler Dainze is a sour grape who won 'a' spot with a mere 1,561 votes, running a smear campaign collaborating with a vocal minority of people who hate the mittani and goons regardless, of merit and accomplishment, they are space-bigots. Here is the thread. https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=86919&find=unread
The actions of this rouge CSM have been exposed on eve news 24 as the work of a self serving political hack who has not stop campaigning even though the election is over.
http://www.evenews24.com/2012/03/28/malefactor-issler-dainze-%E2%80%93-or-how-to-lose-friends-and-alienate-your-fellow-csmers/
They are trying to unseat the mittanti because they clearly are out classed in even running close in the polls. Making a issue of something I am not even sure they would remotely care about, other than a opportunity to unseat the mittani.
For one, the whole alliance panel was full of people doing all sorts of things that fall in the darker side of eve, of loss and suffering. One person recording in depth people singing national anthems. That pretty much tops bullying is cohering people to sing, (using in game loss as a leverage for something out of game).
Of course absolutely nothing others spoke of or did elicited any outrage from spacepope Issler Dainze. Whos judgement and mandates are fueled primarily by personal vendettas, and political opportunity.
What he did, is something worth apologizing. Though I protest to ccp, and to the rest of the csm that what he did should stop him from doing his job. People stiring a pot of hate against him (many whom are NPC alts, possibly multiple alts of the same few haters), generally hated him to begin with, full of envy and pube rage. Much of this scandal is riddled with personal vendetas. To force him down out of the csm only seeks to enrich an envious, unconstructive few, is a slap in the face of democracy and player representation, the very embodiment of the CSM, we chose who we know is the right man for the job of chairman, let him keep working.
Speak out words of support, we cannot let a few by their own decision take away what was given by the large majority of voters. |
Blatant Forum Alt
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.03.28 21:20:00 -
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Fully agree. If the CSM is to remain an elected body, then the results of the election need to actually mean something. Mittens won by a huge amount, so deserves the post of chairman. He chose to decline it, that is fine, but he should not be removed from the CSM, despite what that joke of a player DariusIII thinks. |
EvilweaselSA
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2012.03.28 21:38:00 -
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~~~chairman for life~~~ |
MeBiatch
Republic University Minmatar Republic
206
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Posted - 2012.03.28 22:01:00 -
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she is the only chick on the csm and you are surprised she acted all emotional... have goons ever met a woman outside of thier mothers? |
Avila Cracko
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
249
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Posted - 2012.03.28 22:13:00 -
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I will only put here 3 quotes:
first: "So people are attacking Issler Dainze for being the only one CSM that does not lick Mittanis ass."
second: "Whats the purpose of CSM if everybody must bow to Chairman??? This CSM is all "lets be friends" and "what you say i will agree" and thats not democracy. If we elected someone we want their voice to be heard and not just tongue when licking Mittanis ass."
third: "There is no doubt, that The Mittanis has the cleanest ******* in eve. And there are many who carry the odor of **** when they open their mouths."
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k'ryn
Void.Tech BLACK-MARK
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Posted - 2012.03.28 22:14:00 -
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~10058~
That is all. |
Dead Loss
Sweet Capsuleer Tears
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Posted - 2012.03.28 22:16:00 -
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Please stop posting. |
Revolution Rising
Gentlemen of Better Ilk
203
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Posted - 2012.03.28 22:17:00 -
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You accidently your mittani ?
Awwwww....
I guess you'll have to find another high level wizard for the job ?
My EVE YouTube Channel |
stoicfaux
868
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Posted - 2012.03.28 22:29:00 -
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Blatant Forum Alt wrote:Fully agree. If the CSM is to remain an elected body, then the results of the election need to actually mean something. Mittens won by a huge amount, so deserves the post of chairman. He chose to decline it, that is fine, but he should not be removed from the CSM, despite what that joke of a player DariusIII thinks. Meh, the election did mean something. Problem is that winning an election doesn't prevent you from pissing away your 'mandate' with an inadvertent but bad case of foot-in-mouth-itis.
And it's not just the election that means something. The ToS means something. The higher code of conduct CSM members are held to means something as well. They all have weight.
Anyways, it's a learning experience for everyone involved. CCP is probably hashing out new fanfest policies and codes of conduct. CCP's lawyers are probably guzzling Maalox by the gallon. The DUST Business Owners are busy praying that the Sony hotline phone doesn't ring. The Community Manager is probably scouring the internet looking for examples of moderation policies. The Goons and Mittani learned that they aren't untouchable. The Enemies of Mitt are probably scrambling to squeeze every last bit of advantage out of the situation before it settles down. And CCP's Forum coders are probably secretly delighted that their forums help up pretty well under the onslaught.
Tomorrow is another day.
You can tell me what is and isn't Truth when you pry the tinfoil from my cold, lifeless head.
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Karl Hobb
Imperial Margarine
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Posted - 2012.03.28 22:33:00 -
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stoicfaux wrote:And CCP's Forum coders are probably secretly delighted that their forums help up pretty well under the onslaught. I think this is probably the greatest take-away from this sad affair. "Fun fact: carebears are not necessary for the game to function." --áTippia |
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Grumpy Owly
440
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Posted - 2012.03.28 22:36:00 -
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k'ryn wrote:~10058~
That is all.
< 3 percent.
220 much more appealing. Bounty Hunting for CSM7
It's just criminal - Smuggling |
Allataria
Martyr's Vengence Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2012.03.28 22:51:00 -
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With a 30 day ban now in place Mittens is truly being made a scapegoat now.
According to the reasoning behind this ban I can get others banned for making fun of me or calling me names or crapping on me when I lose internet spaceships to other internet spaceships.
Something is seriously broken if the EULA/ToS is applicable to actions outside of the game! |
Tei Lin
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2012.03.28 22:57:00 -
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Looks like people with agendas managed to headshot The Mittani by making a mountain out of a molehill. The only victims here are the 10k+ people whose votes don't count anymore. |
Xolani1990
PonyWaffe Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2012.03.28 22:57:00 -
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I think it is only reasonable that with a CSM member banned with a record-breaking mandate and something like 20 percent of the total votes cast, we should see either a full re-election, or those who voted for Mittens should be allowed to re-cast their votes, and the CSM7 re-counted.
If CCP expects EVE players to have any faith in the CSM at all, then disenfranchising the votes of 20% or more of the players who chose to vote is not the way to earn it, after CCP has worked so hard with the CSM to earn both its trust and the trust of the players who vote for candidates in the CSM. |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
318
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Posted - 2012.03.28 23:01:00 -
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Xolani1990 wrote:I think it is only reasonable that with a CSM member banned with a record-breaking mandate and something like 20 percent of the total votes cast, we should see either a full re-election, or those who voted for Mittens should be allowed to re-cast their votes, and the CSM7 re-counted.
If CCP expects EVE players to have any faith in the CSM at all, then disenfranchising the votes of 20% or more of the players who chose to vote is not the way to earn it, after CCP has worked so hard with the CSM to earn both its trust and the trust of the players who vote for candidates in the CSM. We're bloody goons, our votes should just be tossed out on the wayside like the refuse we are. Now you pubbies can just emptyquote it.
Tei Lin wrote:Looks like people with agendas managed to headshot The Mittani by making a mountain out of a molehill. The only victims here are the 10k+ people whose votes don't count anymore. BOOM HEADSHOT
If you can't take VFK, it's time to metapvp~ Take all the tech Build all the titans Drop all the POSes
Bees incoming, nerf ERRYTHING ERRYDAY |
Tergerom Loregeron
Eighty Joule Brewery Goonswarm Federation
28
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Posted - 2012.03.28 23:24:00 -
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This ban should be reversed or a revote must take place. I do not appreciate that my first CSM vote ever was OVERRIDDEN by a debatable use of the EULA/TOS to ban Mittani.
If such a reversal does not take place, then I demand bans.
Seeing as how the EULA/TOS now extend outside of the game will actions such as death threats poised towards Mittani and his family result in action? These people are making threats in the same vein as Mittani during his unfortunate lapse of judgement. What kind of hypocrisy is at play here CCP?
I find it very disconcerting that CCP will fulfill it's own agenda by disenfranchising voters and removing someone as important as a CSM member for what could be a debatable infraction of the EULA/TOS. I demand that death threats made against the Mittani and his family should result in bans or removal of assets equal to what has been applied to Mittani. |
Eli Grange
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2012.03.28 23:27:00 -
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The Mittani chaired the most successful CSM and ushered in a new age of prosperity for EVE, improving the outlook for CCP, and how do they repay him?
By banning him for a month and kicking him off the CSM, caving to pressure applied by a political opponent, using an off the cuff drunken comment outside of the game which isn't even covered by the TOS
The upside is the moron political opponent in this situation still has to smear lots more candidates to get themselves on the CSM, and I'm pretty sure that having to dig through Riverini's sweaty underwear drawer for dirt is going to do wonders for their psyche. |
Neilrac
Clan Shadow Wolf Fatal Ascension
3
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Posted - 2012.03.28 23:40:00 -
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~10058~
That is all. |
Allataria
Martyr's Vengence Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2012.03.28 23:41:00 -
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Semi - Relevant speech:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ROxvT8KKdFw&t=1m20s |
Jack Parr
University of Caille Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.03.29 00:15:00 -
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Dear lord, is every goonie crying today? I'm using barrels to collect tears.
And they are delicious. |
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WildSage
BSC LEGION Tactical Narcotics Team
0
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Posted - 2012.03.29 00:19:00 -
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This says it all
http://i.imgur.com/8q5Pt.jpg
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Susie Chow
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
53
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Posted - 2012.03.29 02:04:00 -
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Grumpy Owly wrote:k'ryn wrote:~10058~
That is all. < 3 percent. 220 much more appealing.
You don't seem to grasp the concept of statistical sampling. |
Princess Bride
Corripe Cervisiam Trade Consortium
331
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Posted - 2012.03.29 02:10:00 -
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Eli Grange wrote:The Mittani chaired the most successful CSM and ushered in a new age of prosperity for EVE, improving the outlook for CCP, and how do they repay him.
No, he really didn't.
I find the campaign myth that The Mittani started about him being the most effective CSM hilarious. What I remember is he went to Iceland, full of promises of how his extraordinary real life political know-how (somehow proven in a game setting) was going to ensure full CCP compliance with the goon agenda. His return from Iceland was followed by the WORST Eve expansion ever and massive protests were undertaken. These protests, and much more importantly the massive un-subs, prompted CCP to reverse itself. The Mittani and the rest of the CSM were flown to Iceland again to be coddled by CCP and given a modicum of credit for the changes CCP was forced to make as a purely business decision. He/they returned "victorious" from a battle that was won before they even left the ground in their plane.
The new age of prosperity for Eve was ushered in by exactly who you'd think would do it: Eve players and CCP. http://eveprincessbride.wordpress.com/ |
Princess Bride
Corripe Cervisiam Trade Consortium
331
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Posted - 2012.03.29 02:15:00 -
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k'ryn wrote:~10058~
That is all.
And still not enough. You could have blown twice as much creating voting accounts as you guys did and it wouldn't have mattered. The problem wasn't in the number of votes, it was in the fact that you intentionally voted for a man of poor moral character. You all got exactly what you wasted your vote on. http://eveprincessbride.wordpress.com/ |
Time Funnel
Ars ex Discordia Test Alliance Please Ignore
113
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Posted - 2012.03.29 02:32:00 -
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Dead Loss wrote:Please stop posting.
Never stop posting.
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Brisco County
The Shadow Plague BLACK-MARK
10
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Posted - 2012.03.29 02:58:00 -
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Confirming I blew a LOT to pay for all the extra accounts I opened to vote for Mittens.
when I say blew, I mean spent money.
That I earned blowing dudes. |
Time Funnel
Ars ex Discordia Test Alliance Please Ignore
117
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Posted - 2012.03.29 03:05:00 -
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Princess Bride wrote: What I remember is he went to Iceland, full of promises of how his extraordinary real life political know-how (somehow proven in a game setting) was going to ensure full CCP compliance with the goon agenda. His return from Iceland was followed by the WORST Eve expansion ever and massive protests were undertaken. These protests, and much more importantly the massive un-subs, prompted CCP to reverse itself.
Man I am glad someone brought this up. The Mittani was responsible for the worst release of EVE ever. Then after all the public outrage CCP flew him back to Iceland and gently encouraged him to make some necessary changes to the game. If CCP had not stood up to the Mittani then this game would be a deserted wasteland with everyone off to play something else.
Bad chairpeople = bad releases. It is a simple formula. |
Sephiroth CloneIIV
Vitriol Ventures BLACK-MARK
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Posted - 2012.03.29 05:03:00 -
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Time Funnel wrote:Princess Bride wrote: What I remember is he went to Iceland, full of promises of how his extraordinary real life political know-how (somehow proven in a game setting) was going to ensure full CCP compliance with the goon agenda. His return from Iceland was followed by the WORST Eve expansion ever and massive protests were undertaken. These protests, and much more importantly the massive un-subs, prompted CCP to reverse itself.
Man I am glad someone brought this up. The Mittani was responsible for the worst release of EVE ever. Then after all the public outrage CCP flew him back to Iceland and gently encouraged him to make some necessary changes to the game. If CCP had not stood up to the Mittani then this game would be a deserted wasteland with everyone off to play something else. Bad chairpeople = bad releases. It is a simple formula.
U trolling?
CSM does not make expansions, they represent and filter ideas to players, basically all of this was thrown on them (hey 90% of our team is working on walking in stations) and could do little about it initialy untill the riots, which they supported. Advocating for changes, and not being a direct mouthpiece for ccp when they wanted to edit minutes. They then with CCP promoted many changes which lead to the winter expansion. Many ideas born upon suggestions, did you not watch fanfest and all the stories of the CSM and CCP developers.
Not all of the expansions can be attributed to the csm and vise versia, but dam. Who here is dumb enough to not realize who is the company that runs the game. If the CSM makes expansions, what do devs do? |
RougeOperator
Autocannons Anonymous Late Night Alliance
552
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Posted - 2012.03.29 06:54:00 -
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Blatant Forum Alt wrote:Fully agree. If the CSM is to remain an elected body, then the results of the election need to actually mean something. Mittens won by a huge amount, so deserves the post of chairman. He chose to decline it, that is fine, but he should not be removed from the CSM, despite what that joke of a player DariusIII thinks.
There is no reason for a revote.
You were not disfranchised you got to vote.
Your boy blew it for you.
Take it up with him. He is the one the thew away your votes not ccp.
Alternates exist or a reason. Space wizards are real, they can make 10058 votes vanish. "and for a moment i hurd 10k goons cry out, then silence"-á |
Zahhadune
Virtual Warriors IMPERIAL LEGI0N
0
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Posted - 2012.03.29 14:28:00 -
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All the people complaining about wanting a re-election or "I want my vote back" or 10,000 votes were wasted, stop! Really just stop, he messed up. If your local mayor, city council member or just about anyone in public office made the statement "I hope you eventually commit suicide. We should all call you and encourage you too." be kicked out of office so fast it wouldn't be funny. Be happy he still has an account.
I think he totally understands what he did was wrong and has accepted his punishment and I think he is truly sorry for what he did. Hopefully he can learn from what he did and become a better leader and human being because of it. |
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