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Uilliam Nebel
Amarr 13th Udorian Rangers
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Posted - 2008.09.23 00:39:00 -
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Just curious to get an idea of how normal a thing it is to not want to role-play in Eve for a time?
For me part of it is a sense that it is just too hard to find a regular and tight group of people to role-play with in a more structured way on a regular basis. / "Our greatest glory is not in never falling, but in getting up every time we do." - Confucius, Chinese philosopher & reformer (551 BC - 479 BC.) |
Kai Zion
The Zion Accounts
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Posted - 2008.09.23 02:21:00 -
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Perfectly normal given how frustrating it can get at times trying to find people who are more interested in storytelling rather than point scoring and grandstanding.
If it gets to you, find a good corporation or alliance that isn't like that and stick to that group for your day to day stuff. They are out there.
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Korthan
Ghost Festival
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Posted - 2008.09.23 04:49:00 -
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Well if you want to be hated just for being in the corp/alliance try joining Jericho Fraction/Star Fraction Alliance. They're mostly considered the biggest RP Griefer-attention *****s in the game, but they do it effectively.
For small not so out-there RP corps as Kai said, they are out there. My own corp for example does pretty steady RP stuff between ourselves and associates, nothing huge on IGS or CAOD.
There is also VETO, Omerta Syndicate, PIE, CVA, Veritas Immortalis, Ushra'Khan, Electus Matari, and the list goes on... All depends on who and what you are looking for really. ---------------------------------------------- Ghost Festival - NA Recruiter/Director -Korthan
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Silver Night
Caldari Naqam Exalted.
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Posted - 2008.09.23 05:28:00 -
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I mostly just grandstand and score points
Seriously though I have only very occasionally run into that more structured sort of RPing, as opposed to what you generally see in the Summit. Hell, I'd be interested in something like that if anyone has any ideas. --------------
The Clown Man. GLS Mr. State Caldari Patriot. Sansha's Nation Supporter
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Myrhial Arkenath
Ghost Festival
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Posted - 2008.09.23 07:55:00 -
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I am very happy about my corporation and the possibilities for RP it provides. I admit I lapse to OOC chat on local at times, but this is mainly because it is rather awkward to stay IC when the conversation clearly went the other way.
What kills RP in my eyes is elitism. Nothing like receiving in a response in brackets that you are stepping outside of the backstory or heaven forbid...being creative or humorous.
Having a good corporation / community is what makes or breaks RP for me. Without Apex and GF I would have likely been a "normal" player. Because of the lack of this in other mmo's, as well as elitism making it no longer enjoyable, I do have given up on RP in other mmo's other than the occasional event organized by close friends.
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Deviana Sevidon
Gallente Panta-Rhei United Front Alliance
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Posted - 2008.09.23 10:59:00 -
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I have been at times active, but only with a few german roleplayers. Since most of the people are either inactive and there is some OOC hostility (pro BoB/anti BoB) there is not much RP left anymore.
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Uilliam Nebel
Amarr 13th Udorian Rangers
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Posted - 2008.09.23 11:45:00 -
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Originally by: Myrhial Arkenath What kills RP in my eyes is elitism. Nothing like receiving in a response in brackets that you are stepping outside of the backstory or heaven forbid...being creative or humorous.
Actually one thing I have noticed about a good deal of the type of elitism you are pointing out is how sophmoric it is usually. Many things people claim are written in stone when actually researched into are not. Many times they are just assumptions or poor reading comprehension passed off as back story and PF. Worst cases are people trying to twist things and mislead, misquote, and flat out make up things to fit their agendas and arguments and prove how 'right' they are.
(Personal rant here: And pointing to a player written board post, especially your own, from way back when does not make it official back story or PF. Also no one cares you have been playing Eve since closed beta. Thats not grounds to be recognized as an expert.) / "Our greatest glory is not in never falling, but in getting up every time we do." - Confucius, Chinese philosopher & reformer (551 BC - 479 BC.) |
Verone
Gallente Veto Corp
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Posted - 2008.09.23 15:18:00 -
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Getting a lot of interaction IC can be a nightmare at times, and it depends completely on what your character sees as acceptable and unacceptable as to where you can go and what you can do for that interaction.
There can be times for myself and the rest of Veto where we have issues with RP purely because very few pirate corporations are actually RP corps and most prefer just to sit on gates smartbombing nubs all day.
Players are always welcome in our IC channel (the Veto Corp gurista nightclub "The Last Gate") for some fun, providing their character would risk mixing with our types, and has no issue being seated in a bar with outlaws, murderes and heathens.
\o/ EON FICTION WRITER OF THE YEAR! \o/
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Dex Nederland
Caldari Lai Dai Infinity Systems
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Posted - 2008.09.23 15:19:00 -
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Originally by: Deviana Sevidon I have been at times active, but only with a few german roleplayers. Since most of the people are either inactive and there is some OOC hostility (pro BoB/anti BoB) there is not much RP left anymore.
I actually consider the pro-/anti- BoB//Tri/Rzr/etc hostility to be IC. Those are IC entities and IC I refer to them as the 0.0 warlords & warbands.
IC my character was attacked by BoB in Caldari 0.0 but also helped out the State by taking out a FOOM POS in Black Rise, so I am cautious of them. That southern horde kicked of their holy war against miners; I employee miners and thus set them as hostile. I am not a fan of either, but their IC actions are what has established that IC.
RP is actually what keeps me involved in EvE. I would not be as involved as I am without RP.
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Garion Avarr
Amarr Zero Zero Traders YTMND.
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Posted - 2008.09.23 16:39:00 -
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I also would not be as involved in Eve if not for the RP keeping me here. Same goes for any MMORPG I've played.
I must admit I've several times considered quiting my corp to join/start an RP corp. ________________________________ This is not a signature. |
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Stitcher
Caldari Duty.
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Posted - 2008.09.23 21:18:00 -
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Originally by: Kai Zion Perfectly normal given how frustrating it can get at times trying to find people who are more interested in storytelling rather than point scoring and grandstanding.
Funny, I rather thought that those things were fun.
That, and the random discussions about cake and shoes. -
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Garion Avarr
Amarr Zero Zero Traders YTMND.
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Posted - 2008.09.23 21:30:00 -
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There is no cake, there is only PIE. ________________________________ This is not a signature. |
Dex Nederland
Caldari Lai Dai Infinity Systems
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Posted - 2008.09.23 23:22:00 -
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Originally by: Garion Avarr I must admit I've several times considered quiting my corp to join/start an RP corp.
You should depending on what you want to do.
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Kai Zion
The Zion Accounts
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Posted - 2008.09.24 01:19:00 -
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Edited by: Kai Zion on 24/09/2008 01:21:14
Originally by: Stitcher Funny, I rather thought that those things were fun.
Oh they can be, don't get me wrong. Hell, I do it myself plenty. It's just that, on a long enough timeline, when that is frequently all there is on offer, it can get a bit tiring.
Sometimes its nice to just have a conversation or explore an idea, rather than engage in RP that is framed only in terms of "winning" and "losing" and "hah, I pwned him!"
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Myrhial Arkenath
Ghost Festival
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Posted - 2008.09.24 08:24:00 -
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@ Garion: An RP corporation can certainly be a great source of RP, but even without it thanks to channels you should be able to find some. Or you can start the holy quest to convert your current corp members into roleplayers.
@ Verone: Been pondering about about having Myr paying a visit, just to have her find out how her old "friends" think about things now. Should I bring bodyguards and bulletproof clothing or is the Last Gate neutral ground? (Like The Skyhook, which I hereby ninja advertise)
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Alexeph Stoekai
Stoekai Cybermind
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Posted - 2008.09.24 11:44:00 -
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Edited by: Alexeph Stoekai on 24/09/2008 11:46:16 EVE is blessed with game mechanics that make it easy to roleplay. Personally, I have RP as my default setting and out-of-character as an optional path if I want to talk about the latest video game with some corpies. That being said, I don't force RP on anyone. I know that there are people that loathe it, and I in turn dislike them, so I am quite good at filtering out inane OOC babble. I have never considered dropping out of EVE RP, because I have such a fluid relationship with it - if the situation doesn't call for it, I can easily avoid roleplaying, but I will always look for in-character justification for various actions, or use OOC actions to define IC traits.
I'm well aware that it's difficult to find fellow roleplayers, especially if you don't want to play a religious fundamentalist (though I have characters like that) or a freedom fighting terrorist. Personally, I've been writing fiction for nearly a decade, and find it easy to develop things on my own without other players - but it gets lonely.
This character has been pushed to alt status for a long time, but I'm working on establishing Stoekai as a trader/industrial RP base. If anyone's interested, feel free to give me a convo.
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Myrhial Arkenath
Ghost Festival
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Posted - 2008.09.24 11:51:00 -
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Originally by: Korthan This post has been cleared of inappropriate content.
Regards, The EVE Online Moderation team
Erm...what did Korthan say that was imappropriate? All I read was praise about being in a good corp and mention of other good RP corps.
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Korthan
Ghost Festival
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Posted - 2008.09.24 13:26:00 -
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probably my bit about Jericho and the SF alliance... in anycase yeah I got teh modded
RP is all up to you if you didn't get a chance to read what i posted lol ---------------------------------------------- Ghost Festival - NA Recruiter/Director -Korthan
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Che Biko
Polytechnique Gallenteenne
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Posted - 2008.09.24 15:38:00 -
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Originally by: Alexeph Stoekai ... Personally, I have RP as my default setting and out-of-character as an optional path if I want to talk about the latest video game with some corpies. That being said, I don't force RP on anyone. ... I am quite good at filtering out inane OOC babble. I have never considered dropping out of EVE RP, because I have such a fluid relationship with it - if the situation doesn't call for it, I can easily avoid roleplaying, but I will always look for in-character justification for various actions, or use OOC actions to define IC traits.
This is pretty much how I RP. It took a while for my character to understand that 'player' is slang for capsuleer. When my character hears something where this trick won't help, he frowns and wonders if implants and pod technology, with the accompanied sense of immortality, are good for the pilots mental wellbeing.
About finding roleplayers: IMO you don't need other roleplayers to roleplay, although it does help to get some feedback. But a lot of times I am perfectly happy when ChT is alone, mourning at the site of some great catastrophy, leaving a comment on local every now and then that no one responds to. I think that if you have RP as default setting, you'll eventually find RP friendly people, or they will find you.
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Garion Avarr
Amarr Zero Zero Traders YTMND.
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Posted - 2008.09.24 16:04:00 -
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Originally by: Dex Nederland
Originally by: Garion Avarr I must admit I've several times considered quiting my corp to join/start an RP corp.
You should depending on what you want to do.
Let's see . . . RP, become rich and famous, RP becoming rich and famous, be involved in politics and diplomacy, be an IC political figure, lead a corp/alliance to greatness, RP . . . yeah.
Well, aside from the RP aspect and the rich and famous part, I'm doing alright with those. Mostly a sense of loyalty that keeps me around, though. Which probably isn't good, but it also means I feel rather guilty whenever I think about moving on.
All in all, though, I enjoy my current position, but . . . I'd enjoy it more if the rest of the leadership RPed and I felt like I could base decisions about the direction of the corp on RP.
Originally by: Myrhial Arkenath @ Garion: An RP corporation can certainly be a great source of RP, but even without it thanks to channels you should be able to find some. Or you can start the holy quest to convert your current corp members into roleplayers.
Well, I've managed to find pretty regular RP with you guys, at any rate. But yeah, converting my current corp into RPers would be nice . . . I just have to figure out how to do it. ________________________________ This is not a signature. |
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Myrhial Arkenath
Ghost Festival
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Posted - 2008.09.24 16:48:00 -
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Originally by: Korthan probably my bit about Jericho and the SF alliance... in anycase yeah I got teh modded
RP is all up to you if you didn't get a chance to read what i posted lol
Bad Korthan bad. I suppose I just skipped over that reading it, oh well :P
Garion, first of all just ask them how they feel about RP. Don't force it on them, but if they want to set up a separate channel for it or such it is a good start
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Silver Night
Caldari Naqam Exalted.
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Posted - 2008.09.26 05:32:00 -
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Edited by: Silver Night on 26/09/2008 05:34:34
Originally by: Uilliam Nebel
Originally by: Myrhial Arkenath What kills RP in my eyes is elitism. Nothing like receiving in a response in brackets that you are stepping outside of the backstory or heaven forbid...being creative or humorous.
Actually one thing I have noticed about a good deal of the type of elitism you are pointing out is how sophmoric it is usually. Many things people claim are written in stone when actually researched into are not. Many times they are just assumptions or poor reading comprehension passed off as back story and PF. Worst cases are people trying to twist things and mislead, misquote, and flat out make up things to fit their agendas and arguments and prove how 'right' they are.
(Personal rant here: And pointing to a player written board post, especially your own, from way back when does not make it official back story or PF. Also no one cares you have been playing Eve since closed beta. Thats not grounds to be recognized as an expert.)
You're just ruining all my favorite RP past times :(. I was so right in that post though. The one I wrote in Beta.
@ Garion: Where you are is basically where I was for a really long time. I RPed, but I wasn't in an RP corporation. It can be limiting in some ways, but as mentioned, it depends on what you want to do and what your priorities are. I never found it that big a deal myself, though I have enjoyed being in a corporation that RPs.
Edit: Just to be clear, I've never pointed at my own post and used that as PF or anything. Do people actually do that? The rest is true, I'm an elitist Beta-era bastard with few redeeming qualities and a smug, pretentious air about my own expertise on the PF. --------------
The Clown Man. GLS Mr. State Caldari Patriot. Sansha's Nation Supporter
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Scagga Laebetrovo
Evil Bastards
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Posted - 2008.09.26 17:48:00 -
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Originally by: Uilliam Nebel Just curious to get an idea of how normal a thing it is to not want to role-play in Eve for a time?
For me part of it is a sense that it is just too hard to find a regular and tight group of people to role-play with in a more structured way on a regular basis.
Since I started actively rp'ing an Ammatar in late 2006, I think this is the first real 'attenuation' in RP (it wasn't possible to suckle at the bulging teat of another branch of RP for me, I found Ammatars too interesting!).
I think the main reason that led to the current attenuation may be related to many factors, which I'll list from my point of view, vaguely resembling an order of importance:
- A lack of fluidity in RP. It can get boring (for me) to have an unchanging status quo, with many otherwise talented people not making an effort to adjust to new conditions, preferring to go OOC and complain about how the PF is 'broken' or not 'fair'. This is coupled by the fact that the record seems to get stuck in a groove for some approaches!
- Uneven distribution of RP'ers, leading to grossly disproportionate sides (For instance, I feel sorry for the Gallente RP'ers in this regard, but there are many others who could have used more participants). This goes hand in hand with an overall small number of RP'ers and RP corps, or at least, RP corps that one can discover without unrealistic amounts of effort.
(Before I get called on by the 'you make your own rp/fun', I have to say I have plenty of internal RP lines that go on with fellow Ammatars etc, but most enjoyment is seeing a relative balance with the rest of the universe, with healthy oppurtunities to interact)
- RL pressure has played a part, repeatedly, in forcing me to cut down on what I do ingame - this usually leads me to artificially debride juicy tissue from my ingame RP substance to reduce commitments. This is the case at the moment.
Right, I ought to proof read that...albeit shan't
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Uilliam Nebel
Amarr 13th Udorian Rangers
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Posted - 2008.09.26 20:26:00 -
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Originally by: Silver Night Just to be clear, I've never pointed at my own post and used that as PF or anything. Do people actually do that? The rest is true, I'm an elitist Beta-era bastard with few redeeming qualities and a smug, pretentious air about my own expertise on the PF.
Sadly yes, when I first started in Eve and role-played I had one person in the RP community do it. Basically they just kept sending me private convos where they criticized everything about what I did in RP. And sent me links to their fan fiction post, claiming that it was the role-play 'bible' for all the players of Amarrian characters.
I have seen a lot of times where people incorrectly state or falsely cite the the PF, usually to 'win' an in character argument of all things. Or to try an lead people to RP their version of Eve. All though when you look into what they are claiming, you see it is either wrong, or completely made up. / "Our greatest glory is not in never falling, but in getting up every time we do." - Confucius, Chinese philosopher & reformer (551 BC - 479 BC.) |
Silver Night
Caldari Naqam Exalted.
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Posted - 2008.09.27 08:38:00 -
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Wacky. I trying an point people to relevant pieces of PF sometimes, because you need a common basis to work from. As an example, ships crews. --------------
The Clown Man. GLS Mr. State Caldari Patriot. Sansha's Nation Supporter
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Avel Kereka
Amarr The Aegis Militia Aegis Militia
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Posted - 2008.09.28 05:05:00 -
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In defence of "elitist"" RPers who point out inconsistencies and direct players to the PF... well, they're as good as gold and be thankful our community has them or else our RP would end up like WoW's. EVE has a very mature community which makes it a joy to play--you'll often see RPers (or even normal players) on opposite sides of a conflict praising each other for a good fight or good RP and that's how it should be.
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Myrhial Arkenath
Ghost Festival
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Posted - 2008.09.28 08:46:00 -
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You're correct in a way there Avel, but I have also seen the flip side where elitism is pushed so far that players lose their interest in RP because they get told they are doing it wrong the entire time. Funny enough that was in WoW. Though there are plenty more reasons than that. But I will save you that discussion
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Jonathan Ballard
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Posted - 2008.09.30 12:29:00 -
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I am on the other end of this, I am still new to Eve and I am now looking at maybe getting into the RP side of things. It does seem like it can be a minefield. I am still looking to find that tight group of people to RP with as you say, I am sure they are out there somewhere, just keep at it?
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Kai Zion
The Zion Accounts
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Posted - 2008.09.30 12:36:00 -
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Absolutely, just keep at it. Don't do something if it's making you miserable, and focus on getting fun how you want to, not how others think you should be.
Reach out to people too, anyone who interests you. Shoot them off an evemail or kick up a convo etc. That's a great way to find people you like RP'ing with.
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Myrhial Arkenath
Ghost Festival
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Posted - 2008.09.30 15:30:00 -
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Can't agree more with Kai, stick your head into the Summit and any other RP channel that interests you. Remember than your character just like you may change opinions at times, so if you end up somewhere and you don't like it, take another turn and see how that works out.
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