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CCP Wrangler
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Posted - 2008.09.24 14:30:00 -
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I doubt anyone missed the recent issues with the Jita system, and as we promised solving this has the highest priority within CCP right now. We're tackling the situation both from a hardware and a software perspective and this blog is mainly about the latter of those two. One of the problems with Jita has always been how to avoid going there unless you absolutely have to and with some changes to the autopilot, some worldshaping and some changes to the agents & missions we have solved these issues. The details are available for your perusal in The Jita Conundrum.
Wrangler
Community Manager
CCP Hf, EVE Online
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Kappas.
Galaxy Punks
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Posted - 2008.09.24 14:36:00 -
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Moar dev blogage! 
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Sky Grunthor
Minmatar
The Dead Parrot Shoppe Inc.
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Posted - 2008.09.24 14:36:00 -
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Edited by: Sky Grunthor on 24/09/2008 14:36:09
Err... Second.
Anyway... I like it... Good job
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Arous Drephius
Perkone
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Posted - 2008.09.24 14:46:00 -
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Win. Awesome epic win.
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iudex
Caldari
State Protectorate
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Posted - 2008.09.24 14:58:00 -
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Hi,
first i want to say a big thanks for a new devblog, i love devblogs and check the site everyday, always nice to see a new one.
On the Jita issue: you identified some factors that you consider as the cause of Jita being overfilled.
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When navigating through this region of space the autopilot sometimes wants to send you through Jita.
There is a constellation you cannot reach without going through Jita.
There are some agents in Jita that new players sometimes have the misfortune of working for.
Agents sometimes send you on missions into Jita.
This factors for sure had a role in making Jita what it is today, but they are not the key factors for the high popoulation. If this was only because of travel, people would stay there for 1-2 minuts and Jita wouldn't be that overcroweded.
Nor does Jita have good agents compared to the other Caldari agents.
Jita is highly poplulated because it's a trading hub. Whenever i have to sell anything, i can be sure that it will be bought in Jita much faster than anywhere else (speaking from expirience). Or if i like to buy something, Jita has it. This is especially important if i lose ships frequently and have to buy all the modules. In Jita IV-4 i get everything, every module, rigs, ammo and almost every ship available for a fair price (thanks to the heavy competition thre amongst traders/producers).
That's quite handy, i don't have to jump around the region to get the parts together, that's why i always go to Jita for buying&fitting a new ship. So do others. Traders live there, producers bring their goods there, and buyers go to Jita if they like to get good stuff for a decent price.
Take Jita as an interesting phenomenon, not as a problem that has to be solved by getting people out of there.
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John McCreedy
Caldari
Eve Defence Force
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Posted - 2008.09.24 15:21:00 -
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I might be over simplifying the issue but wouldn't it just be easier to create other centralised systems? If you create other systems that are on as many AP routes as Jita seems to be then one would hope people would have sense enough to start selling out of those systems and therefore lessening the congestion in Jita since they would be as easy to get to and would, initially at least, be lag free.
A bypass route is a good idea but the problem will still exist for people wanting to go shopping.
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iudex
Caldari
State Protectorate
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Posted - 2008.09.24 15:34:00 -
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Sorry for double-posting, but i'd like to add one more thought, since you see the position of Jita (crossroad between many travel routes) as the cause for it's growth.
In Europe many Cities were built at rivers with ford, port or a seaport.
This because of the fact that rivers / the sea were important for trading back then, as certain goods could be only moved by ships.
My home city, Frankfurt am Main, has even the name of the river in the city name.
With time this settlements at the trading routes developed to large cities, with strong trade and industry. My city today has the largest airport and the largest stock exchange of continental Europe, it's the HQ of the eurpean central bank, has lot's of skysc****rs etc.
The river as a trading route, which made the whole region strong for hundred of years, still has a little importance, but if it was removed, the city wouldn't just stop being one of the major financial centers of the world.
I think this could be used as an analogy for Jita in certain respects, and it's interesting to see, how those city developments processes from hundreds or thousands of years ago are reflected in the artificial universe of Eve.
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Haks'he Lirky
Burning Bright Inc.
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Posted - 2008.09.24 15:35:00 -
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Brilliant dev blog.
@others.
If you want to artificially kill Jita (i.e. not let the market control it) then you would need to create artificial trade hubs. Let's say that all the common trade hubs today would be linked. So you can go to Jita, Oursulaert, Rens and others and they would all share the same market, put something on sale in one and you would make it available in all the systems.
But I think this is to artificial of a solution for CCP and would make many a eve player choke.
Other factors could be to introduce heavier tax in those systems, but since most of the time sellers are selling things for lower price in market hubs anyway I am not sure this would address anything.
Sorry, just rambling.
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Ehranavaar
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Posted - 2008.09.24 15:36:00 -
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props for the unintentional comic bit about Reykjavfk being a major metropolis.
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Gold Rogers
Absinthe Brothers Consortium
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Posted - 2008.09.24 15:39:00 -
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Originally by: Haks'he Lirky
Brilliant dev blog.
So you can go to Jita, Oursulaert, Rens and others and they would all share the same market, put something on sale in one and you would make it available in all the systems.
But I think this is to artificial of a solution for CCP and would make many a eve player choke.
One of two things would happen.
1. Stuff would have to magically teleport if it was listed in a different system from the one you got it from, this would be open to abuse.
2. If the above isn't true the buyer would still have to visit the system in question.
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LaVista Vista
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Posted - 2008.09.24 15:43:00 -
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Very nice 
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Jac Straw
Noir.
Trinity Nova Alliance
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Posted - 2008.09.24 15:44:00 -
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I lol'd at the end
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Komen
Gallente
Trinity Nova
Trinity Nova Alliance
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Posted - 2008.09.24 15:56:00 -
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While not a complete solution, the several changes outlined in this devblog are much welcome, needed, and overdue. Many of these changes have been suggested in forum threads by players, and it is always refreshing to see the devs willing to take on ideas from the community.
We welcome our new less-laggy Jita overlords.
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Zikka
Hematite Rose
Bionic Dawn
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Posted - 2008.09.24 16:21:00 -
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Excellent changes!
And to the nay-sayers - I think you have missed the point. At the moment my autopilot sends me through Jita all the time even when I don't want to go there.
They aren't trying to kill Jita - they are just making it possible for people to travel through the forge without disappearing into the Jita black hole for hours!
By removing everything that isn't the market (i.e passing travellers, agent missions etc) from Jita into other mostly empty systems then there is more resources available in jita to handle those who are there to trade.
Everyone wins.
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Chi Quan
Perkone
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Posted - 2008.09.24 16:28:00 -
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umm...YAY?
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Ethidium Bromide
Amarr
ZEALOT WARRIORS AGAINST TERRORISTS
Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2008.09.24 16:31:00 -
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Edited by: Ethidium Bromide on 24/09/2008 16:31:34
anyone else wondering about those screensshots where jita is the only system WITHOUT traffic advisory?
oh and i wonder if the lag will be worse with thousands of people wanting to see the new improved lag free jita
Originally by: George Petsch
Nochricht: Dei schwarer StroinlSser trifftn Karli[Baatzis] und ruiniert erm so richtig de Dosn, 1343.7 schhodn, oida.
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Ephemeral Waves
Federation of Freedom Fighters
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Posted - 2008.09.24 16:33:00 -
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...much like any other major metropolis that has over a hundred thousand inhabitants...
I've never heard words like 'major' and 'metropolis' used to describe a town of 100k people.
Usually, "bedroom community" or "suburb" would properly describe that small a group of people. 
Anyway, good new and long overdue. Though, anybody with brains long ago bm'ed isanomo and uses that as a waypoint to go around Jita.
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Akikio Lankinen
Yurai-Tenshin Zaibatsu
Celestial Imperative
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Posted - 2008.09.24 16:57:00 -
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\o/ A Badger-load of Spiced wine to CCP
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Elaron
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2008.09.24 16:58:00 -
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Originally by: Ethidium Bromide
anyone else wondering about those screensshots where jita is the only system WITHOUT traffic advisory?
Probably taken on a client connected to an internal CCP test server that's only running a Jita node.
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ArmyOfMe
Pernicious Creed
Vendetta Alliance.
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Posted - 2008.09.24 17:04:00 -
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from looking at your screenshots it meens we will now take a route thats 3-4 jumps longer?
wouldnt it be more easy just to insert the good old highways again?
i rather just go through jita then to have to do x number of jumps more each time i travel around that area
Originally by: deadmaus
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Ethidium Bromide
Amarr
ZEALOT WARRIORS AGAINST TERRORISTS
Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2008.09.24 17:20:00 -
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Originally by: Elaron
Originally by: Ethidium Bromide
anyone else wondering about those screensshots where jita is the only system WITHOUT traffic advisory?
Probably taken on a client connected to an internal CCP test server that's only running a Jita node.
now i can't laugh about it anymore
as if there weren't enough logical explanations making real life boring allready
Originally by: George Petsch
Nochricht: Dei schwarer StroinlSser trifftn Karli[Baatzis] und ruiniert erm so richtig de Dosn, 1343.7 schhodn, oida.
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Kwedaras
Amarr
Viziam
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Posted - 2008.09.24 17:36:00 -
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would you kindly dont send me through jita ?
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Ishina Fel
Caldari
Synergy.
Imperial Republic Of the North
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Posted - 2008.09.24 18:13:00 -
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Originally by: Ehranavaar
props for the unintentional comic bit about Reykjavfk being a major metropolis.
If you lived in a place where one third of the total population of the entire country lives in a single city, you would be taking it a bit more serious, I'm sure
By international standards, Reykjavfk isn't large. By Icelandian standards, Reykjavfk is a freaking monster!
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ZW Dewitt
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Posted - 2008.09.24 18:30:00 -
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I sincerely hopes this works better than the "avoid pod kill zones" which really only served to confuse new people until they were told to turn it off.
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El'essar Viocragh
Minmatar
Meltd0wn
iPOD Alliance
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Posted - 2008.09.24 18:37:00 -
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Edited by: El''essar Viocragh on 24/09/2008 18:43:04
Originally by: ArmyOfMe
from looking at your screenshots it meens we will now take a route thats 3-4 jumps longer?
wouldnt it be more easy just to insert the good old highways again?
i rather just go through jita then to have to do x number of jumps more each time i travel around that area
Right. But now, it is your choice. You have the option to avoid Jita or to not avoid Jita. Right now, there are times when you cannot avoid Jita even if you want to and CCP is giving us this choice instead of forcing some artificial yadda-yadda upon us.
Well done.
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@ZW Dewitt: the podkill-avoidance feature creates problems when podkills occur in pipe systems that are the only access point to certain systems. Right then, the path is disconnected and the AP cannot find you a valid travelway anymore.
By adding the bypass to the Ruomo constellation, CCP ensures that there are no systems in Eve that require you to trespass Jita, so blacklisting it will not cause AP failure.
Personally expanding the blacklist can of course cause issues. If A->B->C is the only way and you want to avoid B, you obviously won't get there.
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Broegitte Bardot
BINFORD
Solidus Alliance
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Posted - 2008.09.24 18:37:00 -
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so... basically the jita problem "suddenly" popped up again making at a "recent issue" and, look, we reacted quickly!
you threw a content-less but very promising patch at us lately that should have improved lots of things - but miraculously borked jita
how in the world can one not think that you deliberately caused the poor performance to waltz in knight-in-shining-armor now?
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Maaku
Native Freshfood
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Posted - 2008.09.24 18:38:00 -
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Iceland's capital of Reykjavfk is an interesting experience for me. It's big, it's busy and, as a result of being a convenient place to get most anything one needs, it can be a bit expensive; much like any other major metropolis that has over a hundred thousand inhabitants. It's a place with a little too much hustle and bustle for me.
Small piece of advice: Never ever ever travel to New York City. It would kill you.
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Vyktor Abyss
IONSTAR
Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2008.09.24 18:55:00 -
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A lovely blog.
And about time.
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ZidanSZ
Gallente
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Posted - 2008.09.24 18:58:00 -
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Edited by: ZidanSZ on 24/09/2008 19:02:08
Best news for the past 14 months
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Gawain Hill
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Posted - 2008.09.24 19:06:00 -
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I can't wait for all the people that don't read the dev blog to start petitioning gm's that they can't set their autopilot to jita as soon as this goes live :D
any chance of having a list of the complaints made public for some light reading when I get board?
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