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Mr Mucker
Gallente Hooride Raiders
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Posted - 2008.09.25 10:51:00 -
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Sorry if this has been posted before but the forum really needs tidying up of old posts. I can't find any recent ones explaining how you get tech 2 BPO's, can it be done? I read about BPO lottery with Research Points but from what I understand this is no longer in use. These are old posts and should be removed from the site as is a load of other junk that is outdated now. thanks in advance,
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BrainSeller
BrainSeller Trade Consortium
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Posted - 2008.09.25 11:03:00 -
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Originally by: Mr Mucker
I read about BPO lottery with Research Points but from what I understand this is no longer in use
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Lord Fitz
Project Amargosa
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Posted - 2008.09.25 11:22:00 -
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You can only get one from another player willing to sell one, as a result they sell for far more than they are worth if you intend on trying to make a profit using them. (Many sell for over 10 years worth of profit !).
If you want to make money, you will make more purchasing a capital BPO or through invention.
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gruktor
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Posted - 2008.09.25 16:50:00 -
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Originally by: Lord Fitz You can only get one from another player willing to sell one, as a result they sell for far more than they are worth.
QFT.
The BPO market is really skewed right now, and the only way to get the good BPO's is to throw alot of money around.
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Karasuma Akane
Dirty Sexy Pilots
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Posted - 2008.09.26 00:32:00 -
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Quote: How do you get a tech 2 BPO?
If you were in BoB, you could always just have one of your CCP developer lackeys create one and deliver it to you... |
Woodwraith
Digital assassins G00DFELLAS
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Posted - 2008.09.26 00:43:00 -
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honestly, it was a flameburst precision missle bpo or some damn thing, you guys make it out like they had vaga bpos overflowing their corp hangars,
and to the OP, you dont get a T2 bpo, the prices they sell at are completely overmarked, if youve really got the T2 bug, drop a tower and run invention jobs, youll quickly become disenchanted with the building of T2 items, i know why they cost so much, theyre a PITA to make...
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gruktor
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Posted - 2008.09.26 03:00:00 -
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Originally by: Woodwraith I know why they cost so much, they're a PITA to make...
Well, maybe if CCP changed the system around to balance it out, it might still be a PITA, but at least with a tangible outcome.
Why not change it so that invention can be used with a T1 BPO to possibly create a T2 BPO? Tweek the numbers downward on invention so that it's not as easy (because nothing worth having is ever easy, and i'm not saying it's easy now), but at least all of that research and invention can come up with something to use long-term. And it just might make having a personal POS worth it again.
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Jana Clant
New Dawn Corp New Eden Research
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Posted - 2008.09.26 09:27:00 -
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Originally by: Karasuma Akane
Quote: How do you get a tech 2 BPO?
If you were in BoB, you could always just have one of your CCP developer lackeys create one and deliver it to you...
How long has it been, 2 years now? You've been beating the dead horse for so long it must have disintegrated by now.
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Knawt Ongrid
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Posted - 2008.09.26 17:34:00 -
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Originally by: Woodwraith honestly, it was a flameburst precision missle bpo or some damn thing, you guys make it out like they had vaga bpos overflowing their corp hangars,
and to the OP, you dont get a T2 bpo, the prices they sell at are completely overmarked, if youve really got the T2 bug, drop a tower and run invention jobs, youll quickly become disenchanted with the building of T2 items, i know why they cost so much, theyre a PITA to make...
I think it was a Sabre BPO (at least what was known as to the favor extended by the offending dev T20), hardly useless. Also, one would think such a dev would get the boot. Nope.
Otherwise i agree that invention is a PITA
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Vyktor Abyss
IONSTAR Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2008.09.26 19:54:00 -
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People saying that its impossible to make a profit on a T" BPO are wrong.
The prices for most BPOs in general is still increasing.
So if you're smart you get industrial profit plus some profit if/when you come to sell it again.
The sad thing is that these items are selling for upto 50 Billion ISK, which is a disheartening price to almost all but T2 BPO holders.
I've felt for a few years now I am a second class Eve citazen since I can't play the megabucks game, and it disheartens me a bit knowing that while I grind hour on hour ratting/missioning or whatever to make enough to buy a T2 PVP ship, others are making billions that same hour simply by having joined the game at an earlier date and gotten lucky on the lottery and having their BPO appreciate in value & churn out ships selling them over the odds to dumb sods like me.
Its something CCP fecked up from the beginning and still have not got right, but it is to core to the game to change really.
And yes I'm aware I could become a corp thief/sucide pirate or whatever to get a T2 BPO but really, it doesn't mask the rotten stench of poor game design for me.
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Chribba
Otherworld Enterprises Otherworld Empire
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Posted - 2008.09.26 20:34:00 -
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tbh the ISK you make from a T2 BPO is when you sell it.
Buy a T2 BPO, make some ISK off it (generally not that much) sell it to a higher price = when you make ISK from it.
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Tasko Pal
Heron Corporation
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Posted - 2008.09.26 20:43:00 -
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Originally by: gruktor
Why not change it so that invention can be used with a T1 BPO to possibly create a T2 BPO? Tweek the numbers downward on invention so that it's not as easy (because nothing worth having is ever easy, and i'm not saying it's easy now), but at least all of that research and invention can come up with something to use long-term. And it just might make having a personal POS worth it again.
Originally by: Vyktor Abyss People saying that its impossible to make a profit on a T" BPO are wrong.
The prices for most BPOs in general is still increasing.
So if you're smart you get industrial profit plus some profit if/when you come to sell it again.
The sad thing is that these items are selling for upto 50 Billion ISK, which is a disheartening price to almost all but T2 BPO holders.
I've felt for a few years now I am a second class Eve citazen since I can't play the megabucks game, and it disheartens me a bit knowing that while I grind hour on hour ratting/missioning or whatever to make enough to buy a T2 PVP ship, others are making billions that same hour simply by having joined the game at an earlier date and gotten lucky on the lottery and having their BPO appreciate in value & churn out ships selling them over the odds to dumb sods like me.
Here's my take. Just get 50 billion or so and buy one. There's a lot of ways of making that much isk. While it's difficult for a single person to get that much isk, it's not a real challenge for a group of people. I don't see why CCP should just give you something that cost someone else 50 billion or whatever to get. You're not entitled to every flashy bit of bling just because you play the game. You got to earn it.
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Lord Fitz
Project Amargosa
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Posted - 2008.09.26 20:46:00 -
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Originally by: Woodwraith honestly, it was a flameburst precision missle bpo or some damn thing, you guys make it out like they had vaga bpos overflowing their corp hangars,
and to the OP, you dont get a T2 bpo, the prices they sell at are completely overmarked, if youve really got the T2 bug, drop a tower and run invention jobs, youll quickly become disenchanted with the building of T2 items, i know why they cost so much, theyre a PITA to make...
It was like 9 of them, and 1 was a Sabre. It was substantial however it is completely insignificant in comparison to the income dysprosium moons are churning out these days, it's safe to say that any effects of that one particular act are no longer of any significance.
Originally by: Chribba tbh the ISK you make from a T2 BPO is when you sell it.
Buy a T2 BPO, make some ISK off it (generally not that much) sell it to a higher price = when you make ISK from it.
You could use that theory to say, finance a home for someone that couldn't possibly pay it back. That would never work out badly for anyone would it? At least as long as the price of the home kept rising.... they do do that right....
It's a bad investment when you face the possibility that the market will correct or worse, ccp would arbitrarily decide to remove them due to whining. When you're already past the decade mark in return of capital on many BPOs (and some have dropped in value considerably due to invention, the main ones that haven't are the larger ship BPOs). You could make more buying capital BPOs, researching them and onselling them.
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Vyktor Abyss
IONSTAR Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2008.09.26 21:26:00 -
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Originally by: Tasko Pal
Here's my take. Just get 50 billion or so and buy one. There's a lot of ways of making that much isk. While it's difficult for a single person to get that much isk, it's not a real challenge for a group of people. [ I don't see why CCP should just give you something that cost someone else 50 billion or whatever to get. You're not entitled to every flashy bit of bling just because you play the game. You got to earn it.
I can see what you're saying but you're wrong because it cost someone X amount of Research Points from an agent (some may have ran RP missions - but plenty lottery winners didn't), and if you believe that 50 Billion is not a HUGE amount of ISK to even a well organsied corp then I'm getting cheesy whiffers.
50 Billion equates to roughly (using a fairly realistic 25M / hour ratting in 0.0, after losses etc) - 2000 manhours of ratting if I've done my maths correctly, and equivalent to roughly 9 months paid subscription hours(?).
Or 10 people ratting 200 hours, 100 ratting for 20 hours assuming you could even get a corp that size to rat for that long at 100% taxrate.
- And yes I know there's some more lucraive stuff than ratting, but ratting/missions are the base earner for most people.
Whatever way you take it: 50B IS a shedload of ISK. More than most players and corps will make in their Eve lifetimes, which is exactly why there's people still irked about T2 BPOs/scandals and feeling like they are the Eve "working class".
I've kind of wandered from my point now thinking of Leo Di Fartpants in Titanic analogies, and life's what you make if it and all that jazz. But I can't really be arsed making a great analogy right now, as I've got beer to drink.
In short: I'm not inherantly entitled to the bling no, but likewise I should not have to spend years grinding NOW to achieve what took others much, much less time to achieve is the early years of EVE. That is poor game design and has never and maybe can never be put right.
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Olga Mokroff
Caldari
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Posted - 2008.09.26 22:51:00 -
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Originally by: Lord Fitz You could make more buying capital BPOs, researching them and onselling them.
that's the point... ppl are obsessed with T2 BPOs and are willing to pay for them more than they are worth. and there lies the potential profit in reselling them.
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DEATH MILF
Interstellar Brotherhood of Gravediggers Privateer Alliance
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Posted - 2008.09.26 23:34:00 -
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How do you get T2 BPO's? You gank afk shuttles and industrials and scoop the lootz!
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ScottyDosn'tKnow
Task Force Zener Atlas Alliance
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Posted - 2008.09.26 23:39:00 -
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OMG I'm so sick of this...I don't even DO invension yet but I know you just DON'T get T2 BPO's. They were part of a lottory and now they are not. If you have one keep it or sell it. Everyone else use T2 BPC or find a T2 BPO from someone who will sell.
STICKY THIS!!!!
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Tasko Pal
Heron Corporation
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Posted - 2008.09.27 02:50:00 -
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Originally by: Vyktor Abyss
In short: I'm not inherantly entitled to the bling no, but likewise I should not have to spend years grinding NOW to achieve what took others much, much less time to achieve is the early years of EVE. That is poor game design and has never and maybe can never be put right.
I fundamentally disagree with this statement. Times change and yes, I see no reason why getting the best of the t2 BPOs should be an easy affair now just because some people didn't have to work so hard a few years ago.
Further, 50 billion isk is not that hard to get if you invest what you earn from those missions. For example, if you earn 100 mil a week (a very mild earning rate) and do nothing with the isk, it'll take you almost 10 years to earn 50 billion isk. If you can earn 1% per week on that isk, the time taken drops to 3.5 years roughly. If you can earn 2% per week, it drops to 2.3 years roughly, a reasonably time frame for owning one of the best assets in the game. My take is that with an aggressive earning per week and good investment, a small group can obtain the best of t2 BPOs in around a year, a reasonable time frame.
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Clansworth
Burning Sky Labs
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Posted - 2008.09.27 05:25:00 -
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Originally by: Tasko Pal Further, 50 billion isk is not that hard to get if you invest what you earn from those missions. For example, if you earn 100 mil a week (a very mild earning rate) and do nothing with the isk, it'll take you almost 10 years to earn 50 billion isk. If you can earn 1% per week on that isk, the time taken drops to 3.5 years roughly. If you can earn 2% per week, it drops to 2.3 years roughly, a reasonably time frame for owning one of the best assets in the game. My take is that with an aggressive earning per week and good investment, a small group can obtain the best of t2 BPOs in around a year, a reasonable time frame.
And then, once you have spent the money on the BPO, you can discover (like what others have already pointed out), that because of invention's effects on the market, and the fact that Tech 2 BPO's have a fixed (and relatively slow) production rate, you could have earned a lot more isk inventing and selling a higher volume of tech 2 items with much less startup cost, INSTEAD of giving all your money to the guy who was lucky early on, and is now not making any decent money off his once great tech 2 BPO and decides to sell it for an insane amount to someone who doesn't know any better (you).
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Artemis Rose
Varion Galactic Accord Corporate Enterprise Syndicate
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Posted - 2008.09.27 14:23:00 -
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Originally by: Lord Fitz ...It's a bad investment when you face the possibility that the market will correct or worse, ccp would arbitrarily decide to remove them due to whining...
As much as the whiners would like this, the only point they can ever reliably make is "WAAAHH WAHHH I don't have one, unfair!" thus I don't think its even a remote possibility.
You never know though
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Barbicane
TGUN Industries
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Posted - 2008.09.27 16:21:00 -
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Originally by: Vyktor Abyss ...In short: I'm not inherantly entitled to the bling no, but likewise I should not have to spend years grinding NOW to achieve what took others much, much less time to achieve is the early years of EVE. That is poor game design and has never and maybe can never be put right.
Hmm... most people never got a T2 BPO despite how much time they put in grinding R&D missions in out of the way locations. And for those who did get one, it was usually a T2 ammo BPO which is worth 1-2B today. The truth is that most things in game can be achieved much much faster now than 3-4 years ago, including getting a T2 BPO. (Don't get me started talking about the countless hours my first corp spent mining to buy a 25% share in a Stabber BPO...)
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Lord Fitz
Project Amargosa
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Posted - 2008.09.27 16:58:00 -
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Originally by: Vyktor Abyss In short: I'm not inherantly entitled to the bling no, but likewise I should not have to spend years grinding NOW to achieve what took others much, much less time to achieve is the early years of EVE. That is poor game design and has never and maybe can never be put right.
It took most people years of grinding to get a T2 BPO that only sells for 1b now days. Back in the day it used to take 6-12 months to get just a battleship itself, let alone a T2 BPO. Isk is much much much easier to come across now, you only have to look at the GTC forum to see that people now have a lot more free isk than they used to. The difference is now you can grind and get something a lot more useful in a lot less time than it took people to get a T2 BPO.
The fact is that now T2 BPOs are just like the unique ships, valuable only because they are limited. And invention is only worth doing because the BPOs are limited.
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Hamarkon Isloan
Setenta Corp
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Posted - 2008.09.27 18:05:00 -
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Perhaps CCP should take the T2 BPOs out of the market database. You type in "Hammerhead II" and the item and blueprint are listed in the results. Newer players see the blueprint listing and think they actually might be available, somewhere.
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Venkul Mul
Gallente
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Posted - 2008.09.27 18:21:00 -
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Originally by: Vyktor Abyss People saying that its impossible to make a profit on a T" BPO are wrong.
The prices for most BPOs in general is still increasing.
So if you're smart you get industrial profit plus some profit if/when you come to sell it again.
The sad thing is that these items are selling for upto 50 Billion ISK, which is a disheartening price to almost all but T2 BPO holders.
I've felt for a few years now I am a second class Eve citazen since I can't play the megabucks game, and it disheartens me a bit knowing that while I grind hour on hour ratting/missioning or whatever to make enough to buy a T2 PVP ship, others are making billions that same hour simply by having joined the game at an earlier date and gotten lucky on the lottery and having their BPO appreciate in value & churn out ships selling them over the odds to dumb sods like me.
Its something CCP fecked up from the beginning and still have not got right, but it is to core to the game to change really.
And yes I'm aware I could become a corp thief/sucide pirate or whatever to get a T2 BPO but really, it doesn't mask the rotten stench of poor game design for me.
I have made plenty of billions inventing and I am capable of doing the math about T2 BPO production. I would not sink billions in something with so little return.
"The prices for most BPOs in general is still increasing." is exactly the kind of mentality that has got us the current situation with the USA and planetary economy. "Price are rising and money is cheap, we can create money from in air". First or later the bubble explode and you are left with a big hole in the wallet.
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Venkul Mul
Gallente
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Posted - 2008.09.27 18:44:00 -
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Originally by: Vyktor Abyss
In short: I'm not inherantly entitled to the bling no, but likewise I should not have to spend years grinding NOW to achieve what took others much, much less time to achieve is the early years of EVE. That is poor game design and has never and maybe can never be put right.
Let's see: 2 T2 ammunition BPO. To get them: train 5 characters to have 5 R&D agents, standing 8+ in 7 corporation at a time when you could not share standing bonus, do missions for increase RP when those missions were requiring the most strange items (from planetary cars to science graduate), pay 2 subscription for 1 year each, a third for 6 months, wait till the last BPO lottery start without knowing if it will start. You are really right, I got them without any work.
BTW: you started 6 months before me. You had the possibility to participate to 2 lotteries, not one. So why you didn't trained the science skills?
Was too much of a gamble doing it instead of training the combat skills? Not convenient losing some month of combat skills for a chance to a T2 BPO?
And when invention started was it too hard to train for it? As soon as it picked up speed it was easy to get several billions/month whit minimal work.
You had as much possibilities as most other people, simply you decided that other activities were better suited to you.
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Vyktor Abyss
IONSTAR Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2008.09.27 22:36:00 -
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Here's an annoying little Americanism for you: To Assume makes an ASS out of U and ME.
Ho ho ho. I hate that phrase too, but well I also hate a lot of Americans. I never asked if you're American did I? But I could assume it and make a post about it couldn't I? Though then I may see that little phrase again...hmmm...Oh no, What to do?
My point is anyway that you're assuming too much about me Venkul.
I trained all the science skills very early and spent all my early ISK on Research Project Management which seemed to cost a fortune at the time. I wanted to be an Archeologist/Researcher when I started my own corp - I posted lots of lovely ideas, and gave much feedback to CCP on these areas of the game. I eve trained up Hacking/Archeology skills and was waiting for COSMOS 2.0 and other promised industrial improvements but what a waste this turned out to be...Those Sleeper, Yang Jung items etc
I never did get lucky on the lottery though I actually think it was a good thing having the "chance" to get lucky. The lottery actually kept me excited logging in to see if I'd had the agent mail - I never did.
I founded an industrial corp and my co-founder did get lucky a couple of times and we had our bit of fun building some T2 and stuff like the first Hyperions ever in Eve. We also used to collect COSMOS BPCs, all the T1 BPOs and when invention/exploration came out, we made a chunk of ISK on T2 rigs etc, but well I was very sorry to see the lottery go - at least with the possibility of more T2 BPOs being seeded it kept the value of the BPOs from skyrocketing like it has today since they are "unique".
So your assumptions about me not knowing Industry, having no science skills are very wrong bud.
If anything I'm more of a bored industrialist turned PVPer. I can invent and build everything T2 I need personally with my skills, but dont see the point much now when it is all there on the market at build cost from invention - which could be claimed as a triumph for CCP, and surely is... but we weren't talking about invention were we? Good for you if you've done well from it.
Anyway, now that you know me better perhaps you wont assume I'm a typical NERF/BOOST T2 BPOs poster.
I've seen both sides of the argument, it was a very complex system CCP made in the beginning and I actually dont blame them for problems arising with T2 industry. I dont hate the T2 BPO owners (some of whom I'm friends with), I dont whine about invention being "poor mans T2 manufacturing" - It has pros and cons like everything else in Eve.
All I was saying originally is that I find it disheartening that the T2 BPOs are worth as much as they are by sheer demand. CCP need to look at this demand closely and work on better designing the game further (more than just invention) to cater for this demand and make the game more "fair".
Tough job for anyone to do, but well I'm an ASS too so I'll ASSUME CCP has it covered and it will be arriving Soon(tm).
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Venkul Mul
Gallente
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Posted - 2008.09.28 06:45:00 -
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Originally by: Vyktor Abyss In short: I'm not inherantly entitled to the bling no, but likewise I should not have to spend years grinding NOW to achieve what took others much, much less time to achieve is the early years of EVE. That is poor game design and has never and maybe can never be put right.
Originally by: Vyktor Abyss I trained all the science skills very early and spent all my early ISK on Research Project Management which seemed to cost a fortune at the time. I wanted to be an Archeologist/Researcher when I started my own corp - I posted lots of lovely ideas, and gave much feedback to CCP on these areas of the game. I eve trained up Hacking/Archeology skills and was waiting for COSMOS 2.0 and other promised industrial improvements but what a waste this turned out to be...Those Sleeper, Yang Jung items etc
Your first phrase is very strange for someone that know what was required for a chance to get a BPO. Maybe it was only a bitter moment that made you say that, but you do know that to get a T2 BPO from the lottery it required years of grinding. It was not year of grinding on 1 character, but it required multiple character and account time and grinding for all ot them.
Sure someone got lucky and got one easily, but to get a reasonable chance you had to grind a lot. Exactly as today. In the past you had to dedicate plenty of training and grind standing to get a chance, today you have to do a lot of work to rise the cash trough market, mission running or ratting.
"A BPO cost 50 billions". Seriously, what is your idea, to start with a Hulk BPO? With your age you should have several billions in assets. Convert some of them in isk and buy a fairly priced T2 BPO, produce from it and try to resell it as long as the price is still increasing. Rinse and repeat. If you do it well you should get the isk for a good ship T2 BPO in some months.
All depend on your ability to play the market, some people has demonstrated (doing it) that is possible to get to 1 billion isk in 1 month starting with a new character and without help from the other characters or other players.
Sure, doing it is a risk, as I feel that the current T2 BPO prices are heavily inflated and that the bubble will burst first or later, But it can be done without years of grinding, if you are good at it.
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SystemaX1
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Posted - 2008.09.28 12:48:00 -
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Originally by: gruktor
Originally by: Lord Fitz You can only get one from another player willing to sell one, as a result they sell for far more than they are worth.
QFT.
The BPO market is really skewed right now, and the only way to get the good BPO's is to throw alot of money around.
But then you have the fun way cargo scanner your bound to run into someone with a BPO or a BPC thats if you have the patients to do that and hang around in low sec for awhile
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Tasko Pal
Heron Corporation
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Posted - 2008.09.28 17:51:00 -
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Originally by: SystemaX1
Originally by: gruktor
Originally by: Lord Fitz You can only get one from another player willing to sell one, as a result they sell for far more than they are worth.
QFT.
The BPO market is really skewed right now, and the only way to get the good BPO's is to throw alot of money around.
But then you have the fun way cargo scanner your bound to run into someone with a BPO or a BPC thats if you have the patients to do that and hang around in low sec for awhile
You're doing it wrong. The proper way to scan cargo in low sec is to loot the wreck.
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Brenten007IND
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Posted - 2008.10.07 23:14:00 -
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Simple, buy the t1 BPO and then research invention/inventing. Make sure you have the skills and material for it and run it in a research slot.
All the t1 BPO can be bought by NPC and they are the cheepest your going to get. Unless someone is willing to sell it for less then the NPC price.
I think you can also do it with BPC but im not sure about it.
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