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Sverige Pahis
Thunderwaffe Goonswarm Federation
906
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Posted - 2012.03.29 04:03:00 -
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have our votes back please tia
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T' Elk
Happy Little Spaceships
285
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Posted - 2012.03.29 04:03:00 -
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Lol. ~As of 3.25.12, The Elk has officially returned to EVE. |
Judge Solace
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
4
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Posted - 2012.03.29 04:04:00 -
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Of course, you already have them, nicely ready for CSM8, enjoy. |
Serene Repose
Perkone Caldari State
434
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Posted - 2012.03.29 04:04:00 -
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Why? You didn't have to waste the vote like you did.
Smokestack lightnin' shinin' just like gold. |
Aiden Andraste
State War Academy Caldari State
143
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Posted - 2012.03.29 04:07:00 -
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10000 opinions have been silenced. CCP needs to fix it or just scrap the CSM. |
Heimatar Auctioneer
Republic University Minmatar Republic
633
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Posted - 2012.03.29 04:10:00 -
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Aiden Andraste wrote:10000 opinions have been silenced. CCP needs to fix it or just scrap the CSM.
Yes silenced by the complete incompetence of your own representative that you used your precious vote to vote with.
Stop crying like a baby and move on. You should be VASTLY CONTENT that he isn't banned permanently. |
Logix42
Midnight Elites Echelon Rising
43
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Posted - 2012.03.29 04:11:00 -
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Agreed. CSM 7 needs to be scrapped or a complete revote done. Nullifying half the votes is not a trivial matter Accelerate your particles out of my system immediately! |
Jake Warbird
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
118
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Posted - 2012.03.29 04:13:00 -
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Umad? |
Nicolo da'Vicenza
Divine Power. Cascade Imminent
577
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Posted - 2012.03.29 04:14:00 -
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a wrong must be righted - fon revedhort for csm chairman |
adam smash
University of Caille Gallente Federation
21
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Posted - 2012.03.29 04:14:00 -
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So let me get this right say you all 10k voted for guys who did not win that makes it not a waste... but a waste of the guy you voted for... did something that got him removed?
Drugs, bad for you. |
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Macon Chalaise
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
24
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Posted - 2012.03.29 04:15:00 -
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Sverige Pahis wrote:have our votes back please tia
Why?
Nixon was the peoples choice here in the US.
He resigned. No one was disenfranchised. There was no "re-vote."
True story. Here's to fire. Not the fast and furious kind that burns down shacks and shanties, but the slow, seductive kind that takes down pants and panties - Irish Toast |
RougeOperator
Autocannons Anonymous Late Night Alliance
520
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Posted - 2012.03.29 04:16:00 -
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Aiden Andraste wrote:10000 opinions have been silenced. CCP needs to fix it or just scrap the CSM.
If the Mittens was the opinions you wanted represented then thank god for small miracles.
Space wizards are real, they can make 10058 votes vanish into thin air. |
Nicolo da'Vicenza
Divine Power. Cascade Imminent
578
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Posted - 2012.03.29 04:16:00 -
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yeah you voted for a guy who declined the spot of CSM chairman
next time vote more wisely |
Markus Reese
Debitum Naturae ROMANIAN-LEGION
51
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Posted - 2012.03.29 04:16:00 -
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I would not support the push for it because of all the:
"10000 people have voted, don't whine because of what you got" Posts that were put up over and over and over again, so usually I am civil, but in this case:
10000 people have voted, don't whine because of what you got |
Aiden Andraste
State War Academy Caldari State
144
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Posted - 2012.03.29 04:17:00 -
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Heimatar Auctioneer wrote:Aiden Andraste wrote:10000 opinions have been silenced. CCP needs to fix it or just scrap the CSM. Yes silenced by the complete incompetence of your own representative that you used your precious vote to vote with. Stop crying like a baby and move on. You should be VASTLY CONTENT that he isn't banned permanently. You should be content that your government allows you outside to contribute to your society with such terribad logic rattling around your brainpan. |
Headerman
Quovis CORE Alliance
812
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Posted - 2012.03.29 04:20:00 -
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WTB: Moar tears The Apostle : I want a kangeroo Captain Kirk : Silly Austrians Sarmatiko : Let me guess: you're from US? Captain Kirk : Yeah Riverside IA - why? |
Amity Lane
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
117
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Posted - 2012.03.29 04:21:00 -
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You voted for somebody.
They won that election.
They did something that got themselves removed from office.
You don't just get a do-over because your candidate messed up. Perhaps you should've researched your candidate more closely prior to voting.
If anything, your anger should be directed at your candidate, not CCP or "pubbies" or whatever scapegoat you choose. He's the one who effectively wasted your votes through his actions. |
Jake Warbird
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
118
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Posted - 2012.03.29 04:22:00 -
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Aiden Andraste wrote:Heimatar Auctioneer wrote:Aiden Andraste wrote:10000 opinions have been silenced. CCP needs to fix it or just scrap the CSM. Yes silenced by the complete incompetence of your own representative that you used your precious vote to vote with. Stop crying like a baby and move on. You should be VASTLY CONTENT that he isn't banned permanently. You should be content that your government allows you outside to contribute to your society with such terribad logic rattling around your brainpan. Quoting epic goonpost. lawl |
Headerman
Quovis CORE Alliance
812
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Posted - 2012.03.29 04:24:00 -
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Aiden Andraste wrote:Heimatar Auctioneer wrote:Aiden Andraste wrote:10000 opinions have been silenced. CCP needs to fix it or just scrap the CSM. Yes silenced by the complete incompetence of your own representative that you used your precious vote to vote with. Stop crying like a baby and move on. You should be VASTLY CONTENT that he isn't banned permanently. You should be content that your government allows you outside to contribute to your society with such terribad logic rattling around your brainpan.
The thought and opinions of alts, especially goon alts, don't count. The Apostle : I want a kangeroo Captain Kirk : Silly Austrians Sarmatiko : Let me guess: you're from US? Captain Kirk : Yeah Riverside IA - why? |
MotherMoon
Huang Yinglong White-Lotus
500
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Posted - 2012.03.29 04:26:00 -
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Again, note the man him self agrees with CCP, and yet, his loyal fans won't wake up to the fact that he doesn't want them fighting for him. |
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RougeOperator
Autocannons Anonymous Late Night Alliance
520
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Posted - 2012.03.29 04:27:00 -
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MotherMoon wrote:Again, note the man him self agrees with CCP, and yet, his loyal fans won't wake up to the fact that he doesn't want them fighting for him.
You should listen to the recording where he says yeah im sincere and sorry. Lets test the waters, oh and keep shitposting on the forums guys.
Yeah.... Space wizards are real, they can make 10058 votes vanish into thin air. |
Radelix Cisko
The Adjustment Team
42
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Posted - 2012.03.29 04:28:00 -
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Goon/Goon alt/goon friend tears....best tears
Also I await another threadnought |
Veshta Yoshida
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
52
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Posted - 2012.03.29 04:29:00 -
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Aiden Andraste wrote:10000 opinions have been silenced. CCP needs to fix it or just scrap the CSM. Average account number per person in null is 2.something[, assuming some plexed an extra for the election you are at best looking at just over 3k opinions ...
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Xercodo
Disturbed Friends Of Diazepam Dark Matter Coalition
983
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Posted - 2012.03.29 04:29:00 -
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Tell that to the 100s of 1000s of Americans that voted Bush....twice The Drake is a Lie |
Amity Lane
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
120
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Posted - 2012.03.29 04:31:00 -
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MotherMoon wrote:Again, note the man him self agrees with CCP (snip) Debatable. In his little speech to his Alliance, he states that CCP has "thrown him under the bus".
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MotherMoon
Huang Yinglong White-Lotus
500
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Posted - 2012.03.29 04:33:00 -
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RougeOperator wrote:MotherMoon wrote:Again, note the man him self agrees with CCP, and yet, his loyal fans won't wake up to the fact that he doesn't want them fighting for him. You should listen to the recording where he says yeah im sincere and sorry. Lets test the waters, oh and keep shitposting on the forums guys. Yeah....
Yeah and? He loves seeing the drama, but he knows what CCP is doing is right. He actually made up the plan to quit the CSM on his own. plus i bet he loves the attention. Love the guy by the way : ) and I'm confident this isn't the last time we see him on a stage talking to eve players. |
Aiden Andraste
State War Academy Caldari State
144
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Posted - 2012.03.29 04:38:00 -
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Amity Lane wrote:MotherMoon wrote:Again, note the man him self agrees with CCP (snip) Debatable. In his little speech to his Alliance, he states that CCP has "thrown him under the bus". The speech clearly illustrates that The Mittani is wounded that CCP would pin him to a cross just to make a statement of "SEE GUYS?! WE DONT CONDONE PEOPLE SAYING KILL YOURSELF!!!" to the rest of the world.
Regardless of this throwing under the bus being right or wrong, 10000 votes were also simultaneously tossed in the garbage can. Unless the 10000 votes are allowed to be recast, this means that we as players do not actually have an effect on the CSM and can be disregarded at any time when it is convenient for CCP to do so.
TLDR: CSM is a free ticket to iceland and irrelevant. |
MotherMoon
Huang Yinglong White-Lotus
500
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Posted - 2012.03.29 04:39:00 -
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Amity Lane wrote:MotherMoon wrote:Again, note the man him self agrees with CCP (snip) Debatable. In his little speech to his Alliance, he states that CCP has "thrown him under the bus".
Right, because they did xD but he knows it had to be done. he doesn't blame them for ti, he blames the booze.
CCP really came down hard, but he was expected it once he saw what he said. He knew was he would of done if he was in thier position. And it's mostly a PR thing.
edit: ahhh, what the heck, I'm down for the recount. just like the 10,000 place their bets for the new head of the CSM. that's fair. |
Amity Lane
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
122
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Posted - 2012.03.29 04:48:00 -
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Aiden Andraste wrote:Amity Lane wrote:MotherMoon wrote:Again, note the man him self agrees with CCP (snip) Debatable. In his little speech to his Alliance, he states that CCP has "thrown him under the bus". The speech clearly illustrates that The Mittani is wounded that CCP would pin him to a cross just to make a statement of "SEE GUYS?! WE DONT CONDONE PEOPLE SAYING KILL YOURSELF!!!" to the rest of the world. Regardless of this throwing under the bus being right or wrong, 10000 votes were also simultaneously tossed in the garbage can. Unless the 10000 votes are allowed to be recast, this means that we as players do not actually have an effect on the CSM and can be disregarded at any time when it is convenient for CCP to do so. TLDR: CSM is a free ticket to iceland and irrelevant. Ok. I'll give this one last go, but it's frustrating when you keep presenting logical arguments only for the person you're debating to essentially plug their ears and go "I refuse to listen, and will instead regurgitate my same flawed logic near-verbatim".
10,000+ votes were counted. Mittani won. That's why he had a position to be removed from. The voices were heard...that's how we know how many of them there were. They were counted, not "disregarded".
Mittani won the CSM7 election.Nobody is debating that.
His own conduct, however, led to his removal from that position. Post-election. He will now be replaced by an alternate, which is exactly why they're there in the first place.
TL;DR: You voted for someone who got themselves thrown out of office, and now have to live with the consequences of that choice.
Leaving this topic to other people to debate now, because after this I can't explain it any more clearly. |
Mistress Lilu
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
80
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Posted - 2012.03.29 04:49:00 -
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no. move along |
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RougeOperator
Autocannons Anonymous Late Night Alliance
525
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Posted - 2012.03.29 04:51:00 -
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Amity Lane wrote:MotherMoon wrote:Again, note the man him self agrees with CCP (snip) Debatable. In his little speech to his Alliance, he states that CCP has "thrown him under the bus".
Hes full of double talk and double think. Not a shock.
Space wizards are real, they can make 10058 votes vanish into thin air. |
RougeOperator
Autocannons Anonymous Late Night Alliance
525
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Posted - 2012.03.29 04:53:00 -
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MotherMoon wrote:Amity Lane wrote:MotherMoon wrote:Again, note the man him self agrees with CCP (snip) Debatable. In his little speech to his Alliance, he states that CCP has "thrown him under the bus". Right, because they did xD but he knows it had to be done. he doesn't blame them for ti, he blames the booze. CCP really came down hard, but he was expected it once he saw what he said. He knew was he would of done if he was in thier position. And it's mostly a PR thing. edit: ahhh, what the heck, I'm down for the recount. just like the 10,000 place their bets for the new head of the CSM. that's fair.
A lot of out of game people im talking to think he got off light.
And after listening to his goonswarm speech. I kinda agree with them.
Still Im happy CCP took action so I bought some pelx and used some aurum even though im against the NEX store I gave them money for doing something right. Space wizards are real, they can make 10058 votes vanish into thin air. |
Aiden Andraste
State War Academy Caldari State
145
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Posted - 2012.03.29 04:59:00 -
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Amity Lane wrote:Ok. I'll give this one last go, but it's frustrating when you keep presenting logical arguments only for the person you're debating to essentially plug their ears and go "I refuse to listen, and will instead regurgitate my same flawed logic near-verbatim".
10,000+ votes were counted. Mittani won. That's why he had a position to be removed from. The voices were heard...that's how we know how many of them there were. They were counted, not "disregarded".
Mittani won the CSM7 election.Nobody is debating that.
His own conduct, however, led to his removal from that position. Post-election. He will now be replaced by an alternate, which is exactly why they're there in the first place.
TL;DR: You voted for someone who got themselves thrown out of office, and now have to live with the consequences of that choice.
Leaving this topic to other people to debate now, because after this I can't explain it any more clearly. The important bit that you and everyone in this thread keeps missing is in your TLDR: You voted for someone who got themselves thrown out of office, and now have to live with the consequences of that choice.
I voted for someone who got thrown out, yes. I at the same time do not have to 'live with the consequences' as you put it. I can request for CCP to either reinstate Mittens as a regular member of the CSM, allow the 10000 to revote or have an entire redo of the CSM process. Your opinion is that I should just ~deal wit it~ and mine is that 10000 voices were silenced. We have different opinions and the CSM is cheapened by it. You deal with it. |
Aiden Andraste
State War Academy Caldari State
145
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Posted - 2012.03.29 05:01:00 -
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RougeOperator wrote:Amity Lane wrote:MotherMoon wrote:Again, note the man him self agrees with CCP (snip) Debatable. In his little speech to his Alliance, he states that CCP has "thrown him under the bus". Hes full of double talk and double think. Not a shock. Easy to crucify a man from behind the anonymity of the internet. Get thrilled in a fire. |
Poetic Stanziel
Major Kong Freight
787
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Posted - 2012.03.29 05:03:00 -
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from CSM Revote - It's a CSM Decision, Not a CCP Decision
There are now calls for a revote from many in the community. Most feel, that with 10000 votes now invalidated, that any person that assumes the Chair, that they do not hold a mandate for that position. That's a valid argument to make.
(From what has been coming out of the CSM, none of the current top six members are particularly eager to assume the Chair. Because they lack a mandate, to do so would likely be political suicide in future CSMs.)
Most of the calls are for CCP to invalidate the previous election, to run a new election. The problem is that the decision is not one that CCP can make. They have their CSM rules in place. Someone resigns or is given the boot, someone else assumes their position. In this case, position fifteen makes it into CSM7, since CSM7 has yet to begin.
The only people who can make a strong statement for a reelection would be the current CSM. All thirteen members would need to resign enmasse.
If that were to happen, then CCP has three choices:
- Select for the CSM the next fourteen candidates. This would likely not be a popular choice, and the riots we saw last summer would be dwarfed by the riots we would see if this were to happen.
- Spend two weeks and run a new, quickie election. This is no skin off CCP's back. Reset the election software, activate it again. It's not like it costs CCP any money.
- Disband the CSM for the 2012-2013 campaign year. Again, this would not be a popular choice.
CCP's only logical option would be to go with the second choice.
There's likely no danger to the current candidates (except Issler Dainze.) Every candidate that got elected, should get elected again. There might be some minor shuffling of positions. Of course, Trebor will lose another night of sleep, EVEmails will need to be sent out again.
The benefit to the current candidates is that a clear mandate for the chair will emerge -- likely whoever replaces The Mittani as the CFC candidate. Also of benefit, Issler Dainze will not get re-elected, someone more worthy and willing to participate on the CCP/CSM Skype channel would replace her.
I see little downside to any of the thirteen remaining CSM members if they were to resign with the express purpose of forcing CCP to rerun the CSM7 election. Only twelve will resign (Issler won't), but that should be enough of a message to force CCP's hand on the issue.
Personally, I don't care either way. I think Two Step would make for a fine CSM Chair, and over the course of the term, I believe any initial ill will would fade. In the end people would agree that he did a fine job in the role. The STAIN Travel Bookmark Collection - 451 Bookmarks |
RougeOperator
Autocannons Anonymous Late Night Alliance
528
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Posted - 2012.03.29 05:05:00 -
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Poetic Stanziel wrote:from CSM Revote - It's a CSM Decision, Not a CCP DecisionThere are now calls for a revote from many in the community. Most feel, that with 10000 votes now invalidated, that any person that assumes the Chair, that they do not hold a mandate for that position. That's a valid argument to make. (From what has been coming out of the CSM, none of the current top six members are particularly eager to assume the Chair. Because they lack a mandate, to do so would likely be political suicide in future CSMs.) Most of the calls are for CCP to invalidate the previous election, to run a new election. The problem is that the decision is not one that CCP can make. They have their CSM rules in place. Someone resigns or is given the boot, someone else assumes their position. In this case, position fifteen makes it into CSM7, since CSM7 has yet to begin. The only people who can make a strong statement for a reelection would be the current CSM. All thirteen members would need to resign enmasse. If that were to happen, then CCP has three choices: - Select for the CSM the next fourteen candidates. This would likely not be a popular choice, and the riots we saw last summer would be dwarfed by the riots we would see if this were to happen.
- Spend two weeks and run a new, quickie election. This is no skin off CCP's back. Reset the election software, activate it again. It's not like it costs CCP any money.
- Disband the CSM for the 2012-2013 campaign year. Again, this would not be a popular choice.
CCP's only logical option would be to go with the second choice. There's likely no danger to the current candidates (except Issler Dainze.) Every candidate that got elected, should get elected again. There might be some minor shuffling of positions. Of course, Trebor will lose another night of sleep, EVEmails will need to be sent out again. The benefit to the current candidates is that a clear mandate for the chair will emerge -- likely whoever replaces The Mittani as the CFC candidate. Also of benefit, Issler Dainze will not get re-elected, someone more worthy and willing to participate on the CCP/CSM Skype channel would replace her. I see little downside to any of the thirteen remaining CSM members if they were to resign with the express purpose of forcing CCP to rerun the CSM7 election. Only twelve will resign (Issler won't), but that should be enough of a message to force CCP's hand on the issue. Personally, I don't care either way. I think Two Step would make for a fine CSM Chair, and over the course of the term, I believe any initial ill will would fade. In the end people would agree that he did a fine job in the role.
Sorry mate, the election is over.
they voted for a guy that got himself booted. There are alternates for a reason.
Cry me a river. Space wizards are real, they can make 10058 votes vanish into thin air. |
Beekeeper Bob
Beekeepers Anonymous
27
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Posted - 2012.03.29 05:05:00 -
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Sverige Pahis wrote:have our votes back please tia
Well you did spend a lot of Moongoo plex on all thosse accounts, it's only fair that you get something back....
Looking to stamp out apiphobia in my lifetime..... |
Aiden Andraste
State War Academy Caldari State
145
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Posted - 2012.03.29 05:07:00 -
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Poetic Stanziel wrote:Important stuff Sorry, poetic, trying to reduce pyramid quoting. I cant think of any time I have ever agreed with you and until that post, I always thought you a terrible troll. Thank you for proving me wrong. What you said times a ******* million. |
Aiden Andraste
State War Academy Caldari State
145
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Posted - 2012.03.29 05:10:00 -
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RougeOperator wrote:Sorry mate, the election is over.
they voted for a guy that got himself booted. There are alternates for a reason.
Cry me a river. Bad poster above supports the movement to revote! Thank you, kind sir. |
Poetic Stanziel
Major Kong Freight
789
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Posted - 2012.03.29 05:14:00 -
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RougeOperator wrote:Poetic Stanziel wrote:from CSM Revote - It's a CSM Decision, Not a CCP DecisionThere are now calls for a revote from many in the community. Most feel, that with 10000 votes now invalidated, that any person that assumes the Chair, that they do not hold a mandate for that position. That's a valid argument to make. (From what has been coming out of the CSM, none of the current top six members are particularly eager to assume the Chair. Because they lack a mandate, to do so would likely be political suicide in future CSMs.) Most of the calls are for CCP to invalidate the previous election, to run a new election. The problem is that the decision is not one that CCP can make. They have their CSM rules in place. Someone resigns or is given the boot, someone else assumes their position. In this case, position fifteen makes it into CSM7, since CSM7 has yet to begin. The only people who can make a strong statement for a reelection would be the current CSM. All thirteen members would need to resign enmasse. If that were to happen, then CCP has three choices: - Select for the CSM the next fourteen candidates. This would likely not be a popular choice, and the riots we saw last summer would be dwarfed by the riots we would see if this were to happen.
- Spend two weeks and run a new, quickie election. This is no skin off CCP's back. Reset the election software, activate it again. It's not like it costs CCP any money.
- Disband the CSM for the 2012-2013 campaign year. Again, this would not be a popular choice.
CCP's only logical option would be to go with the second choice. There's likely no danger to the current candidates (except Issler Dainze.) Every candidate that got elected, should get elected again. There might be some minor shuffling of positions. Of course, Trebor will lose another night of sleep, EVEmails will need to be sent out again. The benefit to the current candidates is that a clear mandate for the chair will emerge -- likely whoever replaces The Mittani as the CFC candidate. Also of benefit, Issler Dainze will not get re-elected, someone more worthy and willing to participate on the CCP/CSM Skype channel would replace her. I see little downside to any of the thirteen remaining CSM members if they were to resign with the express purpose of forcing CCP to rerun the CSM7 election. Only twelve will resign (Issler won't), but that should be enough of a message to force CCP's hand on the issue. Personally, I don't care either way. I think Two Step would make for a fine CSM Chair, and over the course of the term, I believe any initial ill will would fade. In the end people would agree that he did a fine job in the role. Sorry mate, the election is over. they voted for a guy that got himself booted. There are alternates for a reason. Cry me a river. That is, of course, what will happen. That's the completely valid and logical route for CCP to take. Now, if the entire new CSM were to resign, then that changes the options for CCP.
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Amity Lane
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
122
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Posted - 2012.03.29 05:23:00 -
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Poetic Stanziel wrote:That is, of course, what will happen. That's the completely valid and logical route for CCP to take. Now, if the entire new CSM were to resign, then that changes the options for CCP.
It's an interesting prospect. I doubt that re-running the election would be 100% free from CCP's standpoint (it will at the very least cost a few man-hours), but it's a thought.
This of course hinges on 13 e-Politicians being able to 1. Unanimously agree on something and 2. Have that agreement be to give up their own position and hope they can repeat their election success...a prospect that seems daunting if not impossible.
It does kind of undermine the whole concept though. "Well, we don't like the rules in place for replacing a lost member so we're just all gonna quit and make you do it over".
I don't know. We'll see how it plays out, I guess. |
YuuKnow
171
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Posted - 2012.03.29 05:29:00 -
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I give this thread
1/10 |
Aiden Andraste
State War Academy Caldari State
146
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Posted - 2012.03.29 05:31:00 -
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Amity Lane wrote:Poetic Stanziel wrote:That is, of course, what will happen. That's the completely valid and logical route for CCP to take. Now, if the entire new CSM were to resign, then that changes the options for CCP.
It's an interesting prospect. I doubt that re-running the election would be 100% free from CCP's standpoint (it will at the very least cost a few man-hours), but it's a thought. This of course hinges on 13 e-Politicians being able to 1. Unanimously agree on something and 2. Have that agreement be to give up their own position and hope they can repeat their election success...a prospect that seems daunting if not impossible. It does kind of undermine the whole concept though. "Well, we don't like the rules in place for replacing a lost member so we're just all gonna quit and make you do it over". I don't know. We'll see how it plays out, I guess. So when I say it, I'm bad at logic and should go away. But when Poetic writes a blog about it, its suddenly a good idea? ::psyexplode:: |
RougeOperator
Autocannons Anonymous Late Night Alliance
534
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Posted - 2012.03.29 05:33:00 -
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Amity Lane wrote:Poetic Stanziel wrote:That is, of course, what will happen. That's the completely valid and logical route for CCP to take. Now, if the entire new CSM were to resign, then that changes the options for CCP.
It's an interesting prospect. I doubt that re-running the election would be 100% free from CCP's standpoint (it will at the very least cost a few man-hours), but it's a thought. This of course hinges on 13 e-Politicians being able to 1. Unanimously agree on something and 2. Have that agreement be to give up their own position and hope they can repeat their election success...a prospect that seems daunting if not impossible. It does kind of undermine the whole concept though. "Well, we don't like the rules in place for replacing a lost member so we're just all gonna quit and make you do it over". I don't know. We'll see how it plays out, I guess.
They are acting like whiny babies.
and for a moment i hurd 10k goons cry out, then silence Space wizards are real, they can make 10058 votes vanish. "and for a moment i hurd 10k goons cry out, then silence"-á |
Macon Chalaise
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
26
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Posted - 2012.03.29 05:33:00 -
[45] - Quote
Amity Lane wrote:Poetic Stanziel wrote:That is, of course, what will happen. That's the completely valid and logical route for CCP to take. Now, if the entire new CSM were to resign, then that changes the options for CCP.
It's an interesting prospect. I doubt that re-running the election would be 100% free from CCP's standpoint (it will at the very least cost a few man-hours), but it's a thought. This of course hinges on 13 e-Politicians being able to 1. Unanimously agree on something and 2. Have that agreement be to give up their own position and hope they can repeat their election success...a prospect that seems daunting if not impossible. It does kind of undermine the whole concept though. "Well, we don't like the rules in place for replacing a lost member so we're just all gonna quit and make you do it over". I don't know. We'll see how it plays out, I guess.
There is no reason to have a new election just because one person chose to be silly in a venue that had nothing at all to do with the CSM directly or other elected members of the CSM.
That would be like bill clinton's presidential cabinet resigning because monica lewinsky was blowing clinton under his desk.
They simply aren't that related. Here's to fire. Not the fast and furious kind that burns down shacks and shanties, but the slow, seductive kind that takes down pants and panties - Irish Toast |
Poetic Stanziel
Major Kong Freight
789
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Posted - 2012.03.29 05:35:00 -
[46] - Quote
Aiden Andraste wrote:So when I say it, I'm bad at logic and should go away. But when Poetic writes a blog about it, its suddenly a good idea? ::psyexplode:: Maybe I should have run for the CSM. Haha. :)
The STAIN Travel Bookmark Collection - 451 Bookmarks |
Poetic Stanziel
Major Kong Freight
789
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Posted - 2012.03.29 05:37:00 -
[47] - Quote
Macon Chalaise wrote:They simply aren't that related. You are correct. POTUS and the CSM Chair are nothing at all alike. Drawing parallels is silly.
The STAIN Travel Bookmark Collection - 451 Bookmarks |
Aiden Andraste
State War Academy Caldari State
146
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Posted - 2012.03.29 05:38:00 -
[48] - Quote
Poetic Stanziel wrote:Aiden Andraste wrote:So when I say it, I'm bad at logic and should go away. But when Poetic writes a blog about it, its suddenly a good idea? ::psyexplode:: Maybe I should have run for the CSM. Haha. :) Well, with the relevancy of the CSM freshly tossed down the shitter, why the hell not? If you campaign on the promise to make even more mockery of the CSM, you have my vote. |
Davor
Merch Industrial Goonswarm Federation
4
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Posted - 2012.03.29 05:39:00 -
[49] - Quote
Serene Repose wrote:Why? You didn't have to waste the vote like you did. *voted for darious iii |
Amity Lane
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
123
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Posted - 2012.03.29 05:47:00 -
[50] - Quote
Aiden Andraste wrote:Amity Lane wrote:Poetic Stanziel wrote:That is, of course, what will happen. That's the completely valid and logical route for CCP to take. Now, if the entire new CSM were to resign, then that changes the options for CCP.
It's an interesting prospect. I doubt that re-running the election would be 100% free from CCP's standpoint (it will at the very least cost a few man-hours), but it's a thought. This of course hinges on 13 e-Politicians being able to 1. Unanimously agree on something and 2. Have that agreement be to give up their own position and hope they can repeat their election success...a prospect that seems daunting if not impossible. It does kind of undermine the whole concept though. "Well, we don't like the rules in place for replacing a lost member so we're just all gonna quit and make you do it over". I don't know. We'll see how it plays out, I guess. So when I say it, I'm bad at logic and should go away. But when Poetic writes a blog about it, its suddenly a good idea? ::psyexplode:: Please show me where I said it was a good idea.
In fact, if anything I think the tone of my post would suggest the opposite, though I was trying to be objective about the idea. |
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Florestan Bronstein
United Highsec Front The 99 Percent
487
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Posted - 2012.03.29 05:48:00 -
[51] - Quote
Poetic Stanziel wrote:]That is, of course, what will happen. That's the completely valid and logical route for CCP to take. Now, if the entire new CSM were to resign, then that changes the options for CCP.
If the entire CSM were to resign only Issler Dainze would remain... I don't think anybody would want to risk this.
Anyways there have been enough precedents for votes not getting reimbursed - Ankh who got kicked from he CSM mid term and Kalrand who withdrew his candidacy during the election (after the polls had opened) come to mind.
putting 10,000 vote into one basket instead of going for 2-3 candidates was always very risky and tbh I don't quite understand the reasons - maybe the eve public and CCP would not have reacted well to a CSM with 3 goonswarm delegates, maybe it was intended to be a show of force, maybe just a terrible misjudgment rgd the number of votes required to get chairman.
But I'm sure it will be entertaining to have the legitimacy of the CSM questioned for its entire term. |
Aiden Andraste
State War Academy Caldari State
151
|
Posted - 2012.03.29 06:00:00 -
[52] - Quote
Florestan Bronstein wrote:If the entire CSM were to resign only Issler Dainze would remain... I don't think anybody would want to risk this.
Anyways there have been enough precedents for votes not getting reimbursed - Ankh who got kicked from he CSM mid term and Kalrand who withdrew his candidacy during the election (after the polls had opened) come to mind.
putting 10,000 vote into one basket instead of going for 2-3 candidates was always very risky and tbh I don't quite understand the reasons - maybe the eve public and CCP would not have reacted well to a CSM with 3 goonswarm delegates, maybe it was intended to be a show of force, maybe just a terrible misjudgment rgd the number of votes required to get chairman.
But I'm sure it will be entertaining to have the legitimacy of the CSM questioned for its entire term. It's not like anyone on the current CSM is going to interact or care about what Issler has to say anyways. Her and D3 are those two people in a room of friends that just want to fit in.
You say that csm legitimacy will be questioned, and I say it's already questioned. The question is out there and it's up to CCP and the CSM to decide how to address it. If they try to sweep it away and ignore it, no one will take the CSM seriously again. |
Lapine Davion
Outer Ring Applied Logistics
91
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Posted - 2012.03.29 06:08:00 -
[53] - Quote
RougeOperator wrote:MotherMoon wrote:Again, note the man him self agrees with CCP, and yet, his loyal fans won't wake up to the fact that he doesn't want them fighting for him. You should listen to the recording where he says yeah im sincere and sorry. Lets test the waters, oh and keep shitposting on the forums guys. Yeah....
tbh we were gonna keep shitposting anyways. |
EI Digin
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
259
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Posted - 2012.03.29 06:08:00 -
[54] - Quote
goons arent people |
Duvida
The Scope Gallente Federation
53
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Posted - 2012.03.29 06:10:00 -
[55] - Quote
Macon Chalaise wrote:Sverige Pahis wrote:have our votes back please tia
Why? Nixon was the peoples choice here in the US. He resigned. No one was disenfranchised. There was no "re-vote." True story.
As well as Grey Davis in California in 2003, although that was a recall vote (for those wondering, that's when Arnold Schwarzenegger was voted in as Governor). Sometimes a leader shows that they can not fulfill the responsibilities of office in a satisfactory way, thus methods are provided to remove them and allow a more worthy successor in. |
Aiden Andraste
State War Academy Caldari State
154
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Posted - 2012.03.29 06:10:00 -
[56] - Quote
EI Digin wrote:goons arent people 10000 votes are meaningless |
Lexmana
Imperial Stout
325
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Posted - 2012.03.29 06:11:00 -
[57] - Quote
This CSM has no mandate. It will be the worst CSM ever. |
Kiwi Momaki
State War Academy Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2012.03.29 06:13:00 -
[58] - Quote
Obviously 10000 voters got it wrong the first time,... Suck it up. |
Aiden Andraste
State War Academy Caldari State
154
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Posted - 2012.03.29 06:13:00 -
[59] - Quote
Lexmana wrote:This CSM has no mandate. It will be the worst CSM ever. Free tickets to iceland and irrelevancy. Great job CCP. |
RougeOperator
Autocannons Anonymous Late Night Alliance
543
|
Posted - 2012.03.29 06:24:00 -
[60] - Quote
Aiden Andraste wrote:Lexmana wrote:This CSM has no mandate. It will be the worst CSM ever. Free tickets to iceland and irrelevancy. Great job CCP.
HTFU space babies. Space wizards are real, they can make 10058 votes vanish. "and for a moment i hurd 10k goons cry out, then silence"-á |
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Marlona Sky
Massive PVPness Psychotic Tendencies.
700
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Posted - 2012.03.29 06:27:00 -
[61] - Quote
No.
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Vaal Erit
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
83
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Posted - 2012.03.29 06:31:00 -
[62] - Quote
I see goonswarm is invoking the great "do-over" rule that is prevalent in all major sports, elections and competitions. |
Aiden Andraste
State War Academy Caldari State
161
|
Posted - 2012.03.29 06:57:00 -
[63] - Quote
Vaal Erit wrote:I see goonswarm is invoking the great "do-over" rule that is prevalent in all major sports, elections and competitions. Oh look, another bad comparison to RL. Never ever stop posting. |
RougeOperator
Autocannons Anonymous Late Night Alliance
552
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Posted - 2012.03.29 06:58:00 -
[64] - Quote
Aiden Andraste wrote:Vaal Erit wrote:I see goonswarm is invoking the great "do-over" rule that is prevalent in all major sports, elections and competitions. Oh look, another bad comparison to RL. Never ever stop posting.
I dont think a goon pet should be talking about mixing up real life and the game.
Just saying. Space wizards are real, they can make 10058 votes vanish. "and for a moment i hurd 10k goons cry out, then silence"-á |
Mistress Lilu
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
81
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Posted - 2012.03.29 07:00:00 -
[65] - Quote
please pick up your lost votes there -----> or here<------------------.
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Aiden Andraste
State War Academy Caldari State
161
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Posted - 2012.03.29 07:01:00 -
[66] - Quote
RougeOperator wrote:Aiden Andraste wrote:Vaal Erit wrote:I see goonswarm is invoking the great "do-over" rule that is prevalent in all major sports, elections and competitions. Oh look, another bad comparison to RL. Never ever stop posting. Hurrrrr, ohgod im a ******* terrible shitposting asshat You should really go thrill yourself for the unironic use of Just saying. |
RougeOperator
Autocannons Anonymous Late Night Alliance
552
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Posted - 2012.03.29 07:02:00 -
[67] - Quote
Aiden Andraste wrote:RougeOperator wrote:Aiden Andraste wrote:Vaal Erit wrote:I see goonswarm is invoking the great "do-over" rule that is prevalent in all major sports, elections and competitions. Oh look, another bad comparison to RL. Never ever stop posting. Hurrrrr, ohgod im a ******* terrible shitposting asshat You should really go thrill yourself for the unironic use of Just saying.
Why so mad bro?
Space wizards are real, they can make 10058 votes vanish. "and for a moment i hurd 10k goons cry out, then silence"-á |
Aiden Andraste
State War Academy Caldari State
161
|
Posted - 2012.03.29 07:07:00 -
[68] - Quote
RougeOperator wrote:Aiden Andraste wrote:RougeOperator wrote:Aiden Andraste wrote:Vaal Erit wrote:I see goonswarm is invoking the great "do-over" rule that is prevalent in all major sports, elections and competitions. Oh look, another bad comparison to RL. Never ever stop posting. Hurrrrr, ohgod im a ******* terrible shitposting asshat You should really go thrill yourself for the unironic use of Just saying. Why so mad bro? I like how you kept my edited version of your post in the quote chain. Keep on shiptoastin' |
Zoloft Rx
Forged Prophets
2
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Posted - 2012.03.29 07:09:00 -
[69] - Quote
Your votes were confiscated as evidence. |
Arcathra
Technodyne Ltd.
217
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Posted - 2012.03.29 07:11:00 -
[70] - Quote
Stop whining about your lost votes. You knew who you voted for. He "self owned" himself. Better vote someone more competent next time.
Deal with it and HTFU! |
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Aiden Andraste
State War Academy Caldari State
162
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Posted - 2012.03.29 07:25:00 -
[71] - Quote
Badposters withstanding, what say you CCP? 10000 revotes? Redo on the whole election? Give the Mittani his rightfully earned normal CSM seat back? |
Vaal Erit
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
85
|
Posted - 2012.03.29 07:45:00 -
[72] - Quote
Aiden Andraste wrote:Badposters withstanding, what say you CCP? 10000 revotes? Redo on the whole election? Give the Mittani his rightfully earned normal CSM seat back?
Ah, so you are asking for a "do-over". Hey man, you can have whatever opinion you want but I don't think that 8 year olds like yourself should be posting on the forums without adult supervision.
He rightfully earned his spot... and then rightfully lost his spot It's called consequences and HTFU and welcome to EVE I truly believe that The Mittani will get through this okay, I don't think he is a fair maiden in need of a brave knight to defend his e-honour
Other people have been kicked off the CSM and you didn't care about a "do-over" then so you are not interested in fair play. You just want a "do-over". Well maybe we can discuss this more after your nap time. |
Heet Crusher
Drunk Chaos Unprovoked Aggression
12
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Posted - 2012.03.29 07:46:00 -
[73] - Quote
You voted and alternate will take his place. Maybe next time dont be a bot and vote for who you are told to but someone who has some sense. |
Aiden Andraste
State War Academy Caldari State
163
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Posted - 2012.03.29 07:48:00 -
[74] - Quote
Vaal Erit wrote:Aiden Andraste wrote:Badposters withstanding, what say you CCP? 10000 revotes? Redo on the whole election? Give the Mittani his rightfully earned normal CSM seat back? Ah, so you are asking for a "do-over". Hey man, you can have whatever opinion you want but I don't think that 8 year olds like yourself should be posting on the forums without adult supervision. He rightfully earned his spot... and then rightfully lost his spot It's called consequences and HTFU and welcome to EVE I truly believe that The Mittani will get through this okay, I don't think he is a fair maiden in need of a brave knight to defend his e-honour Other people have been kicked off the CSM and you didn't care about a "do-over" then so you are not interested in fair play. You just want a "do-over". Well maybe we can discuss this more after your nap time. When did you start working for CCP? Yeah, to the back of the shortbus with ye badposting self. |
Aiden Andraste
State War Academy Caldari State
163
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Posted - 2012.03.29 07:49:00 -
[75] - Quote
Heet Crusher wrote:You voted and alternate will take his place. Maybe next time dont be a bot and vote for who you are told to but someone who has some sense. Can I vote for the length of time you are allowed to breathe? Hint: It wont be longer than 10 seconds. |
uwai223
Sigillum Militum Xpisti Fatal Ascension
27
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Posted - 2012.03.29 08:02:00 -
[76] - Quote
WHAR IS MAI VOTE CCP
I AM MAD! DICTATORSHIP! AAAHH! We are required by our constitution to let the voters think they have a choice. That's democracy! |
The Mittardi
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
9
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Posted - 2012.03.29 08:03:00 -
[77] - Quote
vote for me, the big mittardi*
*now with special jedi powers like obi wan kenobi Dear Goons: I will sell you this character for 50B ISK. EVE mail me if interested. |
Rico Minali
Sons Of 0din Fatal Ascension
449
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Posted - 2012.03.29 08:04:00 -
[78] - Quote
Pretty much yeah we will need a re run of candidates and a re vote. The current csm line up is now favouring people that not many people voted for. We need to re run the whole thing please. Trust me, I almost know what I'm doing. |
TuonelanOrja
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
186
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Posted - 2012.03.29 08:08:00 -
[79] - Quote
Sverige Pahis wrote:have our votes back please tia
Aaaw..so cute. Your manchild candidate took your votes with him, deal with it! Not a veteran, just bitter.. |
TuonelanOrja
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
186
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Posted - 2012.03.29 08:08:00 -
[80] - Quote
The Mittardi wrote:vote for me, the big mittardi*
*now with special jedi powers like obi wan kenobi No wizard any moar?
Not a veteran, just bitter.. |
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Markus Reese
Debitum Naturae ROMANIAN-LEGION
56
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Posted - 2012.03.29 08:12:00 -
[81] - Quote
I have been resisting this. I really have...
"The logs show nothing abnormal"
That is all, for now. |
Serene Repose
Perkone Caldari State
442
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Posted - 2012.03.29 09:34:00 -
[82] - Quote
MotherMoon wrote:Again, note the man him self agrees with CCP, and yet, his loyal fans won't wake up to the fact that he doesn't want them fighting for him. Automatons are hard to control sometimes. They just keep banging into the wall.
Smokestack lightnin' shinin' just like gold. |
malaire
301
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Posted - 2012.03.29 09:35:00 -
[83] - Quote
Sverige Pahis wrote:have our votes back please tia
You were stupid enough to vote for bad candidate - that was your mistake, use your votes better next year.
New to EVE? Don't forget to read: The Manual * The Wiki * The Career Options * and everything else |
Zowie Powers
Hole in the wall
60
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Posted - 2012.03.29 09:38:00 -
[84] - Quote
Aiden Andraste wrote:10000 opinions have been silenced. CCP needs to fix it or just scrap the CSM. 10000 misguided individuals woke up to be told the truth about their lack of integrity and thoughtlessness.
I guess that can really hurt. Think of it as a growing experience. |
Glarealot
Native Freshfood Minmatar Republic
23
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Posted - 2012.03.29 09:39:00 -
[85] - Quote
lol 10058 people voted in an incompetent fool who embarrassed himself so badly on stage after a few drinks that he was removed from his post and the game, and now they are crying because their choice sucked the first time.
HTFU. This is EVE, your choices matter and you made a bad one. |
Sasha Azala
Blood and Decay
172
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Posted - 2012.03.29 09:53:00 -
[86] - Quote
Sverige Pahis wrote:have our votes back please tia
Why should you, you voted, you got someone elected. the voting process is over.
The fact the person got themselves removed is irrelevant to your vote.
There are no constituencies in EVE therefore there is no need to replace the CSM member, it's up to CCP if they wish another CSM and that would be done as a vote to elect just one new member.
It sounds like some people want to start the whole process from scratch, it won't happen and it shouldn't happen as the remaining CSMs have done nothing to breach the ToS/EULA. |
Xayder
NED-Clan Goonswarm Federation
106
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Posted - 2012.03.29 09:53:00 -
[87] - Quote
Sverige Pahis wrote:have our votes back please tia
For 1 time, only this time, I agree with you I don't always post, But when i post I do it with my main |
Enyeto Perah
5
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Posted - 2012.03.29 10:00:00 -
[88] - Quote
No mercy for Pooswarm! |
Darius III
Interstellar eXodus BricK sQuAD.
1260
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Posted - 2012.03.29 10:18:00 -
[89] - Quote
Theres always next year guys, dont be mad.
~1282~ CCP has rededicated themselves to improving Eve and are by and large doing a terrific job at it. My personal faith in them is largely restored. I think the coming changes will revitalize Eve and bring joy to the masses. |
DelBoy Trades
Trotter Independent Traders.
317
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Posted - 2012.03.29 10:20:00 -
[90] - Quote
DON'T CRY GOONIES *HUGS* Damn nature, you scary! |
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Frying Doom
Black Thorne Corporation Black Thorne Alliance
85
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Posted - 2012.03.29 10:21:00 -
[91] - Quote
Enyeto Perah wrote:No mercy for Pooswarm! I myself am thinking of Jokeswarm or maybe failswarm. Not sure which is better because at least we have got a lot of people to laugh at now, for still being in that alliance. Any Spelling, gramatical and literary errors made by me are included free of charge. |
Richard Desturned
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
96
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Posted - 2012.03.29 10:21:00 -
[92] - Quote
Sasha Azala wrote:Sverige Pahis wrote:have our votes back please tia
Why should you, you voted, you got someone elected. the voting process is over. The fact the person got themselves removed is irrelevant to your vote. There are no constituencies in EVE therefore there is no need to replace the CSM member, it's up to CCP if they wish another CSM and that would be done as a vote to elect just one new member. It sounds like some people want to start the whole process from scratch, it won't happen and it shouldn't happen as the remaining CSMs have done nothing to breach the ToS/EULA.
I wonder why you are so opposed to it. |
Frying Doom
Black Thorne Corporation Black Thorne Alliance
85
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Posted - 2012.03.29 10:24:00 -
[93] - Quote
Richard Desturned wrote: I wonder why you are so opposed to it.
You wasted your vote, you knew what he was like. Next time just don't throw your vote away and you will be right. Any Spelling, gramatical and literary errors made by me are included free of charge. |
Sverige Pahis
Thunderwaffe Goonswarm Federation
921
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Posted - 2012.03.29 10:44:00 -
[94] - Quote
Frying Doom wrote:Richard Desturned wrote: I wonder why you are so opposed to it.
You wasted your vote, you knew what he was like. Next time just don't throw your vote away and you will be right.
get out of my thread illiterate maggot |
Vila eNorvic
University of Caille Gallente Federation
15
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Posted - 2012.03.29 10:45:00 -
[95] - Quote
Sverige Pahis wrote:have our votes back please tia You threw them away - why should you get them back? |
Ptraci
3 R Corporation The Irukandji
436
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Posted - 2012.03.29 11:40:00 -
[96] - Quote
Sverige Pahis wrote:have our votes back please ti
Nah, it's like in real life when you elect a jerk you then have to live with the consequences of having a Jerk as a leader. And if that jerk decides to commit political suicide (Nixon-style) then you have to live with #2 until the next election, too.
Moral of the story: be careful who you vote for.
And certainly if this person was the BEST candidate you all could come up with, I would hate to see who you propose as #2... |
Lady Spank
Genos Occidere HYDRA RELOADED
1989
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Posted - 2012.03.29 11:51:00 -
[97] - Quote
Dear Sverige Pahis,
I donGÇÖt no why I am writing a letter to you! I have been forced to write this letter by alcohol.
GÇÿTo be honest IGÇÖm not bothered or sorry about the fact that Mittens wasted your votes. Basicly it was yourfault anyways.
IGÇÖm going to run you through the dumb mistakes you made. Firstly you didnGÇÖt spread your 10k+ votes across several individuals in the thickheaded determination to 100% guarantee Mittens getting chairt which most people now to do before they let a sociopath make poorly thought out public statements. GÇÿSecondly your dumb you live in null sec a high risk carebear area and your thick enough to listen to your boss. I wouldnt do that in a million years.
But anyways I donGÇÖt feel sorry for you and Im not going to ShoW any Sympath or remose remores.
YourS Sincerly
Lady Spank, from Grootheese. (a¦á_a¦â) ~ http://getoutnastyface.blogspot.com/ ~ (a¦á_a¦â) |
Obsidian Dagger
Nitrus Nine
55
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Posted - 2012.03.29 12:02:00 -
[98] - Quote
This is why we need 'parties' with coherant platforms instead of just individuals. So that if a goon opens his mouth and pisses off most of the playerbase, the whole platform doesn't collapse, the party can just replace him. |
Crakachunky
Stargate SG-1 Fatal Ascension
8
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Posted - 2012.03.29 12:06:00 -
[99] - Quote
Amity Lane wrote:You voted for somebody.
They won that election.
They did something that got themselves removed from office.
You don't just get a do-over because your candidate messed up. Perhaps you should've researched your candidate more closely prior to voting.
If anything, your anger should be directed at your candidate, not CCP or "pubbies" or whatever scapegoat you choose. He's the one who effectively wasted your votes through his actions.
i bet you he was angry, then came the sincerity from mittens, you can hear the SOTG, hear his words for yourself, the situation was finished with, then CCP decided to step in and push it to far, angrering us again, but this time at the forum idiots who whine and got there way, so why can't we whine ? |
Kalathia Eginald
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
21
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Posted - 2012.03.29 12:14:00 -
[100] - Quote
If there are as I have read 300000 active accounts 10000 is around 3.3% of the total payersabase, which in the end is a drop in the ocean numbers wise. It was approximately 20% of the total votes cast.
Neither show a signifiacant victory let alone a landslide majority. This is a comment on numbers and not on whether you have had them wasted or not, just to put it in contesct with the potential electorate of the player base total.
There could be a "by election" however Mittani should not e able to stand in it given that he has stepped down and why he stepped down. In the next full cycle then there should be no bar on him standing. Though ultimately it is upto CCP what should happen next. |
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Ptraci
3 R Corporation The Irukandji
436
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Posted - 2012.03.29 12:18:00 -
[101] - Quote
Crakachunky wrote: CCP decided to step in and push it to far,
CCP pushed it too far? You realize that CCP doesn't "have to" have a CSM, right? In fact CCP is pretty much the only company I have ever heard of that will take money out of its coffers to pay to send a bunch of players on a plane trip somewhere. If CCP was my company I would be taking a long, hard look at the very idea of a CSM because it has now been proven to be a potential source of serious liability for the company. Now Hilmar will take the decision of shelving the CSM idea altogether, shelving fanfest, etc. Hopefully he will keep things as they are, but I bet you right now the idea of cancelling the whole thing is on the discussion table in the boardroom.
All thanks to one irresponsible candidate who is hiding behind the weak excuse of "too much liquor".
Yeah but it's CCP's fault for trying to accomodate players and give them a voice. Look what they did with that voice. |
Avila Cracko
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
268
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Posted - 2012.03.29 12:31:00 -
[102] - Quote
What 10 058 votes? You mean 8,447 30day alts/accounts made only for voting, and the 1611 legitimate players votes? data from: http://community.eveonline.com/devblog.asp?a=blog&nbid=28529 What 10 058 votes? You mean 8,447-á30day alts/accounts made only for voting, and the 1611 legitimate players votes? data from: http://community.eveonline.com/devblog.asp?a=blog&nbid=28529 |
Frying Doom
Black Thorne Corporation Black Thorne Alliance
100
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Posted - 2012.03.29 12:37:00 -
[103] - Quote
Sverige Pahis wrote:Frying Doom wrote:Richard Desturned wrote: I wonder why you are so opposed to it.
You wasted your vote, you knew what he was like. Next time just don't throw your vote away and you will be right. get out of my thread illiterate maggot Ah another wonderful post by a member of Jokeswarm.
You voted for the guy and hell your still in Jokeswarm, all we can really do is laugh at you. Any Spelling, gramatical and literary errors made by me are included free of charge. |
Anthemius Heb
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
9
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Posted - 2012.03.29 12:45:00 -
[104] - Quote
This 10,000 number that keeps being thrown around is silly. Pretty much everybody in this game has at least 2 accounts, especially people who play the nullsec game, so we can cut that number in half right away. But we can also go further in saying that a large number of people who voted for Mittani have several accounts, not just two. Some have 10 and many Goons will have PLEXd a new account just to make a vote, so you can probably cut the number in half again. I'd bet money on the number of individuals who voted being under 2,500, maybe way under. So stop with the "10,000 opinions have been silenced". More like 2,500 give or take, trolls all of them who publicly admit they want to ruin YOUR game. With that, I say this decision is good and right for the majority of EVE players, and the majority always comes before the minority.
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Enyeto Perah
9
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Posted - 2012.03.29 12:47:00 -
[105] - Quote
Frying Doom wrote:Enyeto Perah wrote:No mercy for Pooswarm! I myself am thinking of Jokeswarm or maybe failswarm. Not sure which is better because at least we have got a lot of people to laugh at now, for still being in that alliance.
But this way you keep the two little a-holes in the name... so fitting to that corp! http://pastebin.com/B7HCtBUE Mittani isn't sorry. He's just sorry that he got caught. He didn't step down because of his actions. He stepped down to benefit Goonswarm. He didn't apologize because he meant it. He apologized to save face. |
Deathwing Reborn
22
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Posted - 2012.03.29 12:49:00 -
[106] - Quote
Goonswarm tears.
Gatta love it. |
Nick Bison
Bison Industrial Inc Thundering Herd
76
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Posted - 2012.03.29 12:50:00 -
[107] - Quote
goons - if you send me 500M ISK I will use my influence with CCP to get you a revote.
Nothing clever at this time. |
Jake Warbird
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
165
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Posted - 2012.03.29 12:51:00 -
[108] - Quote
Heeeey didn't want the chair anywhoooo... Right?
No,wrong. |
Ivana Twinkle
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
199
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Posted - 2012.03.29 12:59:00 -
[109] - Quote
why would we want a revote? being back to a CCP sock puppet CSM is amusing too. :unsmith: |
Frying Doom
Black Thorne Corporation Black Thorne Alliance
100
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Posted - 2012.03.29 13:01:00 -
[110] - Quote
Ivana Twinkle wrote:why would we want a revote? being back to a CCP sock puppet CSM is amusing too. :unsmith: Oh so its only a real CSM if it has your embarrassment of an X-Chairman in it? Any Spelling, gramatical and literary errors made by me are included free of charge. |
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J3ssica Alba
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
275
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Posted - 2012.03.29 13:02:00 -
[111] - Quote
100 or 10000 or even 1 m votes does not give a free pass to anyone to break the law.
To the whiners :-áCCP Soundwave "Incursions are not a big issue in terms of isk globally" CCP Recurve "However, Incursions are not the biggest ISK faucet, bounties are"
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Metal Icarus
xHELLonEARTHx Rookie Empire
104
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Posted - 2012.03.29 13:03:00 -
[112] - Quote
quote "~10,000~ *smug*"
Oh man, the irony!
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Roime
Shiva Furnace
380
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Posted - 2012.03.29 13:17:00 -
[113] - Quote
Guys!
I know what happened to your votes!
Wizard Hat Tear Trick
Now proven it doesn't work with voting ballots - ask the wizard if he has the scraps still up his sleeve?
shubadibadumbambaa |
The F Word
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
39
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Posted - 2012.03.29 13:28:00 -
[114] - Quote
The swarm has found itself flaccid just before the critical time of entry. To be fair, it's not a systemic problem - they're pretty healthy overall, but an issue with the point man as it were.
He did the crime, he's going to do the time.
We might even get a little bit of high sec drama out of it, if nothing else they're going to need to do something to prove their 'rigidity' once again.
As for the rest of the CSM, they'll either man up and appoint a new chair, or clump together like a bunch of betas only to become further marginalized.
Oh, and those votes that were cast were valid... A reelection would only set a precedent for a "do over" and be beholden to some agenda. |
Kievan Arakyd
MarSec Industries STR8NGE BREW
15
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Posted - 2012.03.29 14:43:00 -
[115] - Quote
Sverige Pahis wrote:have our votes back please tia
Delicious tears. Keep em coming. |
Minabunny
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
48
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Posted - 2012.03.29 14:48:00 -
[116] - Quote
Just because the person you vote for behaves like an idiot and gets removed from his position does not mean you get to vote again. We should start to see more ice fields forming from all these tears. |
Lifelongnoob
The Motley Crew Reborn
4
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Posted - 2012.03.29 14:48:00 -
[117] - Quote
lol CCP trolled the trollers
nice one CCP |
Richard Desturned
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
97
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Posted - 2012.03.29 15:10:00 -
[118] - Quote
Already shot this down in another thread but that's 8,447 accounts that voted in the elections entirely, not for The Mittani. Also, that's 8,447 accounts that are older than 30 days, but less than 250 days old. That's a pretty wide bracket. |
Frying Doom
Black Thorne Corporation Black Thorne Alliance
102
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Posted - 2012.03.29 15:12:00 -
[119] - Quote
Richard Desturned wrote:Already shot this down in another thread but that's 8,447 accounts that voted in the elections entirely, not for The Mittani. Also, that's 8,447 accounts that are older than 30 days, but less than 250 days old. That's a pretty wide bracket. I agree lets just say 10058 votes were wasted and leave it at that. Any Spelling, gramatical and literary errors made by me are included free of charge. |
Richard Desturned
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
97
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Posted - 2012.03.29 15:13:00 -
[120] - Quote
Frying Doom wrote:I agree lets just say 10058 votes were ignored and discarded and leave it at that.
fixed your post
apparently it's alright when the big mean goonies are thrown under the bus! |
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RougeOperator
Autocannons Anonymous Late Night Alliance
595
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Posted - 2012.03.29 15:15:00 -
[121] - Quote
Ivana Twinkle wrote:why would we want a revote? being back to a CCP sock puppet CSM is amusing too. :unsmith:
yeah cause the Neville Chamberlain crap mittens came back with during incarna gate was so him not being a sock puppet.....
Cute. Space wizards are real, they can make 10058 votes vanish. "and for a moment i hurd 10k goons cry out, then silence"-á |
Sverige Pahis
Thunderwaffe Goonswarm Federation
930
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Posted - 2012.03.29 16:12:00 -
[122] - Quote
RougeOperator wrote:Ivana Twinkle wrote:why would we want a revote? being back to a CCP sock puppet CSM is amusing too. :unsmith: yeah cause the Neville Chamberlain crap mittens came back with during incarna gate was so him not being a sock puppet..... Cute.
Tell you what buddy you learn how to spell then you come back to my fine thread and **** it up |
Katja Faith
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
1
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Posted - 2012.03.29 16:22:00 -
[123] - Quote
Serene Repose wrote:Why? You didn't have to waste the vote like you did.
This. |
Katja Faith
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
1
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Posted - 2012.03.29 16:23:00 -
[124] - Quote
RougeOperator wrote:yeah cause the Neville Chamberlain crap mittens came back with during incarna gate was so him not being a sock puppet.....
What?!?!?!! |
My Neutral Toon
Knights Who Til Recently Said Ni
51
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Posted - 2012.03.29 16:24:00 -
[125] - Quote
Heimatar Auctioneer wrote:Aiden Andraste wrote:10000 opinions have been silenced. CCP needs to fix it or just scrap the CSM. Yes silenced by the complete incompetence of your own representative that you used your precious vote to vote with. Stop crying like a baby and move on. You should be VASTLY CONTENT that he isn't banned permanently.
There are no ground to perma-ban
and its a STRETCH to even ban him in te first place.
Its an obvious damage control move b/c he embarrassed CCP in front of SONY and other potential investors. His ban was PURELY and 100% a CCP business decission to show SONY they arent soft. ...Can't. Tell. If ...Troll? Or Serious.... |
Amity Lane
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
137
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Posted - 2012.03.29 16:29:00 -
[126] - Quote
My Neutral Toon wrote:Heimatar Auctioneer wrote:Aiden Andraste wrote:10000 opinions have been silenced. CCP needs to fix it or just scrap the CSM. Yes silenced by the complete incompetence of your own representative that you used your precious vote to vote with. Stop crying like a baby and move on. You should be VASTLY CONTENT that he isn't banned permanently. There are no ground to perma-ban and its a STRETCH to even ban him in te first place. Its an obvious damage control move b/c he embarrassed CCP in front of SONY and other potential investors. His ban was PURELY and 100% a CCP business decission to show SONY they arent soft. And? Sounds like a pretty shrewd business move to me. CCP is in this to make money, not friends.
Edit: Not saying that I agree with it personally, just that it makes sense from CCP's business standpoint. |
Twulf
The Konvergent League Sanctuary Pact
32
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Posted - 2012.03.29 16:58:00 -
[127] - Quote
Why should you get your vote back? Your choice turned the job down, CCP did not force him to leave it.
You voted, your choice turned down the spot. Too bad, so sad. Welcome to Politics.
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XxTiggerxX
Stardust Heavy Industries ROMANIAN-LEGION
0
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Posted - 2012.03.29 16:58:00 -
[128] - Quote
Amity Lane wrote:You voted for somebody.
They won that election.
They did something that got themselves removed from office.
You don't just get a do-over because your candidate messed up. Perhaps you should've researched your candidate more closely prior to voting.
If anything, your anger should be directed at your candidate, not CCP or "pubbies" or whatever scapegoat you choose. He's the one who effectively wasted your votes through his actions.
Listen to the lady.
To sum it up for the average Goon: HTFU |
Spy 21
Lonetrek Exploration and Salvage
8
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Posted - 2012.03.29 16:59:00 -
[129] - Quote
I want the old GSF back please.
You know the one that for years has effectively and unceasingly ridiculed people who whined in the forums about stuff not being fair?
The one that stuck it up BOBs *ss, broke it off and then publicly and with no sympathy whatever laughed at them over it? You know... that goonswarm...
You guys may have been hated in the past but there was never any question as to whether or not you were respected.
What's happened to you guys?
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Iosue
Black Sky Hipsters
83
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Posted - 2012.03.29 17:09:00 -
[130] - Quote
nah, just don't vote for someone that will get themselves banned next time. |
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Glarealot
Native Freshfood Minmatar Republic
25
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Posted - 2012.03.29 23:11:00 -
[131] - Quote
Kalathia Eginald wrote:If there are as I have read 300000 active accounts 10000 is around 3.3% of the total payersabase, which in the end is a drop in the ocean numbers wise. It was approximately 20% of the total votes cast.
Then start taking into account how many are alts, considering it was the goons who were shouting "I have 5 accounts!" and "I have 6 accounts" when the numbers came out that 66% of toons over 5 mil SP are in highsec. Suddenly, that's a lot less individual players voting him in...
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Kalathia Eginald
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
23
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Posted - 2012.03.29 23:19:00 -
[132] - Quote
Glarealot wrote:Kalathia Eginald wrote:If there are as I have read 300000 active accounts 10000 is around 3.3% of the total payersabase, which in the end is a drop in the ocean numbers wise. It was approximately 20% of the total votes cast. Then start taking into account how many are alts, considering it was the goons who were shouting "I have 5 accounts!" and "I have 6 accounts" when the numbers came out that 66% of toons over 5 mil SP are in highsec. Suddenly, that's a lot less individual players voting him in...
That maybe true, but without full numbers, and I doubt they would do that, I can only base my rough figures on what information is available. The only way to be sure is if CCP released numbers of people with active accounts as opposed to the number of active accounts. That however would take their numbers down and no company will do that.
In either regard it is not exaclty a majorit mandate let alone a landslide. Put incontext the lice with it comments using numbers sort of look a lot less impressive. |
Callous Jade
Narcissistic Ventures
20
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Posted - 2012.03.29 23:32:00 -
[133] - Quote
Sverige Pahis wrote:have our votes back please tia
No but you have all your self entitled whining back. Its noones fault but your own that you threw your vote away on a candidate that didnt take his position seriously enough.
~Deal with it~
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Ai Mei
Starfish Operating Syndicate
22
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Posted - 2012.03.29 23:46:00 -
[134] - Quote
even if all 10000 + votes were from 10,000 people that still makes up less than 3% of the total eve online accounts.
But since those 10,000 were all people with multiple accounts and what not a safe assumption is that around 6,000 people are mad. Which brings the overall percentage of u mad bro down to less than 2%
#occupymittani the other 98% of eve dont give a flying **** of his banning or not, we will adapt and move on and goons just need to find another ceo for a month. but most likely they will forget to pay the sov bill again and disban for the 4th time. |
Eezee Gonozal
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1
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Posted - 2012.03.29 23:59:00 -
[135] - Quote
I don't even particularly care tbh.
Besides liking spacedongues too much, there's still a good amount of people on the CSM (probably everyone besides 2 mentallyretarded candidates, that won't have any influence anyway) that will actually do something good.
Unlike most pubbies I actually still think this is a game and don't get mad over ingame drama *gasp*. Unless CCP gets anallyraped by Sony and destroys Eve by forbidding ganking and controlling general ingame behaviour to cater to whiny idiots like Issler, I will still have fun in this game. |
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