Pages: [1] 2 3 4 5 :: one page |
|
Author |
Thread Statistics | Show CCP posts - 0 post(s) |
Mr Horizontal
Gallente KIA Corp KIA Alliance
|
Posted - 2008.09.26 07:48:00 -
[1]
This is a constitutional issue that has been stated in a passing note within the latest CSM devblog, about the sudden 21 year age limit suddenly imposed by CSM for candidates in the next election. As mentioned in the comments thread, this has effectively broadsided LaVista's re-election campaign.
Given that voters were conscious of LV's age, and that he had been publicly tested and vindicated on the forums through running 2 public organisation successfully within Market Discussions, LV having wanted to run for CSM was first effectively elected within MD as the preferred candidate for championing Science, Industry and Economic matters, and won a place on the CSM.
Therefore, this sudden rule change has put a massive spanner in both CSM candidates and voters who are interested in this particular area, and thus is something that requires a little more thought.
This is especially pertinent as the next patch, MIDAS, will be targetted to industry and general improvements across this part of the game, of which LV is the champion delegate of exactly that area.
Now while I generally agree with the age limit, in this particular case the candidate should be omitted from this rule.
I therefore propose a small clause to be added that instead of just 'the 21 year age limit to be a valid candidate' that it becomes 'the 21 year age limit to be a valid candidate, unless the candidate has held a position on the CSM previously'.
Director | www.eve-bank.net |
Mr Horizontal
KIA Corp KIA Alliance
|
Posted - 2008.09.26 07:59:00 -
[2]
Adding the thumbs up.
Director | www.eve-bank.net |
Typhado3
Ashen Lion Mining and Production Consortium Axiom Empire
|
Posted - 2008.09.26 08:11:00 -
[3]
can understand in some countries this might make sense but to put it on all eve players is a bit much... 18 I would agree with but 21 is too much.
CCP please look at mining agent mining mission %..... I want better than 60% mining missions from a mining agent =( |
Miyamoto Uroki
Caldari Katsu Corporation
|
Posted - 2008.09.26 08:38:00 -
[4]
I guess its because of the hard spirits and ccp doesn't want to be compromised by pictures showing them with a drunk underaged ^^
tbh, I don't care. Average age of players is well above 21 I can imagine and so I have no problem with that rule. CCP will have their reasons for that
Originally by: Puupuu dude... your face
|
SentryRaven
The Movement
|
Posted - 2008.09.26 09:07:00 -
[5]
Don't nerf LaVista Vista.... --------
I play nekkid. |
Elhina Novae
Sky's Edge
|
Posted - 2008.09.26 09:22:00 -
[6]
LaVista Vista can't go ------------
Originally by: Boz Well
Originally by: SurrenderMonkey ... There's an Amarr problem?
Nothing that can't be solved by more Minmatar nerfs.
|
ian666
Rave Technologies Inc. C0VEN
|
Posted - 2008.09.26 09:58:00 -
[7]
limit should be higher and not allowing kids to do important things
|
Padanemi
|
Posted - 2008.09.26 10:44:00 -
[8]
Originally by: ian666 limit should be higher and not allowing kids to do important things
You're right. Players of 20 years old and younger are not important and completely irrelevant.
While we're at it, women should be banned as well.
Communists too.
WHAT HAVE YOU BEEN SMOKING?!?!?!
If there NEEDS to be a limit, it should -in my opinion- be 18. But I also highly doubt there should be a lower age limit at all.
|
Finite Solution
|
Posted - 2008.09.26 12:54:00 -
[9]
The sudden change is odd, and LV should be allowed under this rule. If alcohol consumption is the key here, simply make a rule about underaged drinking and minimum-age in country of citizenship.
|
LaVista Vista
Conservative Shenanigans Party
|
Posted - 2008.09.26 13:00:00 -
[10]
Originally by: Finite Solution The sudden change is odd, and LV should be allowed under this rule. If alcohol consumption is the key here, simply make a rule about underaged drinking and minimum-age in country of citizenship.
Alcohol consumption was not an issue. The CSM was asked to stay sober for the CSM meetings and it could simply be enforced for people who are under the age of majority.
The age of buying alcohol in my country, Denmark, is 16. But people should of course respect Icelandic law.
Originally by: Padanemi
a) there is no "relevant" age restriction on playing the game (other than the 13 years of age), b) if the under-age player has parental consent to play the game, and c) the CSM is the body that represents the players, I find it highly irrational to impose an age restriction. If the CSM is a democratic representation of the player base, let it be a democracy for EVERYONE.
I agree.
The answer Xhagen has given is that it's due to practical reason of the NDA. But this is irrational due to the fact I had to have it signed by a legal guardian as well.
I could understand a limit of 18. But not 21.
|
|
Kazuma Saruwatari
|
Posted - 2008.09.26 13:21:00 -
[11]
LaVista Vista is doing a far better job as being a representative for the not-so-pewpew side of EVE than many others who are on the CSM.
He stays until his 2 terms are up. -
|
Athre
The Higher Standard
|
Posted - 2008.09.26 13:22:00 -
[12]
I believe LVV should be grandfathered in.
The rule was not in place originally He got specific permission from the GM's last round He's got parental permission (parent signed NDA).
I can see this rule being applied forward but not backward.
I support putting LVV on the ballot.
|
Benilopax
Pulsar Combat Supplies Alternative Realities
|
Posted - 2008.09.26 13:32:00 -
[13]
Edited by: Benilopax on 26/09/2008 13:31:50 LV stays! Or our wrath shall be furious!
|
Elhina Novae
Sky's Edge
|
Posted - 2008.09.26 13:45:00 -
[14]
Originally by: ian666 limit should be higher and not allowing kids to do important things
LaVista Vista is doing a great, job. He replies to numberous topics and are helpful and brings forwards alot of ideas to CCP, which probably wouldn't get there if it wasn't for him. Hell is he possibly one of the most loved members of the CSM? He's had this position now and suddenly it will be denied? ------------
Originally by: Boz Well
Originally by: SurrenderMonkey ... There's an Amarr problem?
Nothing that can't be solved by more Minmatar nerfs.
|
Irida Mershkov
War is Bliss
|
Posted - 2008.09.26 14:00:00 -
[15]
I voted for Vista! He stays!
|
Imperius Blackheart
KIA Corp KIA Alliance
|
Posted - 2008.09.26 14:01:00 -
[16]
One of the guys I respect the most on the CSM. Let stand again CCP.
KIA Corp Recruitment Director, mail me for more info. |
ElCoCo
KIA Corp KIA Alliance
|
Posted - 2008.09.26 14:02:00 -
[17]
Whether you agree with the age limit or not, it's bad to change the rules after a process has already started.
Get LVV back in Boink! |
Daria Hahn
|
Posted - 2008.09.26 14:02:00 -
[18]
Age discrimination is NOT cool.
|
Uzume Ame
Dark Shadow Cartel
|
Posted - 2008.09.26 14:11:00 -
[19]
CCP puts this cause 'they look funny' to press, bad stuff CCP, i though you had mroe personality as a company. Teh failure of a signature. |
Peeh
|
Posted - 2008.09.26 14:21:00 -
[20]
I`m all for the 18+ rule instead of the 21+.
CCP consideried the CSM meeting to be a success, thus proving that people under 21 can handle the responsbility that has been entrusted them.
Furthermore, CCP wants us to move towards a gaming democracy (even if in this case could be considered metagaming). And the people, the players, have cast their votes.
|
|
Amarr Citizen 155
Alternative Methods Research Group
|
Posted - 2008.09.26 14:40:00 -
[21]
Edited by: Amarr Citizen 155 on 26/09/2008 14:41:18 Gotta say I'm surpised by this move. I had a nice long post typed up but the forums ate it(probably because it was witty and clever).
So in short, I hereby dismiss any age-related changes to the CSM requirements effective immediatly. Pull your head out CCP and do the right thing.
As Amarr Citizen 155, spokesperson for the Amarrian race and supreme ruler of Vaajaita, I approve this message.
Edit: forgot my thumb
Quote: Ricdic (about starting ebank, July 2007): Think of it as a miniature EIB done right. I cannot see this getting anywhere near 700b any time in the future tbh.
|
Gone'Postal
Rage of Inferno
|
Posted - 2008.09.26 15:02:00 -
[22]
Support Added,
Boost SISI VOTE NOW! |
SencneS
Rebellion Against big Irreversible Dinks
|
Posted - 2008.09.26 15:09:00 -
[23]
It's a simple as this, since LaVista Vista has already signed an NDA and is legally bound by an NDA he doesn't need to sign another. So legally CCP and LaVista Vista AND the parent/legal guardian who signed the NDA are covered.
There is no legal reason why LaVista Vista should NOT be able to run again.
Amarr for Life |
Raymond Sterns
Utopian Research I.E.L. The ENTITY.
|
Posted - 2008.09.26 15:33:00 -
[24]
Originally by: ian666 limit should be higher and not allowing kids to do important things
The irony in this post is unbelievable. _
|
Conrad Murphy
|
Posted - 2008.09.26 16:08:00 -
[25]
Stopping a well-functioning and well-supported CSM member from running for re-election is not gonna increase faith in the CSM as an institution.
|
Scagga Laebetrovo
Evil Bastards
|
Posted - 2008.09.26 16:19:00 -
[26]
This is hilarious. I'll support it as such.
|
Angel Lightbringer
Caldari Dark Evolution Industries
|
Posted - 2008.09.26 16:24:00 -
[27]
Originally by: Conrad Murphy Stopping a well-functioning and well-supported CSM member from running for re-election is not gonna increase faith in the CSM as an institution.
This!
/signed for added support to LV.
Rule could be applied, but current under-aged CSM members should be allowed for a second term, let voters decides if they did a good job or not. -Angel |
Mukatsuku
|
Posted - 2008.09.26 16:41:00 -
[28]
Having an age limit is cool. Preventing a well known, proven CSM from running again.. NOT COOL. Get your act together CCP...
|
Tmarte
Explora Empire
|
Posted - 2008.09.26 16:49:00 -
[29]
The 21 year old age limit is bullshit. I voted for LVV, and want him back. He's the only person on the CSM that cares about us carebears.
|
Scatim Helicon
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
|
Posted - 2008.09.26 17:10:00 -
[30]
I'd at least like to see CCP explain why they've changed the age limit. If there's some obscure insurance or legal issue then I guess they'd have to comply, but tell us so rather than just pull the rug from under an existing CSM. -----------
|
|
|
|
|
Pages: [1] 2 3 4 5 :: one page |
First page | Previous page | Next page | Last page |