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juxta
Caldari Tides of Silence KIA Alliance
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Posted - 2008.09.30 14:28:00 -
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As we are all getting anally retentive, i thought i'd add my bit, i was looking at the 80% bob picture and read the local chat on it and i thought i remember that, and lo and behold my words are the ones at the top of the chat window, now i don't mind if anyone want to use them but can i please assert my copyright to them.
As for the battle who knows i was killed in taisy 2 hours after going to bed. |
Keflin Geard
Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2008.09.30 14:50:00 -
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Local was about 350 when GBC started to siege the first POS. Look at the TS tower kill mail on the bob board before the fight - 61 caps 35/25 dreads to carriers. Then NC jumped in 700 people and killed the node. Leave half those people behind and you maybe kill 20+ bob caps.
NC did all kinds of things wrong - Dreads out of siege for the first hour - double dd tanked bs - ffs and you wonder why fights don't go your way.
Lets not even start with the cap kills since the fight ended - pilots logging into a camped system - no scouts, no intel, no clue.
I was one of many GBC people who could not get back in after the second node crashed and had to listen to the fight on TS, so i have mixed feelings about the engagement. But, i can can add and do analysis. You guys only have yourselves to blame.
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BuIIseye
Amarr Pax Amarria Corp
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Posted - 2008.09.30 14:57:00 -
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Edited by: BuIIseye on 30/09/2008 14:59:48
Originally by: Wladeck I Confirm Eddz POV.
one hour after node Crash on TCF's TS :
"Who is connected ?"
2 mates are log on nearly 150
"What is local status ?"
"280 on local with 5 to 1 for Bob. . ."
Originally by: Shadowsword
And what are we supposed to do? Bring only 200 to limit lag, when you already have 350 AND the defenders advantage?
If you pack 350 peeps in a critical system, you force a stronger response. Stop playing the blame game about numbers, it's childish.
I am glad to see you are enjoying the other side of a JV1V-like battle. |
Cras'h
Hulks on stereoids inc
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Posted - 2008.09.30 15:11:00 -
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Originally by: KIAEddZ Those screenshots prove what exactly?
The 2 points he is contesting are that when local was at 130 it was about/circa 80% BoB... he shsows local at 640 or summin..
Other one shows what looks like 100 yellow wrecks on gate.. and not a single "white" 1, supposedly show sthat the DD's were highly succesful.
My Recount of the events are factual from the pov of view of events that unfolded on KIA TS and the AARs after on our forums.
Can i have your stuff ? Cry some more will ya.. You made a buuumer and well shitty happens Now go back to jita and do some trading and let others do the FC`ing since your kinda sux at that
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Zethura
Gravis Corp
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Posted - 2008.09.30 15:20:00 -
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Originally by: Tzrailasa
Originally by: Shadowsword And what are we supposed to do? Bring only 200 to limit lag, when you already have 350 AND the defenders advantage?
If you pack 350 peeps in a critical system, you force a stronger response. Stop playing the blame game about numbers, it's childish.
The answer when you're looking across a field at an enemy dug in deep with machine-guns, tanks and artillery covering all approaches is NOT to shout 'CHARGE!' and run mindlessly against the enemy!
Either you prevent him from digging in in the first place, you wait until his guard is down, or you attack somewhere else where your enemy is weak!
NOTHING at all prevented NC from attacking a GBC-held system and hold it down like we held down M-O, thus putting the burden of attacking on us! Why you chose the headless charge instead is beyond words...
Once you let GBC incap your POS in M-O, put up our POS, and prepare a defence, the system was lost! The critical point in any battle are the first hours, and you didn't react then (when M-O was initially attacked).
We've seen close to every single time it's been tried in EVE that the headless charge into prepared defences doesn't work, and yet stupid FC's are continuing to pursue this 'strategy' (this is not the right word, but the right one would be *'d) all over EVE...
In short, your FC's FAILED horribly!
Fail post. I seem to remember the only reason you managed to take they system in the first place was due to another node crash after which BoB managed to log in before NC, anyone see a pattern here? As soon as you had blobbed the system you the take down the jammer and jump titans in, ready to DD the defense fleet if it was every able to log back in. As we can see this is the winning "tactics" BoB employ crash node ---> log in first ---> take down undefended jammer ---> jump in titans. If we look at the numbers against you we can see that without another node crash with you guys getting in first on mass again you wouldn't of held the system. It's funny to see how the so called best PvPers in the game love the fact they managed to win a fight where the enemy can fire back. Personally i'm not sure about the new feature that when you get chucked off the server your ship gets left there for BoB to kill seems a little bit of a strange feature to introduce. Also seems strange that BoB's max hits a brick wall at tribute when BoB cant beat the defense fleets this crap happens not once but twice. |
Maximillian Bayonette
White Lion Manufacture and Salvage
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Posted - 2008.09.30 15:28:00 -
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Originally by: Zethura Fail post. I seem to remember the only reason you managed to take they system in the first place was due to another node crash after which BoB managed to log in before NC, anyone see a pattern here? As soon as you had blobbed the system you the take down the jammer and jump titans in, ready to DD the defense fleet if it was every able to log back in. As we can see this is the winning "tactics" BoB employ crash node ---> log in first ---> take down undefended jammer ---> jump in titans. If we look at the numbers against you we can see that without another node crash with you guys getting in first on mass again you wouldn't of held the system. It's funny to see how the so called best PvPers in the game love the fact they managed to win a fight where the enemy can fire back. Personally i'm not sure about the new feature that when you get chucked off the server your ship gets left there for BoB to kill seems a little bit of a strange feature to introduce. Also seems strange that BoB's max hits a brick wall at tribute when BoB cant beat the defense fleets this crap happens not once but twice.
Excellent post. A couple of questions:
1. When did the node crash in M-0? Before or after the NC jumped 600+ people into the system?
2. Depending on your answer to 1, what would be the reason for the node crashing?
3. Do you think BoB cheat/hack/get dev help in any way in order to log in quicker?
4. If your answer to 3 was 'yes', why didn't they use said help during previous battles, some a mere week ago, where it was the NC who loaded quicker after a node crash and killed GBC caps?
5. If your answer to 3 was yes, why the hell are you still playing the game? If I thought the game was slanted to such an effect where devs are actively helping a side I would quit. No, I don't count a dev spawning BPOs to his own character as actively helping a side.
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Szass Tam
Black Eclipse Corp Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2008.09.30 15:38:00 -
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Originally by: Zethura Fail post. I seem to remember the only reason you managed to take they system in the first place was due to another node crash after which BoB managed to log in before NC, anyone see a pattern here? As soon as you had blobbed the system you the take down the jammer and jump titans in, ready to DD the defense fleet if it was every able to log back in. As we can see this is the winning "tactics" BoB employ crash node ---> log in first ---> take down undefended jammer ---> jump in titans. If we look at the numbers against you we can see that without another node crash with you guys getting in first on mass again you wouldn't of held the system. It's funny to see how the so called best PvPers in the game love the fact they managed to win a fight where the enemy can fire back. Personally i'm not sure about the new feature that when you get chucked off the server your ship gets left there for BoB to kill seems a little bit of a strange feature to introduce. Also seems strange that BoB's max hits a brick wall at tribute when BoB cant beat the defense fleets this crap happens not once but twice.
If you seriously believe what you're saying you should cancel your accounts and quit eve, cause well ... we're invincible. Please contract all your stuff to me.
BOB 4TW. |
Zethura
Gravis Corp
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Posted - 2008.09.30 15:40:00 -
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Originally by: Maximillian Bayonette
Originally by: Zethura Fail post. I seem to remember the only reason you managed to take they system in the first place was due to another node crash after which BoB managed to log in before NC, anyone see a pattern here? As soon as you had blobbed the system you the take down the jammer and jump titans in, ready to DD the defense fleet if it was every able to log back in. As we can see this is the winning "tactics" BoB employ crash node ---> log in first ---> take down undefended jammer ---> jump in titans. If we look at the numbers against you we can see that without another node crash with you guys getting in first on mass again you wouldn't of held the system. It's funny to see how the so called best PvPers in the game love the fact they managed to win a fight where the enemy can fire back. Personally i'm not sure about the new feature that when you get chucked off the server your ship gets left there for BoB to kill seems a little bit of a strange feature to introduce. Also seems strange that BoB's max hits a brick wall at tribute when BoB cant beat the defense fleets this crap happens not once but twice.
Excellent post. A couple of questions:
1. When did the node crash in M-0? Before or after the NC jumped 600+ people into the system?
2. Depending on your answer to 1, what would be the reason for the node crashing?
3. Do you think BoB cheat/hack/get dev help in any way in order to log in quicker?
4. If your answer to 3 was 'yes', why didn't they use said help during previous battles, some a mere week ago, where it was the NC who loaded quicker after a node crash and killed GBC caps?
5. If your answer to 3 was yes, why the hell are you still playing the game? If I thought the game was slanted to such an effect where devs are actively helping a side I would quit. No, I don't count a dev spawning BPOs to his own character as actively helping a side.
1. The first time was when BoB blobbed the system from low sec the node went down so then the NC sniper fleet covering the gate with cap support was not able to log back in til after BoB.
2.I dont know it could of been load or it could of been one of the exploits used to create lag used to and extreme to kill the node.
3. It wouldn't supprise me if BoB have tips from the Devs about how to log in first. Information not given to the rest of us therefore an unfair advantage
4. Their total arrogance when it comes to their abilities in game probably led them to beleave they could win fair and square
5. Since seeing BoB exploits used and the inaction of CCP on the matter i havn't pew pew'd in 0.0 cos the game there is no fun with this sort of bs happening. And they make it so obvious they exploit with comments like "we test the game mechanics on sisi", hmm wonder what they're looking for.
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Carin K
Minmatar Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2008.09.30 15:44:00 -
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Originally by: Gamesguy
Quote: Local is at 130, 80% ish are BoB.
Local is 80% bob indeed.
I believe I have made my point.
*posts unrelated screenshots* *idiots rush to tell him he has won the thread*
(in your screenie there are 631 people in local, in his account, he is talking about a time when only 130 are there, shut up, tia)
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Maximillian Bayonette
White Lion Manufacture and Salvage
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Posted - 2008.09.30 15:49:00 -
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Originally by: Zethura 1. The first time was when BoB blobbed the system from low sec the node went down so then the NC sniper fleet covering the gate with cap support was not able to log back in til after BoB.
According to you "[you] havn't pew pew'd in 0.0 cos the game there is no fun with this sort of bs happening", so how do you know what happened? As far as I've read, BoB have been present in the system for a number of days. It was no secret that a POS attack was imminent. The NC could have done something to stop it other than send the super-blob, but true to style, they opted for that approach. It failed them this time. It won them the day last week in 15w. Why didn't you complain then?
Originally by: Zethura
2.I dont know it could of been load or it could of been one of the exploits used to create lag used to and extreme to kill the node.
Please tell us more about these exploits. I'm sure we'd all like to hear about them. I'm sure CCP would too. Oh, yeah that's right, CCP are all in BoB's pockets.
I'll ask again: What crashed the node? The 350 GBC guys already in the system or the 600+ who jumped in?
Originally by: Zethura
3. It wouldn't supprise me if BoB have tips from the Devs about how to log in first. Information not given to the rest of us therefore an unfair advantage
What information is that? Is it so super secret that we don't know about it, but we do know they have it? Where is the evidence for this? Is this still about T20?
Originally by: Zethura
4. Their total arrogance when it comes to their abilities in game probably led them to beleave they could win fair and square
That doesn't sound like BoB. They would have gone all out and used all their hax and exploits to secure the win.
Also, do you know any people who where abducted by aliens? Perhaps you where yourself?
Originally by: Zethura
5. Since seeing BoB exploits used and the inaction of CCP on the matter i havn't pew pew'd in 0.0 cos the game there is no fun with this sort of bs happening. And they make it so obvious they exploit with comments like "we test the game mechanics on sisi", hmm wonder what they're looking for.
You didn't answer my question. Why, if you honestly believe the crap you're spouting, don't you simply cancel your account? After all, if what you say was true, you would basically be paying BoB to play the game. It seems extremely stupid to me to pay money to someone you know is cheating you. Perhaps its some sort of implant you got installed in your brain when you where on the flying saucer?
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O Thief
The Littlest Hobos Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2008.09.30 15:49:00 -
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Originally by: Zethura
1. The first time was when BoB blobbed the system from low sec the node went down so then the NC sniper fleet covering the gate with cap support was not able to log back in til after BoB.
2.I dont know it could of been load or it could of been one of the exploits used to create lag used to and extreme to kill the node.
3. It wouldn't supprise me if BoB have tips from the Devs about how to log in first. Information not given to the rest of us therefore an unfair advantage
4. Their total arrogance when it comes to their abilities in game probably led them to beleave they could win fair and square
5. Since seeing BoB exploits used and the inaction of CCP on the matter i havn't pew pew'd in 0.0 cos the game there is no fun with this sort of bs happening. And they make it so obvious they exploit with comments like "we test the game mechanics on sisi", hmm wonder what they're looking for.
It really is NOT hard to get an alt in the GBC and fly with them.
Do it.
You'll see for yourself what a complete and utter load of shit you're spewing. In the meantime, please stop posting
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Hey You
Destructive Influence Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2008.09.30 15:51:00 -
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Edited by: Hey You on 30/09/2008 15:51:09
Originally by: Goose Hypocrisy
Originally by: HostageTaker My only regret is not having EvETV around to film Eddz bouncing off the walls with emorage as he FC's to total failure...
I guess we'll have to settle for watching him DANCE DANCE!!!
KIAEddz Break Dancing
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KIAEddZ - Greatest Dancer
After watching the BBQ pics, I'd be rather careful about dragging other people's real life here.
Wtf is wrong with our BBQ pics? Part that it wasnt rly BBQ at all but :P Everyone got drunk and did some nasty stuff to each other.
Btw Vuk Lau is ACE! Cant wait to have beer with that man again :D |
Karbowiak
Caldari coracao ardente Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2008.09.30 15:54:00 -
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i see lots of KIA and NC alt crying..
Mostly KIA tho, but did anyone expect anything different? |
Re Mi
Caldari Funshine Unlimited
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Posted - 2008.09.30 15:57:00 -
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Originally by: Szass Tam
It's not the first time you make a fool of yourself EddZ, and you just did again.
Try to keep in mind you're the leader of an alliance, your members should want to look up to you, they should want to follow your lead, you should be an example ... and you're not.
Please stop posting.
Shut up. Stop posting. *sigh*
Are you an ass, or an *******. Tough call. |
Zethura
Gravis Corp
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Posted - 2008.09.30 16:03:00 -
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@ Maximillian Bayonette
The exploits i'm talking about are ones like the BM copying ones the cap gate spamming ones and any other one's you may of found while "testing" sisi. If people knew the tips THERE WOULDN'T BE A PROBLEM. My stuff is staying in my account and even if i did quit why would i use my stuff to fund a coalition that plays the game like BoB do. Who knows what crashed the node the only people who know are CCP and like always with one of these events they dont directly respond they only delete and ignore comments about their bias.
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Yersinia Pest1s
Caldari eXceed Inc. Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2008.09.30 16:21:00 -
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Originally by: KIAEddZ Edited by: KIAEddZ on 30/09/2008 11:32:43 People say that we shouldn't jump in 600 to face 450.... what choice do we have, are people suggesting the first person to get 400+ in local wins by default..
Ummmm...perhaps make them jump into you? Oh wait...they wouldn't do that because, well tbh they don't fail. |
Homo Erectus
Evolution Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2008.09.30 16:30:00 -
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Originally by: Seth Quantix KIAEddz the confused american soilder "Last in - first out"
Hi. I don't care if we're in the same alliance or not. I hate that crap ^^ American, British, Swedish, it doesn't fk'n matter.
And at least Eddz isn't throwing the same CCP conspiracy crap around as everyone else we're massacring. A POV is a POV. It's not factual math.
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Zethura
Gravis Corp
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Posted - 2008.09.30 16:41:00 -
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Originally by: Yersinia Pest1s Edited by: Yersinia Pest1s on 30/09/2008 16:32:08 Edited by: Yersinia Pest1s on 30/09/2008 16:30:40
Originally by: KIAEddZ Edited by: KIAEddZ on 30/09/2008 11:32:43 People say that we shouldn't jump in 600 to face 450.... what choice do we have, are people suggesting the first person to get 400+ in local wins by default..
Ummmm...perhaps make them jump into you? Oh wait...they wouldn't do that because, well tbh they don't fail.
And Zethura, what precisely is wrong with testing game mechanics on sisi? That IS what it is for after all. It's hard to play the game if you don't the rules, faulting BoB for reading the rule book (testing on SiSi) will never get you anywhere.
testing for ways to lag out the enemy and bs like that, that's the way to play a game is it? |
Cyrana Bergerac
nicomedes inc.
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Posted - 2008.09.30 16:50:00 -
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Whatever the enemies of BOB say, it is their own fault, if they get slaughtered while they look on a black screen.
It was always like that, it will be always like that.
Do you really think, it will change after all that time, all that battles, which have been fought and lost from various alliances against BOB before?
If you still join a mass capital battle against BOB and expect something like a win, a playable situation, you are simply a moron, who deserves to lose your ship like always and of course no reinbursement for you. |
ElCoCo
KIA Corp KIA Alliance
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Posted - 2008.09.30 16:50:00 -
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Dunno, we certainly weren't crying. We didn't lose anything compared to what the NC lost and that's pretty obvious.
TS with KIA and DAI was pretty chill even after the node crash. I doubt out of the 100 on our TS that even 3 ppl saw any grid for at least 2hrs after the node crashed.
Before I warped to the POS I had taken 2 DD's and looking back there realy were not many wrecks (I think 3-4 whites only) so don't blame eddz for saying that as I saw the same. Obviously it might have been lag but well, with the setup we chose we could easily withstand 2 DD's (I know I did). Now if that setup was up for the task, you can't say cause you didn't know our plans
Looking at the killboard it looks (and is) terrible tbh .
I have to say though that even with all that, the game was very very playable upto the node crash. I was very surprised and I heard the same from most on then. We might be onto something here |
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Bobbechk
The Priory
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Posted - 2008.09.30 16:50:00 -
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Originally by: KIAEddZ Edited by: KIAEddZ on 30/09/2008 11:32:43 ... Reports of 470 Bob in M-O inc 90 Caps and 5 Titans. ... 1140 people in local .... Node crash. .... Node crash ...
*looks surprised* |
Yersinia Pest1s
Caldari eXceed Inc. Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2008.09.30 16:54:00 -
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I agree that may not be the best tactic or the most honourable, but if you know how to do it (if in fact that is what they tested, which I don't fully believe) then you will know how to counter it. |
Goose Hypocrisy
The Illuminati. Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2008.09.30 16:55:00 -
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You know it's fun and all to troll BoB on CAOD but you NC dudes need to stop whining and start learning how the game works already. |
pacifica
Dark Ashes Circle-Of-Two
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Posted - 2008.09.30 17:25:00 -
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Nice report Edd
for my part 5 year in eve world and CCP never bring what it was supposed....
We all wish to see this game grow and get better but the real thing is WHEN it will happend all the stuff they add all the new feature .... and what they forget is What we will need to bring as number to counter it...
I miss the old day of eve...
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Wotlankor
KIA Corp KIA Alliance
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Posted - 2008.09.30 17:38:00 -
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Edited by: Wotlankor on 30/09/2008 17:40:18
Originally by: Homo Erectus And at least Eddz isn't throwing the same CCP conspiracy crap around as everyone else we're massacring. A POV is a POV. It's not factual math.
God its nice to see a real post between all the crap. Ofcource we percieve the battle from different sides.
Thank you !
Lets cut the conspiracy. CCP build a game we enjoy (some may enjoy it too much and should check out the new release of RL) but never the less they are a professional company that want to maintain a pro*****ble business. Can they do that and enjoy it at the same time they are most successfull.
Someone sugested that we should go siege a system that BoB was not in. I play this game for the pew pew, not to go siege a system while the enemy is in another. Yes, maybe we could then provoke BoB to jump into our "digged in camp", but that aint my idea of fun.
To sum up: - I dont get the anger most of you guys display. - Lets have some fun fights. - You dont win EVE, you play it. - Now go play the game we enjoy and spend to much time and money on.
Fly safe all o/
Edit: P r o f i t t a b l e is a no no word ? |
Maximillian Bayonette
White Lion Manufacture and Salvage
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Posted - 2008.09.30 17:54:00 -
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Originally by: Zethura
The exploits i'm talking about are ones like the BM copying ones
You mean the one that your previous BFF RA made famous? The one that isn't viable since about two years or so because of BM copying limitations?
Originally by: Zethura
the cap gate spamming ones
Not sure I understand you here. Are you saying it's an exploit to have caps at gates? In that case the NC where certainly exploiting big time yesterday judging from the position of all those cap wrecks.
Originally by: Zethura
and any other one's you may of found while "testing" sisi.
Are you saying BoB isn't really testing anything on sisi? What are you suggesting they are doing? Is it an exploit to use sisi (the test server) to see how the game reacts under certain circumstances, like high lag situations? Is sisi not open for all players to test stuff? I don't get what's exploitive about that.
Originally by: Zethura
If people knew the tips THERE WOULDN'T BE A PROBLEM.
So, you're saying BoB knows stuff about the game after learning it on sisi. This stuff is super sekret, and nobody else knows about it. Noone is able to perform their own tests on sisi. We all know BoB have know these things becuase we all know they do. The reason we know they know is that we know they know. We don't need evidence to know that we know that they know.
Originally by: Zethura
My stuff is staying in my account and even if i did quit why would i use my stuff to fund a coalition that plays the game like BoB do.
I never asked for your stuff. I asked you to quit the game.
Originally by: Zethura
Who knows what crashed the node the only people who know are CCP and like always with one of these events they dont directly respond they only delete and ignore comments about their bias.
Seriously, I will ask you again, and I pleade to whatever small measure of common sense you have:
What crashed the node? The 350 GBC already in the system, apparently almost unaffected by server instability, or the 600+ NC people that jumped in just as the node crashed. It's a simple dual-choice question.
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Zethura
Gravis Corp
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Posted - 2008.09.30 18:03:00 -
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@ Maximillian Bayonette firstly post with you main have some balls. Second the sisi "testing" where you go to find problems with the programming then use that to tip battles through lag or whatever is that how you should be playing a game? And no i didn't mean caps on gates i ment something else which appon examination of the forum rules i can't make public but lets say BoB have again been know to use this to cause more lag than would otherwise be experienced. and like i've said over and over but it still doesn't seem to go in is i dont know what crashed the node i dont have the access to the info that CCP had or maybe you could tell us what it is GBC do to create lag.
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Tzrailasa
Destructive Influence Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2008.09.30 18:21:00 -
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Originally by: Zethura ...or maybe you could tell us what it is GBC do to create lag.
We shoot ships.....
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Moonlight Express
Amarr Moonlight Express Inc.
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Posted - 2008.09.30 18:33:00 -
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Edited by: Moonlight Express on 30/09/2008 18:34:21
Originally by: Zethura And no i didn't mean caps on gates i ment something else which appon examination of the forum rules i can't make public but lets say BoB have again been know to use this to cause more lag than would otherwise be experienced.
So are you saying that you are petitioning BoB for using this exploit that you cannot reveal on forums and we'll see all members of BoB banned from EVE for doing this soon? Or are you just throwing bullshit to the wind hoping it will stick?
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Zethura
Gravis Corp
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Posted - 2008.09.30 18:37:00 -
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Originally by: Moonlight Express Edited by: Moonlight Express on 30/09/2008 18:34:21
Originally by: Zethura And no i didn't mean caps on gates i ment something else which appon examination of the forum rules i can't make public but lets say BoB have again been know to use this to cause more lag than would otherwise be experienced.
So are you saying that you are petitioning BoB for using this exploit that you cannot reveal on forums and we'll see all members of BoB banned from EVE for doing this soon? Or are you just throwing bullshit to the wind hoping it will stick?
If you dont know it your one of the few you shouldn't expect people to have to spell everything out for you.
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