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Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation The Honda Accord
1484
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Posted - 2012.03.29 23:53:00 -
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The very unexpected indecent and Fanfest caught all of us by surprise. I felt I had a personal obligation to go on the record with MY opinion as to the correct course of action after the incident. I believe I had a right and obligation to answer the demands of many of the people the helped elect me to make it clear what I thought about what happened.
But the manner I offered my position in the incident was unfair to my fellow CSM 7. The way I made my views on the matter clear also had the unintended consequence of forcing the other members of the CSM 7 to agree with me and in a manner of my choosing. I did not have the right to ask that of them. They are all entitled to respond as individuals to the players of Eve in the manner and at the time of their own choosing.
For that reason I want to say that I apologize for putting them unfairly in that position. It was not my intention to discredit them or seem to attack them in the public forums.
I believe I've messaged that already to most of the CSM 7 in the Skype channels but I felt it important to make it clear to the players that in my commitment to be clear about my reaction I created a situation that was unfair to the rest of the CSM.
I will remain as committed to transperancy in the CSM 7 as ever, but I promise to make it clear that if I ever do need to speak out about an issue the rest of the CSM will know in advance and I will make it clear that these are my views and not put an implied burden for any other CSM member to agree in kind or in the manner I've chosen to communicate.
Issler |
wanking monkey girl
Capital Maintenance
20
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Posted - 2012.03.29 23:57:00 -
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no need for a apology but you have given your one more though then mittans |
Aiden Andraste
State War Academy Caldari State
184
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Posted - 2012.03.30 00:01:00 -
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Now that you've apologized, its time to throw you out the CSM and ban you right? Oh, that only implies to The Mittani eh? Okay, thanks for your meaningless words Issler.
It's far too late to backpeddle now, you're a bandwagoning goon hater and that's that. |
Mistress Milana
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
2
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Posted - 2012.03.30 00:11:00 -
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It takes a big person to do that Issler. And for that, I commend you. I hope you stay on the CSM and serve your people well. |
Liaria Cullen
Mind Games. Suddenly Spaceships.
3
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Posted - 2012.03.30 00:26:00 -
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too little too late , you're now on the same page as the mittani, you've ruined any chances you had of being taken seriously, and by extention you've lowered the chances of this csm term being taken seriously, it's an empty appology for a situation that should never have happened,congratulations you are now the new mittani of the csm. |
Liaria Cullen
Mind Games. Suddenly Spaceships.
3
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Posted - 2012.03.30 00:29:00 -
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Liaria Cullen wrote:congratulations you are now the new mittani of the csm.
In the sense that you ****** up this term, not that you'll get **** done. |
Aiden Andraste
State War Academy Caldari State
185
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Posted - 2012.03.30 00:32:00 -
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Liaria Cullen wrote:Liaria Cullen wrote:congratulations you are now the new mittani of the csm. In the sense that you ****** up this term, not that you'll get **** done. This implies that the current CSM will accomplish anything under the shadow of irrelevancy that CCP cast on it. |
None ofthe Above
155
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Posted - 2012.03.30 00:48:00 -
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Issler Dainze wrote:The very unexpected indecent and Fanfest caught all of us by surprise. I felt I had a personal obligation to go on the record with MY opinion as to the correct course of action after the incident. I believe I had a right and obligation to answer the demands of many of the people the helped elect me to make it clear what I thought about what happened.
But the manner I offered my position in the incident was unfair to my fellow CSM 7. The way I made my views on the matter clear also had the unintended consequence of forcing the other members of the CSM 7 to agree with me and in a manner of my choosing. I did not have the right to ask that of them. They are all entitled to respond as individuals to the players of Eve in the manner and at the time of their own choosing.
For that reason I want to say that I apologize for putting them unfairly in that position. It was not my intention to discredit them or seem to attack them in the public forums.
I believe I've messaged that already to most of the CSM 7 in the Skype channels but I felt it important to make it clear to the players that in my commitment to be clear about my reaction I created a situation that was unfair to the rest of the CSM.
I will remain as committed to transperancy in the CSM 7 as ever, but I promise to make it clear that if I ever do need to speak out about an issue the rest of the CSM will know in advance and I will make it clear that these are my views and not put an implied burden for any other CSM member to agree in kind or in the manner I've chosen to communicate.
Issler
Its good of you to offer, I think it's the right thing to do even though CSM7 wasn't seated and still isn't fully. So quite understandable that communications had not been worked out.
Glad to see you are on board with the team, although actually appreciate the fact that you are prepared to stand up for your beliefs if need be.
I also know you won't let the haters get you down. You'll do what you think is right in spite the fire you draw for it.
I may not always agree or even understand you, but I have come to respect your courage and fortitude.
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Alekseyev Karrde
Noir. Noir. Mercenary Group
457
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Posted - 2012.03.30 00:50:00 -
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As a CSM7 elect I accept Issler's apology and give her a lot of credit for making one. www.noirmercs.com Now Recruiting CSM7, CSM 4 |
Hans Jagerblitzen
Autocannons Anonymous Late Night Alliance
2212
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Posted - 2012.03.30 00:55:00 -
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Thanks, Issler, much appreciated. I'm looking forward to working together as a team in the days to come. Time to hit the ground running, Inferno is only a couple months away! Missed an interview or debate? Check my CSM7 blog for details.
Many thanks to all of my friends and supporters for the kind words! |
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Darius III
Interstellar eXodus BricK sQuAD.
1286
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Posted - 2012.03.30 01:21:00 -
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+1 for you miss D3 CCP has rededicated themselves to improving Eve and are by and large doing a terrific job at it. My personal faith in them is largely restored. I think the coming changes will revitalize Eve and bring joy to the masses. |
Dez Affinity
Habitual Euthanasia Pandemic Legion
129
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Posted - 2012.03.30 01:24:00 -
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When are you going to apologize for copyright infringement? |
Hailey Sunweaver
MAFIA PlAYGROUND. D E M O N S Alliance
9
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Posted - 2012.03.30 01:30:00 -
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How ironic you timing is with your apology. I mean this is rubbing salt in the wound and you acting like your taking the high and moral ground. When in reality you tried to capitalize on the events at fan fest for your own personal advancement. I for one do not accept your apology. In my humble and personal opinion I think you should resign from the CSM. After all if your of high moral fiber this shouldn't be that difficult for you to do. |
Sara XIII
My lil Tax Shelter
65
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Posted - 2012.03.30 01:53:00 -
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Hailey Sunweaver wrote:How ironic you timing is with your apology. I mean this is rubbing salt in the wound and you acting like your taking the high and moral ground. When in reality you tried to capitalize on the events at fan fest for your own personal advancement. I for one do not accept your apology. In my humble and personal opinion I think you should resign from the CSM. After all if your of high moral fiber this shouldn't be that difficult for you to do.
This. |
The Elusive Tekitsu
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2012.03.30 01:55:00 -
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Sara XIII wrote:Hailey Sunweaver wrote:How ironic you timing is with your apology. I mean this is rubbing salt in the wound and you acting like your taking the high and moral ground. When in reality you tried to capitalize on the events at fan fest for your own personal advancement. I for one do not accept your apology. In my humble and personal opinion I think you should resign from the CSM. After all if your of high moral fiber this shouldn't be that difficult for you to do. This.
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Tarsus Zateki
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
274
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Posted - 2012.03.30 02:00:00 -
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You are such a bloody hypocrite. |
Tarsus Zateki
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
277
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Posted - 2012.03.30 02:15:00 -
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Not just a hypocrite, but a delusional hypocrite. You've helped to damage a person's real life reputation and get him thrown under a bus by the corporation he devoted hundreds of hours to helping. All to further your own goals in a video game. You're insane, you are actually out of your god damn mind that you're willing to harm a person over a video game. This isn't even meta-gaming, its just sick. |
None ofthe Above
155
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Posted - 2012.03.30 02:19:00 -
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Tarsus Zateki wrote:Not just a hypocrite, but a delusional hypocrite. You've helped to damage a person's real life reputation and get him thrown under a bus by the corporation he devoted hundreds of hours to helping. All to further your own goals in a video game. You're insane, you are actually out of your god damn mind that you're willing to harm a person over a video game. This isn't even meta-gaming, its just sick.
You know every time I look at rants like this I have to wonder how things would have gone if say Darius was the one that had made the mistake.
You think for one second that your lot wouldn't have gone after Darius much harder for the same offense? Who's the hypocrite?
And you are delusional if you think your rant is the truth, but you don't. You are just sperging.
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EI Digin
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
260
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Posted - 2012.03.30 02:20:00 -
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Hailey Sunweaver wrote:How ironic you timing is with your apology. I mean this is rubbing salt in the wound and you acting like your taking the high and moral ground. When in reality you tried to capitalize on the events at fan fest for your own personal advancement. I for one do not accept your apology. In my humble and personal opinion I think you should resign from the CSM. After all if your of high moral fiber this shouldn't be that difficult for you to do.
You may as well resign, Issler. Nobody is going to take you seriously after this stunt. |
MEPH1ST0
DOUBLE IDENTITY BLACK-MARK
5
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Posted - 2012.03.30 02:38:00 -
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+1 to you issler for being the only one to speak your mind, and not wait to be coached into a responce behind closed doors. I take my hat off to you sir |
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Tarsus Zateki
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
283
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Posted - 2012.03.30 02:42:00 -
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None ofthe Above wrote:Tarsus Zateki wrote:Not just a hypocrite, but a delusional hypocrite. You've helped to damage a person's real life reputation and get him thrown under a bus by the corporation he devoted hundreds of hours to helping. All to further your own goals in a video game. You're insane, you are actually out of your god damn mind that you're willing to harm a person over a video game. This isn't even meta-gaming, its just sick. You know every time I look at rants like this I have to wonder how things would have gone if say Darius was the one that had made the mistake. You think for one second that your lot wouldn't have gone after Darius much harder for the same offense? Who's the hypocrite? And you are delusional if you think your rant is the truth, but you don't. You are just sperging.
We would have had a field day! On this forum and in game and on our forums. We wouldn't have dragged real life media into this. We wouldn't be calling his house and mocking him on his answering machine. We wouldn't be making threats against his life or his dog's. Issler probably hasn't done any of those things, but they are what Mittani has to actually deal with in real life because of the efforts of people like Issler and Darius blowing this situation massively out of proportion all for their own gain... in a video game!
They can say whatever they like, while Mitanni isn't allowed to hit back. He has to eat their crap without choice while they drag him through the mud over something that has gone way out of the park. If this had been Darius, there would have been some funny trolling for a few days and that's it. But because its Mitanni it turns into a massive shitstorm. |
None ofthe Above
155
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Posted - 2012.03.30 02:50:00 -
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Tarsus Zateki wrote:
We would have had a field day! On this forum and in game and on our forums. We wouldn't have dragged real life media into this. We wouldn't be calling his house and mocking him on his answering machine. We wouldn't be making threats against his life or his dog's. Issler probably hasn't done any of those things, but they are what Mittani has to actually deal with in real life because of the efforts of people like Issler and Darius blowing this situation massively out of proportion all for their own gain... in a video game!
They can say whatever they like, while Mitanni isn't allowed to hit back. He has to eat their crap without choice while they drag him through the mud over something that has gone way out of the park. If this had been Darius, there would have been some funny trolling for a few days and that's it. But because its Mitanni it turns into a massive shitstorm.
Well good to know you realize that Issler hasn't done these things, I guess your rage is just misdirected then.
I share your outrage at any harassment or threats against him, his family and his dog. Those are far out of bounds and should be reported to appropriate authorities.
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Tarryn Nightstorm
Hellstar Towing and Recovery
328
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Posted - 2012.03.30 02:55:00 -
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Aiden Andraste wrote:Now that you've apologized, its time to throw you out the CSM and ban you right? Oh, that only applies to The Mittani eh? Okay, thanks for your meaningless words Issler.
It's far too late to backpeddle now, you're a bandwagoning goon hater and that's that.
EDIT: derped a herp
The fallacy of false equivalency is strong in this one.
In irae, veritas. |
Tarryn Nightstorm
Hellstar Towing and Recovery
328
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Posted - 2012.03.30 03:03:00 -
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None ofthe Above wrote:Tarsus Zateki wrote:Not just a hypocrite, but a delusional hypocrite. You've helped to damage a person's real life reputation and get him thrown under a bus by the corporation he devoted hundreds of hours to helping. All to further your own goals in a video game. You're insane, you are actually out of your god damn mind that you're willing to harm a person over a video game. This isn't even meta-gaming, its just sick. You know every time I look at rants like this I have to wonder how things would have gone if say Darius was the one that had made the mistake. You think for one second that your lot wouldn't have gone after Darius much harder for the same offense? Who's the hypocrite? And you are delusional if you think your rant is the truth, but you don't. You are just sperging.
^^This^^
STFU/GTFO goons--your figurehead finally got it through his head that his time is finished, now why don't the rest of you? In irae, veritas. |
Aiden Andraste
State War Academy Caldari State
188
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Posted - 2012.03.30 03:03:00 -
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Tarryn Nightstorm wrote:The fallacy of false equivalency is strong in this one. 1980 called, they want their tired star wars memes back. |
Tarryn Nightstorm
Hellstar Towing and Recovery
328
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Posted - 2012.03.30 03:06:00 -
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Aiden Andraste wrote:Tarryn Nightstorm wrote:The fallacy of false equivalency is strong in this one. 1980 called, they want their tired star wars memes back.
**** off, bru.
There, is that meme-free enough for you?
E: Actually, that meme dates back to 1977, if you really want to get technical about it. In irae, veritas. |
Aiden Andraste
State War Academy Caldari State
189
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Posted - 2012.03.30 03:17:00 -
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Tarryn Nightstorm wrote:Aiden Andraste wrote:Tarryn Nightstorm wrote:The fallacy of false equivalency is strong in this one. 1980 called, they want their tired star wars memes back. **** off, bru. There, is that meme-free enough for you? E: Actually, that meme dates back to 1977, if you really want to get technical about it. Whatever floats your boat, meight. I do sincerely appreciate your support in my call for Issler to step down though. |
The Elusive Tekitsu
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
1
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Posted - 2012.03.30 03:56:00 -
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MEPH1ST0 wrote:+1 to you issler for being the only one to speak your mind, and not wait to be coached into a responce behind closed doors. I take my hat off to you sir
Oh, surely if you agree to "not being coached into a response behind closed doors", than, does that mean the poorly reviewed presentation of The Mittani was acceptable? Maybe The Mittani should have been coached behind closed doors to know/understand the consequence of what would've happened before going with it!? I don't know....maybe Issler wouldn't have made such a mistake going without the CSM 7 and riding solo to take the initiative(taking the initiative isn't a bad thing - really depends how you go about it). Maybe I'm just bias/blind to see the whole picture...or maybe really just tired....There's always a consequence no matter how good an intention is. Or maybe you're just trolling Wha, wha, what? Didn't hear, see, mind, or cared to pay attention. Sleep is awesome |
Frying Doom
Black Thorne Corporation Black Thorne Alliance
109
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Posted - 2012.03.30 04:02:00 -
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Tarsus Zateki wrote: We wouldn't be calling his house and mocking him on his answering machine. We wouldn't be making threats against his life or his dog's
I hope he has called the proper authorities. You are right this is just a game what is said and done in these forums and the game it's self are just a game.
I hope that all who have acted illegally in the real world are punished to the full extent of the law. No one should suffer Real Life consequences over a game. Any Spelling, gramatical and literary errors made by me are included free of charge. |
MEPH1ST0
DOUBLE IDENTITY BLACK-MARK
5
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Posted - 2012.03.30 04:02:00 -
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The Elusive Tekitsu wrote:MEPH1ST0 wrote:+1 to you issler for being the only one to speak your mind, and not wait to be coached into a responce behind closed doors. I take my hat off to you sir Oh, surely if you agree to "not being coached into a response behind closed doors", than, does that mean the poorly reviewed presentation of The Mittani was acceptable? Maybe The Mittani should have been coached behind closed doors to know/understand the consequence of what would've happened before going with it!? I don't know....maybe Issler wouldn't have made such a mistake going without the CSM 7 and riding solo to take the initiative(taking the initiative isn't a bad thing - really depends how you go about it). Maybe I'm just bias/blind to see the whole picture...or maybe really just tired....There's always a consequence no matter how good an intention is. Or maybe you're just trolling
No trolling.. i'm being genuine |
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