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Viktrus
Caldari Omega Engineering Inc.
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Posted - 2008.10.06 16:04:00 -
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I'm not far from being able to get a nighthawk. Just curious what setup most people use for lvl 4's. I know i know... get a raven blah blah blah cheaper blah blah. I have one .. just asking this out of curiosity.
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Derek Sigres
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Posted - 2008.10.06 16:11:00 -
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6 HML, 3 BCS and a passive tank really.
If you want to splurge, install CN HML's for a slight boost in DPS.
Basically, for PVE the NH operates on the same theory as the Drake, only it does about 12% more damage.
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Viktrus
Caldari Omega Engineering Inc.
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Posted - 2008.10.06 16:13:00 -
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Yeah the passive tank is kinda what I'm curious of. I was born in the days before the drake.. so i never ended up flying them. So i don't really have a good passive setup :)
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Last Wolf
Umbra Wing
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Posted - 2008.10.06 16:15:00 -
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I'm using atm
3x HML II, 1x offlined mod, 3x HML II.
1x Large Shield booser 2x Primary Hardener 1x Secondary Hardener 1x Cap recharger
3x BCU II's 2x Cap Flux Coil II
2x CCC rigs.
5x Hobgoblin II
Has tanked every Level 4 so far (except the one or two that I forgot to switch hardeners... oops, but even then It did OK).
I use the offline mod So I can Overload to kill some of the bigger mobs (esp the 2.5m boss in Vengence)
I love it so far, around 600 dps with drones (+3% RoF and HML damage implants, comandship V, Combat Drones V, drone interfacing V) Chews through frigs, 3 volleys most cruiser/BC's. BS are a bit slow though. __________________________________________________________
Originally by: Liang Nuren wrong forum isroy i am vjery drunm
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Derek Sigres
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Posted - 2008.10.06 16:20:00 -
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Originally by: Viktrus Yeah the passive tank is kinda what I'm curious of. I was born in the days before the drake.. so i never ended up flying them. So i don't really have a good passive setup :)
I was too but I have still flown the drake a great deal.
Essentially all you have to do is work off the premise that your shield actively repairs itself with two factors in consideration: shield HP and sheild recharge time. The trick is to balance the two figures until you reach a good compromise between the two (EFT will help with this). Don't forget about resists in the process though.
Off the top of my head, I'd assume that 2 LSE, 3 rat specific hardners would probably maximize the effeciency of the mid slots. A few shield power relays (2 - 3 depending on number of BCS) in the low slots will boost the passive tank tremendously. Then throw in a set of core defense field purger rigs and you have the makings of a very stout passive tank.
This can be further expanded with the use of implants (there are shield recharge and HP implants, I suggest those along with the missile ROF and damage implants), and don't forget in a gang you can potentially recieve up to 10% more shield HP (and if you really feel silly you can wedge in a shield harmonizing gang mod but it won't be easy or useful 99.9% of the time).
A 5 mid slot 2 low slot 2 rig slot passive tank ought to be more than sufficient in a NH. You won't be slinging tremendous damage but it will be sufficient and you'll be sporting a tank sturdy enough to buy you all the time you'll need to chew through the tougher rats.
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Connor Banks
Caldari State War Academy
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Posted - 2008.10.06 19:15:00 -
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Edited by: Connor Banks on 06/10/2008 19:17:14 I used to pilot a Nighthawk for level 4 missions. Here's my setup.
HI: 6xHML T2 (wit fury ammo as they give some 16% more damage), 1xTractor ME: 1xLarge Shield Booster T2, 3x Mission spec shield hardneres, 1x Capbooster LO: 4xNavy Ballistic, 1xPDU T2 RIGS: 1x Hydraulic thruster, 1x Rocket fuel
Effective range with relevant missile support skills at lvl4/5 is 45-50 km. Capbooster is there in case something goes wrong (like missioning while drunk and pulling pocket aggro among sansha ships).
DPS is insane, some 600-700 with T2 drones depending on implants and drone skills (Note: this is kinetic damage). However, as someone pointed out...it kills BSs rather slowly. I blame it on the defenders. This is why I finally decided to train for battleships and now pilot a Raven.
Fly safe
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Yoko Lee
Caldari
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Posted - 2008.10.06 19:30:00 -
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My NH pve :
6x HML II, 1x tractor beam 1x small pithii B shield booster, 1x CN shield amplifier, 2x hardeners II, 1x invul II (or 1x hardener II, 2x invul II) 2x pds II, 3x bcs II
2x rigs em
5x hornet II
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SpinkTon
Caldari Black Reign
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Posted - 2008.10.06 23:55:00 -
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semi passive. low maintenance setup
6 hml2 2 large extenders 2 hardners specific 1 shield recharger or antoher hardner (need to manage cap) or whatever
5 shield power relays
sub ballistics for more damage and less tank
purgers
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Lyvanna Kitaen
Minmatar Noonday Sun Corp
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Posted - 2008.10.07 01:45:00 -
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My lvl 4 Nighthawk setup:
6x HML II (or CN if you have isk) 1x Drone link ---- 2x LSE II 1x Shield Recharger II 2x rat specific hardeners ---- 3x BCS II (or CN if you have isk) 2x SPR (I use Beta Reactor Controls) ---- 2x CDFP rigs
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Squatch
Caldari Defenders of the Faith
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Posted - 2008.10.07 05:46:00 -
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I have both an active and passive fit NH, prefer the active. Using T2 (with the exception of the booster and SBA), it will permanently omni-tank 450'ish dps. Faction fit, it will omni-tank over 650 dps. As I typically run multiple accounts, looting/salvaging on a 2nd if I run L4's, I prefer the felxibility of the perma setups as I don't always have the primary window in focus to closely monitor my tank.
[Nighthawk, Active] Ballistic Control System II Ballistic Control System II Ballistic Control System II Power Diagnostic System II Power Diagnostic System II
Caldari Navy Shield Boost Amplifier Photon Scattering Field II Invulnerability Field II Pithum C-Type Medium Shield Booster 10MN Afterburner II
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile Small Tractor Beam I
Core Defence Field Extender I Capacitor Control Circuit I
Hobgoblin II x5
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slothe
Caldari Murky Inc.
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Posted - 2008.10.07 06:40:00 -
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Edited by: slothe on 07/10/2008 06:42:42
personally i dont see the nh as justifying the cost over the drake tbh. The drake and the nh can do similar damage, well set up, to a raven.
Id suggest buying a CNR tbh, they are cheap nowadays.
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Andrue
Amarr
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Posted - 2008.10.07 06:56:00 -
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Originally by: Lyvanna Kitaen My lvl 4 Nighthawk setup:
6x HML II (or CN if you have isk) 1x Drone link ---- 2x LSE II 1x Shield Recharger II 2x rat specific hardeners ---- 3x BCS II (or CN if you have isk) 2x SPR (I use Beta Reactor Controls) ---- 2x CDFP rigs
Swap the Shield Recharger for another LSE. It just (only just) gives you a tad more tank.
I also prefer to use T2 purgers before going for 3 BCS..but then I like to play safe
Lastly I have a Medium Beam II in my spare high-slot. I can control my drones out to 54km on skills alone and the medium beam has given many a frigate an unpleasant experience -- (Sarcastic mission running veteran, 4+ years)
[Brackley, UK]
My budgie can say "ploppy bottom". You have been warned. |
Andrue
Amarr
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Posted - 2008.10.07 07:04:00 -
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Originally by: slothe Edited by: slothe on 07/10/2008 06:42:42
personally i dont see the nh as justifying the cost over the drake tbh. The drake and the nh can do similar damage, well set up, to a raven.
No they don't. I'd agree that the jump from Drake to NH is hard to justify but the DPS of the NH is significantly beyond that of a Drake. Running L4 missions in a Drake can be like pulling teeth. I pity any Drake pilot that's gone up against Rachen Mysuna for instance
A Nighthawk actually completes most missions almost as fast as a cruise CNR.
Quote: Id suggest buying a CNR tbh, they are cheap nowadays.
Not as cheap as a NH. For 500mil you can get a NH that can tank any L4 mission with ease and that will breeze through them quite a bit faster than a Raven.
I'm currently near the end of a project to pimp out a CNR and it's still only averaging 10% faster than my NH on most missions. The only mission that has shown a significant reduction in time is GE4. Other than there's little to nothing in it.
But justifying A Nighthawk for PvE is tricky. The skill requirement is probably the biggy although more recently it helps move you into other areas so isn't so bad. The NH suits a particular mission running style (few other ships have such a mistake- and bullet-proof tank) but also happens to be one of the faster mission running ships. -- (Sarcastic mission running veteran, 4+ years)
[Brackley, UK]
My budgie can say "ploppy bottom". You have been warned. |
SpinkTon
Caldari Black Reign
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Posted - 2008.10.07 19:44:00 -
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Originally by: Andrue
Originally by: Lyvanna Kitaen My lvl 4 Nighthawk setup:
6x HML II (or CN if you have isk) 1x Drone link ---- 2x LSE II 1x Shield Recharger II 2x rat specific hardeners ---- 3x BCS II (or CN if you have isk) 2x SPR (I use Beta Reactor Controls) ---- 2x CDFP rigs
Swap the Shield Recharger for another LSE. It just (only just) gives you a tad more tank.
Doesnt fit
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Andrue
Amarr
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Posted - 2008.10.07 20:52:00 -
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Edited by: Andrue on 07/10/2008 20:58:58
Originally by: SpinkTon
Originally by: Andrue
Originally by: Lyvanna Kitaen My lvl 4 Nighthawk setup:
6x HML II (or CN if you have isk) 1x Drone link ---- 2x LSE II 1x Shield Recharger II 2x rat specific hardeners ---- 3x BCS II (or CN if you have isk) 2x SPR (I use Beta Reactor Controls) ---- 2x CDFP rigs
Swap the Shield Recharger for another LSE. It just (only just) gives you a tad more tank.
Doesnt fit
Does for me :)
In truth I spent six months telling people that 3xLSE II was impossible. Then suddenly I found out that it wasn't. I don't know if there was a skill I finally trained (doubtful given the age of my char) or a secret buff or what. But my current setup is:
6xCN HML;Medium Beam II 3xLSEII;DGI;<rat specific> 3xCN BCS;2xSPR II 2xPurger II
Tanky Spank
That has a BCS/SPR swapped out but it works either way.
But if you can't fit it then don't despair. The tank improvement is very small. It might even be offset by the increase in sig radius. Can't remember if any ever ran the numbers on that although the question was asked a few months back. -- (Sarcastic mission running veteran, 4+ years)
[Brackley, UK]
My budgie can say "ploppy bottom". You have been warned. |
Last Wolf
Umbra Wing
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Posted - 2008.10.07 21:07:00 -
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Look at the fittings of 6x HML II and 6x CN HML.
No wonder 3x LSE II's suddenly fit. __________________________________________________________
Originally by: Liang Nuren wrong forum isroy i am vjery drunm
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Marine HK4861
Caldari Radical Technologies
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Posted - 2008.10.07 22:14:00 -
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Just derailing the thread slightly, does anybody bother to fit any warfare links on their nighthawk for group missions, or would you use a vulture instead for the additional links?
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Ademaro Imre
Caldari Intrepid Crossing
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Posted - 2008.10.07 23:37:00 -
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The Nighthawk will be doing more damage that 12% over a Drake in level 4 missions. The previous poster with that statistic neglected the Nighthawk's Guided Missile Precision bonus. The Nighthawk chews through frigs. Sometimes its just easier to assign two launchers to targets than assigning drones to those targets as a traditional mission procedure would go. With Guided missile precision 5, I was getting 60+ hits with t1 missiles on elite frigs in an AE mission.
With Command Ship 5, 5% heavy missile damage hardwiring, 5% shield recharge rate hardwiring, and Scourge faction missiles (t2 launcher of course, CS 5 gives the scourge damage bonus greater effect than thermal damage), one can easily tank the AE bonus room if targeting the batteries first with faction, then going to t1 for the ships (and 2LSEII, 3x damage hardeners II, 3x SPRII, 2x BCSII). Those two hardwires should be a LP priority if low on isk, get them for 75+ K lp. I'd rather damage bonus than rof to lessen waste of missiles, especially when using faction ammo. The rof on a Nighthawk is already fast, and such a hardwiring may be more important for larger launchers on battleships.
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Rawr Cristina
Caldari Naqam Exalted.
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Posted - 2008.10.07 23:51:00 -
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If you're really rich you could deadspace fit and get a stupendous tank. I use a Pithum A-Type medium booster, pair of CN Invuls, Low-grade Crystals and 4x CN BCS. Permatanks almost 1.3k DPS whilst spitting out 540 or so (t1 ammo)
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Ademaro Imre
Caldari Intrepid Crossing
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Posted - 2008.10.08 00:08:00 -
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Originally by: Marine HK4861 Just derailing the thread slightly, does anybody bother to fit any warfare links on their nighthawk for group missions, or would you use a vulture instead for the additional links?
A gang would not need any warfare links. A nighthawk can tank it all. Some missions have fleet aggro, but those would be special cases. So, if using warfare link, it would be a recon or rapid deployment link, but they probably will not have much effect on the mission.
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velmistr Ecco
Caldari InNova Tech Inc Ethereal Dawn
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Posted - 2008.10.09 17:20:00 -
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Originally by: Rawr Cristina If you're really rich you could deadspace fit and get a stupendous tank. I use a Pithum A-Type medium booster, pair of CN Invuls, Low-grade Crystals and 4x CN BCS. Permatanks almost 1.3k DPS whilst spitting out 540 or so (t1 ammo)
I don't see a point in LG crystal set: [Nighthawk, Pithum A-type] Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System
Caldari Navy Shield Boost Amplifier Caldari Navy Shield Boost Amplifier Pithum A-Type Medium Shield Booster Caldari Navy Invulnerability Field Caldari Navy Invulnerability Field
Caldari Navy Heavy Missile Launcher, Scourge Heavy Missile Caldari Navy Heavy Missile Launcher, Scourge Heavy Missile Caldari Navy Heavy Missile Launcher, Scourge Heavy Missile Caldari Navy Heavy Missile Launcher, Scourge Heavy Missile Caldari Navy Heavy Missile Launcher, Scourge Heavy Missile Caldari Navy Heavy Missile Launcher, Scourge Heavy Missile Small Tractor Beam I
Capacitor Control Circuit I Capacitor Control Circuit I
Hobgoblin II x5
Tank is about 890 DPS - more than enough for lvl4s. Still pretty expensive and I beleive raven performs better with similair setup :( But I like NH more.
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Zaintiraris
Caldari Archon Industries
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Posted - 2008.10.09 18:13:00 -
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If you can afford all of those CN modules, I would posit that it is worth sinking the ISK/Effort into getting a CN Raven instead, as this will boost your DPS and allow you to reduce the minimum time that a level 4 mission will take, rather than assisting to ensure that you are capable of completing the mission.
More missions = More ISK/LP income And you can make yourself have a high survivability (99.9%) in either ship, or at least I believe so. At worst, for similar time and money investment, you could probably get yourself a rattlesnake.
But of course, if you just REALLY WANT to fly a NH, then ignore this ---
Originally by: CCP Hammer This game was so much better back before people knew math.
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Viktrus
Caldari Omega Engineering Inc.
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Posted - 2008.10.09 21:21:00 -
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Still amazed to see my post is still going.
I'm starting to get that feeling in eve that i don't always want to be a big slowpwnmobile like my raven. I've flown CNR's, and yes they are a nice ship, i just think the nighthawk looks like a nice respectable ship. I'm a big fan of showing off your tenure in eve :)
Sometimes its nice flying something that doesn't handle like a 1960's Cadillac .
That being said, It's taken me this long to finally be able to fly one (with the proper skills). I guess i just wan't to fly something rewarding
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Faekurias
Black Legion Command
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Posted - 2008.10.09 23:00:00 -
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Edited by: Faekurias on 09/10/2008 23:01:25 [Nighthawk, AFK Missions] Shield Power Relay II Shield Power Relay II Shield Power Relay II Shield Power Relay II Ballistic Control System II
Large Shield Extender II Large Shield Extender II 3x Rat Specific Hardeners
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile [Tractorman]
Core Defence Field Purger I Core Defence Field Purger I
Hornet II x5
I did it this way because I want to be able to be entirely AFK When missioning, since I hate it so much. So I jsut lock and press F1-F8 now and then. Works to afk pretty much everything, never had a problem yet. Also: all t2 so it's very cheap.
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FT Diomedes
Gallente Ductus Exemplo
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Posted - 2008.10.10 00:44:00 -
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[Nighthawk, CN Nighthawk] Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System Damage Control II Shield Power Relay II Shield Power Relay II
Large Shield Extender II Large Shield Extender II Photon Scattering Field II Invulnerability Field II Invulnerability Field II
Caldari Navy Heavy Missile Launcher, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile Caldari Navy Heavy Missile Launcher, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile Caldari Navy Heavy Missile Launcher, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile Caldari Navy Heavy Missile Launcher, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile Caldari Navy Heavy Missile Launcher, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile Caldari Navy Heavy Missile Launcher, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile Drone Link Augmentor I
Core Defence Field Purger I Core Defence Field Purger I
Hobgoblin II x5
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Lyvanna Kitaen
Minmatar Noonday Sun Corp
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Posted - 2008.10.10 02:18:00 -
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Originally by: Andrue
Originally by: Lyvanna Kitaen My lvl 4 Nighthawk setup:
6x HML II (or CN if you have isk) 1x Drone link ---- 2x LSE II 1x Shield Recharger II 2x rat specific hardeners ---- 3x BCS II (or CN if you have isk) 2x SPR (I use Beta Reactor Controls) ---- 2x CDFP rigs
Swap the Shield Recharger for another LSE. It just (only just) gives you a tad more tank.
I also prefer to use T2 purgers before going for 3 BCS..but then I like to play safe
Lastly I have a Medium Beam II in my spare high-slot. I can control my drones out to 54km on skills alone and the medium beam has given many a frigate an unpleasant experience
I think the 3rd LSE vs. recharger is about a wash. What you gain in sheild amount, you lose in increased sig radius. May have to give it a test to see if I can tell the difference though.
T2 rigs would be nice, but the gain doesn't seem to justify the cost -- for me at least.
I like the drone link because it makes my drones have the same range as my launchers. If I can hit them with missles, my drones can pwn them too.
I generally run L4's with 2 chars, my alt in the nighthawk and me in a CNR. With the combined DPS of both ships, I don't need a ridiculous tank for either one, since the enemies are dead fairly quickly.
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Svenja Success
Unlimited Success
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Posted - 2008.10.10 06:47:00 -
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Edited by: Svenja Success on 10/10/2008 06:48:30 Edited by: Svenja Success on 10/10/2008 06:47:33 6x HML II 1x Tractor Beam
2x LSE II 1x Invul II 2x Specific Hardener II
4x BCS II 1x Shield Power Relay II
2x Purger Rigs (t1 ofc)
Tanks EVERY Level 4 Missions with ease, has nice damage and is really really CHEAP! There is absolutly no need for any factionsmods or more "tank-mods" (but maybe some faction Ballistic Controls...)!
xxx Svenja Success
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Andrue
Amarr
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Posted - 2008.10.10 06:56:00 -
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Originally by: Viktrus Still amazed to see my post is still going.
I'm starting to get that feeling in eve that i don't always want to be a big slowpwnmobile like my raven. I've flown CNR's, and yes they are a nice ship, i just think the nighthawk looks like a nice respectable ship. I'm a big fan of showing off your tenure in eve :)
Sometimes its nice flying something that doesn't handle like a 1960's Cadillac .
That being said, It's taken me this long to finally be able to fly one (with the proper skills). I guess i just wan't to fly something rewarding
I still prefer the NH even though my CNR is consistently 10% faster at running missions. I can see myself using the CNR for extravaganzas (where it's a lot faster) but the NH is just so much less hassle.
No need to worry about when to activate a sheild booster. No need to even think about cap usage. Drones are optional so you can happily just hammer away with missiles on everything if you want.
A CNR (Golem) is surely the best way to make ISK in the shortest time but for pleasure and zero hassle..I'm still voting for the NH. |
Andrue
Amarr
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Posted - 2008.10.10 07:00:00 -
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Originally by: Lyvanna Kitaen I think the 3rd LSE vs. recharger is about a wash. What you gain in sheild amount, you lose in increased sig radius. May have to give it a test to see if I can tell the difference though.
It could be. I know it was discussed in another thread but I don't think anyone ever worked it out for sure. I feel that I did notice an improvement but certainly it's borderline.
Quote: T2 rigs would be nice, but the gain doesn't seem to justify the cost -- for me at least.
Yah. I no-longer look at the cost side of missions. For me it was all about pimping my NH and getting some extra gank from the 3rd BCS without losing too much tank.
Quote: I like the drone link because it makes my drones have the same range as my launchers. If I can hit them with missles, my drones can pwn them too.
I might try that some time but I don't trust drones. It's ironic given how many points I've now put into them but I never was keen. It took me a year to even get round to using them, lol. |
Andrue
Amarr
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Posted - 2008.10.10 07:01:00 -
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Originally by: Last Wolf Look at the fittings of 6x HML II and 6x CN HML.
No wonder 3x LSE II's suddenly fit.
Ah, heh. Yeah. Well there you have it then. Don't forget that the CN launchers also hold more missiles. Having 45 launches before you need to reload is nice. |
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