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ROXGenghis
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Posted - 2008.10.08 03:21:00 -
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So here's something I haven't found an answer to in my research:
Unlike ship probes, survey probes have racial types (grav, mag, radar, ladar). I understand how these work in exploration, but what about ship scanning? When using a survey probe to find a missioner in deadspace, should I be matching my probe type to my ship or the target ship? It goes to this: will the probe (for example) *operate* on grav, or *seek* grav? If the former, I assume a Caldari ship should always use a grav probe. If the latter, I assume you should carry 4 types of probes depending on your target.
Anyone do a test on this yet? Or is it glaringly obvious and as a newbie I'm just out-thinking the issue?
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soldieroffortune 258
Gallente Trinity Council
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Posted - 2008.10.08 03:47:00 -
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Edited by: soldieroffortune 258 on 08/10/2008 03:50:44 Edited by: soldieroffortune 258 on 08/10/2008 03:50:33 Edited by: soldieroffortune 258 on 08/10/2008 03:48:11
Originally by: ROXGenghis So here's something I haven't found an answer to in my research:
Unlike ship probes, survey probes have racial types (grav, mag, radar, ladar). I understand how these work in exploration, but what about ship scanning? When using a survey probe to find a missioner in deadspace, should I be matching my probe type to my ship or the target ship? It goes to this: will the probe (for example) *operate* on grav, or *seek* grav? If the former, I assume a Caldari ship should always use a grav probe. If the latter, I assume you should carry 4 types of probes depending on your target.
Anyone do a test on this yet? Or is it glaringly obvious and as a newbie I'm just out-thinking the issue?
actually, those kinds of probes (gravimetric, radar, ect) arent the best ones to use to find ships, they are to find other things for exploration, and each one finds different things
gravimetric = hidden asteroid belts ladar = hacking sites (i believe)
im not sure about magnemetronic and radar, but anyways, they find different things
will get a link
EDIT: oh, and FIRST ! ! ! YES
linky
about 1/4 down the page shows what each type finds
Originally by: soldieroffortune 258
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Aniel Zaar
Gallente Light of Orion
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Posted - 2008.10.08 03:52:00 -
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Edited by: Aniel Zaar on 08/10/2008 03:54:27 Edited by: Aniel Zaar on 08/10/2008 03:52:58 Radar sigs are the hacking sites, ladar are the gas clouds. Magnetometric are for archeological sites, gravs you got right, hidden belts.
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Myrhial Arkenath
Ghost Festival
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Posted - 2008.10.08 07:13:00 -
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Afaik matching the probe type to the ship type gives higher odds of getting a hit. Exploration probes give a higher chance than recon probes, but the scan takes way longer and the scan range is 4AU at most.
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Magus Nebula
Repo Industries R.E.P.O.
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Posted - 2008.10.08 07:36:00 -
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Originally by: Myrhial Arkenath Afaik matching the probe type to the ship type gives higher odds of getting a hit. Exploration probes give a higher chance than recon probes, but the scan takes way longer and the scan range is 4AU at most.
quite correct. i think the negitives of the racials outweigh the pros. and in a fast paced pvp situation regular scan probes that only need 25 secs do fine!
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Myrhial Arkenath
Ghost Festival
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Posted - 2008.10.08 12:28:00 -
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Exploration probes have the advantage that people may mistake you for an honest explorer, but the lower your sec status the dumber your target has to be to be fooled by that Downside of recon probes is that if your target is smart enough to not use drones in deadspace your chances of finding them are very slim. Though exploration probes hardly are a fix here because of the range
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Artemis Rose
Varion Galactic Accord Corporate Enterprise Syndicate
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Posted - 2008.10.08 13:01:00 -
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Originally by: Magus Nebula i think the negitives of the racials outweigh the pros. and in a fast paced pvp situation regular scan probes that only need 25 secs do fine!
True, for targets at safespots, targets you need warp-ins on, etc. the normal scan probes all the way.
However, specific targets in deadspace will be incredibly hard to find, so you'll most likely need exploration (racial) probes to find those.
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ROXGenghis
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Posted - 2008.10.08 13:42:00 -
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Good, I'm glad to see these last few posts have zeroed in on the question: If I can get within 4 or even 2 AU of a specific missioner in deadspace using my directional scanner and a nice set of bookmarks, which racial probe should I use? It looks like using the correct one can give me 12-25x higher chance to hit than a snoop probe, and I think I can get my scan time down to just a couple of minutes (even if multiple scans are needed, the missioner should be in there a while).
The one "AFAIK" answer I've gotten so far from Myrhial indicates I should match the probe to the sensor type of the ship I'm trying to locate, not to my own ship. I appreciate that answer, thank you! Now I'm looking for more opinions or even a consensus on the issue and/or someone who has tested this in game.
It also occurs to me that CCP may not have written game code to support this type of off-use of exploration probes, and it may not even matter what type you use when using them to scan for ships.
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Brother Nightfall
Suddenly Ninjas
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Posted - 2008.10.08 16:11:00 -
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Originally by: ROXGenghis Good, I'm glad to see these last few posts have zeroed in on the question: If I can get within 4 or even 2 AU of a specific missioner in deadspace using my directional scanner and a nice set of bookmarks, which racial probe should I use? It looks like using the correct one can give me 12-25x higher chance to hit than a snoop probe, and I think I can get my scan time down to just a couple of minutes (even if multiple scans are needed, the missioner should be in there a while).
The one "AFAIK" answer I've gotten so far from Myrhial indicates I should match the probe to the sensor type of the ship I'm trying to locate, not to my own ship. I appreciate that answer, thank you! Now I'm looking for more opinions or even a consensus on the issue and/or someone who has tested this in game.
It also occurs to me that CCP may not have written game code to support this type of off-use of exploration probes, and it may not even matter what type you use when using them to scan for ships.
You use the appropriate probe for the target ship (Grav for Caldari, Radar for Amarr, etc.). Forget Recon probes; even in a crowded system like Motsu or Dodixie, they're inefficient, random and unreliable. Quest Scan probes are the pro's choice. You'll almost always get a green hit on your target within 1-2 cycles.
If you're adept enough to be able to land within 4AU of your target, you'd certainly be welcome here at Suddenly Ninjas. We always need good scanners.
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Stinky McPoopyPants
Minmatar Ninjas N Pirates
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Posted - 2008.10.08 21:14:00 -
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Edited by: Stinky Mc****yPants on 08/10/2008 21:16:14 I use quest probes to find mission runners, i use GRAV cuz i am lookin for ravens.
yea they take longer to scan but they also stick around a long time, over a hour so i can scan over and over and make alot of BM's to come back to and loot.
also they do seem to find caldari ships better then the other racials ive tried in motsu.
If you're adept enough to be able to land within 4AU of your target, you'd certainly be welcome here at Ninjas n Pirates. We always need good scanners, salavagers, looters, and crazy folk.
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doctorstupid2
The Accursed
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Posted - 2008.10.08 22:30:00 -
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Originally by: ROXGenghis Good, I'm glad to see these last few posts have zeroed in on the question: If I can get within 4 or even 2 AU of a specific missioner in deadspace using my directional scanner and a nice set of bookmarks, which racial probe should I use? It looks like using the correct one can give me 12-25x higher chance to hit than a snoop probe, and I think I can get my scan time down to just a couple of minutes (even if multiple scans are needed, the missioner should be in there a while).
The one "AFAIK" answer I've gotten so far from Myrhial indicates I should match the probe to the sensor type of the ship I'm trying to locate, not to my own ship. I appreciate that answer, thank you! Now I'm looking for more opinions or even a consensus on the issue and/or someone who has tested this in game.
It also occurs to me that CCP may not have written game code to support this type of off-use of exploration probes, and it may not even matter what type you use when using them to scan for ships.
The simple answer is you use the probe type that corresponds to the target's sensor type; e.g magnetometric for a gallente ship.
You are correct in that quest probes are 12.5x stronger than snoops, with 4x the scan time, making them beyond all dispute better inside of 4au. Period. Bookmarks are the key to success, as you mentioned.
And for shameless self-promotion, see deadspace 1 & 2 in my sig, the glorious, bloody results of exactly the method you've described.
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Sang Jin
Gallente Suddenly Ninjas
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Posted - 2008.10.09 00:12:00 -
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Edited by: Sang Jin on 09/10/2008 00:18:57 It actually doesn't matter which one you use as they have such a large sensor strength, even for the wrong signal type, that you pretty much cant miss.. Assuming your target is within 4AU of the probe..
For example, A Snoop probe as a strength of 20. That's pretty good. The Quest probes have a strength of 50 for the wrong sensor type and 250 for the right one. So even using it for the wrong one gives you 2.5 times the strength of the best recon probe. So if you know your target is within 4AU, any survey probe will do in a pinch.
Edit: Also, unlike Nightfall, I can usually get a green hit with a recon probe in 2 cycles, and I always get multiple hits with survey probes. Now if only there was a way to make ISK out of this
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Lars Lodar
Suicidal Tendencies Ltd
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Posted - 2008.10.09 01:53:00 -
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Hey! This isn't the racial profiling thread I was supposed to go to. Er, I mean...damn.
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Dotard
Minmatar Suddenly Ninjas
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Posted - 2008.10.09 12:33:00 -
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Edited by: Dotard on 09/10/2008 12:34:35
Originally by: Brother Nightfall Forget Recon probes; even in a crowded system like Motsu or Dodixie, they're inefficient, random and unreliable.
Bah! Only Communists use Scan Probes. Recon Probes is the way to go when looking for any old random mission runner.
They are random, but I've found them to be quite efficient and reliable. Gimme 30 seconds to lay out my Fathoms, another 30 scan time and I get plenty o' greens to warp to, BM and do my thing.
Nightfall is a Commie. Unless he's looking for a specific mission runner. Then he's doing it rite.
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