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Arthur Frayn
V.O.F.L IRON CORE H E L I C O N
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Posted - 2008.10.08 04:26:00 -
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I've been running them with a friend in losec with an Onyx and a Harbinger and they kick ass. Faction gear in some of them. Made 400k LP in a few days without all the tedious grinding level 4's. I do not fly a capital, nor would I dream of doing so for one of these.
Why the hell aren't you running level 5's?
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Megan Maynard
Minmatar 17th Minmatar Tactical Wing
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Posted - 2008.10.08 04:31:00 -
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lol, time.
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Paramite Pies
Minmatar Native Freshfood
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Posted - 2008.10.08 04:32:00 -
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Originally by: Arthur Frayn I've been running them with a friend in losec with an Onyx and a Harbinger and they kick ass. Faction gear in some of them. Made 400k LP in a few days without all the tedious grinding level 4's. I do not fly a capital, nor would I dream of doing so for one of these.
Why the hell aren't you running level 5's?
Apparently not long ago they didn't hold good rewards for the risk. But they were given a boost recently, so now they are a little more desirable. Plus devoted mission runners are mostly care bears. I'd love to do a level 5 someday. __________________ Subscription ends: 10/13/08 |
Arthur Frayn
V.O.F.L IRON CORE H E L I C O N
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Posted - 2008.10.08 04:41:00 -
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Originally by: Paramite Pies Apparently not long ago they didn't hold good rewards for the risk. But they were given a boost recently, so now they are a little more desirable. Plus devoted mission runners are mostly care bears. I'd love to do a level 5 someday.
I run them for the thrill and the challenge. And the ludicrous rewards you get if you run them with just two people.
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Joe
Umbra Legion Shadow Empire.
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Posted - 2008.10.08 04:44:00 -
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Quote: Faction gear in some of them
Any chance you could post the name of the mission? I've never seen faction spawn yet, compared to the dozens ive seen in lvl 3 & 4's, but it sounds prommising that there are shinys that have a chance to drop in certain missions.
I'm alittle concerened with this part of your post tho:
Quote: I do not fly a capital, nor would I dream of doing so for one of these.
Not only is it offtopic in the paragraph you included it in, but it looks like you didnt format your troll post properly before posting.
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Paramite Pies
Minmatar Native Freshfood
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Posted - 2008.10.08 04:44:00 -
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How much ISK (ISK + Loot Value) can you get from 1 Level 5? __________________ Subscription ends: 10/13/08 |
Joe
Umbra Legion Shadow Empire.
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Posted - 2008.10.08 04:47:00 -
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Originally by: Paramite Pies How much ISK (ISK + Loot Value) can you get from 1 Level 5?
Usually about 30m if the rats have bounties, Most of the time tho theres no bountys but lots of faction tags.
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Paramite Pies
Minmatar Native Freshfood
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Posted - 2008.10.08 04:49:00 -
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Originally by: Joe
Originally by: Paramite Pies How much ISK (ISK + Loot Value) can you get from 1 Level 5?
Usually about 30m if the rats have bounties, Most of the time tho theres no bountys but lots of faction tags.
Hmm, I really need to find someone to run 5s with then, maybe I can get enough ISK to pay for a GTC. __________________ Subscription ends: 10/13/08 |
Arthur Frayn
V.O.F.L IRON CORE H E L I C O N
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Posted - 2008.10.08 04:50:00 -
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Originally by: Joe Any chance you could post the name of the mission?
Do you think I'm stupid? I had to find it out for myself.
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Arthur Frayn
V.O.F.L IRON CORE H E L I C O N
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Posted - 2008.10.08 04:54:00 -
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Originally by: Joe Not only is it offtopic in the paragraph you included it in, but it looks like you didnt format your troll post properly before posting.
I included that because CCP's initial word on level 5's was that you need capitals to handle them. I don't know how many players follow that guideline, and I wanted to let people know it was false.
And this is hardly a troll post. I'm hoping to inspire people to try them because they're fun and I don't see many doing them.
You're the one trolling, not me. Troll.
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Kiska Centrada
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Posted - 2008.10.08 05:16:00 -
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I have tried to convince friends to run them with me and they pretty much refuse to until they can get a carrier in there, and they also refuse to take a carrier out in lowsec without a support fleet so... I'm stuck all by myself.
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Faife
Noctiscion
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Posted - 2008.10.08 05:19:00 -
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Edited by: Faife on 08/10/2008 05:21:11
Originally by: Arthur Frayn Onyx and a Harbinger
"Extras: Energy Neut Towers"
Originally by: Arthur Frayn Onyx and Harbinger
"Extras: Energy Neut Towers"
does not compute
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Arthur Frayn
V.O.F.L IRON CORE H E L I C O N
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Posted - 2008.10.08 05:22:00 -
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Originally by: Faife Edited by: Faife on 08/10/2008 05:21:11
Originally by: Arthur Frayn Onyx and a Harbinger
"Extras: Energy Neut Towers"
Originally by: Arthur Frayn Onyx and Harbinger
"Extras: Energy Neut Towers"
does not compute
Passive tanked Onyx. Code should compile now.
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Arthur Frayn
V.O.F.L IRON CORE H E L I C O N
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Posted - 2008.10.08 05:23:00 -
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Originally by: Kiska Centrada I have tried to convince friends to run them with me and they pretty much refuse to until they can get a carrier in there, and they also refuse to take a carrier out in lowsec without a support fleet so... I'm stuck all by myself.
Your friends are idiots. Join my corp!
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Jmanis Catharg
Caldari State Protectorate
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Posted - 2008.10.08 05:29:00 -
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Shoot me an evemail if you'd like an extra man in there with a station i can sign up at, think my carebear standings prove my intent enough :) |
Faife
Noctiscion
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Posted - 2008.10.08 05:30:00 -
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Originally by: Arthur Frayn Passive tanked Onyx. Code should compile now.
this is the second time today i read "onyx" as "omen"
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Arthur Frayn
V.O.F.L IRON CORE H E L I C O N
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Posted - 2008.10.08 05:35:00 -
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Edited by: Arthur Frayn on 08/10/2008 05:37:30 Disclaimer:
If anyone wants to "join" me for a level 5 in losec, the only way in hell I'll trust them is if they join my corp and spend several months with us. That includes being on teamspeak or vent.
-- Eventus stultorum magister. |
iudex
Caldari State Protectorate
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Posted - 2008.10.08 05:53:00 -
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The problem i see here is the low value of lps. Sure you get up to 60k lp for a level 5 mission, but lps aren't worth much nowadays.
Before the introduction of the lp shop one was able to get over 2.000 isk/lp with a little patience (cnr bpc offers). With the lp shop faction ammo kept the price at an equal level for a while, but today you hardly get 1000 isk/lp. Maybe with some nieche modules where you have no competition, but if you go with common modules, and in particular with ammo, you won't get much isk for your lps anymore. And if you want to cash in huge ammounts of lps you will depend on items that are bought in masses, which mainly is faction ammo.
The price continues to sink, the more people start doing level 5 missions, the worse it gets. Since the reward of level 5s is mainly based on lps, they won't be any better on the long term, compared to level 4s, where you get a solid ammount of bounties and standard loot. _________________________________________ Faction Standings: Serpentis +7.60 // Angel Cartel +7.31 // Minmatar Republic -8.56 // Gallente Federation -9.71
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Jmanis Catharg
Caldari State Protectorate
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Posted - 2008.10.08 05:59:00 -
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Quote: If anyone wants to "join" me for a level 5 in losec, the only way in hell I'll trust them is if they join my corp and spend several months with us. That includes being on teamspeak or vent.
And for a moment there I thought I was going to reactivate my account. Sorry, but being a pet doesn't tickle my fancy. ---
Originally by: CCP Mitnal I went to the forums for special powers and all I got was a dancing padlock and a banhammer.
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Arthur Frayn
V.O.F.L IRON CORE H E L I C O N
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Posted - 2008.10.08 05:59:00 -
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I always turn down (wait 4 hours and turn down) any faction level 4 where only tags are dropped. Last week we found a faction large control tower bpc in the loot.
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Arthur Frayn
V.O.F.L IRON CORE H E L I C O N
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Posted - 2008.10.08 06:00:00 -
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Originally by: Jmanis Catharg
Quote: If anyone wants to "join" me for a level 5 in losec, the only way in hell I'll trust them is if they join my corp and spend several months with us. That includes being on teamspeak or vent.
And for a moment there I thought I was going to reactivate my account. Sorry, but being a pet doesn't tickle my fancy.
I don't fly with pets, only friends who I trust.
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Joe
Umbra Legion Shadow Empire.
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Posted - 2008.10.08 06:08:00 -
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Originally by: Arthur Frayn
I included that because CCP's initial word on level 5's was that you need capitals to handle them. I don't know how many players follow that guideline, and I wanted to let people know it was false.
on average 1/3rd of missions have no acceleration gate and allow capitals.
You dont need capitals, nor is it the 'standard' as the majority of missions dont allow them.
As far as not naming the 'Faction loot dropoping' mission go's, i find your response pretty childish, like im going to get off my ass, fly halfway across the universe, just to lag out in some caldri mission hub to steal your mission.
I only Run Amarrian missions, and i simply wanted to know if there was comparable missions for both caldari and amarr.
Your post is a troll as far as im concened, offers no content to properly discuss, and looks purely like this:
Quote: I do lvl 5 missions in a BC and logitics (cos im rad) it drops Faction loot (rad) I dont need capitals (cos I'm rad) Why cant you do that(cos your not rad?)
not exactly a great start to a general discussions topic, and not exactly inspiring from my piont of view.
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Leto Corleone
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Posted - 2008.10.08 06:19:00 -
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Originally by: Arthur Frayn I've been running them with a friend in losec with an Onyx and a Harbinger and they kick ass. Faction gear in some of them. Made 400k LP in a few days without all the tedious grinding level 4's. I do not fly a capital, nor would I dream of doing so for one of these.
Why the hell aren't you running level 5's?
I don't believe you. I checked the first 20 agents in your info, down to a standing of 4.4, none of them was a level 5 agent. If you did 400k lp you'd have a level 5 agent with very high standing or several level 5 agent with high standings, but you don't. Of course you'll now bring excuses like that this is your alt and such, but i don't believe you anymore.
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Arthur Frayn
V.O.F.L IRON CORE H E L I C O N
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Posted - 2008.10.08 06:35:00 -
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Edited by: Arthur Frayn on 08/10/2008 06:35:36
Originally by: Joe As far as not naming the 'Faction loot dropoping' mission go's, i find your response pretty childish, like im going to get off my ass, fly halfway across the universe, just to lag out in some caldri mission hub to steal your mission.
I certainly don't expect you to ruin my day if I give you the information. But I also don't believe in giving anyone who cares to read this thread a free leg up. Send me an evemail and I'll tell you.
Originally by: Joe Your post is a troll as far as im concened, offers no content to properly discuss, and looks purely like this:
Originally by: Joe I do lvl 5 missions in a BC and logitics (cos im rad)
I am.
Originally by: Joe it drops Faction loot (rad)
It does.
Originally by: Joe I dont need capitals (cos I'm rad)
I am.
Originally by: Joe Why cant you do that(cos your not rad?)
You're not.
Now that's what a troll looks like.
But seriously, where's the fun in being told which missions are good, which suck, so you can use them to grind?
Originally by: Vito Atreides I don't believe you. I checked the first 20 agents in your info, down to a standing of 4.4, none of them was a level 5 agent. If you did 400k lp you'd have a level 5 agent with very high standing or several level 5 agent with high standings, but you don't. Of course you'll now bring excuses like that this is your alt and such, but i don't believe you anymore.
I'm not an alt, I don't use alts, and I have no explanation as to why it doesn't show up on my info. Even if I did, I don't have to prove myself to you.
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Franga
NQX Innovations
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Posted - 2008.10.08 07:00:00 -
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Originally by: Jmanis Catharg
Quote: If anyone wants to "join" me for a level 5 in losec, the only way in hell I'll trust them is if they join my corp and spend several months with us. That includes being on teamspeak or vent.
And for a moment there I thought I was going to reactivate my account. Sorry, but being a pet doesn't tickle my fancy.
Pet? Where did that come from?
LOOK EVERYONE! I've found us a drama queen! ----------
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Jmanis Catharg
Caldari State Protectorate
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Posted - 2008.10.08 07:13:00 -
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Pet? Where did that come from?
LOOK EVERYONE! I've found us a drama queen!
Heheh.
The OP put into his now-moderated post, essentially 'Hey, join my corp if you want to run lvl 5's with a group' (added to by the fact that 'Join my corp') was left by the mod.
Being then shoved a list of demands
Quote: If anyone wants to "join" me for a level 5 in losec, the only way in hell I'll trust them is if they join my corp and spend several months with us. That includes being on teamspeak or vent.
Down my throat which boils down to "Do as I say or go away" amounts to being a pet in my books. Been down that path plenty of times and got nowhere but slapped in the face for it everytime. Call it a drama bomb if you like but. ---
Originally by: CCP Mitnal I went to the forums for special powers and all I got was a dancing padlock and a banhammer.
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Veldya
Guristari Freedom Fighters
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Posted - 2008.10.08 07:15:00 -
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I think someone people would let themselves get repeatedly kicked in the nuts for profit. L5s is the equivalent of getting repeatedly kicked in the nuts.
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Strill
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Posted - 2008.10.08 07:27:00 -
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Edited by: Strill on 08/10/2008 07:27:54
Originally by: Jmanis Catharg
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Pet? Where did that come from?
LOOK EVERYONE! I've found us a drama queen!
Heheh.
The OP put into his now-moderated post, essentially 'Hey, join my corp if you want to run lvl 5's with a group' (added to by the fact that 'Join my corp') was left by the mod.
Being then shoved a list of demands
Quote: If anyone wants to "join" me for a level 5 in losec, the only way in hell I'll trust them is if they join my corp and spend several months with us. That includes being on teamspeak or vent.
Down my throat which boils down to "Do as I say or go away" amounts to being a pet in my books. Been down that path plenty of times and got nowhere but slapped in the face for it everytime. Call it a drama bomb if you like but.
Notice how he explicitly says he requires that in order to build "trust". He doesn't say anything about doing exactly what he says. He never mentions any tasks that you have to do. You just have to be active and be willing to communicate on a regular basis so as to demonstrate that you're a trustworthy person.
It's a perfectly reasonable policy considering EVE's focus on discouraging players from trusting one another.
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Tiirae
The New Era HUZZAH FEDERATION
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Posted - 2008.10.08 07:28:00 -
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I've run a lot of level 5's dual-boxing with a typhoon and a guardian. 45000 LP all for yourself is pretty sweet. Then one day I got some Angels mission and it severely kicked my ass, lost 3 BS in 3 abortive attempts, so I scuttled back to safe L4's for a while. Doing it like that can be good but it's pretty fragile if anything goes wrong...
All you need is a capless tank that can handle 1500dps or so of the specific dmg type and you're set. Guardian with 6 large remote reppers makes that pretty easy.
Anyway, the OP is being a **** about not telling people stuff, FFS, how can it possibly hurt you? You don't want to give people a leg up? Why not? Again, how can it possibly hurt you?
I'd be more than happy to share intel on missions but I can't remember any of it to be honest.
And I was doing this on another account, not this one, if someone's going to go all sherlock like the other dude did earlier.
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Arthur Frayn
V.O.F.L IRON CORE H E L I C O N
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Posted - 2008.10.08 07:33:00 -
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Originally by: Jmanis Catharg The OP put into his now-moderated post, essentially 'Hey, join my corp if you want to run lvl 5's with a group' (added to by the fact that 'Join my corp') was left by the mod.
I hadn't even thought of it as advertising. It was an offer to help out someone who wasn't enjoying the game due to their timid friends. My mistake.
Originally by: Jmanis Catharg Being then shoved a list of demands
No, I don't trust anyone in the game who I haven't built up a dialogue with. This was not a demand to make you my pet. This was a statement that I don't run with strangers in places where they may or may not have a gank squad waiting for me.
I can't imagine anyone being stupid enough not to recognise this.
I like to consider myself a reasonable guy. I m also a reasonably paranoid guy. I don't want you or anyone to jump through hoops just for the privelage of hanging with me. This is an internet spaceship game, not highschool(irony ftw).
It's not "do as I say or go away", it's "prove you won't knife me and I'll trust you".
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