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Megan Maynard
Minmatar 17th Minmatar Tactical Wing
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Posted - 2008.10.09 14:05:00 -
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Edited by: Megan Maynard on 09/10/2008 14:08:44
Originally by: Kransthow Your also forgetting that blasters have the absolute worse tracking compared to their range and as such need 90% webs to reliably hit ships of their own class at their optimal
QFT.
Their "range" isn't awful like all gallente pilots claim. Not to mention T2 ammo completely kills that argument. (Where's the minny t2 high optimal autocannon ammo??????? Oh yeah we fight in fall off. )
Edit because I wasn't making much sense.....
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Esmenet
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Posted - 2008.10.09 14:14:00 -
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Originally by: Prometheus Exenthal
Originally by: Merin Ryskin They won't. AFs will still have no role, and will still suck. They will suck a lot less if they actually have the speed of a frigate, but that isn't enough to save them.
When the patch goes live, feel free to grab a cruiser and look me up
You will even die horribly to my osprey.
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Joss Sparq
Caldari ANZAC ALLIANCE Southern Cross Alliance
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Posted - 2008.10.09 14:30:00 -
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Originally by: Mikael Mechka After listening to the Dev Blog last night, several things stood out. 1. Assault Frigs where on the road to getting a speed increase along with regular frigs.
2. Defender Missiles may be getting some love, I remember a Dev saying possibly to be able to cover others in it's squad.
All I have to say:
* Also, I hope they'll give the AFs a little agility boost too.
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ellie mayer
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Posted - 2008.10.09 17:01:00 -
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Originally by: Joss Sparq All I have to say:
* Also, I hope they'll give the AFs a little agility boost too.
Would just die ( will several times no doubt ) for another mid slot on a Retribution.
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Terianna Eri
Amarr Scrutari
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Posted - 2008.10.09 17:10:00 -
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Originally by: Grimpak while I disagree in many things with merin, as a blaster user, I must say that she is correct in this assumption.
blasterships atm are just barely "ok". they tradeoff many things for damage only. an example is a comparision of a gank fitted buffer deimos vs a gank fitted buffer zealot. disregarading drone bay, you can make a 3 HS HPL zealot do barely the same dps as a 3 MFS neutron deimos for nearly twice to three times the range of the deimos (depending on ammo used). all that while maintaining nearly the same EHP (arround 20k). One can even say that the only diference between a zealot and a deimos is solely the drone bay, wich is not a good tradeoff for a loss of nearly 10km of optimal range, and comparatively better tracking.
FWIW, Deimos pretty much beats zealot 1v1 if it uses medium ECM drones >_>. I would agree that the tradeoff isn't so great, but a 50m3 drone bay is a pretty big advantage imho. __________________________________
Originally by: Arthur Frayn How much to ruin all your holes, luv?
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Grimpak
Gallente Trinity Nova Trinity Nova Alliance
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Posted - 2008.10.09 21:43:00 -
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Originally by: Terianna Eri FWIW, Deimos pretty much beats zealot 1v1 if it uses medium ECM drones >_>. I would agree that the tradeoff isn't so great, but a 50m3 drone bay is a pretty big advantage imho.
indeed it's true, but one can also argue that the only thing that makes the deimos "ok" is just the dronebay. strip it away, and it becomes a ship that is pretty much gimped in everything else: there are faster, tankier and also ships that do nearly the same damage at bigger ranges than the deimos.
hell I like my deimos as it is. but if you think about it, nearly all the "true" blaster ships (excluding the brutix/astarte) are only "ok" due to their dronebays. Hell, even the taranis is just that great because it's the only interceptor with 10m3 of dronebay. ---
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Raymond Sterns
Utopian Research I.E.L. The ENTITY.
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Posted - 2008.10.09 22:40:00 -
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Originally by: Grimpak
Originally by: Terianna Eri FWIW, Deimos pretty much beats zealot 1v1 if it uses medium ECM drones >_>. I would agree that the tradeoff isn't so great, but a 50m3 drone bay is a pretty big advantage imho.
indeed it's true, but one can also argue that the only thing that makes the deimos "ok" is just the dronebay. strip it away, and it becomes a ship that is pretty much gimped in everything else: there are faster, tankier and also ships that do nearly the same damage at bigger ranges than the deimos.
hell I like my deimos as it is. but if you think about it, nearly all the "true" blaster ships (excluding the brutix/astarte) are only "ok" due to their dronebays. Hell, even the taranis is just that great because it's the only interceptor with 10m3 of dronebay.
I though that was kind of the point. _
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Prometheus Exenthal
Genos Occidere
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Posted - 2008.10.09 22:48:00 -
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Originally by: Esmenet You will even die horribly to my osprey.
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Wet Ferret
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Posted - 2008.10.09 23:03:00 -
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I'd be happy if my Hawk could just out-dps a Kestrel. Or, hell, having equal DPS at least. But, yeah. These forums seriously need some indicator that the post has ended and the sig has started.
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Joss Sparq
Caldari ANZAC ALLIANCE Southern Cross Alliance
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Posted - 2008.10.10 01:11:00 -
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Originally by: ellie mayer Would just die ( will several times no doubt ) for another mid slot on a Retribution.
I would apprecite the extra middle slot there as well, but I think I've seen CCP say before that they like the 1 middle slot on the Retribution. Oh well. |
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abrasive soap
HOMELESS. Elitist Cowards
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Posted - 2008.10.10 04:48:00 -
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Originally by: Joss Sparq
Originally by: ellie mayer Would just die ( will several times no doubt ) for another mid slot on a Retribution.
I would apprecite the extra middle slot there as well, but I think I've seen CCP say before that they like the 1 middle slot on the Retribution. Oh well.
Because not being able to tackle/partial speed tank/catch stuff is fun . |
Zana Kito
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Posted - 2008.10.10 04:55:00 -
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CCP likes the retribution ..
Nobody besides ccp uses it. They obviously either see some advantages it has that everyone else just can't, right?
Defenders won't work at close range. Server lag will make this a no go area, and there's nothing CCP can do to fix. Time for a real anti-missile/drone ewar.
As for AF in general.. they need more slots. More mids/lows. |
Lyria Skydancer
Amarr Developmental Neogenics Amalgamated
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Posted - 2008.10.10 05:34:00 -
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Originally by: Zana Kito Edited by: Zana Kito on 10/10/2008 05:32:39 CCP likes the retribution ..
Nobody besides ccp uses it. They obviously either see some advantages it has that everyone else just can't, right?
CCP employees must automatically get an extra mid slots when they board a ship. ----------------------------------------- [Video] Support Barrage |
Joss Sparq
Caldari ANZAC ALLIANCE Southern Cross Alliance
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Posted - 2008.10.10 05:54:00 -
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Originally by: Lyria Skydancer
Originally by: Zana Kito Edited by: Zana Kito on 10/10/2008 05:32:39 CCP likes the retribution ..
Nobody besides ccp uses it. They obviously either see some advantages it has that everyone else just can't, right?
CCP employees must automatically get an extra mid slots when they board a ship.
Yes, which they use to store beer on long flights. |
Grimpak
Gallente Trinity Nova Trinity Nova Alliance
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Posted - 2008.10.10 07:35:00 -
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Originally by: Raymond Sterns
Originally by: Grimpak indeed it's true, but one can also argue that the only thing that makes the deimos "ok" is just the dronebay. strip it away, and it becomes a ship that is pretty much gimped in everything else: there are faster, tankier and also ships that do nearly the same damage at bigger ranges than the deimos.
hell I like my deimos as it is. but if you think about it, nearly all the "true" blaster ships (excluding the brutix/astarte) are only "ok" due to their dronebays. Hell, even the taranis is just that great because it's the only interceptor with 10m3 of dronebay.
I though that was kind of the point.
I don't believe that only having a good dronebay is enough for the future of the blaster ships. |
Raymond Sterns
Utopian Research I.E.L. The ENTITY.
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Posted - 2008.10.10 15:52:00 -
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Edited by: Raymond Sterns on 10/10/2008 15:51:48
Originally by: Grimpak
Originally by: Raymond Sterns
Originally by: Grimpak indeed it's true, but one can also argue that the only thing that makes the deimos "ok" is just the dronebay. strip it away, and it becomes a ship that is pretty much gimped in everything else: there are faster, tankier and also ships that do nearly the same damage at bigger ranges than the deimos.
hell I like my deimos as it is. but if you think about it, nearly all the "true" blaster ships (excluding the brutix/astarte) are only "ok" due to their dronebays. Hell, even the taranis is just that great because it's the only interceptor with 10m3 of dronebay.
I though that was kind of the point.
I don't believe that only having a good dronebay is enough for the future of the blaster ships.
I believe so.
I wish Caldari ships had a drone bay. _
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Stab Wounds
Caldari State Protectorate
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Posted - 2008.10.10 16:01:00 -
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Originally by: Raymond Sterns Edited by: Raymond Sterns on 10/10/2008 15:51:48
Originally by: Grimpak
Originally by: Raymond Sterns
Originally by: Grimpak indeed it's true, but one can also argue that the only thing that makes the deimos "ok" is just the dronebay. strip it away, and it becomes a ship that is pretty much gimped in everything else: there are faster, tankier and also ships that do nearly the same damage at bigger ranges than the deimos.
hell I like my deimos as it is. but if you think about it, nearly all the "true" blaster ships (excluding the brutix/astarte) are only "ok" due to their dronebays. Hell, even the taranis is just that great because it's the only interceptor with 10m3 of dronebay.
I though that was kind of the point.
I don't believe that only having a good dronebay is enough for the future of the blaster ships.
I believe so.
I wish Caldari ships had a drone bay.
And maybe a drone damage bonus. |
Raymond Sterns
Utopian Research I.E.L. The ENTITY.
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Posted - 2008.10.10 18:22:00 -
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Exactly. _
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Haniblecter Teg
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Posted - 2008.10.10 20:36:00 -
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With nano's getting nerfed AF's will again become the defacto cheap roamer. YOu'll see clouds of them. |
Princess 02
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Posted - 2008.10.11 03:34:00 -
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Originally by: Haniblecter Teg With nano's getting nerfed AF's will again become the defacto cheap roamer. YOu'll see clouds of them.
Hordes of AF will blot out the sun... we will fight in the dark...
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Fafnir Drake
Gallente Boob Heads Bionic Dawn
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Posted - 2008.10.11 06:17:00 -
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Originally by: Princess 02
Originally by: Haniblecter Teg With nano's getting nerfed AF's will again become the defacto cheap roamer. YOu'll see clouds of them.
Hordes of AF will blot out the sun... we will fight in the dark...
like the arrows in from the quote that is butchered here (deliberately and funnily, but still), AFs will fall from the sky if they aren't given some nice buffs. ------ "Tell a man there are 300 billion stars in the universe and he'll believe you. Tell him a bench has wet paint on it and he'll have to touch to be sure." |
Raymond Sterns
Utopian Research I.E.L. The ENTITY.
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Posted - 2008.10.11 06:22:00 -
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I say we give them all drone bays. _
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Letifer Deus
A Astroid Belt Lotto Syndicate
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Posted - 2008.10.11 06:47:00 -
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Edited by: Letifer Deus on 11/10/2008 06:54:15
Originally by: Raymond Sterns I say we give them all drone bays.
We should just take drone bays away from gallente. they are still going to be so OP after nerf.
Originally by: Megan Maynard Edited by: Megan Maynard on 09/10/2008 14:08:44
Originally by: Kransthow Your also forgetting that blasters have the absolute worse tracking compared to their range and as such need 90% webs to reliably hit ships of their own class at their optimal
QFT.
Their "range" isn't awful like all gallente pilots claim. Not to mention T2 ammo completely kills that argument. (Where's the minny t2 high optimal autocannon ammo??????? Oh yeah we fight in fall off. )
Edit because I wasn't making much sense.....
You're right, losing 200 dps and 25% tracking on my mega will make everything ok. Oh wait, no it doesn't. That just makes me a crappier version of a pulse geddon. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "Brought to you by the letter ARRR!" |
Hugh Ruka
Exploratio et Industria Morispatia
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Posted - 2008.10.11 07:45:00 -
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now you see why so many people favor missions over PvP ... the balance there is not that easy to mess up ... --- SIG --- CSM: your support is needed ! |
McCreary075
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Posted - 2008.10.11 23:23:00 -
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Originally by: Hugh Ruka now you see why so many people favor missions over PvP ... the balance there is not that easy to mess up ...
They are willing to trade entertainment/excitement for suicidal amounts of boredom??
Where is the FW for missions? I'm in!
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