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Micheal Dietrich
Caldari Terradyne Networks
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Posted - 2008.10.09 19:18:00 -
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Micheal Dietrich
Caldari Terradyne Networks
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Posted - 2008.10.09 19:18:00 -
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Last Wolf
Umbra Wing
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Posted - 2008.10.09 19:30:00 -
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Edited by: Last Wolf on 09/10/2008 19:30:31 Maybe Its just me being around guns my whole life but....
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Originally by: Liang Nuren wrong forum isroy i am vjery drunm
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Last Wolf
Umbra Wing
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Posted - 2008.10.09 19:30:00 -
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Edited by: Last Wolf on 09/10/2008 19:30:31 Maybe Its just me being around guns my whole life but....
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Originally by: Liang Nuren wrong forum isroy i am vjery drunm
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Herschel Yamamoto
Bloodmoney Incorporated
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Posted - 2008.10.09 19:34:00 -
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Contrary to popular belief, guns are not evil. Always good to see someone else realizing that. And I say that as a Canadian who has never touched one. ------------------ Herschel's Lottery #1 - Win a Kronos! |
Herschel Yamamoto
Bloodmoney Incorporated
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Posted - 2008.10.09 19:34:00 -
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Contrary to popular belief, guns are not evil. Always good to see someone else realizing that. And I say that as a Canadian who has never touched one. ------------------ Herschel's Lottery #1 - Win a Kronos! |
Gustavus Adolf
Interstellar Brotherhood of Gravediggers Privateer Alliance
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Posted - 2008.10.09 20:29:00 -
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Being former military, it's hard to imagine being scared of even the thought of a gun, but I'm glad to see people like this learning that guns really AREN'T evil devil tools.
Also, it helps that she's butch. I'm sure she'll now be the man in her relationship.
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Ghoest
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Posted - 2008.10.09 20:33:00 -
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Growing in rural America its this just seems silly.
If you think corp is different than a guild or clan you have some insecurity issues.
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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2008.10.09 20:34:00 -
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Heh @ past-tense quote : "You see, I'm absolutely terrified of guns and if I go my entire life without touching one, that will be just fine with me." Yeah, it's called a phobia. People usually try to get treatment for that. Being afraid of having a loaded gun pointed at you, sure, perfectly justifiable fear. Fear of the mere presence of a gun, phobia.
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Benco97
Gallente The Star League
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Posted - 2008.10.09 20:38:00 -
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This thread will be good for a quick game of "Spot the American"
I don't have a problem with guns, I believe that often they are unnecessary but I also appreciate the feeling of being able to land a shot with mechanical precision. I only shoot fabricated targets because life, even that of an animal like a rabbit or deer, is not mine to take away, I'd rather see them alive. I'm not saying nobody should I'm just saying that I personally cannot aim at a living thing and pull the trigger.
Originally by: P'uck
You're a DUMBASS - bold italic underline at the VERY LEAST.
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Terail Zoqial
Caldari
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Posted - 2008.10.09 21:04:00 -
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I'm from the UK, grew up on many farms and I just see guns the same as I see a shovel. It's just a tool.
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Kirra Liu
Gemini Industries Inc
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Posted - 2008.10.09 22:03:00 -
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Originally by: Terail Zoqial I'm from the UK, grew up on many farms and I just see guns the same as I see a shovel. It's just a tool.
A tool to put a quick end to chav's?
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Micheal Dietrich
Caldari Terradyne Networks
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Posted - 2008.10.09 22:17:00 -
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Originally by: Kirra Liu
Originally by: Terail Zoqial I'm from the UK, grew up on many farms and I just see guns the same as I see a shovel. It's just a tool.
A tool to put a quick end to chav's?
Nah, apparently that gets you arrested (but not prosecuted) even if your house has been robbed twice before.
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Kazuo Ishiguro
House of Marbles Zzz
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Posted - 2008.10.09 22:29:00 -
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I think you mean arrested, charged, tried, convicted and imprisoned... --- DIY copying in Liekuri 20:1 mineral compression Eve Online folding@home team |
Eomar
Veto Corp
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Posted - 2008.10.10 00:27:00 -
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Originally by: Kazuo Ishiguro I think you mean arrested, charged, tried, convicted and imprisoned...
moral of the story... leave no witnesess, leave no evidence.
I doubt anyone would have missed the thieving little scrotes.
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Raymond Sterns
Utopian Research I.E.L. The ENTITY.
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Posted - 2008.10.10 01:10:00 -
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I wonder how much crime rate would diminish if more people knew how to use a gun and not panic or faint when they see one. _
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Brea Lafail
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Posted - 2008.10.10 01:32:00 -
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My highschool physics teacher told us about a demonstration he used to do with a .22, then they made him switch to a pellet gun, then he couldn't do it at all just 'cause guns in schools became taboo.
I was like the reporter once, scared of guns; scared, but fascinated. So, went to a gun range, rented a 9mm, had a awesome time. |
Micheal Dietrich
Caldari Terradyne Networks
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Posted - 2008.10.10 02:06:00 -
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Originally by: Raymond Sterns I wonder how much crime rate would diminish if more people knew how to use a gun and not panic or faint when they see one.
Honestly, not much. A criminal is still a criminal.
But it's in my belief that radical concerns would not be so radical should those with no previous experience with a firearm is given a chance to try them out, even if they never hold a gun again for the rest of their life.
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nahtoh
Caldari StrikerCorp Dark Trinity Alliance
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Posted - 2008.10.10 02:09:00 -
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Originally by: Micheal Dietrich
Originally by: Kirra Liu
Originally by: Terail Zoqial I'm from the UK, grew up on many farms and I just see guns the same as I see a shovel. It's just a tool.
A tool to put a quick end to chav's?
Nah, apparently that gets you arrested (but not prosecuted) even if your house has been robbed twice before.
The nutter in question is not really a good example of resposable gun ownership...As I am not up on US law does the castle doctine come into play when you basicly set a improvised ambush (with mechanical noise makers and ammo stashes) in a storage location (not his home, a building he owned). When say you have been restricted in your gun ownership rights (for example arrested and charged for firearms crimes before?).
I am of course assuming that you are talking about Tony Martin...
But oin the main topic, yes its nice to see one relise that a gun is mearly a tool. ========= "I am not saying there should be capital punishment for stupidity, but why can`t we just take the safety labels off everything and let the problem fix its self |
Micheal Dietrich
Caldari Terradyne Networks
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Posted - 2008.10.10 02:17:00 -
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Originally by: nahtoh
Originally by: Micheal Dietrich
Originally by: Kirra Liu
Originally by: Terail Zoqial I'm from the UK, grew up on many farms and I just see guns the same as I see a shovel. It's just a tool.
A tool to put a quick end to chav's?
Nah, apparently that gets you arrested (but not prosecuted) even if your house has been robbed twice before.
The nutter in question is not really a good example of resposable gun ownership...As I am not up on US law does the castle doctine come into play when you basicly set a improvised ambush (with mechanical noise makers and ammo stashes) in a storage location (not his home, a building he owned). When say you have been restricted in your gun ownership rights (for example arrested and charged for firearms crimes before?).
I am of course assuming that you are talking about Tony Martin...
But oin the main topic, yes its nice to see one relise that a gun is mearly a tool.
I'm referring to a article from the BBC in 2004 about a english farmer who had been robbed multiple times so he acquired a shotgun and caught the would be thieves off guard. Way the article read, he clipped one pretty good in the leg and was later arrested for the act but according to the article he was not prosecuted.
The reason I was looking it up is because I had heard of a story similar in that a farmer had been robbed 8 times in one week (yes twice in one day according to the story). He bought a shotgun, got all the licenses he needed and shot a robber the next time they came around and it was he who was hauled off to jail.
Now being a healthy skeptic I've been trying to look the story up on the internet but have had no luck other than the article above mentioned so I'm believing that what was told to me was just a overseas urban legend, kinda like when a fellow from England once asked me in skype if every American was issued, not bought freely, but issued an arsenal for their house.
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Herschel Yamamoto
Bloodmoney Incorporated
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Posted - 2008.10.10 02:18:00 -
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Originally by: Eomar moral of the story... leave no witnesess, leave no evidence.
I doubt anyone would have missed the thieving little scrotes.
Who misses them now?
Originally by: Raymond Sterns I wonder how much crime rate would diminish if more people knew how to use a gun and not panic or faint when they see one.
The US has about twice the murder rate of the UK and about 1/15th as many armed robberies. Those numbers seem eminently believable, as well.
Originally by: nahtoh The nutter in question is not really a good example of resposable gun ownership...As I am not up on US law does the castle doctine come into play when you basicly set a improvised ambush (with mechanical noise makers and ammo stashes) in a storage location (not his home, a building he owned). When say you have been restricted in your gun ownership rights (for example arrested and charged for firearms crimes before?).
I am of course assuming that you are talking about Tony Martin...
But oin the main topic, yes its nice to see one relise that a gun is mearly a tool.
I'm no lawyer, but my understanding is that "castle doctrine" is a very loose term that varies a lot from state to state. In some places, you basically have to give them a notarized warning of your willingness to use deadly force before you're allowed to, in others you probably could lay an ambush, improvised or not, for robbers legally as long as it was on your property. ------------------ Herschel's Lottery #1 - Win a Kronos! |
nahtoh
Caldari StrikerCorp Dark Trinity Alliance
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Posted - 2008.10.10 02:23:00 -
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Originally by: Micheal Dietrich
Originally by: nahtoh
Originally by: Micheal Dietrich
Originally by: Kirra Liu
The nutter in question is not really a good example of resposable gun ownership...As I am not up on US law does the castle doctine come into play when you basicly set a improvised ambush (with mechanical noise makers and ammo stashes) in a storage location (not his home, a building he owned). When say you have been restricted in your gun ownership rights (for example arrested and charged for firearms crimes before?).
I am of course assuming that you are talking about Tony Martin...
But oin the main topic, yes its nice to see one relise that a gun is mearly a tool.
I'm referring to a article from the BBC in 2004 about a english farmer who had been robbed multiple times so he acquired a shotgun and caught the would be thieves off guard. Way the article read, he clipped one pretty good in the leg and was later arrested for the act but according to the article he was not prosecuted.
The reason I was looking it up is because I had heard of a story similar in that a farmer had been robbed 8 times in one week (yes twice in one day according to the story). He bought a shotgun, got all the licenses he needed and shot a robber the next time they came around and it was he who was hauled off to jail.
Now being a healthy skeptic I've been trying to look the story up on the internet but have had no luck other than the article above mentioned so I'm believing that what was told to me was just a overseas urban legend, kinda like when a fellow from England once asked me in skype if every American was issued, not bought freely, but issued an arsenal for their house.
Nope not Tony Martin, can't say I remember that one...But it strikes me as perhaps as you say a urban legend. ========= "I am not saying there should be capital punishment for stupidity, but why can`t we just take the safety labels off everything and let the problem fix its self |
Herschel Yamamoto
Bloodmoney Incorporated
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Posted - 2008.10.10 02:40:00 -
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Originally by: nahtoh
Originally by: Micheal Dietrich I'm referring to a article from the BBC in 2004 about a english farmer who had been robbed multiple times so he acquired a shotgun and caught the would be thieves off guard. Way the article read, he clipped one pretty good in the leg and was later arrested for the act but according to the article he was not prosecuted.
The reason I was looking it up is because I had heard of a story similar in that a farmer had been robbed 8 times in one week (yes twice in one day according to the story). He bought a shotgun, got all the licenses he needed and shot a robber the next time they came around and it was he who was hauled off to jail.
Now being a healthy skeptic I've been trying to look the story up on the internet but have had no luck other than the article above mentioned so I'm believing that what was told to me was just a overseas urban legend, kinda like when a fellow from England once asked me in skype if every American was issued, not bought freely, but issued an arsenal for their house.
Nope not Tony Martin, can't say I remember that one...But it strikes me as perhaps as you say a urban legend.
Yeah, it was Tony Martin that most people here are referring to - he was burgled repeatedly, caught another pair doing the same thing, and shot one in the leg and the other in the back with an illegal shotgun while they were leaving his house, the latter fatally. He was tried and convicted of murder, although it was reduced to manslaughter for reasons of "diminished responsibility due to paranoid personality disorder".
As for the "every American issued a gun" thing, I think there's one small town somewhere that does that, but if so it's the sort of town where it's not really necessary. One of those things that gets blown out of proportion in the retelling. Either that or he's just dumb. |
TheBro
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Posted - 2008.10.10 02:43:00 -
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Originally by: Herschel Yamamoto
Originally by: Eomar moral of the story... leave no witnesess, leave no evidence.
I doubt anyone would have missed the thieving little scrotes.
Who misses them now?
Originally by: Raymond Sterns I wonder how much crime rate would diminish if more people knew how to use a gun and not panic or faint when they see one.
The US has about twice the murder rate of the UK and about 1/15th as many armed robberies. Those numbers seem eminently believable, as well.
Originally by: nahtoh The nutter in question is not really a good example of resposable gun ownership...As I am not up on US law does the castle doctine come into play when you basicly set a improvised ambush (with mechanical noise makers and ammo stashes) in a storage location (not his home, a building he owned). When say you have been restricted in your gun ownership rights (for example arrested and charged for firearms crimes before?).
I am of course assuming that you are talking about Tony Martin...
But oin the main topic, yes its nice to see one relise that a gun is mearly a tool.
I'm no lawyer, but my understanding is that "castle doctrine" is a very loose term that varies a lot from state to state. In some places, you basically have to give them a notarized warning of your willingness to use deadly force before you're allowed to, in others you probably could lay an ambush, improvised or not, for robbers legally as long as it was on your property.
Yes, it varies from state to state (if the state you're in even has it), but luckily, it's a pretty relaxed situation, and people can generally shoot to kill without any consequences, which is fantastic.
A family friend was lucky enough to have the opportunity to act on this, and although unfortunately he didn't kill the intruder, the bullet (9mm frangible) shattered the dudes spinal cord, and now the dumb bastard gets to sit in a wheel chair for the rest of his life.
Personally, after the extreme sense of enjoyment I would get out of shooting an intruder, I would finish it off by ****ing in their mouth as they lay bleeding on the ground, but that *may* be crossing the line. |
nahtoh
Caldari StrikerCorp Dark Trinity Alliance
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Posted - 2008.10.10 02:57:00 -
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Originally by: Herschel Yamamoto
Originally by: nahtoh
Originally by: Micheal Dietrich I'm referring to a article from the BBC in 2004 about a english farmer who had been robbed multiple times so he acquired a shotgun and caught the would be thieves off guard. Way the article read, he clipped one pretty good in the leg and was later arrested for the act but according to the article he was not prosecuted.
The reason I was looking it up is because I had heard of a story similar in that a farmer had been robbed 8 times in one week (yes twice in one day according to the story). He bought a shotgun, got all the licenses he needed and shot a robber the next time they came around and it was he who was hauled off to jail.
Now being a healthy skeptic I've been trying to look the story up on the internet but have had no luck other than the article above mentioned so I'm believing that what was told to me was just a overseas urban legend, kinda like when a fellow from England once asked me in skype if every American was issued, not bought freely, but issued an arsenal for their house.
Nope not Tony Martin, can't say I remember that one...But it strikes me as perhaps as you say a urban legend.
Yeah, it was Tony Martin that most people here are referring to - he was burgled repeatedly, caught another pair doing the same thing, and shot one in the leg and the other in the back with an illegal shotgun while they were leaving his house, the latter fatally. He was tried and convicted of murder, although it was reduced to manslaughter for reasons of "diminished responsibility due to paranoid personality disorder".
As for the "every American issued a gun" thing, I think there's one small town somewhere that does that, but if so it's the sort of town where it's not really necessary. One of those things that gets blown out of proportion in the retelling. Either that or he's just dumb.
Well If it was Tony Martin I stand by my first statement...not a example of responsble gunowership, with few firearms charges prevouusly. And as I recall they firearm he used was not held legally.
He tried to hide the gun, waited for a couple of hours then reported the incident. The building where he shot the two guys was not his residence but a old house he stored stuff in...from what I recall the only non barred window was the one they entered from in a strigt line down a set of stairs. Which he fired from the top of.
My *personal* view of this incedent was not motivated by self defense but revenge over the other breakins. Not that I have any simpathy for the thives mind you. ========= "I am not saying there should be capital punishment for stupidity, but why can`t we just take the safety labels off everything and let the problem fix its self |
Herschel Yamamoto
Bloodmoney Incorporated
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Posted - 2008.10.10 03:00:00 -
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Originally by: TheBro Yes, it varies from state to state (if the state you're in even has it), but luckily, it's a pretty relaxed situation, and people can generally shoot to kill without any consequences, which is fantastic.
A family friend was lucky enough to have the opportunity to act on this, and although unfortunately he didn't kill the intruder, the bullet (9mm frangible) shattered the dudes spinal cord, and now the dumb bastard gets to sit in a wheel chair for the rest of his life.
Personally, after the extreme sense of enjoyment I would get out of shooting an intruder, I would finish it off by ****ing in their mouth as they lay bleeding on the ground, but that *may* be crossing the line.
I've got nothing against shooting robbers, but taking amusement from it is going a bit far. The goal is to protect yourself, your family, and your property(and possibly to protect the community as a whole via instilling fear in would-be burglars), not to show some thuggish moron who's boss. ------------------ Herschel's Lottery #1 - Win a Kronos! |
Daelorn
Perkone
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Posted - 2008.10.10 03:03:00 -
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Originally by: TheBro
Yes, it varies from state to state (if the state you're in even has it), but luckily, it's a pretty relaxed situation, and people can generally shoot to kill without any consequences, which is fantastic.
A family friend was lucky enough to have the opportunity to act on this, and although unfortunately he didn't kill the intruder, the bullet (9mm frangible) shattered the dudes spinal cord, and now the dumb bastard gets to sit in a wheel chair for the rest of his life.
Personally, after the extreme sense of enjoyment I would get out of shooting an intruder, I would finish it off by ****ing in their mouth as they lay bleeding on the ground, but that *may* be crossing the line.
You need some help amigo.
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Raymond Sterns
Utopian Research I.E.L. The ENTITY.
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Posted - 2008.10.10 04:03:00 -
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Originally by: Daelorn
Originally by: TheBro
Yes, it varies from state to state (if the state you're in even has it), but luckily, it's a pretty relaxed situation, and people can generally shoot to kill without any consequences, which is fantastic.
A family friend was lucky enough to have the opportunity to act on this, and although unfortunately he didn't kill the intruder, the bullet (9mm frangible) shattered the dudes spinal cord, and now the dumb bastard gets to sit in a wheel chair for the rest of his life.
Personally, after the extreme sense of enjoyment I would get out of shooting an intruder, I would finish it off by ****ing in their mouth as they lay bleeding on the ground, but that *may* be crossing the line.
You need some help amigo.
God forbid the man that tried to rob him needs help. I think he's got the right idea. |
Sharra Savente
Domini Umbrus Free Trade Zone.
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Posted - 2008.10.10 04:14:00 -
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Originally by: Daelorn
Originally by: TheBro
Yes, it varies from state to state (if the state you're in even has it), but luckily, it's a pretty relaxed situation, and people can generally shoot to kill without any consequences, which is fantastic.
A family friend was lucky enough to have the opportunity to act on this, and although unfortunately he didn't kill the intruder, the bullet (9mm frangible) shattered the dudes spinal cord, and now the dumb bastard gets to sit in a wheel chair for the rest of his life.
Personally, after the extreme sense of enjoyment I would get out of shooting an intruder, I would finish it off by ****ing in their mouth as they lay bleeding on the ground, but that *may* be crossing the line.
You need some help amigo.
I'll help....
by setting the guy on fire so you have a proper excuse to **** on him.... |
JordanParey
Minmatar Suddenly Ninjas
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Posted - 2008.10.10 04:49:00 -
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for the record, I am not sure why they started her on the AR-15- it is a veritable piece of crap. I am of the opinion that unless it has a "heavy" or chromed barrel, the AR15/M16/M4 rifle design is utter crap. I shot one one time...and it jammed every other 3rd shot >.< semi-automatic my ass.
On the other hand, glad to know that one more person in the world realizes that people kill people, instead of guns killing people.
This is a drunk-post xD
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