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Take Enemy
Amarr BAD WOLF INC.
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Posted - 2008.10.10 17:00:00 -
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Edited by: Take Enemy on 10/10/2008 17:00:56 I am struggling here. Was pretty psyched to get into my Phobos and Devoter for low sec small roaming gangs (and yes, some gate camping). However, I am not seeing the light. I was going to do a long post comparing Devoter/Phobos to their HAC counterparts in relation to usefulness to a small/mid lowsec gang (either camping or roaming) but well frankly I didn't get much sleep last night.
Basically does anyone else who flies them in lowsec have the same issues/thoughts? The ONLY things they do is provide:
1) slightly farther point on gate decloak 2) Yes, it is an infini point... 3) With some setups can nicely tank a hot drop cyno at target location
Excepting number 3's unique circumstances, I would rather sacrifice (1) and (2) for a far more usful HAC to assist the gang...
--Enemy
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Liang Nuren
No Salvation
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Posted - 2008.10.10 17:06:00 -
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The infinipoint is the entire point of a HIC. Nothing's getting away.. not a transport ship, a 5x WCS Raven, or anything else.
Get your gang to remote sensor boost you and then just sit there and tackle/shoot. Think of it like a really tough interceptor.
-Liang --
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DubanFP
Caldari Kylia Inc.
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Posted - 2008.10.10 17:07:00 -
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Edited by: DubanFP on 10/10/2008 17:11:21 you know that old meme "Yur doin it rong"? yeah...
HICs do 3 things well
1. Tank. These things, especially the Broadsword/Onyx, can tank a small army.
2. Drop Mobile bubbles in 0.0. Too much tank not enough gank to be primaried.
3. Capture stabbed up ships in lowsec with infinate points of scram.
Expecting it to be a good for anything but catching ships while tanking is pretty much futile. They aren't supposed to do much damage and they aren't supposed to be effective against ships that fight back. HICs are excellent ships but you're just not using them right.
Quote: 2) Yes, it is an infini point...
Shrugging that off is like watching **** for the acting. _______________
"Cheap" and "Lame" are words created by people who refuse to admit they have been completely and utterly outclassed. |
Take Enemy
Amarr BAD WOLF INC.
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Posted - 2008.10.10 17:32:00 -
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Originally by: Liang Nuren The infinipoint is the entire point of a HIC. Nothing's getting away.. not a transport ship, a 5x WCS Raven, or anything else.
Get your gang to remote sensor boost you and then just sit there and tackle/shoot. Think of it like a really tough interceptor.
-Liang
Alright, I shouldn't shrug off the infinipoint so much . Remote sensor booster is key, yeah, we got that going on. I dunno, I have a duel rep one, and an 800 plate one and flew the 800 plate one around in a roam last night and well the speed/align time was worrying to me (maybe just too used to my Sac/Zealot). Also - snagged a Rapier at a gate (boy was he surprised), but couldn't keep up with him long enough for support to web him down... Feel I could have had him with the Sac.
Will give the duel rep setup a run tonight. A little faster and more agile.
--Enemy
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Lady Aja
Caldari Creative Destruction Pupule 'Ohana
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Posted - 2008.10.10 17:42:00 -
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I know a corp that uses only HIC's in low sec to hunt... and thats a nasty sight when you see 10 hics in low sec lol.
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DubanFP
Caldari Kylia Inc.
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Posted - 2008.10.10 17:49:00 -
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Edited by: DubanFP on 10/10/2008 17:52:49
Originally by: Lady Aja I know a corp that uses only HIC's in low sec to hunt... and thats a nasty sight when you see 10 hics in low sec lol.
WTF? Sounds like suck to me. You already have infinate poitns of scram with HIC #1. Anything else is a waste of DPS when you can grab something much better.
Same thing as why you'll never see an effective drake gang going around. Sure the tanks are great but you have no damage. Alone a good tank might be nice, in a group it will be overwelmed completely and useless without damage dealing support. At least 1 HIC offers the benifit of the infinipoint but what's infinity * 10? Still infinity. _______________
"Cheap" and "Lame" are words created by people who refuse to admit they have been completely and utterly outclassed. |
Haradgrim
Tyrell Corp INTERDICTION
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Posted - 2008.10.10 17:52:00 -
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You need to remote sensor boost up to a point where you have 'ceptor-like lock times, that + infinipoint = dead stuffz in empire --
Originally by: CCP Oveur ...every forum whine feels like a baby pony is getting killed
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Spanner Frew
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Posted - 2008.10.10 18:12:00 -
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Originally by: DubanFP
Shrugging that off is like watching **** for the acting.
People watch **** for something other than the acting? |
Haradgrim
Tyrell Corp INTERDICTION
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Posted - 2008.10.10 18:14:00 -
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Originally by: Spanner Frew
Originally by: DubanFP
Shrugging that off is like watching **** for the acting.
People watch **** for something other than the acting?
The money shot of course! |
bldyannoyed
Killed In Action
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Posted - 2008.10.10 18:25:00 -
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Get a Broadsword or an Onyx.
Theyre just better. |
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Liang Nuren
No Salvation
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Posted - 2008.10.10 18:28:00 -
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Originally by: bldyannoyed Get a Broadsword or an Onyx.
Theyre just better.
I totally read that as "Omen" until I clicked reply. I was like.... ERRM!?
At any rate, yeah, I think I'll like the broadsword.... I've got the Skillz for one, but not the cash for it. :-/
-Liang |
Trind2222
Amarr The Red Ring
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Posted - 2008.10.10 19:06:00 -
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Originally by: bldyannoyed Get a Broadsword or an Onyx.
Theyre just better.
Devoter can tackle 2 at time in low sec, is true the onyx and broadsword can tank more but whit the right setup on a devoter you can perma rep. I love the devoter.
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Terianna Eri
Amarr Scrutari
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Posted - 2008.10.10 19:09:00 -
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Originally by: DubanFP Edited by: DubanFP on 10/10/2008 17:52:49
Originally by: Lady Aja I know a corp that uses only HIC's in low sec to hunt... and thats a nasty sight when you see 10 hics in low sec lol.
WTF? Sounds like suck to me. You already have infinate poitns of scram with HIC #1. Anything else is a waste of DPS when you can grab something much better.
Same thing as why you'll never see an effective drake gang going around. Sure the tanks are great but you have no damage. Alone a good tank might be nice, in a group it will be overwelmed completely and useless without damage dealing support. At least 1 HIC offers the benifit of the infinipoint but what's infinity * 10? Still infinity.
Yes because a gang of 10x ships with 100k ehp and 500+ dps each would be bad |
DubanFP
Caldari Kylia Inc.
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Posted - 2008.10.10 19:12:00 -
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Edited by: DubanFP on 10/10/2008 19:13:11
Originally by: Terianna Eri Yes because a gang of 10x ships with 100k ehp and 500+ dps each would be bad
Ok maybe I was a bit over the top pn that thread. Still would think a couple battleships and Command ships mixed in would get much better results from a pure DPS and tank side. Also 500 DPS seems a bit high for the ships that can get 100k EHP. Probebly more like one or the other. |
Terianna Eri
Amarr Scrutari
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Posted - 2008.10.10 19:21:00 -
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Edited by: Terianna Eri on 10/10/2008 19:21:59
Originally by: DubanFP Edited by: DubanFP on 10/10/2008 19:13:11
Originally by: Terianna Eri Yes because a gang of 10x ships with 100k ehp and 500+ dps each would be bad
Ok maybe I was a bit over the top pn that thread. Still would think a couple battleships and Command ships mixed in would get much better results from a pure DPS and tank side. Also 500 DPS seems a bit high for the ships that can get 100k EHP. Probebly more like one or the other.
Quote: [Drake, New Setup 2] Reactor Control Unit II Damage Control II Ballistic Control System II Ballistic Control System II
10MN MicroWarpdrive II Faint Warp Prohibitor I Large Shield Extender II Invulnerability Field II Invulnerability Field II Large Shield Extender II
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Terror Assault Missile Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Terror Assault Missile Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Terror Assault Missile Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Terror Assault Missile Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Terror Assault Missile Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Terror Assault Missile Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Terror Assault Missile [empty high slot]
Core Defence Field Extender I Core Defence Field Extender I Core Defence Field Extender I
Hobgoblin II x5
103k ehp, 560 dps with max skills, more with implants. they don't all need both a point and a web
But yes, a balanced gang would be better of course, but a group of 10x 100k ehp HAM drakes would be pretty nasty. For lols, throw in a small shield transporter (very hard to fit) and shield rep drones (easy to fit) >_> - each small shield rep drone lets it tank 12dps (or 15 with overloaded Invuln, which you'll have if you're getting primaried), so... well, there's a 750 dps tank on top of the 100k ehp, which is looking pretty good Edit: 675 dps; the one getting shot doesn't get to put drones on itself __________________________________
Originally by: Arthur Frayn How much to ruin all your holes, luv?
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Bronson Hughes
ADVANCED Combat and Engineering
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Posted - 2008.10.10 19:25:00 -
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Originally by: Take Enemy
Phobos and Devoter ... small roaming gangs
Originally by: Take Enemy
Also - snagged a Rapier at a gate (boy was he surprised), but couldn't keep up with him long enough for support to web him down... Feel I could have had him with the Sac.
That's part of your problem right there. A typical HIC tank involves plates and trimarks, both of which make you rather heavy in the caboose. They're great for stationary fights and can soak up tons of damage, but the Onyx and Broadsword tend to be more nimble and therefore better suited for roaming. Dual repper fits can work, but when combined with the cap usage of the WDFG and your guns, you'll be begging for more cap.
Also make sure that your gang includes a few fast webbers to keep targets from re-approaching the gate. A small gang of 1 HIC, 1 Rapier, and 2-3 DPS ships will make anyone trying to run a gate cry.
Although HICs are certainly useful in LoSec for their ability to scram anything they can lock, they really shine in 0.0. Having a bubble that you can turn on and off on command and having it attached to a ship with such a heavy tank makes them worth their weight in gold.
tl;dr version: HICs are very useful but will never replace, or be replaced by, HACs. -------------------- "I am hard pressed on my right; my centre is giving way; situation excellent; I am attacking." - Ferdinand Foch at the Battle of the Marne |
Take Enemy
Amarr BAD WOLF INC.
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Posted - 2008.10.10 19:35:00 -
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Originally by: Bronson Hughes
Originally by: Take Enemy
Phobos and Devoter ... small roaming gangs
Originally by: Take Enemy
Also - snagged a Rapier at a gate (boy was he surprised), but couldn't keep up with him long enough for support to web him down... Feel I could have had him with the Sac.
That's part of your problem right there. A typical HIC tank involves plates and trimarks, both of which make you rather heavy in the caboose. They're great for stationary fights and can soak up tons of damage, but the Onyx and Broadsword tend to be more nimble and therefore better suited for roaming. Dual repper fits can work, but when combined with the cap usage of the WDFG and your guns, you'll be begging for more cap.
Also make sure that your gang includes a few fast webbers to keep targets from re-approaching the gate. A small gang of 1 HIC, 1 Rapier, and 2-3 DPS ships will make anyone trying to run a gate cry.
Although HICs are certainly useful in LoSec for their ability to scram anything they can lock, they really shine in 0.0. Having a bubble that you can turn on and off on command and having it attached to a ship with such a heavy tank makes them worth their weight in gold.
tl;dr version: HICs are very useful but will never replace, or be replaced by, HACs.
Yeah, that engagement was a shall we say fluid mobile one. Was second on scene and had the point, 'ceptors where inbound. Good Rapier pilot too, but I bet he needed a knew pair of shorts after that one. :)
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DubanFP
Caldari Kylia Inc.
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Posted - 2008.10.10 19:38:00 -
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Edited by: DubanFP on 10/10/2008 19:44:51
Originally by: Terianna Eri 103k ehp, 560 dps with max skills, more with implants. they don't all need both a point and a web
I'm only seeing 460 DPS. I think you added 100 DPS somewhere. Anyways Compare that to 10x Hurricanes doing 800 DPS each with 40k EHP. That's over 8000 combined DPS. At the same time they will be cheaper because they won't have to spend 45 million isk, each, on shield rigs to do that.
Or if you want to send it against something comparable in cost look at something like a Raven. It can deal 1100 DPS with a 70k EHP at similer cost because it won't need to fit some overly expensive shield rigs to do it. "if you want to go with remote reppers left over the Raven can fit a lot more then the drake".
Ten of anything can sound very formidable, especially if you use level V skills. However you can easily find some much better alternatives at equal or lesser cost. Then just add in 1-2 HICs so you have the infinipoint down.
P.S. your fit has a large EM hole. |
Take Enemy
Amarr BAD WOLF INC.
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Posted - 2008.10.10 20:01:00 -
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Originally by: DubanFP Edited by: DubanFP on 10/10/2008 19:44:51
Originally by: Terianna Eri 103k ehp, 560 dps with max skills, more with implants. they don't all need both a point and a web
I'm only seeing 460 DPS. I think you added 100 DPS somewhere. Anyways Compare that to 10x Hurricanes doing 800 DPS each with 40k EHP. That's over 8000 combined DPS. At the same time they will be cheaper because they won't have to spend 45 million isk, each, on shield rigs to do that.
Or if you want to send it against something comparable in cost look at something like a Raven. It can deal 1100 DPS with a 70k EHP at similer cost because it won't need to fit some overly expensive shield rigs to do it. "if you want to go with remote reppers left over the Raven can fit a lot more then the drake".
Ten of anything can sound very formidable, especially if you use level V skills. However you can easily find some much better alternatives at equal or lesser cost. Then just add in 1-2 HICs so you have the infinipoint down.
P.S. your fit has a large EM hole.
Nice sidetrack. Next we should compare SB's to Ravens.
I kid...
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Skallebank
Minmatar Mentis Fidelis Majesta Empire
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Posted - 2008.10.10 21:30:00 -
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Originally by: DubanFP Edited by: DubanFP on 10/10/2008 17:27:23 you know that old meme "Yur doin it rong"? yeah...
HICs do 3 things well
1. Tank. These things, especially the Broadsword/Onyx, can tank a small army.
2. Drop Mobile bubbles in 0.0. Too much tank not enough gank to be primaried but still great support while whoring all killmails within 20km.
3. Capture stabbed up ships in lowsec with infinate points of scram.
Expecting it to be a good for anything but catching ships while tanking is pretty much futile. They aren't supposed to do much damage and they aren't supposed to be effective against ships that fight back. HICs are excellent ships for catching stuff but you're just not using them right.
Quote: Yes, it is an infini point...
Shrugging that off is like watching **** for the acting.
excactly, I had one hundred kills plus in one week solo in a broadsword . before my corp made me stop killing poor defencless isk farmers (bastards)
FREEDOM OF SPEECH WHATS THAT ? |
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Felix Dzerzhinsky
Caldari Wreckless Abandon G00DFELLAS
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Posted - 2008.10.10 21:53:00 -
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devoter - mids with sensor boosters, lows with a tank - the best low sec HIC.
Broadsword is the best 0.0 hic.
take your pick. ----
ECCM is a Counter-measure not a defense. |
Trind2222
Amarr The Red Ring
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Posted - 2008.10.10 21:59:00 -
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Originally by: Take Enemy Edited by: Take Enemy on 10/10/2008 19:59:02
Originally by: Bronson Hughes
Originally by: Take Enemy
Phobos and Devoter ... small roaming gangs
Originally by: Take Enemy
Also - snagged a Rapier at a gate (boy was he surprised), but couldn't keep up with him long enough for support to web him down... Feel I could have had him with the Sac.
That's part of your problem right there. A typical HIC tank involves plates and trimarks, both of which make you rather heavy in the caboose. They're great for stationary fights and can soak up tons of damage, but the Onyx and Broadsword tend to be more nimble and therefore better suited for roaming. Dual repper fits can work, but when combined with the cap usage of the WDFG and your guns, you'll be begging for more cap.
Also make sure that your gang includes a few fast webbers to keep targets from re-approaching the gate. A small gang of 1 HIC, 1 Rapier, and 2-3 DPS ships will make anyone trying to run a gate cry.
Although HICs are certainly useful in LoSec for their ability to scram anything they can lock, they really shine in 0.0. Having a bubble that you can turn on and off on command and having it attached to a ship with such a heavy tank makes them worth their weight in gold.
tl;dr version: HICs are very useful but will never replace, or be replaced by, HACs.
Yeah, that engagement was a shall we say fluid mobile one. Was second on scene and had the point, 'ceptors where inbound. Good Rapier pilot too, but I bet he needed a knew pair of shorts after that one. :)
Oh and to add, for 0.0, I can get the 129K+ ehp ship, but for lowsec I am now going with the duel rep:
[Devoter, Devoter - 0.0] 1600mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I 1600mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II Damage Control II Medium Armor Repairer II
Stasis Webifier II Medium Capacitor Booster II, Cap Booster 800 10MN MicroWarpdrive II
Medium Pulse Laser II, Scorch S Medium Pulse Laser II, Scorch S Medium Pulse Laser II, Scorch S Medium Pulse Laser II, Scorch S Salvager I (I am a salvaging *****) Improved Cloaking Device II
Trimark Armor Pump I Trimark Armor Pump I
[Devoter, Devoter - Low Sec] Energized Thermic Membrane II Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II Damage Control II Medium Armor Repairer II Medium Armor Repairer II
X5 Prototype I Engine Enervator Medium Capacitor Booster II, Cap Booster 800 10MN MicroWarpdrive II
Focused Medium Pulse Laser II, Scorch M Focused Medium Pulse Laser II, Scorch M Focused Medium Pulse Laser II, Scorch M Focused Medium Pulse Laser II, Scorch M Small 'Solace' I Remote Bulwark Reconstruction Warp Disruption Field Generator I, Focused Warp Disruption
Nanobot Accelerator I Nanobot Accelerator I
Strictly T2, no faction as that is how I roll (ie, I am always broke and rigs are expensive enough thank you).
0.0 one tanks 129K ehp, lowsec one reps 737 a round (786 with rep 5 in training).
If I had cash, I would probably whip up Skunk's version, but in the interim a little dps is ok...
--Enemy
No wonder you get caped out
Mwd is good if you plan to speed tank no point to have mwd if you don't.
Remember staking penalty.
You can use cpr no need for web put 2 sencor booster to lock fast in low sec.
I like the 0.0 one but lacks dps but good thank.
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Lady Aja
Caldari Creative Destruction Pupule 'Ohana
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Posted - 2008.10.10 22:42:00 -
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Originally by: Felix Dzerzhinsky devoter - mids with sensor boosters, lows with a tank - the best low sec HIC.
Broadsword is the best 0.0 hic.
take your pick.
actually the best is what you feel works best for the pilot and his or her needs...
witha devoter I can happily ruin most pilots day, in conjunction with two medium bubbles in a bottle neck system. you wil be surprised how bad its ruined lol.
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Foulque
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Posted - 2008.10.10 23:15:00 -
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Always great to have a HIC in a low sec gang, sensor boosted they are the perfect tackler. Not meant to be a DPS machine =]
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Take Enemy
Amarr BAD WOLF INC.
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Posted - 2008.10.11 00:18:00 -
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Originally by: Take Enemy
[Devoter, Devoter - 0.0] 1600mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I 1600mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II Damage Control II Medium Armor Repairer II
Stasis Webifier II Medium Capacitor Booster II, Cap Booster 800 10MN MicroWarpdrive II
Medium Pulse Laser II, Scorch S Medium Pulse Laser II, Scorch S Medium Pulse Laser II, Scorch S Medium Pulse Laser II, Scorch S Salvager I (I am a salvaging *****) Improved Cloaking Device II
Trimark Armor Pump I Trimark Armor Pump I
[Devoter, Devoter - Low Sec] Energized Thermic Membrane II Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II Damage Control II Medium Armor Repairer II Medium Armor Repairer II
X5 Prototype I Engine Enervator Medium Capacitor Booster II, Cap Booster 800 10MN MicroWarpdrive II
Focused Medium Pulse Laser II, Scorch M Focused Medium Pulse Laser II, Scorch M Focused Medium Pulse Laser II, Scorch M Focused Medium Pulse Laser II, Scorch M Small 'Solace' I Remote Bulwark Reconstruction Warp Disruption Field Generator I, Focused Warp Disruption
Nanobot Accelerator I Nanobot Accelerator I
Strictly T2, no faction as that is how I roll (ie, I am always broke and rigs are expensive enough thank you).
0.0 one tanks 129K ehp, lowsec one reps 737 a round (786 with rep 5 in training).
If I had cash, I would probably whip up Skunk's version, but in the interim a little dps is ok...
--Enemy
No wonder you get caped out
Mwd is good if you plan to speed tank no point to have mwd if you don't.
Remember staking penalty.
You can use cpr no need for web put 2 sencor booster to lock fast in low sec.
I like the 0.0 one but lacks dps but good thank.
Always need an MWD (accept maybe static gate camping - that I would have a sensor booster or two), but I don't perma run mwd. The 800's keep the cap rolling in any event and I can perma run WDG and armor rep with out injecting.
Typically there is remote sensor boosting, so I prefer a web. Find a lot of target don't agress or deagress and burn back to the gate. Web is essential.
Obviously, ymmv. :)
--Enemy
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Cpt Branko
Surge.
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Posted - 2008.10.11 00:25:00 -
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Originally by: Liang Nuren [ At any rate, yeah, I think I'll like the broadsword.... I've got the Skillz for one, but not the cash for it. :-/
-Liang
Heheh... I have a fully fit & rigged one in hangar, just don't have the skills for it Sig removed, inappropriate link. If you would like further details please mail [email protected] ~Saint |
Liang Nuren
No Salvation
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Posted - 2008.10.11 00:27:00 -
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Originally by: Cpt Branko Heheh... I have a fully fit & rigged one in hangar, just don't have the skills for it
I should join your corp and "borrow" it.
-Liang --
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Cpt Branko
Surge.
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Posted - 2008.10.11 00:35:00 -
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Originally by: Liang Nuren
Originally by: Cpt Branko Heheh... I have a fully fit & rigged one in hangar, just don't have the skills for it
I should join your corp and "borrow" it.
-Liang
Personal hangar
But we can always put up with another EFT warrior Sig removed, inappropriate link. If you would like further details please mail [email protected] ~Saint |
Stuart Price
Caldari The Black Rabbits The Gurlstas Associates
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Posted - 2008.10.11 01:11:00 -
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My boss's Phobos has the fastest lock I've ever seen outside the faster locking 'ceptors. I reckon he has a dev command for it or something. Sure comes in handy. "I got soul but I'm not a soldier" |
Kazang
Gallente Arbitrary Freedom
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Posted - 2008.10.11 10:38:00 -
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Edited by: Kazang on 11/10/2008 10:40:19
Originally by: Terianna Eri
Quote: [Drake, New Setup 2] Reactor Control Unit II Damage Control II Ballistic Control System II Ballistic Control System II
10MN MicroWarpdrive II Faint Warp Prohibitor I Large Shield Extender II Invulnerability Field II Invulnerability Field II Large Shield Extender II
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Terror Assault Missile Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Terror Assault Missile Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Terror Assault Missile Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Terror Assault Missile Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Terror Assault Missile Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Terror Assault Missile Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Terror Assault Missile [empty high slot]
Core Defence Field Extender I Core Defence Field Extender I Core Defence Field Extender I
Hobgoblin II x5
103k ehp, 560 dps with max skills, more with implants. they don't all need both a point and a web
But yes, a balanced gang would be better of course, but a group of 10x 100k ehp HAM drakes would be pretty nasty. For lols, throw in a small shield transporter (very hard to fit) and shield rep drones (easy to fit) >_> - each small shield rep drone lets it tank 12dps (or 15 with overloaded Invuln, which you'll have if you're getting primaried), so... well, there's a 750 dps tank on top of the 100k ehp, which is looking pretty good Edit: 675 dps; the one getting shot doesn't get to put drones on itself
Why the hell are you posting drake fits? 10 of anything would be pretty nasty, 10 of a balanced mix of ecm, dps, tackle and tank would be even nastier.
Kazang
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