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Gordon Marinius Caldari School of Applied Knowledge	Posted - 2008.10.12 11:08:00 - [1] So I ran into an odd guritas rat. It has me scrambled so I can't warp away and at the saame time it's attacks are very weak but I don't carry any weapons so I can't destroy it anyway. Does his scramble ever wear out or do I have to sit here like a lemon for 30 minutes til he blows me up?
slothe Caldari Murky Inc.	Posted - 2008.10.12 11:19:00 - [2] like a lemon, or alternatively self destruct
Gordon Marinius Caldari School of Applied Knowledge	Posted - 2008.10.12 11:23:00 - [3] Edited by: Gordon Marinius on 12/10/2008 11:23:33 Mayby I can pod and go learn some combat skills then come back next week and destroy the pirate and claim my hulk again.
slothe Caldari Murky Inc.	Posted - 2008.10.12 11:41:00 - [4] actually log off, then log back on, then warp off. didnt realise it was a hulk
Gordon Marinius Caldari School of Applied Knowledge	Posted - 2008.10.12 11:42:00 - [5] Mayby he will be gone when the servers go back up.
Mr Stark	Posted - 2008.10.12 11:51:00 - [6] just use a couple of combat drones, hardly any sp use to get 4 drones out, theyll take care of pretty much any empire rat.
Gordon Marinius Caldari School of Applied Knowledge	Posted - 2008.10.12 11:52:00 - [7] I'm on a minimalist scouting adventure and so I left my drones at home after losing some 7 of them to pirates earlier.
Andrue Amarr	Posted - 2008.10.12 13:28:00 - [8] Edited by: Andrue on 12/10/2008 13:28:20 Another option is to start moving away. I believe that rats have a limited range of movement. It might take a while in a slow ship but eventually they will have to stop following you. -- (Sarcastic mission running veteran, 4+ years) [Brackley, UK] My budgie can say "ploppy bottom". You have been warned.
Gordon Marinius Caldari School of Applied Knowledge	Posted - 2008.10.12 14:00:00 - [9] Edited by: Gordon Marinius on 12/10/2008 14:04:28 When I got back on after the daily downtime the rat was gone. Ironicly I later lost the ship to a pirate. Although he did open a private channel and I told him I was prepared to pay a ransom for the ship he blew up the ship and then wanted a ransom for the pod. That's a hundred million ISK ship equiped only with three T1 strip miners. The wreck will be worth at most 1-2 million then he wants a ransom for my implant-empty clone in the pod. I gave him a peice of my mind and so he blew up the pod. Saving me a long trip back home. His corporation leader commented that SURGE only ransoms pods I understand that pirates have to make a living too but all this ammounted to was a hundred million loss for me and a 2 million profit for him. Wouldn't it have been better for all parties if he had just accepted a 20-30 million ransom for the ship itself then let me go about my business?
Iracham Gallente	Posted - 2008.10.12 15:25:00 - [10] Originally by: Gordon Marinius I understand that pirates have to make a living too but all this ammounted to was a hundred million loss for me and a 2 million profit for him. Wouldn't it have been better for all parties if he had just accepted a 20-30 million ransom for the ship itself then let me go about my business? Not if he values a killmail more than the ransom.
Gordon Marinius Caldari School of Applied Knowledge	Posted - 2008.10.12 18:02:00 - [11] How much credit is there to be had from destroying an unarmed mining barge? _______________________
Tasko Pal Heron Corporation	Posted - 2008.10.13 00:49:00 - [12] Originally by: Gordon Marinius How much credit is there to be had from destroying an unarmed mining barge? Obviously, more than the ransom on the barge.
Chainsaw Plankton IDLE GUNS IDLE EMPIRE	Posted - 2008.10.13 02:49:00 - [13] Originally by: Gordon Marinius How much credit is there to be had from destroying an unarmed mining barge? pithi a-type small shield booster forgive me for assuming you had one rather than fit a cargo/ship scanner to all of my ships. I only have so many midslots as for your pod there are billions worth of potential implants that you may have had no I'm not the one who killed him, but the thoughts above are probably what most pirates would have thought.
Gordon Marinius Caldari School of Applied Knowledge	Posted - 2008.10.13 09:37:00 - [14] I can see it now. Pirates gathered around the plasma bonfire, drinking space-rum. Everyone else talking about ransoming Rorqual's for billions after taking down the 20 ship escort. Then this guy goes "Oh yeah? Well today I took down a hulk! Got me a good 900.000 ISK for that "Strip Miner I" it droped" Owing to lack of Eve-related content, signature removed. If you would like to discuss this, please mail [email protected] - Mitnal
IsThereAnybodyOutThere	Posted - 2008.10.13 12:49:00 - [15] There is this T1 (and thus fully insurable) ship called a Covetor, which is much better suited to stuff like running around lowsec with no friends.
Gordon Marinius Caldari School of Applied Knowledge	Posted - 2008.10.13 12:52:00 - [16] Oh it's fine. I have 9 more Hulks back home. I'm not bitter just....perplexed. But lesson learned I guess. _______________
Falkrich Swifthand Caldari eNinjas Incorporated	Posted - 2008.10.13 14:01:00 - [17] Your sig should get nerfed soon, it's well outside the limits allowed on this forum. nullnull My sig is not my sig.
Gordon Marinius Caldari School of Applied Knowledge	Posted - 2008.10.13 14:27:00 - [18] Edited by: Gordon Marinius on 13/10/2008 14:33:48 We will see. _______________
Nai Weil Caldari Tupperware Party	Posted - 2008.10.13 14:55:00 - [19] Originally by: Chainsaw Plankton Originally by: Gordon Marinius How much credit is there to be had from destroying an unarmed mining barge? pithi a-type small shield booster forgive me for assuming you had one rather than fit a cargo/ship scanner to all of my ships. I only have so many midslots as for your pod there are billions worth of potential implants that you may have had no I'm not the one who killed him, but the thoughts above are probably what most pirates would have thought. On a side note, is there actually any way a pirate can see what implants a pod pilot has? I mean, can they actually value your clone, or can you pretend you have a set of +2s and pay way less than what you are worth, but enough to satisfy them if they believed you?
Baldour Ngarr Interwarp Plexus Controlled Chaos	Posted - 2008.10.13 14:56:00 - [20] Originally by: Gordon Marinius Oh it's fine. I have 9 more Hulks back home. I'm not bitter just....perplexed. You know that your clone is not worth paying a ransom for; but the pirate does not. He'd look a lot bigger fool if he'd taken a 30mill ransom for the Hulk and then found out you had two billion worth of implants in your head. ________________________________________________ "I tried strip mining, but I lost, and it's cold flying around in space naked."
Gordon Marinius Caldari School of Applied Knowledge	Posted - 2008.10.13 15:06:00 - [21] Originally by: Baldour Ngarr You know that your clone is not worth paying a ransom for; but the pirate does not. He'd look a lot bigger fool if he'd taken a 30mill ransom for the Hulk and then found out you had two billion worth of implants in your head. That's a gamble and now he ended up a fool anyway. From a capitalist perspective anyway. Mayby he sells the kill mail for 31 mill. I don't know. _______________
ellie mayer	Posted - 2008.10.13 15:34:00 - [22] Originally by: Gordon Marinius That's a gamble and now he ended up a fool anyway. From a capitalist perspective anyway. Mayby he sells the kill mail for 31 mill. I don't know. Why he the fool ? He lost nothing but the ammo used to kill you. You lost a T2 barge and no matter if you really have got 9 at home ( why btw, you can only use one at a time, or do you make a point of suicideing hulks in low sec ?). Hope you may of learned the lesson that going to low sec in a hulk is stupid, or will it take 9 more to make you see that ?
Gordon Marinius Caldari School of Applied Knowledge	Posted - 2008.10.13 15:45:00 - [23] Originally by: ellie mayer Why he the fool ? The argument was put forward that accepting 30 million to not blow up my ship would have made him a fool had he later found out that I was wearing billions worth of implants. To which I respond that if that makes him a fool then walking out of there with nothing at all to show for it (as he did) Must make him an even bigger fool. I have multiple Hulks because it's a dangerous world. Insurance payouts are low and I don't want to ever have to end up without a ship or money. As it works now I could lose nine fully equiped ships and still have a fully equiped ship ready for mining. Granted I don't buy a new hulk everytime I lose one. I think I will wait til I'm down to mayby 3 spare hulks before I consider buying more of them. _______________
Nai Weil Caldari Tupperware Party	Posted - 2008.10.13 15:58:00 - [24] Originally by: Gordon Marinius Edited by: Gordon Marinius on 13/10/2008 15:47:15 Originally by: ellie mayer Why he the fool ? The argument was put forward that accepting 30 million to not blow up my ship would have made him a fool had he later found out that I was wearing billions worth of implants. To which I respond that if that makes him a fool then walking out of there with nothing at all to show for it (as he did) Must make him an even bigger fool. I have multiple Hulks because it's a dangerous world. Insurance payouts are low and I don't want to ever have to end up without a ship or money. As it works now I could lose nine fully equiped ships and still have a fully equiped ship ready for mining. Granted I don't buy a new hulk everytime I lose one. I think I will wait til I'm down to mayby 3 spare hulks before I consider buying more of them. These 9 where purchassed at a great discount which is an opportunity I seased. Gordon, sadly, pirates don't look for the same things we carebears do. To them, ISK gain for a lowsec kill is totally irrelevant. If they get a ransom having already gotten what they wanted (the killmail), all the better. If not, it doesn't bother them one iota, since they didn't lose anything, and got what they wanted anyway. Only time a kill costs a pirate anything is when he suicide ganks in highsec, and in those cases they do normally make sure that what is dropped will net them a profit. In lowsec and nullsec, they kill simply because they can, and they get killmails which boost their kill rank within their corp's killboard. Monetary gain is more the suicide ganker's domain. Having said that, I heard of a pirate (I think he's an idiot, but he knew what he was doing and he got what he wanted) who suicide ganked some flashy T2 ship in highsec, lost a few hundred mil in ship and modules and got nothing out of the killed ship. When asked by the victim what on earth made him suicide gank at such a loss, his only reply was "cool killmail". That's all they're after, really, although there are some who do use pirating for ISK purposes. I'm not defending the killmail addicts, mind you, but that's what they are, and the best we can do is not present ourselves as a target. Not everyone can be paid off when the turd hits the fan. Fly safe, mate, and continue to mine profitably. Glad to see it hasn't affected your bank balance too much!
ellie mayer	Posted - 2008.10.13 16:17:00 - [25] Originally by: Gordon Marinius The argument was put forward that accepting 30 million to not blow up my ship would have made him a fool had he later found out that I was wearing billions worth of implants. To which I respond that if that makes him a fool then walking out of there with nothing at all to show for it (as he did) Must make him an even bigger fool. What you got in you're head would make no diference to him so no he wouldn't be a fool if took you isk then found out ( how? )you got bil's in head after. Originally by: Gordon Marinius I have multiple Hulks because it's a dangerous world. Insurance payouts are low and I don't want to ever have to end up without a ship or money. As it works now I could lose nine fully equiped ships and still have a fully equiped ship ready for mining. Granted I don't buy a new hulk everytime I lose one. I think I will wait til I'm down to mayby 3 spare hulks before I consider buying more of them. These 9 where purchassed at a great discount which is an opportunity I seased. So you planning on losing 900 mil in fitted ships before get more. When are you going to see sense and stop. There is no reason on earth to take a hulk into low sec, you make more mining in empire. Even if the low sec system is safe to you and you're corp the fact is as soon as you take a pilot out of a mining ship or hauler and use him to protect the op you'd make more mining veld in high sec. To answer the point on why he popped you this may help. A new hulk pilot asked in this thread: http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=880841&page=1#24 Originally by: Gordon Marinius Meanwhile does anyone know what these items are? Gistii-A Small Shield Booster Eutectic Cap Recharger Gist-B NPC Specific Hardeners Caldari Navy Small Shield Booster So as you can see people are not only stupid enough to take Hulks into low sec but also to stick nice mods on them. So the piwate turned down you plea's for a randsom when he not interested in it as it was the kill for him and hoped that maybe you had some decent loot and t2 salvage parts that would earn him isk as well as the mail. Learn you're lession ( we all have ) and stay out of low sec in mining ship.
Gordon Marinius Caldari School of Applied Knowledge	Posted - 2008.10.13 17:02:00 - [26] Edited by: Gordon Marinius on 13/10/2008 17:03:55 There where no really nice mods on them. I left everything back home except for the strip miners. The list you cite are items suggested to me. But Instead I bought some market available items of the same type. If anything it was an attempted diplomatic mission. It's a shame. You have a gang of pirates that have managed to lock down a low sec area. All that ore going to waste. Instead of leting some people mine from it and collect a cut from the miners in exchange for safety they blow up the miners so no miners come there. _______________
adriaans Amarr Ankaa.	Posted - 2008.10.13 17:15:00 - [27] Originally by: Gordon Marinius Edited by: Gordon Marinius on 13/10/2008 17:03:55 There where no really nice mods on them. I left everything back home except for the strip miners. The list you cite are items suggested to me. But Instead I bought some market available items of the same type. If anything it was an attempted diplomatic mission. It's a shame. You have a gang of pirates that have managed to lock down a low sec area. All that ore going to waste. Instead of leting some people mine from it and collect a cut from the miners in exchange for safety they blow up the miners so no miners come there. you seem to be missing the point that THE PIRATE DOESN'T KNOW WHAT YOU HAVE FITTED personally i ransom as often as i can, but theres always the chance of very nice loot one can miss out on then, so all in all, it's a chance game. and some people for some absurd reason value killmails beyond anything -sig- Support the introduction of Blaze M crystals for Amarr!
Gordon Marinius Caldari School of Applied Knowledge	Posted - 2008.10.13 17:26:00 - [28] Aren't there scanners for what one has "fitted"? _______________
Ctp Hawkeye Caldari Vice And Valour	Posted - 2008.10.14 03:05:00 - [29] Originally by: adriaans and some people for some absurd reason value killmails beyond anything and some people for some absurd reason value imaginary space money beyond anything. Fun in eve for me is making things explode, not sitting looking at a big wallet balance. -------------------------------------------------- Now accepting ISK for my rattlesnake fund --------------------------------------------------
Ctp Hawkeye Caldari Vice And Valour	Posted - 2008.10.14 03:07:00 - [30] Originally by: Gordon Marinius Aren't there scanners for what one has "fitted"? yes, but it takes a midslot - soemthing thats very valuable for warp disruptors, webbers, mwd's, cap injectors, sheild tanks, ewar, etc etc. Not many pvp fits will include a ship scanner, and if they do, its comprimising their combat capabilities. -------------------------------------------------- Now accepting ISK for my rattlesnake fund --------------------------------------------------

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