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Sin Meng
Synergetics
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Posted - 2012.03.31 10:08:00 -
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Missiles with micro jumpdrives inside them. Ponder and discuss. Elements of the past and the future combining to make something not quite as good as either. |
kyrv
hirr Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2012.03.31 10:26:00 -
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I like the 'Skipper' Missile in Wing Commander it has chances to be shot down but deals nuclear proportions of damage against capital's.
The photon masking cloaking technology phases the missile out of view and back in just to acquire a lock before disappearing leaving little room for a point defence technology. |
Alara IonStorm
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Posted - 2012.03.31 10:28:00 -
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Considering the only module showcased is Battleship sized...
I don't think they have the miniaturization technology yet to put it on a Missile Platform. |
Sin Meng
Synergetics
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Posted - 2012.03.31 10:42:00 -
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Alara IonStorm wrote:Considering the only module showcased is Battleship sized...
I don't think they have the miniaturization technology yet to put it on a Missile Platform.
Lets say they found some other stuff lying around that abandoned sleeper station that they found the "immortality" implants in for dust mercs.
I'm sure if the gameplay around it could solve a problem, particularly with cruise missiles, then a lore explanation could be made later. Elements of the past and the future combining to make something not quite as good as either. |
Alara IonStorm
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Posted - 2012.03.31 10:47:00 -
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Sin Meng wrote: I'm sure if the gameplay around it could solve a problem, particularly with cruise missiles, then a lore explanation could be made later.
That doesn't solve Missiles it takes away flight time and makes them turrets with Missile Mechanics. As for Cruise Missiles the problem is as much with the Raven and current Sniper Mechanics then anything.
I don't think the path to LR Missiles should be a gimmick but an overhaul. |
Cedo Nulli
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2012.03.31 11:18:00 -
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Cool idea sure but would wreck the whole missile vs guns mechanics .... Not to mention why then wouldnt we have warping bombs from SBs ? |
Whitehound
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Posted - 2012.03.31 11:34:00 -
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Sin Meng wrote:Missiles with micro jumpdrives inside them. Ponder and discuss. So what is the idea? I shoot a missile at a target and it then jumps into another system to hit someone else?
Hmm, I am pondering all right. I can sit in low-sec and spam missiles into high-sec, yes? |
Exploited Engineer
Creatively Applied Violence Inc.
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Posted - 2012.03.31 11:36:00 -
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Sin Meng wrote:Missiles with micro jumpdrives inside them. Ponder and discuss.
The real-world equivalent of this would be weapon systems like the Sea Lance. It's basically an anti-submarine torpedo that is delivered to close proximity of hostile submarine by rocket above the surface. This way, you get most of the speed of a missile, coupled with the ability to engage submarines of a torpedo.
Missiles in EVE could be reworked this way without removing regular missile mechanics:
Ship fires missile/torpedo Missile/torpedo engages warp drive Missile/torpedo pops out of warp in the vicinity of target half a second later Missile/torpedo flies to target and goes boom
Steps 2 and 3 could be skipped if target is already close enough to the firing ship.
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Alara IonStorm
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Posted - 2012.03.31 11:38:00 -
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Whitehound wrote: So what is the idea? I shoot a missile at a target and it then jumps into another system to hit someone else?
Hmm, I am pondering all right. I can sit in low-sec and spam missiles into high-sec, yes?
I always wondered why Warp and Jump Drive Missiles weren't a thing in the EVE Universe.
I don't necessarily mean ship mounted but I figure those would be the New Edan version of the ICBM.
Maybe just missions to take out Intersystem batteries or something. |
Sin Meng
Synergetics
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Posted - 2012.03.31 12:01:00 -
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Whitehound wrote:Sin Meng wrote:Missiles with micro jumpdrives inside them. Ponder and discuss. So what is the idea? I shoot a missile at a target and it then jumps into another system to hit someone else? Hmm, I am pondering all right. I can sit in low-sec and spam missiles into high-sec, yes?
I intentionally omitted my own specific idea so that this thread didn't turn into everyone vs. the OP's idea. I actually want to hear what other people come up with after toying with the general notion themselves. Elements of the past and the future combining to make something not quite as good as either. |
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Super Chair
Project Cerberus Caldari State Capturing
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Posted - 2012.04.01 01:01:00 -
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I predict the PG requirements for the micro jump drive will be just enough to force any caldari ships to gimp their fits into order to use it, but be "just right" for the other races. Afterall, why would you want the sniper race to be viable? |
MICH00000
The Pakk Syndicate
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Posted - 2012.04.01 03:25:00 -
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Would be cool too have something ICBM-esque in the eve universe, something that POS's could unleash on each other. |
stoicfaux
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Posted - 2012.04.01 03:37:00 -
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Put the micro-jump thingie in the missile launcher. Missile launchers now use cap but the launcher instantly micro-jumps the missile on top of the target.
Dammit, if CCP hadn't nerfed the Comet's blinking light, I could now be flying around in Jita in my "Whaaaaaambulance!"
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Adacia Calla
The Long Kiss Goodnight
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Posted - 2012.04.01 04:47:00 -
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MICH00000 wrote:Would be cool too have something ICBM-esque in the eve universe, something that POS's could unleash on each other. This. Test signature....forum not applying settings :( |
Jacob Holland
Weyland-Vulcan Industries Alliance not Found
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Posted - 2012.04.01 09:39:00 -
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Alara IonStorm wrote: I always wondered why Warp and Jump Drive Missiles weren't a thing in the EVE Universe.
I don't necessarily mean ship mounted but I figure those would be the New Edan version of the ICBM.
Maybe just missions to take out Intersystem batteries or something.
The closest thing to that was the "Doomsday through Cyno" system. Initially that system almost made sense, allowing a Titan involved in a main, line engagement to attack a staging support fleet - making a Titan's presence felt throughout the system, something which made sense given the Devs' estimates on Titan numbers (8).
Of course, given EVE players, it didn't take long before a dozen Titans sitting in a Deathstar POS led to the removal of the Cyno Doomsday (because it was "stupid")...
Of course it doesn't take a huge leap of imagination to see ICBM style missiles leading to horrendous numbers of Ravens sitting in a small POS somewhere and... well you can imagine ...
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Jawfish
The Scope Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.04.02 05:27:00 -
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For a while I've thought the missing weapon systems in EVE were a turret weapon with missile mechanics, a channeled beam weapon, and a low DPS direct fire AOE weapon. This would have fulfilled one of the three |
Halete
Tribal Liberation Force Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2012.04.02 06:09:00 -
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Seems incredibly uneconomical, doesn't it? Bombs aren't exactly weapons of mass destruction outside of organized runs using plenty of the things and even the Caldari's missile supremacy basically boils down to "look our missile's targeting systems! LOOK!" Generic small-time hero-tackle pilot with no relevance. |
Asuka Smith
Noir.
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Posted - 2012.04.02 07:00:00 -
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What if missiles were changed to have slightly different balance through the tiers and a new mission was introduced. iI think missiles are long overdue for a rework. How about if missiles were re-classified as
Light, Light Assault Heavy, Heavy Assault High-yield, High-yield assault (placeholder name) Strategic, prototype strategic
These would be the new frigate, cruiser/battlecruiser, and battleship designations. Strategic would be a new designation of missile launcher, firing long range area of effect rounds. Prototype strategic would be a new dreadnought missilelauncher to the same effect. The strategic missiles would serve two purposes, firstly they would make missile snipers relevant in large numbers because although the damage is greatly delayed, its aoe. And secondly it will create a soft cap on gang sizes, as the nature of aoe damage in terms of scaling is that the number of targets increases the effective dps of the aoe-using shooter. This would mean that gangs above a certain size would be at a disadvantage against missiles unless they used them aswell, and gangs below that size would be better off using guns, by encouraging people to use smaller gangs and making smaller gangs more effective against larger gangs (low-damage aoe missiles are not great outside of a massive blobfest) the game promotes diverse missile gameplay, more relevant caldari for pvp, and healthier less blob-centric pvp. |
Daniel L'Siata
Echelon Conflict Resolution. Psychotic Tendencies.
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Posted - 2012.04.02 12:49:00 -
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Sniping and Cruise (Torps to a lesser extent) really need to get rebalanced.
I'm personally hoping that the new tactical warp disruption field generators could be pretty awesome for sniping, but it's probably going to require a mechanics change. |
Proteus Maximus
New Eden Outcasts Malicious Intent Gentleman's Club
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Posted - 2012.04.02 15:05:00 -
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How about: Black Ops BS on grid uncloaks and fires said strategic missile. Recon uncloaks with in 249k of the target. He then lazes or target paints the point of impact and guides in the strike . Both agressing ships are un able to recloak until after detonation of the strike package. Just a thought. Eve... Burn it....Burn it All |
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Metal Icarus
xHELLonEARTHx Rookie Empire
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Posted - 2012.04.02 15:20:00 -
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I would say that it would only be fair if it had the same limitations as ships and their MJD. It would only activate on targets more than 150km away, lands 20km away from target and continues burn to target. This would be a much needed buff to cruise missile sniping. Instead of taking 90 seconds to reach target, it takes 15 seconds, but only when said target is 150km+ away.
Limitations: Cruise missiles cannot engage warhead while MJD is active, They cannot follow the target while in warp. Can only be used if BS is in some sort of seige mode. They can move (and use prop mods), just not warp, as the ships targeting system has to be designating the target with which the missile has to hit. stop firing MJD Cruise missiles and the warp drive can activate.
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Sin Meng
Synergetics
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Posted - 2012.04.02 15:38:00 -
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Metal Icarus wrote:I would say that it would only be fair if it had the same limitations as ships and their MJD. It would only activate on targets more than 150km away, lands 20km away from target and continues burn to target. This would be a much needed buff to cruise missile sniping. Instead of taking 90 seconds to reach target, it takes 15 seconds, but only when said target is 150km+ away.
Limitations: Cruise missiles cannot engage warhead while MJD is active, They cannot follow the target while in warp. Can only be used if BS is in some sort of seige mode. They can move (and use prop mods), just not warp, as the ships targeting system has to be designating the target with which the missile has to hit. stop firing MJD Cruise missiles and the warp drive can activate.
Was really just trying to find a creative excuse to add a maximum time-to-target mechanic for cruises. They're so bad at the moment that I don't believe there needs to be a counterbalance mechanic in addition to it.
Hell I'm tempted to make the case that it should just be included in all long range T2 guided missiles. Elements of the past and the future combining to make something not quite as good as either. |
Caldari Citizen20090217
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
17
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Posted - 2012.04.02 16:18:00 -
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Will these warp missiles be useless if the defenders drop a bubbling hic on your raven fleet?
TBH I like the idea of warp missiles. Cruise do need looking at badly, with their terrible flight time, lol damage, large exp radius etc.. The POS ICBM thing would be cool were it not for the players who would abuse the hell out of it lol.
Also i want to strap the warp drives from probes onto a bomb, and use a set of combat probes scanning to warp bombs onto my target. |
Thelron
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
20
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Posted - 2012.04.02 19:17:00 -
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Maybe Torp Ravens will be the new Cruise Missile? |
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