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Ishbuanium
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Posted - 2008.10.13 23:08:00 -
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Originally by: Aganola
Originally by: Malcanis
Originally by: Ishbuanium
Originally by: Aganola
Originally by: Ishbuanium
Originally by: Jimer Lins I have a request, CCP:
Please post your subscription numbers as of today, the 15th, and one month after this change goes live so we can point and laugh at all the "I'm cancelling all my accounts!" people when it's shown that this will have no net effect on actual paying subscriptions.
I'd like to see the graph too, but for the opposite reason
You'll see jack...
subscriptions (GTC) are of 2 months period... try and come back for the quaterly report...
1 month will show a rise in subs 2 month will show a fall of subs 3 month will plumet...
You still might see a small dip in subs in the first month, but point taken. Not like they're going to release the sub numbers though.
CCP always made their active account numbers public. I wonder how long that tradition will last.
public? where?? show me! plz!
I require linkies!
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Malcanis
RuffRyders Axiom Empire
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Posted - 2008.10.13 23:08:00 -
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Originally by: Jauques Strap you whiny little immature, sociopathic, brat.
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SZ Rota
Caldari Eve University Ivy League
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Posted - 2008.10.13 23:08:00 -
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This change is a shameless money grab that will lose them existing customers and deter newer players from taking up the game.
Alts are integral to any mmorpg. Some people are happy with one character, but almost all serious players in almost all mmorpgs have more than one character.
I mean fully functioning alts, not a 1 hour shake-n-bake hauler alt.
Example: You play all the time and enjoy the 0.0 end game and one of your characters is dedicated to fighting for one of the big coalitions, butà you want to enjoy other aspects of the game, and play with friends who are not in one of the big end game coalitions, so you have another alt with which you might try out FW or piracy or anti-piracy or industry, or merc life, or whatever.
Nobody in their right mind pays for more than one account to have alts in other games. Sure, rare people do, but in other games itÆs just not necessary, because one account and one subscription accommodates several characters.
Eve is one of those bizarre places where people live in complete denial about many things, and the scam with regard to forcing payment on multiple accounts is one giant squid in the room that nobody talks about.
For me, until now, I could try to keep the price of two characters down by ghost training one while playing the other. That still left Eve inferior to other games with respect cost for services, because I was forced to leave one character inactive at a time, while in other games I could play any alt I wanted whenever I wanted. I know I was being cheated, but I lived with it to play Eve and be with friends.
Ending ghost training is just over the top. That, I cannot live with.
CCP is cheating players out of money, and on top of it, insulting us further by lieing about.
The stated reason for the change is.. ôThis practice upsets the balance of the game, and capsuleers who actively put their time and energy into working on their characters will no longer be unfairly affected by those few who have not.ö
Pardon me CCP, but the game is going on five and a half years old. If there was a grave imbalance, people would have written about it. On the contrary, not only were there essentially no people complaining about it earlier, but currently players hate this change. You are not doing this for the players, youÆre doing this to cheat them out of more money. Everyone sees that.
LetÆs look at the substance of the stated reason for this change. Can you imagine the balls the CCP CEO has to have in order to have a spokesman say the above. The stated reason is because they want to have players work on their characters rather than get æfreeÆ advancement? Um, pink elephant in the room, squid in the room, hey, bloody dagger in the back, HELLO! YOU HAVE A FOUM WHERE ANYONE WITH REAL MONEY CAN, WITHIN THE EULA, BUY AS MUCH IN GAME CURRENCY AS THEY WANT AND BUY A CHARACTER 5 YEARS MORE ADVANCED IF THEY WANT. With enough cash, I can legally by game rules buy a titan and a titan pilot. And yet you, CCP, have the balls to say that youÆre curtailing ghost training to even things between people who æworkÆ in game for their progress and those who donÆt? Shame on you for the repulsive, translucent dishonesty and avarice.
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Fred Ayurveda
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Posted - 2008.10.13 23:09:00 -
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Originally by: Ithnolin
Originally by: Malcanis
Originally by: TYCONDEROGA Edited by: TYCONDEROGA on 13/10/2008 22:38:11 If you cannot afford 15$ a month for a hobby as time consuming as this, you seriously need to re-evaluate your budget, or your life.
I've been playing since 04' and I've never taken advantage of Ghost training, my loss? maybe...
Who cares. I love the game CCP puts out, and I will gladly MOTHER ****ING PAY FOR IT.
Whining bastards.
Hope you've still got a job next month mate. Because I don't think many people can say for sure that they will.
I can. I pay for two accounts, at the same time even, all year long. I won't be quiting over this. I will be buying up all the accounts for sale here in the near future for 1 isk each.
You're a bad person defending a bad company from the anger of your fellow players when nothing about the situation effects you whatsoever. CCP will find it easy enough to ignore us without you giving them excuses. **** off.
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ghengis khan2
Shad0wtech
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Posted - 2008.10.13 23:09:00 -
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so...stopping training on people using multiple accounts and letting them go inactive..and having little impact on the game as a whole
doing nothing vs macro ice miners/ore miners ruining the ingame economy /selling isk / destroying high sec systems for those that wish to live there, while protecting them with concord and ignoring all petitions against them
(yes i have petitioned many and recieved the standard "we will look into it "reply while the macros continue for months)..
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SZ Rota
Caldari Eve University Ivy League
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Posted - 2008.10.13 23:09:00 -
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On the topic of RMT, real cash for in game advancement, some people excuse the forced payment for multiple accounts to skill up more than one character by saying that itÆs not so bad when you can pay for GTCs, play time, with in game currency. It has always baffled me why people in Eve hate gold farmers so vehemently, while at the same time condone CCP making their own player base into gold farmers. What else would you call it when a game has some players earn in game currency by working in game, while others pay real cash for that in game currency, and the gaming company taking a cut. I donÆt care if you do it on the CCP official site, or if you do it on the black market, if you earn isk and you sell it for real life cash, you are a gold farmer. Am I saying that people who buy and sell gold are evil? No, not at all. IÆm not taking sides on that issue. IÆm not here to argue for or against RMT, IÆm NOT. IÆm not here to argue for or against gold farming or character trade or anything. IÆm NOT. My point is just to say that itÆs the height of hypocrisy for CCP to maintain theyÆre going for æfairÆ with regard to work and player advancement, and the height of denial for players to maintain CCP isnÆt using them as gold farmers. If you have a second or third account, and you pay for it with isk for GTC, and youÆre happy, then great, fantastic, wonderful, IÆm happy for you. Still, neither you, nor CCP can deny that essentially, youÆre paying for that account by gold farming for CCP. If youÆre happy, IÆm happy, but donÆt tell me itÆs not gold farming for CCP, because it is.
Well, thatÆs my initial reaction to discontinuation of ghost training.
Maybe IÆll have more when I wade through the 50 pages of the Eve forum thread on it.
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rofflesausage
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Posted - 2008.10.13 23:09:00 -
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Edited by: rofflesausage on 13/10/2008 23:10:21 Who honestly didn't see this coming after they killed 30 day GTCs? Really?
Worked fine on paper: Stop all GTCs apart from 60 days (with a slight price increase to boot) and then stop training while account is inactive. Pure profit motives.
The bloke who got me into EvE has been ghost training on and off the last 6 months due to real life issues. The result? CCP still get some money off him over this period with NO additional load on the server for that player. Win-Win you would think?
Meh. I've never ghost trained but got sucked in by "The power of 2" offer, which I guess I would have done it on at some point. Thing is, I don't need that account in the slightest, it was more of something on the side. The chances that that account is going to be a fully paying one now are pretty much zero.
Bad move CCP
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chotaire
Caldari The Rising Stars Cosmic Anomalies
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Posted - 2008.10.13 23:09:00 -
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Originally by: Carsidava
Originally by: Jauques Strap I bet most of everyone here complaining never pays a single bit of RL money to play this stupid game!
I've been playing for two and a half years and have never bought a GTC with ISK. I've paid with credit card and with CC-bought GTCs.
So yeah, take your rant and stick it.
Just for you guys to realize, if you pay a GTC with isk, the person who sold it to you still paid for it with real money. So? No loss for CCP.
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ingenting
20th Legion Southern Cross Alliance
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Posted - 2008.10.13 23:10:00 -
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Bonefish O'Hallahan
GoonFleet
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Posted - 2008.10.13 23:11:00 -
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Originally by: ingenting EVE IS GONNA DIE EVE IS GONNA DIE EVE IS GONNA DIE EVE IS GONNA DIE EVE IS GONNA DIE EVE IS GONNA DIE EVE IS GONNA DIE EVE IS GONNA DIE EVE IS GONNA DIE EVE IS GONNA DIE EVE IS GONNA DIE EVE IS GONNA DIE EVE IS GONNA DIE EVE IS GONNA DIE EVE IS GONNA DIE EVE IS GONNA DIE EVE IS GONNA DIE EVE IS GONNA DIE EVE IS GONNA DIE EVE IS GONNA DIE EVE IS GONNA DIE EVE IS GONNA DIE EVE IS GONNA DIE EVE IS GONNA DIE EVE IS GONNA DIE EVE IS GONNA DIE EVE IS GONNA DIE EVE IS GONNA DIE EVE IS GONNA DIE EVE IS GONNA DIE EVE IS GONNA DIE EVE IS GONNA DIE EVE IS GONNA DIE EVE IS GONNA DIE
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Iridius Fervus
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Posted - 2008.10.13 23:11:00 -
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48+ pages. 1 (2 including original post and several edits on player posts) dev response(s) to 1400+ player responses. Nice work ****s.
-3 accounts
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Sanadis
Gallente Sphere Industries Combined Planetary Union
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Posted - 2008.10.13 23:11:00 -
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Originally by: ingenting EVE IS GONNA DIE EVE IS GONNA DIE EVE IS GONNA DIE EVE IS GONNA DIE EVE IS GONNA DIE EVE IS GONNA DIE EVE IS GONNA DIE EVE IS GONNA DIE EVE IS GONNA DIE EVE IS GONNA DIE EVE IS GONNA DIE EVE IS GONNA DIE EVE IS GONNA DIE EVE IS GONNA DIE EVE IS GONNA DIE EVE IS GONNA DIE EVE IS GONNA DIE EVE IS GONNA DIE EVE IS GONNA DIE EVE IS GONNA DIE EVE IS GONNA DIE EVE IS GONNA DIE EVE IS GONNA DIE EVE IS GONNA DIE EVE IS GONNA DIE EVE IS GONNA DIE EVE IS GONNA DIE EVE IS GONNA DIE EVE IS GONNA DIE EVE IS GONNA DIE EVE IS GONNA DIE EVE IS GONNA DIE EVE IS GONNA DIE EVE IS GONNA DIE
So did you pay for your account just to say that?
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ghengis khan2
Shad0wtech
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Posted - 2008.10.13 23:12:00 -
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i think ccp lost their bookmark to this thread and now they cant find it again [url] |
Moving Buddy
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Posted - 2008.10.13 23:12:00 -
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There were 1,424 replies to this thread at time of writing. I guess CCP will figure that hey, that's 6 chars per person based on two accounts. Only 237 people complaining tops. Awesome.
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Baka Lakadaka
Gallente Agony Unleashed Agony Empire
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Posted - 2008.10.13 23:12:00 -
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There's quite a number of answers to this thread and I'll admit I haven't read them all, but I did glance through a few pages.
my 0.02ISK + GST:
It's probably going to cause some longer term pilots with multiple accounts in stasis for long skills to have some issues and may cause a few to leave unless it's quickly backed up with a skill queue.
Personally I'd be a bit upset if I left for holiday/work/hospital visit/etc. and had allowed my accounts to lapse during that period, but expected my long term skill to be completed when I returned.
______________________ Isn't it time you learned to fight back? Agony Unleashed Home of the PvP University.
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Vanessa Vasquez
Lyonesse. KIA Alliance
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Posted - 2008.10.13 23:12:00 -
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Originally by: TYCONDEROGA Edited by: TYCONDEROGA on 13/10/2008 22:38:11 If you cannot afford 15$ a month for a hobby as time consuming as this, you seriously need to re-evaluate your budget, or your life.
I've been playing since 04' and I've never taken advantage of Ghost training, my loss? maybe...
Who cares. I love the game CCP puts out, and I will gladly MOTHER ****ING PAY FOR IT.
Whining bastards.
advantage of ghost training?!? Mate, the advantage you are talking about is not beeing able to play ffs! People choose ghost training cause they can't afford to pay every month, or they are on vacation. Or even are sick of playing a month without any noticeable progression. Yeah, training a 30+ day skill is WAY of limits! AT least for me.
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Chaos Incarnate
Faceless Logistics
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Posted - 2008.10.13 23:13:00 -
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Originally by: Fred Ayurveda Edited by: Fred Ayurveda on 13/10/2008 23:04:30 I still love the fat, shitsocking homosexuals who somehow have such severe Stockholm syndrome that they're defending CCP against the anger of players who were smart enough to utilize this feature EVEN THOUGH THERE IS NO ADVANTAGE TO THEM EITHER WAY.
Kill yourselves...
How about you rage on the forums about it some moar
I really thought that the EVE forums needed another one of those ridiculously emoragey threadnaughts like after the carrier nerf, and this thread surely delivers __________
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Ishbuanium
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Posted - 2008.10.13 23:13:00 -
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Originally by: Bonefish O'Hallahan
Originally by: ingenting EVE IS GONNA DIE EVE IS GONNA DIE EVE IS GONNA DIE EVE IS GONNA DIE EVE IS GONNA DIE EVE IS GONNA DIE EVE IS GONNA DIE EVE IS GONNA DIE EVE IS GONNA DIE EVE IS GONNA DIE EVE IS GONNA DIE EVE IS GONNA DIE EVE IS GONNA DIE EVE IS GONNA DIE EVE IS GONNA DIE EVE IS GONNA DIE EVE IS GONNA DIE EVE IS GONNA DIE EVE IS GONNA DIE EVE IS GONNA DIE EVE IS GONNA DIE EVE IS GONNA DIE EVE IS GONNA DIE EVE IS GONNA DIE EVE IS GONNA DIE EVE IS GONNA DIE EVE IS GONNA DIE EVE IS GONNA DIE EVE IS GONNA DIE EVE IS GONNA DIE EVE IS GONNA DIE EVE IS GONNA DIE EVE IS GONNA DIE EVE IS GONNA DIE
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Bonefish O'Hallahan
GoonFleet
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Posted - 2008.10.13 23:13:00 -
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Originally by: Sanadis
Originally by: ingenting EVE IS GONNA DIE EVE IS GONNA DIE EVE IS GONNA DIE EVE IS GONNA DIE EVE IS GONNA DIE EVE IS GONNA DIE EVE IS GONNA DIE EVE IS GONNA DIE EVE IS GONNA DIE EVE IS GONNA DIE EVE IS GONNA DIE EVE IS GONNA DIE EVE IS GONNA DIE EVE IS GONNA DIE EVE IS GONNA DIE EVE IS GONNA DIE EVE IS GONNA DIE EVE IS GONNA DIE EVE IS GONNA DIE EVE IS GONNA DIE EVE IS GONNA DIE EVE IS GONNA DIE EVE IS GONNA DIE EVE IS GONNA DIE EVE IS GONNA DIE EVE IS GONNA DIE EVE IS GONNA DIE EVE IS GONNA DIE EVE IS GONNA DIE EVE IS GONNA DIE EVE IS GONNA DIE EVE IS GONNA DIE EVE IS GONNA DIE EVE IS GONNA DIE
So did you pay for your account just to say that?
yase
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Char'ex
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Posted - 2008.10.13 23:13:00 -
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Originally by: TYCONDEROGA
Originally by: Snakebloke
Originally by: TYCONDEROGA Edited by: TYCONDEROGA on 13/10/2008 22:38:11 If you cannot afford 15$ a month for a hobby as time consuming as this, you seriously need to re-evaluate your budget, or your life.
I've been playing since 04' and I've never taken advantage of Ghost training, my loss? maybe...
Who cares. I love the game CCP puts out, and I will gladly MOTHER ****ING PAY FOR IT.
Whining bastards.
Just for your information that is an immature, naieve view of the world that we live in and i hope that you reach puberty sooner than later. I understand that CCP wont like what i just said but i dont care, some people have children, reesponsibilities or $800 credit card bills for Fanfest '08 (woot cant wait :D) so saying such a thing is simply ign'ant
So to summarize. naive, immature, and ignorant is the following:
Not living beyond ones means Paying for something you enjoy
And Mature is:
Paying 800$ for fanfest Not being able to afford the 15$ subscription fee for the game that you're going to fanfest to celebrate.
Nice Reasoning there.
I think what can simply sum it up is that I can go out and by a game, such as Call of Duty 4 etc (with such a varity of games to appeal to anyones taste) for a one off payment and play online as much as I want for no extra cost. Or I can pay $80 a year for a game which is good, but dated, buggy, and in all honesty, it would never make it off the shelves if it was offline. As to TYCONDEROGA, I would never consider Eve a hobby personally, or any other game for that matter. I see a hobby as something benefical to the person, such as sport, or playing an instrument. Not sitting behind a desk in a make-belief world. My opinion of course. This though shows what I predict will happen. The 'hardcore' players will continue, but all the casual players will drop out. For me thats what seperated EvE from other MMO games, the mix of the two. CCP are loosing a great unique selling point by doing this...
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elohllird
Destructive Influence Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2008.10.13 23:13:00 -
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Originally by: SZ Rota
This change is a shameless money grab that will lose them existing customers and deter newer players from taking up the game.
Alts are integral to any mmorpg. Some people are happy with one character, but almost all serious players in almost all mmorpgs have more than one character.
I mean fully functioning alts, not a 1 hour shake-n-bake hauler alt.
Example: You play all the time and enjoy the 0.0 end game and one of your characters is dedicated to fighting for one of the big coalitions, butà you want to enjoy other aspects of the game, and play with friends who are not in one of the big end game coalitions, so you have another alt with which you might try out FW or piracy or anti-piracy or industry, or merc life, or whatever.
Nobody in their right mind pays for more than one account to have alts in other games. Sure, rare people do, but in other games itÆs just not necessary, because one account and one subscription accommodates several characters.
Eve is one of those bizarre places where people live in complete denial about many things, and the scam with regard to forcing payment on multiple accounts is one giant squid in the room that nobody talks about.
For me, until now, I could try to keep the price of two characters down by ghost training one while playing the other. That still left Eve inferior to other games with respect cost for services, because I was forced to leave one character inactive at a time, while in other games I could play any alt I wanted whenever I wanted. I know I was being cheated, but I lived with it to play Eve and be with friends.
Ending ghost training is just over the top. That, I cannot live with.
CCP is cheating players out of money, and on top of it, insulting us further by lieing about.
The stated reason for the change is.. ôThis practice upsets the balance of the game, and capsuleers who actively put their time and energy into working on their characters will no longer be unfairly affected by those few who have not.ö
Pardon me CCP, but the game is going on five and a half years old. If there was a grave imbalance, people would have written about it. On the contrary, not only were there essentially no people complaining about it earlier, but currently players hate this change. You are not doing this for the players, youÆre doing this to cheat them out of more money. Everyone sees that.
LetÆs look at the substance of the stated reason for this change. Can you imagine the balls the CCP CEO has to have in order to have a spokesman say the above. The stated reason is because they want to have players work on their characters rather than get æfreeÆ advancement? Um, pink elephant in the room, squid in the room, hey, bloody dagger in the back, HELLO! YOU HAVE A FOUM WHERE ANYONE WITH REAL MONEY CAN, WITHIN THE EULA, BUY AS MUCH IN GAME CURRENCY AS THEY WANT AND BUY A CHARACTER 5 YEARS MORE ADVANCED IF THEY WANT. With enough cash, I can legally by game rules buy a titan and a titan pilot. And yet you, CCP, have the balls to say that youÆre curtailing ghost training to even things between people who æworkÆ in game for their progress and those who donÆt? Shame on you for the repulsive, translucent dishonesty and avarice.
This ^^
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Malcanis
RuffRyders Axiom Empire
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Posted - 2008.10.13 23:14:00 -
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Originally by: Moving Buddy There were 1,424 replies to this thread at time of writing. I guess CCP will figure that hey, that's 6 chars per person based on two accounts. Only 237 people complaining tops. Awesome.
Hey just because the only way you can get someone to agree with you is to log an alt and do it yourself doesn't mean the rest of are similar.
I don't alt-post. Period.
Oh and as long as we're throwing around baseless ad-hominems... which CCP employee are you?
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Makkiel
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Posted - 2008.10.13 23:14:00 -
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This probably is the worst thing you could do ...
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Avon
Caldari Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2008.10.13 23:14:00 -
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Personally I don't really see the problem.
Then again, I have always kept my accounts active.
Maybe now newer players who are willing to pay for what they get can catch up with older players who aren't?
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Ivor Gunn
No One Expects The Spanish Inquisition
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Posted - 2008.10.13 23:14:00 -
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Where is the promised dev blog?
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Earthican
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Posted - 2008.10.13 23:14:00 -
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All accounts belonging to players who have posted that they are going to quit when this goes through WILL be deleted when this goes through.
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Avon
Caldari Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2008.10.13 23:15:00 -
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Originally by: Earthican All accounts belonging to players who have posted that they are going to quit when this goes through WILL be deleted when this goes through.
That would be pretty laffo.
Eve-Online: The Text Adventure |
Andreus Ixiris
Gallente Mixed Metaphor
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Posted - 2008.10.13 23:15:00 -
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This is an awful idea. Luckily, I think it's going to hurt CCP far more than it hurts players, which is generally the karmic consequence of making a poor choice. -----
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Chaos Incarnate
Faceless Logistics
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Posted - 2008.10.13 23:16:00 -
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Originally by: Iridius Fervus 48+ pages. 1 (2 including original post and several edits on player posts) dev response(s) to 1400+ player responses. Nice work ****s.
-3 accounts
Can I have your stuff? __________
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Aganola
Amarr Hungarian Riflemen Regiment
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Posted - 2008.10.13 23:17:00 -
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Originally by: Malcanis
Originally by: Moving Buddy There were 1,424 replies to this thread at time of writing. I guess CCP will figure that hey, that's 6 chars per person based on two accounts. Only 237 people complaining tops. Awesome.
Hey just because the only way you can get someone to agree with you is to log an alt and do it yourself doesn't mean the rest of are similar.
I don't alt-post. Period.
Oh and as long as we're throwing around baseless ad-hominems... which CCP employee are you?
yeah why the fuss of exiting and entering this thread with my other chars??
ITs more fun this way! :D ----------------------------------------------- "I do not belive in reicarnation... I didn't believed in it in my previous lives either..."
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