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Denuo Secus
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Posted - 2008.10.13 18:26:00 -
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Just forget that price tag for a moment...
It's a high damage, heavily tanked BS with very (very) valuable tool slots! Only it's low sensor strength should be compensated by fitting. But this power combined with flexibility could be a real benefit in very small fleet pvp (2-4 members) imo. Maybe it's worth the price?
Any experiences here?
Thanks, Secus
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Lady Aja
Caldari Creative Destruction Pupule 'Ohana
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Posted - 2008.10.13 18:29:00 -
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Edited by: Lady Aja on 13/10/2008 18:28:53 when you get jammed by 5 light ECM drones and spend all of next year trying to lock one of them down and get jammed by them again shortly after.. youre gonna die eventually.
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Varus Riaz
Gallente Sarissa Defense Group
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Posted - 2008.10.13 18:38:00 -
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My only experience is getting ripped up by a Paladin a few times when I was doing roaming nano gangs in Tribute. The thing really ripped up my gang in quick order.
It's not something that I'd fly in pvp, but it obviously can be useful. Downside is that you're usually going to be the number 1 target for enemy ecm and flying one wil draw a lot of attention.
If you have isk to burn and like the thrill of flying around in insanely expensive stuff, then I don't see the problem of using one.
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Le Fugly
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Posted - 2008.10.13 18:40:00 -
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Need to use up a mid on racial ECCM if you want to shoot. On the other hand, in RR gangs something like a Kronos makes for a good sucker ship.
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Liang Nuren
No Salvation
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Posted - 2008.10.13 18:41:00 -
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I'd consider using the Vargur vs nano gangs, but the Mach does the same job almost as well.
-Liang --
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royal killer
Amarr Shadows Of The Federation
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Posted - 2008.10.13 18:43:00 -
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I've flown the Paladin a lot on the test server quite a bit, and one racial ECCM can do miracles, only had slight problems once when I had 10x hornet ec-300's on me, got away a fiew times with falcons and stuff
Or i'm just lucky as hell --------------------
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Derek Sigres
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Posted - 2008.10.13 18:53:00 -
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Originally by: Lady Aja Edited by: Lady Aja on 13/10/2008 18:28:53 when you get jammed by 5 light ECM drones and spend all of next year trying to lock one of them down and get jammed by them again shortly after.. youre gonna die eventually.
Well, really the Marauders are well suited to shrug off drones of all types. Afterall, they only carry weapons in four of the 8 high slots. One can simply insert a smart bomb and quickly clear the local sky of hostile drones. That doens't solve the problem of ECM ships of course, and the Marauder's don't get much benefit from using ECCM thanks to their low native sensor strength.
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sziluett
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Posted - 2008.10.13 20:08:00 -
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marauders are decent in pvp. they are really good at bursting down squishies like bright wizards but suffer against tanks and kiting
OOPS WRONG GAME
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Derek Sigres
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Posted - 2008.10.13 20:09:00 -
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Originally by: sziluett marauders are decent in pvp. they are really good at bursting down squishies like bright wizards but suffer against tanks and kiting
OOPS WRONG GAME
Bah - all the melee DPS guys fall to the tanks. If they didn't tanks would be useless
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Terianna Eri
Amarr Scrutari
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Posted - 2008.10.13 23:26:00 -
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Originally by: Derek Sigres
Originally by: Lady Aja Edited by: Lady Aja on 13/10/2008 18:28:53 when you get jammed by 5 light ECM drones and spend all of next year trying to lock one of them down and get jammed by them again shortly after.. youre gonna die eventually.
Well, really the Marauders are well suited to shrug off drones of all types. Afterall, they only carry weapons in four of the 8 high slots. One can simply insert a smart bomb and quickly clear the local sky of hostile drones. That doens't solve the problem of ECM ships of course, and the Marauder's don't get much benefit from using ECCM thanks to their low native sensor strength.
Only 7 highs, IIRC. But when we have established that even high-natural sensor strength BS with ECCM will end up jammed like 40% of the time, you have to question how effective a single ECCM will be on a marauder. __________________________________
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Bartom Dekkar
Nebula Rasa Holdings Nebula Rasa
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Posted - 2008.10.14 00:16:00 -
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Originally by: Terianna Eri
But when we have established that even high-natural sensor strength BS with ECCM will end up jammed like 40% of the time, you have to question how effective a single ECCM will be on a marauder.
I guess if you consider using all a Falcon's ecm to jam a ECCM BS 40% or more of the time as what has been established, then what is the problem? The Falcon is busy, the rest of your gang can deal with it. They countered one ship with one ship.
Marauders can usually spare a mid slot for ECCM, but that only brings them up to par with a normal BS, and a second ECCM is not as effective due to stacking. So yes, they are vulnerable this way.
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Waga
Infinite Improbability Inc Mostly Harmless
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Posted - 2008.10.15 11:42:00 -
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Iv only used my for Solo pvp.. and it rocks :)
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Bellum Eternus
Gallente Death of Virtue
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Posted - 2008.10.15 11:53:00 -
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I've probably podded more targets with my Kronos than all other Marauder pilots combined. I like it. It's going to be the only viable blaster ship after the patch (the only one with a working web).
If you lose to ECM drones, you're doing it wrong. If you lose to normal ECM, you're also doing it wrong. Where's your Falcon alt?
ECCM is worthless on a normal BS, and doubly so on a Marauder. The Kronos, while being a horrible HORRIBLE missioning ship, is a fairly decent blaster boat. The Golem is just sick. The Paladin doubly so. The Vargur is awesome at killing support from 45+km away with AC800s.
I find it funny that CCP tries to make a good mission ship and fails horribly, and despite their best efforts, players can still make use of them as PVP boats.
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Denuo Secus
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Posted - 2008.10.15 12:00:00 -
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Originally by: Bellum Eternus ....The Golem is just sick...
Sick good or sick really bad? ^^ Indeed I had the Golem in mind while asking this question! Maybe the Paladin also...
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Huggiez
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Posted - 2008.10.15 12:03:00 -
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Originally by: Bellum Eternus
I find it funny that CCP tries to make a good mission ship and fails horribly, and despite their best efforts, players can still make use of them as PVP boats.
Fail horribly? The Golem is the best thing happened to me considering doing missions. Sitting @ one spot tractoring everything from 40km is sweet. And the alpha is awesome with torpz, need i say more.
Ok, a marauder is lost to ECM drones, but how many people use them...at least I do see them that much
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LadyLubU2
Caldari Science and Trade Institute
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Posted - 2008.10.15 12:04:00 -
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You know, i remember people coming to the forums when the new t2 bs (maurader) stats where available, whining about the paladin definately being the worst of them all because the crappy bonuses... -- Sig:
NARF FALCONS!!!
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Asestorian
Federation of Freedom Fighters Executive Outcomes
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Posted - 2008.10.15 12:12:00 -
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Originally by: LadyLubU2 You know, i remember people coming to the forums when the new t2 bs (maurader) stats where available, whining about the paladin definately being the worst of them all because the crappy bonuses...
Yes, well. We all know how clever the collective forum mind is when it comes to things that are on the test server, don't we.
(Ridiculously stupid if you were wondering)
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Ishina Fel
Caldari Synergy. Imperial Republic Of the North
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Posted - 2008.10.15 12:17:00 -
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Originally by: LadyLubU2 You know, i remember people coming to the forums when the new t2 bs (maurader) stats where available, whining about the paladin definately being the worst of them all because the crappy bonuses...
Yes.
And then CCP changed one of the Paladin's bonuses (tracking became damage).
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The Djego
Minmatar merovinger inc
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Posted - 2008.10.15 15:13:00 -
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Originally by: Denuo Secus
Originally by: Bellum Eternus ....The Golem is just sick...
Sick good or sick really bad? ^^ Indeed I had the Golem in mind while asking this question! Maybe the Paladin also...
Sick good. Seen multiply Golems in PVP so far, they hit hard, have a good range and usaly tank very well, throw in some Faction Mods and your tank will be mutch better than ATs while even needing less Cap. HavenŠt seen Kronos, Vagur or Paladin in PVP so far(live) should tell something...
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SwindonBadger
0utbreak
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Posted - 2008.10.15 15:22:00 -
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one 20 mil well setup kitsue (spelling ) or even a Black Bird will perma jam 3 to 4 marauders... I was testing the kitsue on test server for a whole day and they where getting upset with me (even though id wait for people to agro me before jamming). If ur not facing jamming they are very powerfull.
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Megan Maynard
Minmatar Out of Order
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Posted - 2008.10.15 17:00:00 -
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Originally by: SwindonBadger one 20 mil well setup kitsue (spelling ) or even a Black Bird will perma jam 3 to 4 marauders... I was testing the kitsue on test server for a whole day and they where getting upset with me (even though id wait for people to agro me before jamming). If ur not facing jamming they are very powerfull.
EXCEPT the vargur, out performed in every way by a phoon or mael.
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Greckor Monmouth
THE FINAL STAND
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Posted - 2008.10.15 18:02:00 -
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they make excellent bait ships as well, since they can tank very well. If you can afford them, then there are uses for them in PvP, but if you are thinking about it, but dont have a lot of money...dont yet, keep with the reg BS's.
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Fon Revedhort
Aeria Gloris Inc Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2008.10.15 18:33:00 -
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Originally by: Bellum Eternus
ECCM is worthless on a normal BS, and doubly so on a Marauder.
It is not.
Abaddon has 49 sensor strength with a single ECCM overloaded. Worked fine for me all the times I encountered falcons.
And no, I do not expect the damn thing won't jam me after fitting one. ---
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Chainsaw Plankton
IDLE GUNS IDLE EMPIRE
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Posted - 2008.10.15 18:35:00 -
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Originally by: Lady Aja Edited by: Lady Aja on 13/10/2008 18:28:53 when you get jammed by 5 light ECM drones and spend all of next year trying to lock one of them down and get jammed by them again shortly after.. youre gonna die eventually.
3 utility highs + low sensor strength and you didn't fit a smartbomb?
in a dual eccmed apoc I had problems with ecm drones, chanced based mechanics can be interesting
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Bellum Eternus
Gallente Death of Virtue
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Posted - 2008.10.16 21:07:00 -
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Originally by: Denuo Secus
Originally by: Bellum Eternus ....The Golem is just sick...
Sick good or sick really bad? ^^ Indeed I had the Golem in mind while asking this question! Maybe the Paladin also...
Sick as in good.
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