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Vtreka
Gallente eXceed Inc.
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Posted - 2008.10.14 00:49:00 -
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Originally by: Master Spoonman Well CCP, **** you too. I've heard you guys are even holding off on raises for your staff, too. How greedy can you guys get? How is your income even affected by the Icelandic market crash? You get paid in Euro/USD!
Ummm you do realise the whole WORLD's markets crashed right?
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Snarker
Caldari Dragon's Rage Intrepid Crossing
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Posted - 2008.10.14 00:49:00 -
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Edited by: Snarker on 14/10/2008 00:50:55 Clever, they lock the old thread and switch to a new one, so the second one doesn't get as big. BTW, the dev blog was crap, it never stated anything. EDIT I also like how the entire devblog is based off of the assumption that is refuted by their own knowledge base (That is was a bug). ----------------------------------------
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Lord Saradomin
Gallente The Vorlon Empire Skunk-Works
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Posted - 2008.10.14 00:49:00 -
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It's me! I'm in this thread look at me!!!
As for the serious internet spaceships....bad idea but meh what can ya do!
I'm sure someone will find a way around the whole playing for free thing...wait i knows the answer! My Account > Subscription Details > Update Subscription...damnit....that's using my money!!!
Emoragequitloldongs!!!!
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Lockefox
Caldari Darkmatter Conglomerate Abyss Alliance
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Posted - 2008.10.14 00:49:00 -
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I will be reposting seeing as the other thread is locked and this is an important issue.
I personally have never thrown a fit over any patch, nerf or boost. I have been affected by just about all of them at this point, reaching my 3rd year in eve come December. I usually am the first one to laugh about these posts of "I QUIT" but today I have to raise my voice.
This change represents a monumental shift in what makes EVE different and (IMO) better than any MMO on the market. As a friend of mine once described EVE, "EVE knows that it's not the very greatest game out there, but it's loyal and will be waiting for you when you return."
The argument posted that it provides imbalance between high SP and low SP characters is wrong. The pure simple fact of the matter is you do it when you need to. Gotta get Battleship 5 or Adv Spaceship Command 5 (or any other capital skill in this example), go do something else for the month+ that each of those skills are going to take. Is CCP going to come down and "balance" out this by changing skill ranks? Of course not... No change has ever come against the core of the skill system. Yes, there have been things to make it easier to read or easier to use, but never has any character's SP been manhandled.
So, with the removal of "Ghosting" I am willing to bet that those at the top will keep growing (seeing as there isn't much left to train at the top) and the middle and lower players will lose interest in long term goals such as capital ships and command ships.
I believe that this change will not only hurt subscriber numbers, I think it will further imbalance the game.
But, to all of those who are screaming "I quit" or "-x subs" (as I am considering with you), speak with your wallet and check book. Show your opinion with action.
~Locke
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Julius Jul
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Posted - 2008.10.14 00:50:00 -
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Quote: Skills continue training even if you are logged off or if your account is inactive (in the second scenario you can't change skill training, though
this is for me clear toughts "or if your account is inactive (in the second scenario you can't change skill training, though" - if the account is not active, thats mean youre paying not for it, then you cannot switching skills, you must first paying (subscribing) for it, then you can handle all the things you can do it.
if you are paying an account then the account is always active, olso if youre whith this is offline the account is always active, the skilling is always contining skilling and can be controlled whith tools anyway.
only if an account is deactivated, that is NOT PAYING for it, then is that an GHOST situation, but many people want not to pay but the skills still training - and that is now come to end.
simple for me to understanding this - why is it so difficult for many people for reading and understanding it ?
If youre not paying for an tickit for transportation for an vacation then youre olso not going to there, how many times you have taking that trip its always paying first and then you can go, if not you dont go - simple as easaly understanding that.
Julius
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Sarin Adler
Caldari Dark Shadow Cartel
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Posted - 2008.10.14 00:50:00 -
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Originally by: The Ubernomicon We should get BoB, NC and GS together and see how many times in a row we can crash Jita. Or better yet, just fill Jita with AFK players and not allow anyone else to enter the system.
/signed. Riot!
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Maddzy
Hematite Rose Bionic Dawn
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Posted - 2008.10.14 00:50:00 -
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A mistake in my opinion. Whenever I tell non-Eve players about Eve I always mention the fact that you can progress those long skills when your account is inactive, and they have always been impressed. This was one of the finer and original aspects to Eve that differed it from other money hungry MMOs. This will be a real lose to the player base.
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ttocszed00
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Posted - 2008.10.14 00:52:00 -
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/ RIOT!!! goooo
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Revolution Rising
Venture Research and Resources New MagnaDyne Enterprises
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Posted - 2008.10.14 00:52:00 -
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Edited by: Revolution Rising on 14/10/2008 00:55:01 I think this is disgusting.
- My drones don't all attack one target even when they are set to.
- My ui randomly repositions all my windows on the screen at seemingly random intervals.
- When I hit enter in a chat window at times it newlines instead of carriage-returns.
- STILL everyone is being lagged out in fleet battles on your old badly need of an upgrade servers. And god knows 300,000 x $18 is a nice monthly fee to be getting - and certainly buys a lot of XEONS.
There are a thousand errors in this game that you aren't fixing. But you choose the one thing that gives you more money each month, and try to sell it off as "good for the community".
VRR Recruitment
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Idara
Caldari Failure Corp
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Posted - 2008.10.14 00:52:00 -
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You'd think they'd of learned after the carrier uprising than to pull bullshit on us. --- Failure Corp [FAILD] - Failing to fail first
in EVE - Idara |
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DeODokktor
Dark Templars The Fonz Presidium
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Posted - 2008.10.14 00:53:00 -
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Originally by: wide
Quote: Now a single customer that doesn't log into the servers may not weigh heavily on our database infrastructure, just as a single snowflake isn't that heavy, hardly a measurable quantity. But it's hard not to notice an avalanche if it hits you. And that's what was starting to happen in our database.
Is it just me or is this argument completely lacking in logic?
Excuses need not be Logical.. They just need to sound like a good excuse.... They make it sound like they are going to pull everything out of the database when you quit, but instead they are just telling us lies....
I would welcome a DEV to tell me that it's the TRUTH and not a LIE...
I expect no reply..
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Bonefish O'Hallahan
GoonFleet
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Posted - 2008.10.14 00:53:00 -
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Avon
Caldari Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2008.10.14 00:54:00 -
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Originally by: The Ubernomicon We should get BoB, NC and GS together and see how many times in a row we can crash Jita. Or better yet, just fill Jita with AFK players and not allow anyone else to enter the system.
Stupid suggestions like that really don't help, do they?
This is far more likely to be a "need" issue than a "greed" issue, but CCP can hardly turn around and say so if that is the case.
Look, they are handling this badly, but the change in itself isn't a bad one. Expecting people to pay for what they get is fair enough.
Sure I am ribbing CCP here, but don't confuse that with malicious intent.
Eve-Online: The Text Adventure |
Danny Centurai
hirr Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2008.10.14 00:54:00 -
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CCP hits self wrecking for omgwtf damage!
Mine will be the fail with a side order of fail, thankyou very much!
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Malcanis
RuffRyders Axiom Empire
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Posted - 2008.10.14 00:54:00 -
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Originally by: Danny Centurai
Originally by: Daevien Steiner Just how many ways can you prove in one year that you have no idea about your game anymore & **** off your customers? Are you trying to beat Sony's record with NGE?
^ This!
Only one issue 99% of player base will never get to read this thread and will only moan when they realise it dnt work!
The forums are going to go beserk on the 16th...
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CowsCANBark
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Posted - 2008.10.14 00:54:00 -
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Lyria Skydancer
Amarr Developmental Neogenics Amalgamated
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Posted - 2008.10.14 00:54:00 -
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If I had a nickle for every fake "I quit because of this [insert change]" I'd be rich. ----------------------------------------- [Video] Support Barrage |
BiaXia
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Posted - 2008.10.14 00:55:00 -
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welp, there goes any chance of me to getting around to making some alts. It's a damn shame, too, CCP, I was just getting around to having some fun, I would have been willing to take a bigger cut out of my already meager college student budget just to play around with internet spaceships some more. Oh well, your loss more than mine.
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Cueball Mcfuzz
Groon Research
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Posted - 2008.10.14 00:55:00 -
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Originally by: Lyria Skydancer If I had a nickle for every fake "I quit because of this [insert change]" I'd be rich.
They're hitting me in the wallet while failing to improve massive real errors in the game.
I mean it this time.
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Neo Triton
Amarr Unamed Mofos
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Posted - 2008.10.14 00:55:00 -
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just cause your economy is ****ed, dont try and make us pay more
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Cosy Ceaon
Gallente Aliastra
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Posted - 2008.10.14 00:55:00 -
[381]
is all about money
is a bug is a bug a buuuuuuuuuuuuug |
Shinma Apollo
The Graduates Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2008.10.14 00:55:00 -
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Yeah, this pretty much guarantees that the nanonerf will pretty much kill Eve.
"So, Nanos are nerfed, who wants to dog**** around for 90 days doing BS V and Large Weapon V?"
"I hear Jumpgate starts in Q1...Hmm, November, December Janu...*cancels account*"
On a realistic note, you're essentially stating that SPs are tantamount to money, which in reality, people on inactive/expired account only take up storage space, and do not contribute to bandwidth consumptions, do not benefit from patches or expansions, nor any other benefits. Your reasoning is fallacious and foolhardy. Unless you are telling us that calculating a very basic formula, and what amounts to less than a mb of space is worth 15$ a month, then I think you owe the community at large a more thorough explanation, or face our collective displeasure.
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Rramar Claime
Amarr Task Force Zener Atlas Alliance
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Posted - 2008.10.14 00:56:00 -
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Originally by: Master Spoonman Well CCP, **** you too. I've heard you guys are even holding off on raises for your staff, too. How greedy can you guys get? How is your income even affected by the Icelandic market crash? You get paid in Euro/USD!
At least be honest with the players about your greedy ways: you're just trying to force users to pay you extra money by turning this game "feature" into a "bug" and making them resubscribe when they normally would not.
I suppose I'm wasting my time typing this as it's doubtful any of you care about what your subscribers say if it isn't putting money in your pocket.
This.
It's not even about being able to have an inactive training alt, it's how ccp handles its own community. You just s**k donkey ass. And dont forget, this is the same what you can expect from your ex community.
Did you know that in average a satisfied customer tells his experience about a product to 3 people while an unsatisfied tells it to 20? Wow this was the first thing they taught at the uni, wonder how your marketing division handles these amazing and wise decisions.
"I cherish the memories of a question my grandson asked me the other day, when he said; 'Grandpa, were you a hero in the war?' Grandpa said, 'No, but I served in a company of heroes." |
Leaningj
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Posted - 2008.10.14 00:56:00 -
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-1 account for sure maybe 2. I'm canceling my Everquest subscription too many nerfs and changes that ... Wait this isn't SOE it's CCP. Well same crap different name.
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KeratinBoy
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.10.14 00:56:00 -
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Dear CCP,
Why do you never learn? Everyone makes mistakes. Hopefully they learn from them and manage to avoid making them same mistakes again. CCP's ability to interact with its playerbase, on the other hand....
That blog was cackhanded lies. Since I have played this game, we have had many incidents, all of which you have mishandled. You display no learning process. You lie - cf, T20 cover up and this blog you just put out. A much touted game mechanic has been discovered to be a bug after 5 years? What next, a reworking of the billboard code?
Don't get me wrong, I fully support your right to **** customers and hard won respect away. On the other hand, I do not support the lies. Why do you lie and continue to lie? Is it because you have no spine? Is Iceland a place where deceit is routinely lauded?
Additionally, what recent trend do you speak of exactly? On average, how old are the accounts lapsing? Can you look at their skills or subscription history? Do they regularly take advantage of the advertised game mechanic? Are any of them annoyed by the speed nerf and have merely decided to stop playing? (I can personally think of 2 who have done just this) Or do your logs not reflect this?
I would like to know what direction you are taking this game in. Preferably with some sort of relatively advanced warning, like this silliness doesn't. What other trends have you noticed that need action - is one of them increased customer dissatisfaction?
As makers of a luxury item, I understand that you are in a limited market, especially in the current economic climate. Presumably, some of that avalanche that you have noticed is a consequence of your customers in equal straits. It is not the time to grub for money, though. It is the time for reassurance, to let customers know that you appreciate their custom.
"We game the system. We figure out how to maximize our returns." is a horrendous thing to write. Now it was written as being from a players point of view but it does not come across that way. I know a few people that play Eve in real life and more than a few through Eve itself. Not a single one of them responds to "Hey, have you seen the new CCP announcement?" with anything other than "What have they ****ed up now?" these days.
Stop lying, stop changing things on whim and stop panicking. When was the last time you saw anyone make a good decision when panicking?
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Leila Cross
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Posted - 2008.10.14 00:56:00 -
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Edited by: Leila Cross on 14/10/2008 00:56:50
Quote: Skills continue training even if you are logged off or if your account is inactive
This is a quoted feature from your own player guide. Hardly a bug when you tout it as one of the benefits to playing EvE over other MMO's.
CCP, right about now you should be working very carefully on your next release regarding this change. A crisis management professional would tell you, straight up, you need to admit you misspoke, acknowledge that your actions negatively affect a large number of your customers, and do something very big to reverse the loss of trust and confidence of those customers.
I would suggest you start by implementing a two-skill que that is available only to paid subscribers. |
Jinx Barker
GFB Scientific
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Posted - 2008.10.14 00:57:00 -
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Edited by: Jinx Barker on 14/10/2008 00:59:48
I'll just try to post this as much as I can till CCP explains to us the so-called "bug"
Originally by: Mongo Loid Unintended? Bullshit:
http://www.eve-online.com/guide/en/g615.asp
It's listed as a feature in the original player's guide.
Originally by: Jinx Barker
I thought I would show an actual picture of the FEATURE they boasted of themselves for years: Skills Guide to EVE Online: By CCP - Note the underline.
<<Click The Siggy For the Blog>>
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Deggins
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Posted - 2008.10.14 00:57:00 -
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Originally by: Lyria Skydancer If I had a nickle for every fake "I quit because of this [insert change]" I'd be rich.
And if you had $18 for every real "I quit because of this [insert change]", you'd be significantly more rich. |
Ghost Reaper
Evolution Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2008.10.14 00:57:00 -
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dont try and get more money out of us, u legitimised the buying of isk though GTC to 'help players who cant pay' and to also help yourself to a lot more money. Its a slippery slope
if ur taking this out, give us something new like skill quening, or multi training
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Delvardious Kaesos
Caldari Ashen Lion Mining and Production Consortium Axiom Empire
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Posted - 2008.10.14 00:57:00 -
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This is exactly the type of scenario that signed the death of Star Wars Galaxies. They launch an expansion(Trials of Obi-Wan, or in this case "The Power of Two" in order to allow players to purchase second accounts for a reduced price) and then several days later you get the "Oh hey we're releasing something that completely negates and ruins the expansion/event we planned earlier so thanks for your money, oh you're quitting well that's because it'll be more EVE than before!".
Read up on the NGE in Star Wars Galaxies and read how incidents like this can ruin games CCP. ---------------------------------------- Today's Empires, Tomorrow's Ashes.
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