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GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.10.16 03:18:00 -
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It's only fair to make it so that trial accounts also can't train any skills. After all, they're not paying to play the game! |
StealthGerbils
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Posted - 2008.10.16 03:19:00 -
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First and foremost, I think that it is a bad idea to remove ghost training. It gives people incentives to return to the game and it makes training extremely long skills less tedious
That said, I know that the devs are going to make skills keep training for 3 days. While they are kind enough to make it so that your account lapsing for a day or two isn't harmful, they are neglecting one of the main reasons why people come back to eve.
We all know that people get burnt out of MMOs, especially when new ones come out. One of the main reasons people come back to eve is because they know that their character just finished an awesome skill that they left it on. Removing ghost training is going to kill this.
That said, I can see exactly why CCP wants to remove it. It isn't fair that a character can train the titan skill to V while inactive. That is around 75 days of training that they are losing out on money. It also allows people to make crazy characters and just sell them for isk because they trained all of the long skills while inactive.
I believe that there needs to be a balance.
Why not allow skills to ghost train for 2 weeks after an account goes inactive. That gives players the ability to set a skill that they would enjoy coming back to and would keep the joy of getting a 'gift' when you reactive your account. However, 14 days isn't really that long in terms of skill training. It wouldn't make anything unbalanced, because what is 14 days out of a 40 day skil, much less out of a 75 day skill?
It would allow players to set a rank 2 or 3 skill to V and come back with it trained. It would keep the positive reinforcement that will make a player return to the game but it wouldn't make it unbalanced to the point that people are training up characters while mostly being inactive. |
Jaxxon Voers
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Posted - 2008.10.16 03:28:00 -
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I still find it kinda amusing that not only is this thread still 'vanished' more than 24 hours after Wrangler posted that they were actively working to get it fixed, (We all knew you didnt really mean it Wrangler) but the server graph that shows how many people are online compared to last week is disabled on the front page as well.
Nothing to see here, move along, indeed.
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Battlecheese
Caldari Genbuku. Daisho Syndicate
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Posted - 2008.10.16 03:28:00 -
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Originally by: StealthGerbils ....it makes training extremely long skills less tedious.
If you lack the mental strength to stick it out, you may find WOW more to your liking. |
una keenan
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Posted - 2008.10.16 03:28:00 -
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this is the end of Eve for me... CCP this is a very wrong decision. Specially telling us its a "BUG". |
Syrdione
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Posted - 2008.10.16 03:29:00 -
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Just saw the thread... bah...bad move...bad move... Good luck CCP. You'll have a big problem ( BIG, VERY BIG ) with your subs. |
Mr Patches
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Posted - 2008.10.16 03:41:00 -
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In all honesty I'm surprised and disappointed there hasn't been more feedback from CCP in this thread.
/shrugs and gets some scotch. |
Roland San
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Posted - 2008.10.16 03:42:00 -
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I would like to say I ghost trained. I used it as the feature it was stated to be.
Why?
Because it gave me the flexibility to plan eve around my real life, not the other way round.
From where I am in the world, the previous 90-day GTCs was fairly expensive, given the exchange rates and all. At the end of that 90 days, I'd train a long skill, take time off to recover from eve burnout, and be drawn back by the prospect of a fully trained new skill which would open new doors for me in the game.
I can't stay subbed constantly. I need the time away; it keeps the game fresh for me, and the amount of time and money I can allocate to this cannot increase. Without the carrot of a new skill awaiting my return (which usually pretty much happens almost immediately after that skill has been completed) it'll only make it harder to come back. With ghost training, CCP would at least be assured of getting 3x 90 day, or 4x 60 day subscriptions from me, given a month in between each extension. Now the carrot is gone, I really do not know what I'm going to do when this account (which was extended only a week ago) expires. I certainly won't throw all I've done here away, but the will to do more is getting pretty weak. |
James Marshalll
Gallente
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Posted - 2008.10.16 04:00:00 -
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Originally by: Battlecheese
Originally by: StealthGerbils ....it makes training extremely long skills less tedious.
If you lack the mental strength to stick it out, you may find WOW more to your liking.
for someone who is so happy with the game, you sure spend a lot of time here insulting people who are giving feedback in a non "emorage" way. Does CCP pay you for every lick of their johnson, or just the first 1 or 2? |
Seth Ruin
Minmatar Ominous Corp Ethereal Dawn
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Posted - 2008.10.16 04:06:00 -
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Originally by: StealthGerbils ....it makes training extremely long skills less tedious.
I honestly wouldn't mind a boost to skill training... Might help new players catch up to older ones even, as they seem so keen to want to do. |
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Battlecheese
Caldari Genbuku. Daisho Syndicate
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Posted - 2008.10.16 04:09:00 -
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Edited by: Battlecheese on 16/10/2008 04:09:42
Originally by: James Marshalll for someone who is so happy with the game, you sure spend a lot of time here insulting people who are giving feedback in a non "emorage" way.
What can I say? Work is slow this afternoon.
... And he/she/it was whining about skill training times, which are sort of the point of EVE. If the game isn't enjoyable _now_, I doubt it'll suddenly become cool just because the pixels you can fly change a bit.
Edit: profanity filter... |
Ms Yipman
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Posted - 2008.10.16 04:27:00 -
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Edited by: Ms Yipman on 16/10/2008 04:33:50 Edited by: Ms Yipman on 16/10/2008 04:29:30 Hey EvE's awesome I respect there decisions 99%. I mean how many farmers we got? and I know they would milk this oppurtunity. It would have been nice though if they would stop training 48 or 72 hours after expiration in the case I was on vacation for a weekend and forgot to renew.
But hey it ain't going to stop me from gaming EvE.
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Ezoran DuBlaidd
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Posted - 2008.10.16 04:34:00 -
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Originally by: Battlecheese
Originally by: StealthGerbils ....it makes training extremely long skills less tedious.
If you lack the mental strength to stick it out, you may find WOW more to your liking.
and for those of us with 4+ accounts, who, on average, are paying the equivalent of 3-6 *normal annual* amounts of money for all those accounts... would we have to say to you that you lack the mental strength to play that many characters?
like i said... someone is not good at maths. but we knew that when they made those idiotic GTC changes. |
Ezoran DuBlaidd
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Posted - 2008.10.16 04:36:00 -
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Originally by: Ms Yipman Edited by: Ms Yipman on 16/10/2008 04:33:50 Edited by: Ms Yipman on 16/10/2008 04:29:30 Hey EvE's awesome I respect there decisions 99%. I mean how many farmers we got? and I know they would milk this oppurtunity. It would have been nice though if they would stop training 48 or 72 hours after expiration in the case I was on vacation for a weekend and forgot to renew.
But hey it ain't going to stop me from gaming EvE.
i don't know, how many farmers are there compared to how many people who play multiple accounts?
do you happen to have those numbers?
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Nate D
Hell's Rejects
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Posted - 2008.10.16 04:38:00 -
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Punish noobs NOT Geezers! |
Zinnn
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Posted - 2008.10.16 04:47:00 -
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How about punishing those people who are just going from one trial account to another with the same IP, moving their assets over and over again, until they can afford timecards, etc? They're not making any cash for CCP and are a complete leech on the system. IF YOU WANT TO PLAY THE GAME, PAY FOR IT.. All I"m asking for is some consistency. You want to be a badass about this decision, that's fine but be consistent. You want to remove leechers, there's your prime leachers. I've talked to .. well... probably 2 or more, if I see at least 2 people that do this tactic, obviously more people are doing it. I'm just saying if you want to screw people, you might as well screw the prime targets - ones who don't pay and just use up accounts and discard them, leaving their crap in space to pick up with the other account, OR dumping them on the market in some sort of transaction. It's been done, so fix it CCP... Be consistent. |
Ezoran DuBlaidd
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Posted - 2008.10.16 04:47:00 -
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Originally by: Corrock I can see why, if you were taking advantage of this "feature" you'd be ****ed, but there are a lot of people with more than one active account who pay continuously, myself included, so why should some people get to train for free?
because some people pay for a lot more accounts than you do? and, including the ghosting, they annually pay more money than you?
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Erimisha
Minmatar
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Posted - 2008.10.16 05:18:00 -
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-Ghost RPs -Ghost Sales -Ghost CEOs -Ghost Manufacturing |
Holy Cheater
Brute Force Unlimited
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Posted - 2008.10.16 05:26:00 -
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Originally by: Erimisha -Ghost RPs -Ghost Sales -Ghost CEOs -Ghost Manufacturing
-Ninja hunting |
Bigeasy
Caldari It's A Trap
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Posted - 2008.10.16 05:42:00 -
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>.> <.<
Is this thread still invisible?
Ghost Training: Play the game...without actually playing the game. |
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RayGic Luke
Caldari Oresome Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2008.10.16 05:42:00 -
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Where is CCP Oveur? Why is he not making a statement on this matter or are they waiting for CCP Hellmar(CEO) to step in after all the unsubscribing have taken place? |
Keter 325
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Posted - 2008.10.16 05:50:00 -
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I just find it hell-arious that, what was once a "selling point" of the game that cast it unique among any other MMO is now a "bug" that is costing CCP money and should be cured like it is some sort of disease. What other selling points will be nerfed in the future CCP? Maybe we shouldn't really have 3 toons per account and therefore have to pay 3x the amount that we are paying right now to pop a cyno; that seems like a bug to me. Ut oh, I think that I just gave them an idea. |
Velda Chulai
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Posted - 2008.10.16 05:53:00 -
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There's no other kind of rage but emo rage. |
Lady Amnesia
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Posted - 2008.10.16 06:08:00 -
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Edited by: Lady Amnesia on 16/10/2008 06:09:55 why don't you CCP say, "We need more money for new expansion(or station things.. and etc) and our new game"? if you said that way, i would paid my five account's fee gladly..
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Leica Stroganow
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Posted - 2008.10.16 06:14:00 -
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Edited by: Leica Stroganow on 16/10/2008 06:14:15
Originally by: Battlecheese
Originally by: StealthGerbils ....it makes training extremely long skills less tedious.
If you lack the mental strength to stick it out, you may find WOW more to your liking.
You deserve afew more bugs mate !!! |
Truthbringer
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Posted - 2008.10.16 06:21:00 -
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I normally take breaks from the game and the fact that my characters are still training is one of the major factors that brings me back. Now that this will no longer be the case, expect my next sabbatical to be permanent. This was a VERY poor marketing decision. You should expect to see your active accounts trickle off in the next few months. |
Nakimoto
Caldari Unnatural Growth
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Posted - 2008.10.16 06:30:00 -
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OMFG welcome to the big sand box in the sky equal for everyone. Some pay to sit and train some do not. Advantage to the bums. Make a sign sit on the freeway off ramp. Suggested wording "spare change for alt account" Obviously abuse of a feature gets nerfed in EVE. This should be no shock to anyone. Have fun back in WOW where you have to pay and play to lvl.
IF leaving please place all your goods in open public contracts for 1 isk thanks |
Qel Hoth
Infusion. G00DFELLAS
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Posted - 2008.10.16 06:34:00 -
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Hmm... Seems odd to me that the guide got nerfed almost immediately about this, but it still says
"when using Jump Clones, do NOT jump from the station where you already have a clone with implants. This is because you would leave your former body there and, as you can only have one clone per station, your oldest clone would be deleted with all its implants."
This was changed in a patch about a month ago, wasn't it?
I don't have a problem with CCP killing ghost training. What I have a problem is is them says for 5 years that it is a "feature" and then doing an about-face and claiming it's a "bug."
I would guess that most people don't like being lied to, so unless CCP decides to either reverse or more preferably, apologize and give a correct reason for the change, I will likely be canceling my account. This isn't because I'm emonerdraging, but rather because I refuse to willfully give my money to a company that doesn't care about good business practices.
How would you feel in this situation: you bought meat from a supermarket and when you got home to cook it, realized that it expired last week. Upon taking it back to the store and asking for a refund or exchange, as the product was obviously expired when you bought it, they said "f*** you, we just want your money" and refuse. Would you continue to buy from this store provided there were other options available? I would not, and therefore am likely canceling my subscription. |
Andrua
Leprosorium
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Posted - 2008.10.16 06:38:00 -
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It seems that EVE and it's management have just hit an important milestone.
They stopped considering their playerbase.
The bullshit was fed. The change was implemented and driven past any resemblance of common sense, and player reaction on that matter was completely and utterly ignored.
We failed too - EVE community was always listened to and now when those times are gone, not much were actually realising that they are on a verge of new EVE, the one that players can either play as it is or GTFO. We were unprepared, we let this slide and got royally screwed. And will be screwed from now on - because EVE management now knows that it CAN screw its playerbase and nothing will happen.
So, welcome to the last epoch of EVE online. Gods themselves, they do not know where it will go from here. |
Perussi Slicis
Heavy Heavy Industries
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Posted - 2008.10.16 06:41:00 -
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Edited by: Perussi Slicis on 16/10/2008 06:48:41 Ccp, dont fu*king lie to us. Its not a bug, the icelandic economy has went to sh*t and you just need money. Come clean do not beat around the hedges. 130 pages of complaining and you still follow through with it. Your not making more money. Your hurting your player base.
Be smart, don't screw your self over.
Don't bring us in with a fancy deal, then screw us over, Please. Bring it back, dont BS us. |
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