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Ramund
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Posted - 2008.10.16 06:50:00 -
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I cant stand when people say CCP has to lower the training times becuse of this change. Your playing the game, your not playing the game just to log in and see your skill finished. Dont do Battleship V or Titan V if you dont want to, noone is forcing you.
I like this change, and it should have been done a long time ago. Im not sure why it was placed ingame to begin with. |
Ezoran DuBlaidd
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Posted - 2008.10.16 06:59:00 -
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Originally by: Ramund I cant stand when people say CCP has to lower the training times becuse of this change. Your playing the game, your not playing the game just to log in and see your skill finished. Dont do Battleship V or Titan V if you dont want to, noone is forcing you.
I like this change, and it should have been done a long time ago. Im not sure why it was placed ingame to begin with.
i like it too.
now, instead of paying the equivalent of 4 game years per year (for various accounts), folks are only paying for 1 game year per year now.
so nerd rage on in your unrighteous indignation. come the new year, someone will realize their mistake when all those alt accounts just keep not re-subbing.
how many accounts are you supporting ccp with? cuz your vote probably is only worth that few (or one), same with your opinion i'm betting. |
Ezoran DuBlaidd
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Posted - 2008.10.16 07:00:00 -
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Originally by: Andrua It seems that EVE and it's management have just hit an important milestone.
They stopped considering their playerbase.
The bullshit was fed. The change was implemented and driven past any resemblance of common sense, and player reaction on that matter was completely and utterly ignored.
We failed too - EVE community was always listened to and now when those times are gone, not much were actually realising that they are on a verge of new EVE, the one that players can either play as it is or GTFO. We were unprepared, we let this slide and got royally screwed. And will be screwed from now on - because EVE management now knows that it CAN screw its playerbase and nothing will happen.
So, welcome to the last epoch of EVE online. Gods themselves, they do not know where it will go from here.
actually, that happened when they screwed up the GTCs. |
Ultim8Evil
Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2008.10.16 07:01:00 -
[3964]
I see the player guide has been stealth/ninja-edited pretty sharpish:
http://www.eve-online.com/guide/en/g615.asp
"Skills continue training even if you are logged off, but the skill will no longer continue to train on inactive accounts (an inactive account is when youÆre no longer paying the subscription, training will still continue when youÆve logged off on an subscribed account)."
If only so many of the other bugs, issues and supposed coming soonÖ features were worked on so quickly!
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Counter Spy
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Posted - 2008.10.16 07:03:00 -
[3965]
Ghost training no, but AFK farming with Orca for chinese ISK farmer, YES said CCP. The GTC disappearing coming, this is the point.
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Ezoran DuBlaidd
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Posted - 2008.10.16 07:05:00 -
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Originally by: Keter 325 I just find it hell-arious that, what was once a "selling point" of the game that cast it unique among any other MMO is now a "bug" that is costing CCP money and should be cured like it is some sort of disease. What other selling points will be nerfed in the future CCP? Maybe we shouldn't really have 3 toons per account and therefore have to pay 3x the amount that we are paying right now to pop a cyno; that seems like a bug to me. Ut oh, I think that I just gave them an idea.
well, to have those alts on one account, don't you have to either have an alt account from which to transfer (for a fee), or have to buy an alt character to add to your account (for a few); both of which ways, the characters are created by... ghost training?
oh wait... that doesn't happen anymore. oh well, there's all that alt transfer money gone as well.
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Kheldar Silk
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Posted - 2008.10.16 07:08:00 -
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[I've already said this but: "I don't care about the nerf, I do care about CCP's ongoing dishonesty and slimy tactics. And WHERE THE **** IS THE CSM?"]
Just a thought. Rather than sitting there whinging why not do something about it? Grab a phone book, look up some important people in CCP (President, CEO, directors) and start calling, sending them intelligent emails, or even better send snail-mail. Chances are that one letter will be missed, but an important suit-wearer who has nothing to do with the game may just take it up. You never know til you try.
Personally, I'm lazy -- I'm on my way to Jita to scream obscenities in local and park my 2 biggest ships across Jita 4's exit.
(-2 accounts (yesterday)) |
JanSVK
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Posted - 2008.10.16 07:10:00 -
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Originally by: Carsidava Nope, sorry. This doesn't wash.
If you disable skill training for inactive accounts, why aren't you also disabling market orders from inactive accounts? Why aren't you also disabling RP accumulation from inactive accounts? Why aren't you disabling dividend payouts to inactive accounts?
Why are only skill points being hit?
Sorry CCP, this is an entirely unsatisfactory answer.
Now that you mentioned it they might do it . |
Counter Spy
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Posted - 2008.10.16 07:37:00 -
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Originally by: NupetietVer Don't hate CCP for practicing World of Darkness features on EVE. CCP's take on WoW will rock!
Dont worry, if the CCP cheated the MMO players the World of Darkness will go to ruin very fast. We will not playing with a game of cheater.
Consequences:
1. Eve profit to World of Darkness will go crap and World of Darkness will be fail. 2. Eve playerbase decreasing and profit too.
Bye,bye Ferraris, the live every now and then harder then Eve and live come to colder place. |
huxorator
Intergalactic Serenity Skunk-Works
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Posted - 2008.10.16 07:49:00 -
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After the introduction of the 60d GTC (which is priced considerably higher), this is the next hit on player pockets. I really need to rethink wether I need (and can effort) to have more than 1 account. |
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Nypon
Unseen University
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Posted - 2008.10.16 08:06:00 -
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at hiding this thread. |
BIind
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Posted - 2008.10.16 08:07:00 -
[3972]
Originally by: CCP Wrangler
Originally by: Seth Ruin
Originally by: Son Korhal Edited by: Son Korhal on 14/10/2008 17:52:30
Originally by: CCP Wrangler Test2
Lost for words on another epic ccp fail idea?
Edit: Ok wrangler likes to delete his own posts.
Makes me think the "test" posts are possibly Wrangler trying to fix this thread? Could be that it disappeared entirely by accident, and they're actually trying to fix it
Yes, we're trying to fix it but we'll need to have web take a look at it. It's still accessible through the other sticky though.
How are people, who are unable to fix a forum thread in 40 hours, still employed? |
Counter Spy
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Posted - 2008.10.16 08:13:00 -
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We look at it from the new players' visual angle what will be the consequence. All learning learning skill 2 months and the player does nothing quasi till then. Not amusing the game for young characters just grind and boring learning skills . With what long the skills tires of it soon and loses the game. There was one single thing like that, that back the ghost training may have lured it into the game. So will not come back. With what from among the older players who preserve the game likewise many people go away, in this manner much of CCP income fall down on long distance. Will lesser old player and the new players not come to the game. Smart choice CCP guys. |
Ezoran DuBlaidd
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Posted - 2008.10.16 08:27:00 -
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Originally by: Counter Spy
Originally by: NupetietVer Don't hate CCP for practicing World of Darkness features on EVE. CCP's take on WoW will rock!
Dont worry, if the CCP cheated the MMO players the World of Darkness will go to ruin very fast. We will not playing with a game of cheater.
Consequences:
1. Eve profit to World of Darkness will go crap and World of Darkness will be fail. 2. Eve playerbase decreasing and profit too.
Bye,bye Ferraris, the live every now and then harder then Eve and live come to colder place.
oh, that's right, this IS ccp/eve online... thought i was reading an anti-smed/soe thread...
easy mistake lately, eh? |
padraig animal
Minmatar Vanguard Frontiers Violent-Tendencies
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Posted - 2008.10.16 08:31:00 -
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Quote: Definition of Subscribers EVE Online subscribers include individuals who have paid a subscription fee or have an active electronic time code (ETC) to play EVE Online, as well as those who have purchased the game and are within their free month of access. The above definition excludes all players under free promotional subscriptions, expired or cancelled subscriptions and expired ETCs.
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Gara Al'Malik
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Posted - 2008.10.16 08:32:00 -
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Originally by: Counter Spy We look at it from the new players' visual angle what will be the consequence. All learning learning skill 2 months and the player does nothing quasi till then. Not amusing the game for young characters just grind and boring learning skills . With what long the skills tires of it soon and loses the game.
There are some valid problems with the way ccp announced the disabling of ghost training but this is crap. New players have a lot of things to do and experiment in the beginning even if they decide to mostly train learning skills (which is not the be the best idea unless you are total munchkin). Infact eve is still the only mmorpg that I know that doesn't require you to grind to advance your character. |
Charis D'Asgar
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Posted - 2008.10.16 08:50:00 -
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Edited by: Charis D''Asgar on 16/10/2008 08:57:12 Time goes on and nothing happen... It seems like CCP is pretending they know nothing about community rage... Some people will go, but some will stay and some new people come, and they will know nothing about ghost-training and CCP's dirty tricks, as I've known nothing about T20 accident... But time was choused wrong, IMO... There are many games that are coming soon. Games, which need MUCH LESS time to see considerable results of player's energies. Some people compared ghost-training to WOW. They've forgotten, that in WOW you may become 60 lvl (it may be Dread piloting in EVE) less then a month with their new "Invite a Friend", and 70 lvl in full epic (read û Titan and all skills) in 3-4 months of not hardcore playing. Time? Timeà Time!!! Yep - EVE is unique, time based game, itÆs possible to learn skills offline. But time is money - and the time is needed for considerable results haven't changed, though money paid for it grows up... CCP takes, but gives nothing. So called "actively playing" (misspelled? may be "paying"?) have no advantages comparing to players, that just switch skills. Skills are not learning faster, playing does nothing at all - just ISKs and headaches of dying in lags. And there will be no ticket in mind of retied players ôMy skills ends learning tomorrow û may be itÆs time to come back?ö
I donÆt know, what IÆll do, when my signup will endà Already -2, but it would be a hard decision to continue play EVE, so it may easily become -6à Never traded characters, played them myself, payed at least every 3 months for 60 GTC for each of accounts and did never plan to leaveà Butà It becomes more and more boringà And all that shità And no basical changesà Heheà
Life goes on... |
Gorek Loc
Etherware Heavy Engineering
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Posted - 2008.10.16 08:57:00 -
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I can't see what the difference is between disabling 'ghost-training' and having market orders up while the account is inactive? Or not halting the accumulation or Research Points from agents when inactive!
If CCP wants to make inactive accounts unusable, take a full step, not a half-hearted attempt! No training, no market orders, no contracts, no research points. It shouldn't be harder to implement than halting training.
Market orders take longer to expire than even the very longest skills to train!
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Azuraito
Caldari Capital Produce Free Trade Zone.
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Posted - 2008.10.16 08:57:00 -
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EVE fanfest anyone?
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mamolian
Madhatters Inc.
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Posted - 2008.10.16 08:58:00 -
[3980]
Not my training backbone! /\ |
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Gorek Loc
Etherware Heavy Engineering
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Posted - 2008.10.16 08:59:00 -
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Originally by: Truthbringer I normally take breaks from the game and the fact that my characters are still training is one of the major factors that brings me back. Now that this will no longer be the case, expect my next sabbatical to be permanent. This was a VERY poor marketing decision. You should expect to see your active accounts trickle off in the next few months.
This, signed. |
Counter Spy
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Posted - 2008.10.16 09:00:00 -
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Originally by: Gara Al'Malik
Originally by: Counter Spy We look at it from the new players' visual angle what will be the consequence. All learning learning skill 2 months and the player does nothing quasi till then. Not amusing the game for young characters just grind and boring learning skills . With what long the skills tires of it soon and loses the game.
There are some valid problems with the way ccp announced the disabling of ghost training but this is crap. New players have a lot of things to do and experiment in the beginning even if they decide to mostly train learning skills (which is not the be the best idea unless you are total munchkin). Infact eve is still the only mmorpg that I know that doesn't require you to grind to advance your character.
Not need grind for a starter character ? If you give for them ISK from main account. But yes the starter character need grind. They can't use better weapons and modules without money, and for their skills not enabled jus lvl1 or lvl2 agents, they can't fight in low sec, they can't fight in 0.0. It may be used as a bullet trap of course, but who want to be bullet trap ? And another thing, he can't survive alone. Or he not go to agents just go to belt for mining or looking for faction npc spawn. The mining is boring too and the NPC farming IS grind. |
Nithhogr Red
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Posted - 2008.10.16 09:05:00 -
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I am sad to say this is the last straw for me as well. I have 4 accounts, 2 still active (1 from the 1st month of the game) and 2 which I have only just let lapse while they train long skills - as originally advertised by CCP as a feature. I have got bored with various parts of the game and had decided to take a break for a while and return when I can get interested in the game again - as we all do from time to time with all MMO's - but in the meantime keeping my skills training by buying a months gaming every other month. Now, because of this action, by removing an advertised feature (and then trying some good old British political spin to try and say it was always a bug), CCP will have 0 active accounts from me instead of 2 active and 2 semi-active accounts. Not a big loss for them in the scheme of things, but as they said snowflakes add up and eventaully become an avalanche. It's a shame that CCP have gone from one of the best player support companies to what they have now become, a sign of the times I guess and a growing company. Anyway it's been a pleasure, see you on the darkside.
p.s No you can't have my stuff, it's just going to rot there. and no I won't be going to CCP's new game (because of this new attitude from CCP) |
Hastrabull
Caldari Beach Boys BeachBoys
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Posted - 2008.10.16 09:14:00 -
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Edited by: Hastrabull on 16/10/2008 09:16:00 Funny thing really.
i all hang dogs on CCP, because CCP gave you functionality that most of you abused (for example guy at the top of this page).
Now when CCP is getting rid of you, you all fall into complete emo rage against CCP.
You know how would I call it? Its pathetic, its Hypocrisy! |
Phil MaCracken
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Posted - 2008.10.16 09:17:00 -
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Can we get our money back for the times we didn't log in and did pay?!?! |
Gara Al'Malik
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Posted - 2008.10.16 09:17:00 -
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Originally by: Counter Spy
Not need grind for a starter character ? If you give for them ISK from main account. But yes the starter character need grind.
No. You can trade to get isk and the skills advance without xp grind. You can also join some player corp and get the basic equipment from the corporation since frigates, destroyers and t1 cruisers with t1 basic modules don't really cost anything to older players. Also I wouldn't consider the first missions you do grinding. It becomes grinding only after you do it a lot.
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They can't use better weapons and modules without money, and for their skills not enabled jus lvl1 or lvl2 agents, they can't fight in low sec, they can't fight in 0.0. It may be used as a bullet trap of course, but who want to be bullet trap ? And another thing, he can't survive alone.
So what if they can only do level ones and twos? The low level missions are as fun ( or dull, depending on your point of view to missioning) as the higher level missions. You can also act as a salvager to older players running missions. Also starting characters can be useful in pvp. Not as dps but as tacklers and ewar. |
Rramar Claime
Amarr Task Force Zener Atlas Alliance
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Posted - 2008.10.16 09:22:00 -
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Oh well what an (un)fortunate coincidence AGAIN, that this thread engaged its t2 covops cloak and became invisible. Well well i guess this was an unintended feature. Not? It is so cool that these strange things happen around ccp. missterrrrioussss.
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Casandra Snow
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Posted - 2008.10.16 09:27:00 -
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No Payment - no skill training. Well, thats how it should work. |
Charis D'Asgar
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Posted - 2008.10.16 09:31:00 -
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Edited by: Charis D''Asgar on 16/10/2008 09:31:48 If we talk about full unusability of unpayed accounts - it should be no RP, no contracts, no orders, no jobs and no skills. THAT IS how it should work. Nowdays it's just a money grab. |
Regal's Assassin
Amarr Industrial Legion of EVE
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Posted - 2008.10.16 09:32:00 -
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This is a stupid move CCP. I will be cutting back to one account from now on directly because of this.
The reason? I recently had to take some time off eve to do an exam for work. I took a month off and set some long skills (40 days) to complete. Because of the old policy, when I came back eve was 'new' to me again and I have had great fun playing it. Now, if I CHOOSE to not reactivate my subscription because RL takes over/i'm bored with the game and need a break, when I come back the game will be exactly the same and therefore I am VERY unlikely to spend ú20 a month of it.
It's a sad day, thats all I can say. |
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