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IR Scoutar
Caldari State War Academy
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Posted - 2008.10.16 20:55:00 -
[4171]
still no appology for the lies eh ? (that includes torfis reply there btw) |
Gorek Loc
Etherware Heavy Engineering
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Posted - 2008.10.16 20:58:00 -
[4172]
Edited by: Gorek Loc on 16/10/2008 20:59:17 I stand corrected, there was a reply on page 93. I can't believe I missed that!
Originally by: CCP t0rfifrans The bug that became a feature
On Monday, we released news that we are disabling äGhost Trainingô, the ability to train characters on inactive accounts. This resulted in strong reactions from the community as many people were routinely making use of it. We explained the matter in more detail and pointed out that this had been a bug in the original game code. Those of us who were involved in the process of making the decision and communicating it to the community did not realize this bug had been so accepted as a feature that it was listed as such in our own documentation on our own website.
How can we not know whatæs in our own documentation? Well, to be frank, it was a case of insufficient communication on our part between various teams û a regrettable mistake and hard lesson to learn at the expense of the trust youæve placed in us. Thereæs no way to spin it and we wonæt add insult to injury by trying to do so. It was a mistake on our part and for that we sincerely and humbly apologize.
Many would hope that in light of this we will decide not to cancel ghost training and keep it active as an option but weære cannot to do that. EVE is already one-of-a-kind in allowing players to progress their characters through offline skill training. We stand by our policy that if you want your character to progress in EVE, you should pay the subscription fee. The fact that so many people have been able to do so for several years was our own oversight. We know this change, and our misstep in telling you about it, has created some discontent and we hope that over time we can prove our committment to make EVE better than ever for you will be evident as you enjoy the fruits of our labor.
Torfi
Thanks for clearing that...
I hope you will reconsider after the board takes a closer look at the economics-review of the year.
To me, and many others, this feature has been a hook to returning to Eve after time away. I have been away from Eve in periods of 1 year, 4+months, 2+months. But when I came back, I was happy to continue playing as I now could do more stuff than before the game madde me bored. Sometimes a new lvl 5 skill, like Cruise Missile V or Advanced Spaceship Commmand V, or other skills that unlock ships.
From me, two accounts are down already I am not sure how long I will continue this account, maybe a month more, maybe I won't renew it.
Finally, this could also be a calling to try out some new games. I heard Spore should be a great game! Or another space simulator? Gotta keep looking |
Th0rG0d
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Posted - 2008.10.16 21:00:00 -
[4173]
God bless MONEY, and all those caught in its grasp. For those of us trying to escape REALITY by playing these games, it just goes to show, YOU CAN'T ESCAPE!!!
God bless you CCP, and may He lead you back down the Path, of loving your customers, loving your job, and just being good, all around honest chaps........... |
Rethie
Caldari
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Posted - 2008.10.16 21:06:00 -
[4174]
-4 more
talking to friends that are on a break, not coming back.
CCP would do better tracking all the unsubbed noob accounts and emailing them with a notification that the accounts will terminate in 30 day ticker, somewhat like the can timer. Putting in the trial account notes that they remain active for 30 days grace period after trial has expired. This would free db space and stats.
Oh yeah CCP aren't even watching this thread, so no point ranting.
WHen we are all gone, they can put up with the whining noobs more, because the older players aren't around to help.
Oh they won't be whining though, they will be too busy in virtual bars drooling over **** and manhoods and trying to figure out a way to simulate copulation, welcome to Second life. |
Tara Yang
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Posted - 2008.10.16 21:09:00 -
[4175]
Originally by: CCP t0rfifrans The bug that became a feature
On Monday, we released news that we are disabling äGhost Trainingô, the ability to train characters on inactive accounts. This resulted in strong reactions from the community as many people were routinely making use of it. We explained the matter in more detail and pointed out that this had been a bug in the original game code. Those of us who were involved in the process of making the decision and communicating it to the community did not realize this bug had been so accepted as a feature that it was listed as such in our own documentation on our own website.
How can we not know whatæs in our own documentation? Well, to be frank, it was a case of insufficient communication on our part between various teams û a regrettable mistake and hard lesson to learn at the expense of the trust youæve placed in us. Thereæs no way to spin it and we wonæt add insult to injury by trying to do so. It was a mistake on our part and for that we sincerely and humbly apologize.
Many would hope that in light of this we will decide not to cancel ghost training and keep it active as an option but weære cannot to do that. EVE is already one-of-a-kind in allowing players to progress their characters through offline skill training. We stand by our policy that if you want your character to progress in EVE, you should pay the subscription fee. The fact that so many people have been able to do so for several years was our own oversight. We know this change, and our misstep in telling you about it, has created some discontent and we hope that over time we can prove our committment to make EVE better than ever for you will be evident as you enjoy the fruits of our labor.
Torfi
maybe a good Idea to put this in the dev blog somewhere and on the first page of this thread.
Marked out a small piece of text I really laughed about. Like deleting player posts, the thread that mysteriusly dissapeared from the first page, the account details page conviently failing and more importantly a bug that's in a game for 5 freaking years while a fix was already available for it is not adding insult to injury. |
nareph
Soleil noir Industry
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Posted - 2008.10.16 21:11:00 -
[4176]
everything smart has been already said in the previous 130 (and a few) pages. this one is just to add some noise.
worst mistake ever, CCP... |
Arakn1s
Amarr Aurora Cartel AAA Citizens
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Posted - 2008.10.16 21:14:00 -
[4177]
I love this game too much to just leave it. On the other hand i hate you so much for treating us more like customers and less like friends/game-mates/etc etc as you used to, till recently. We could brag that EvE is the only game with a player base that can be heard and change things. I remember during early 2006 how you used to advertise the escrow system and how it was implemented after player request and design.
Damn you for changing. I may not be leaving for good but my revenge will be -5 accounts till the end of the year. I ll just keep 2 running. |
MyOwnSling
Gallente RONA Corporation RONA Alliance
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Posted - 2008.10.16 21:15:00 -
[4178]
People still talking about this? My attention span is too short. |
Cougem
Shadow Company
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Posted - 2008.10.16 21:16:00 -
[4179]
Originally by: shoot me Ghost training has always been a winning feature of Eve that encourages people to re-subscribe to the game. When ever I get bored of the game, usually due to lack of any new content I set one of the ridiculously long skills which enables me to fly new ships if I return. Curiosity always gets the better of me and I always return. Now, if I knew that I would still have the same skills as when I un-subscribed I would take much longer breaks or perhaps not even return.
THIS!! This is such an incredibly good point. |
Jinx Barker
GFB Scientific
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Posted - 2008.10.16 21:23:00 -
[4180]
CCP's NEW, OFFICIAL, THEME SONG! - Youtube... (not a Rick Roll, or whatever) |
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Sciencegeek deathdealer
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Posted - 2008.10.16 21:23:00 -
[4181]
GOOD JOB CCP FOR LISTENING TO YOUR CUSTOMERS!!!!! add a skill que atleast pls! Or allow all 3 characters to train skills. many mmog do that. atleast from what i heard. |
Torah Hyman
Gallente CyberDyne Industries Carpe Universitas
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Posted - 2008.10.16 21:23:00 -
[4182]
Originally by: Cougem
Originally by: shoot me Ghost training has always been a winning feature of Eve that encourages people to re-subscribe to the game. When ever I get bored of the game, usually due to lack of any new content I set one of the ridiculously long skills which enables me to fly new ships if I return. Curiosity always gets the better of me and I always return. Now, if I knew that I would still have the same skills as when I un-subscribed I would take much longer breaks or perhaps not even return.
THIS!! This is such an incredibly good point.
Signed
/me waves a boot.ini card ,lest we not forget that one |
Rethie
Caldari
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Posted - 2008.10.16 21:24:00 -
[4183]
-1 more |
Una D
Ex Coelis The Bantam Menace
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Posted - 2008.10.16 21:38:00 -
[4184]
Ah I see that short term thinking still works real well at CCP. Props for trying to blame your customers too. That is known to provide good results.
I just hope that genious people behind his decision get fired once the economic inpact becomes obvious. Also isn't it strange how suddenly there is some new blogs (economic letter that hasn't been seen in quite a while for example). |
Guillame Herschel
Gallente Buffalo Soldiers
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Posted - 2008.10.16 21:42:00 -
[4185]
Edited by: Guillame Herschel on 16/10/2008 21:42:45
Originally by: Vietone When was it ever encouraged?
Did CCP ever say "Hey, while your training that 34 day skill, you can leave your account inactive and not play or pay us. Have Fun when you come back!!!.
Yes, they did. But since the announcement, they edited the User Guide to remove that advice. First edit for the User Guide in five ****ing years!
Quote:
No they never advertised this remotely in anyway or encouraged it.
You are wrong. Go sit in the corner.
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Slade Trillgon
Masuat'aa Matari Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2008.10.16 21:44:00 -
[4186]
I can say that I have not taken advantage of ghost training. I have only been here a year, so nothing in that time has kept me from keeping my payment going. But the idea of being able to finish off one skill if that so happened was a great comfort considering I still have about only one set/type of ships mastered at thist point
But it was something that I had not gotten used to so it will be much less painfull a transition for me
Maybe this will help newer players become more utilized by the older pilots in certain organizations. I don't know; maybe? But I can definately see some other angles then just purely raw cash.
Slade
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NereSky
Gallente Trinity Nova Trinity Nova Alliance
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Posted - 2008.10.16 21:53:00 -
[4187]
Originally by: NereSky
Originally by: NereSky
Originally by: Delos Korelian
Originally by: Jinx Barker
... ever since the "old" guard of the developers left active EVE online roles CCP customer service, CCP customer attunes, and general CCP attitude toward its player base has gone to shit.
Aint that the truth
Qft
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Guillame Herschel
Gallente Buffalo Soldiers
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Posted - 2008.10.16 21:54:00 -
[4188]
Originally by: Ramund Dont do Battleship V or Titan V if you dont want to, noone is forcing you.
*Ring*
*Ring*
*Ring*
Clue phone, it's for you. Battleship V is a pre-req for capitals and T2 battleships. You are forced to train that skill if you want to fly capitals or T2 battleships, even if you never actually fly a T1 battleship.
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supr3m3justic3
Caldari Hakata Group
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Posted - 2008.10.16 22:07:00 -
[4189]
Originally by: CCP t0rfifrans The bug that became a feature
On Monday, we released news that we are disabling äGhost Trainingô, the ability to train characters on inactive accounts. This resulted in strong reactions from the community as many people were routinely making use of it. We explained the matter in more detail and pointed out that this had been a bug in the original game code. Those of us who were involved in the process of making the decision and communicating it to the community did not realize this bug had been so accepted as a feature that it was listed as such in our own documentation on our own website.
How can we not know whatæs in our own documentation? Well, to be frank, it was a case of insufficient communication on our part between various teams û a regrettable mistake and hard lesson to learn at the expense of the trust youæve placed in us. Thereæs no way to spin it and we wonæt add insult to injury by trying to do so. It was a mistake on our part and for that we sincerely and humbly apologize.
Many would hope that in light of this we will decide not to cancel ghost training and keep it active as an option but weære cannot to do that. EVE is already one-of-a-kind in allowing players to progress their characters through offline skill training. We stand by our policy that if you want your character to progress in EVE, you should pay the subscription fee. The fact that so many people have been able to do so for several years was our own oversight. We know this change, and our misstep in telling you about it, has created some discontent and we hope that over time we can prove our committment to make EVE better than ever for you will be evident as you enjoy the fruits of our labor.
Torfi
LIES |
Moto42
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Posted - 2008.10.16 22:17:00 -
[4190]
Originally by: Carsidava Nope, sorry. This doesn't wash.
If you disable skill training for inactive accounts, why aren't you also disabling market orders from inactive accounts? Why aren't you also disabling RP accumulation from inactive accounts? Why aren't you disabling dividend payouts to inactive accounts?
Why are only skill points being hit? Sorry CCP, this is an entirely unsatisfactory answer.
I totaly plan to take advantage of this fact now that I think about it.
Im gonna just farm RP and stuff for like 2 years on my inactive accounts, its even BETTER now that I dont ghost train on them because NOW I dont have to renew them even for a month to get a new skill.
This is so awesome. Thank you CCP!
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supr3m3justic3
Caldari Hakata Group
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Posted - 2008.10.16 22:19:00 -
[4191]
Originally by: Guillame Herschel Edited by: Guillame Herschel on 16/10/2008 21:42:45
Originally by: Vietone When was it ever encouraged?
Did CCP ever say "Hey, while your training that 34 day skill, you can leave your account inactive and not play or pay us. Have Fun when you come back!!!.
Yes, they did. But since the announcement, they edited the User Guide to remove that advice. First edit for the User Guide in five ****ing years!
Quote:
No they never advertised this remotely in anyway or encouraged it.
You are wrong. Go sit in the corner.
User guide, pre-edit |
Tae'Lin Hynd
Simply Planned
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Posted - 2008.10.16 22:27:00 -
[4192]
Originally by: supr3m3justic3
Originally by: Guillame Herschel Edited by: Guillame Herschel on 16/10/2008 21:42:45
Originally by: Vietone When was it ever encouraged?
Did CCP ever say "Hey, while your training that 34 day skill, you can leave your account inactive and not play or pay us. Have Fun when you come back!!!.
Yes, they did. But since the announcement, they edited the User Guide to remove that advice. First edit for the User Guide in five ****ing years!
Quote:
No they never advertised this remotely in anyway or encouraged it.
You are wrong. Go sit in the corner.
User guide, pre-edit
Kind of funny how it only changed when they needed, kinda like the item DB. |
Chomin H'ak
The Trivenerate
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Posted - 2008.10.16 22:28:00 -
[4193]
Originally by: Moto42
Originally by: Carsidava Nope, sorry. This doesn't wash.
If you disable skill training for inactive accounts, why aren't you also disabling market orders from inactive accounts? Why aren't you also disabling RP accumulation from inactive accounts? Why aren't you disabling dividend payouts to inactive accounts?
Why are only skill points being hit? Sorry CCP, this is an entirely unsatisfactory answer.
I totaly plan to take advantage of this fact now that I think about it.
Im gonna just farm RP and stuff for like 2 years on my inactive accounts, its even BETTER now that I dont ghost train on them because NOW I dont have to renew them even for a month to get a new skill.
This is so awesome. Thank you CCP!
THIS ^^ Now I can take 90 day breaks cause my buy/sell orders will last that long. What a savings |
Asith
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Posted - 2008.10.16 22:47:00 -
[4194]
Originally by: Torah Hyman
Originally by: Cougem
Originally by: shoot me Ghost training has always been a winning feature of Eve that encourages people to re-subscribe to the game. When ever I get bored of the game, usually due to lack of any new content I set one of the ridiculously long skills which enables me to fly new ships if I return. Curiosity always gets the better of me and I always return. Now, if I knew that I would still have the same skills as when I un-subscribed I would take much longer breaks or perhaps not even return.
THIS!! This is such an incredibly good point.
Signed
/me waves a boot.ini card ,lest we not forget that one
signed |
Cosy Ceaon
Gallente Aliastra
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Posted - 2008.10.16 23:07:00 -
[4195]
WTF CCP u post allot of blogs to covert this thing |
Tai Davion
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Posted - 2008.10.16 23:08:00 -
[4196]
To all those who will quit over this. Farewell, take care, may good fortune smile on you and please remove yourself from the servers and do your part to clear up the lag.
Thank you and have a great day. |
10of10
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Posted - 2008.10.16 23:12:00 -
[4197]
Originally by: Tai Davion To all those who will quit over this. Farewell, take care, may good fortune smile on you and please remove yourself from the servers and do your part to clear up the lag.
Thank you and have a great day.
CCP alt spotted ^^^^ |
Kheldon Fel
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Posted - 2008.10.16 23:14:00 -
[4198]
Originally by: Tai Davion To all those who will quit over this. Farewell, take care, may good fortune smile on you and please remove yourself from the servers and do your part to clear up the lag.
Thank you and have a great day.
I actually created characters in every slot of all my accounts. Enjoy the added database load (which is apparently some kind of inexplicably huge detriment since CCP DBAs seem to be laughably inept). |
Corwain
Gallente DIE WITH HONOUR
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Posted - 2008.10.16 23:26:00 -
[4199]
As this hundreds page thread is clearly demonstrated CCP doesn't care about complaints on the forums, so I thought I'd grow the thread and at the same time discuss what the best way to get a message to them (aside from permanantly cancelling the accounts that I've been letting lapse now and then to train month long skills.)
Email? Snail mail? Create a complaint petition? What do you guys think is the most effective way to complain in addition to cancelling accounts? |
supr3m3justic3
Caldari Hakata Group
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Posted - 2008.10.16 23:30:00 -
[4200]
Originally by: Corwain As this hundreds page thread is clearly demonstrated CCP doesn't care about complaints on the forums, so I thought I'd grow the thread and at the same time discuss what the best way to get a message to them (aside from permanantly cancelling the accounts that I've been letting lapse now and then to train month long skills.)
Email? Snail mail? Create a complaint petition? What do you guys think is the most effective way to complain in addition to cancelling accounts?
Put a note on a pigeon's leg and let it deliver the message! |
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