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10of10
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Posted - 2008.10.16 23:30:00 -
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Edited by: 10of10 on 16/10/2008 23:30:43 They are reading this and it hasn't made a difference. They have even tried to hide it away, so I don't think they will listen to written complaints. |
Kara Rhane
Gallente Rhane's Research and Development Labs.
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Posted - 2008.10.16 23:32:00 -
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Still waiting on a response to the 139 pages of players saying "wow this is a really bad idea, can we get points a, b, c and d confirmed and explained."
I run a number of accounts and have never ghost trained, I do however believe it would be a good thing to answer some of your clients questions since it's obviously not making the majority of EVE happy.
Respectfully,
-Kara
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NereSky
Gallente Trinity Nova Trinity Nova Alliance
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Posted - 2008.10.16 23:33:00 -
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Originally by: Corwain As this hundreds page thread is clearly demonstrated CCP doesn't care about complaints on the forums, so I thought I'd grow the thread and at the same time discuss what the best way to get a message to them (aside from permanantly cancelling the accounts that I've been letting lapse now and then to train month long skills.)
Email? Snail mail? Create a complaint petition? What do you guys think is the most effective way to complain in addition to cancelling accounts?
There is no effective way to complain unfortunately, i recently complained about a GM and all you get told is that they will forward the complaint to the 'leads' however you wont be told a)its received by the leads b) no confirmation that its actually looked at (although i was assured it will be) c) No feedback (i wasnt expecting to here whether any punitive measures would be done) but i would have expected to hear whether the complaint was 'upheld' or 'overturned' but i wont even get that,
So in short put a complaint in (in the form of a petition) but thats all u can do as u wont here anything else.
I believe that complaints received will never see the light of day and get buried under a Rug. |
Anig Browl
Caldari
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Posted - 2008.10.16 23:57:00 -
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I guess this is the longest whine thread ever.
I stopped playing for a while due to financial problems and when I came back I didn't even notice I had benefited from any ghost training - I was probably training some level 3 skill when I stopped.
Sorry if this disrupts other people's plans, but basically you were farming, no? I was pretty upset yesterday because I was calculating my new ISK total and then I lost a ship and had to accept I wasn't going to make my target after all. Oh well.
Yeah, it should have been addressed a long time ago, it was uncool to let people get used to it for so long. Oh well...but those of you who knew about and made use of this feature managed to build up some great characters on the cheap, while those of us who just play a single character game saw no benefit.
I'd say the ghost trainers got the good part of the deal while it was going, and I know that some of you will make ISK or some real money by selling those characters. Congratulations, you got a benefit already. |
Nannu Who
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Posted - 2008.10.16 23:58:00 -
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Originally by: 10of10 Edited by: 10of10 on 16/10/2008 23:30:43 They are reading this and it hasn't made a difference. They have even tried to hide it away, so I don't think they will listen to written complaints.
You say that, but CCP can't ignore two thousand letters at their office front door. |
Seriya
Caldari The Priory
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Posted - 2008.10.16 23:58:00 -
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Utterly disgusted at how this thread has been buried, hidden on Eve General and buried under a sudden unprecidented surge of crappy dev blogs. Regardless of whether this is deliberate or not, it makes CCP look like villians. |
Asith
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Posted - 2008.10.17 00:00:00 -
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Originally by: Anig Browl I guess this is the longest whine thread ever.
I stopped playing for a while due to financial problems and when I came back I didn't even notice I had benefited from any ghost training - I was probably training some level 3 skill when I stopped.
Sorry if this disrupts other people's plans, but basically you were farming, no? I was pretty upset yesterday because I was calculating my new ISK total and then I lost a ship and had to accept I wasn't going to make my target after all. Oh well.
Yeah, it should have been addressed a long time ago, it was uncool to let people get used to it for so long. Oh well...but those of you who knew about and made use of this feature managed to build up some great characters on the cheap, while those of us who just play a single character game saw no benefit.
I'd say the ghost trainers got the good part of the deal while it was going, and I know that some of you will make ISK or some real money by selling those characters. Congratulations, you got a benefit already.
heys its part of the game - its a good feature basically when you get bored of EVE (very often these days cos DEV ARE TOO BUSY MAKING Stuff THAT NOBODY REALLY CARES ABOUT) you can take a break train somethiong like cruiser 5 come back 20 days later fly a new ship and be happy
Now people will just quit |
Anig Browl
Caldari
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Posted - 2008.10.17 00:10:00 -
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On a separate note, two short points:
1. CCP: Your motives don't bother me, but your execution does. Think how much drama you could have saved if the announcement had begun 'From next month, ...'. You know, if you're going to make a big change (even one I agree with!), give people a chance to respond - a one-time offer to swap a ghost-trained character with an alt or something. Retroactively classifying an advertised feature as a bug was stupid, because you insulted customers.
2. Departing players: I, too, need your stuff. Because it's been quite difficult competing with some of you on a single account. So if you want to throw a tantrum, what better way than by distorting the economy and contracting some of your stuff to a carebear? Seriously. Just...do it. I'll even mention you in my bio, with a line like 'We shall not see his like again'. |
Asith
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Posted - 2008.10.17 00:15:00 -
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oh btw CCP if you think im going to reactivate my charcter just to carry on training think again, im going to wait till the day it would have ended then re sub him- ive already had 3 friends quit eve (last night) because of the way your treating us - I hope alot others are doing the same so this whole stunt backfires on you
Have a nice day! |
OmgzHappy
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Posted - 2008.10.17 00:28:00 -
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Edited by: OmgzHappy on 17/10/2008 00:30:51 The reason I am not moving any accounts to power of 2 or doing anything other than the occasional timecard is. I dont know if eve will be around after the nano nerf.
The alterations to the webbifiers/ points on mwd is pathetic..(remember 5 fighter carrier nerf idea)
the cancelation of ghost training seems to be an attempt at pushing people into a 6 or 12 month subscription that some what binds people, altho you can cancel..
But when it comes to canceling your acc, its less likely you'll cancel your sub where as someone will just be too lazy to put another timecard on.
A screen shot of the CCP website has already been posted..
Depicting in the first half of the picture, CCP saying why they have had ghost training implemented in the first place..
The bottom half of the picture that they are now removing it.
That is just plained two faced.
The fact that a dev had come by and posted stating it was a pvp advantage is blantly lieing.
just how many battleships can I pvp with at once? sure I have triple widescreens and I synergy my mouse/keyboard across the network to another monitor the the right of those 3..
but thats just irc/ventrilo etc etc..
Anyways. CCP will be gaining subs and loosing subs. Its a stand off they should have never initiated.
Take me for example, im moving 3 acc into one acc, then never paying for the other 2 acc in any way ever again. sure they gained one steady sub, but at the loss of 2 other acc time carding up.
I'll cancel that sub if my officer web is halfed in range, like it is on the test server. Or changed at all for that matter.
No, you cant have my stuff. |
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Valaba
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Posted - 2008.10.17 00:28:00 -
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Edited by: Valaba on 17/10/2008 00:28:29
CCP your reasoning is players benefiting without active subscriptions.
Then that means all buy orders and sell orders on the market and also many other things need to be cancelled as well. Those players are benefiting while not having an active subscription !!!!! If you were truthful to your words, then you would include everything. But really this shows its only about greed.
You can't wait 5 years and just now decide to change it. This is the kind of crap which ****es people off and some to the point of cancelling accounts all together.
It was decisions like these that led me to leave SWG.
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Valaba
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Posted - 2008.10.17 00:35:00 -
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I just logged into Eve and found myself having no motivation to play.
Talk about a game ruiner.
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ChaoticDemon
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Posted - 2008.10.17 00:37:00 -
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I have used this feature on my alt to train a command ship pilot still don't have a command ship but can now fly one and saved about $45 on 3 month long skills also when I knew wouldn't have enough money on my credit card and didn't have isk to buy a gtc set a long skill that would end around time I got paid so I could reactivate then and not lose any training time I can understand not allowing it but should be given a grace period and or offer something as incentive to keep account active ie ability to train multiple chars and/or skill que |
HuntedMaster
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Posted - 2008.10.17 00:50:00 -
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Originally by: Valaba
I just logged into Eve and found myself having no motivation to play.
Talk about a game ruiner.
yea same...though i do have all that extended grindind just to get tech 2 cruise ..or a hac.....or anything midly interesting to look forward to.
hurray for not being able to advance my troll by playing.....
Hurray.
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Gabriel Virtus
Cassandra's Light Caeruleum Alliance
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Posted - 2008.10.17 00:52:00 -
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Edited by: Gabriel Virtus on 17/10/2008 01:08:56 Going on 3 days that a technology company cannot manage to fix a "forum problem". Gee can you say hidden?
Can you say censorship?
This company is a complete joke. They actually must think we are all idiots.
The nature of the way ppl gain skills in EVE, with it taking literally a year to train a cap pilot, makes this FEATURE of the game essential. If I am not playing for months waiting to experience something new, fly a new ship/use new drones etc., ghost train so I am not CONSTANTLY paying for an account that is useless. Unlike any other MMOm EVE takes a very long time to train skills to get into other parts of the game. You can train 1 character per an account, and cannot change the speed you train (after learning skills of course) no matter how much you actively play. This feature of the game was essential to player enjoyment and encouraged players to have many alts (which do subscribe at the very least 6 months out of the year to change skills).
This sort of move just exemplifies CCP's utter disregard for its customers. The "service" I am getting, referred to in the joke of a dev blog, is crappy at best. That is before I have any actual troubles in the game ( like no insurance payouts or ships disappearing from stations ). They dont even buffer the decision with LONG AWAITED changes to the way skills a done. At least give ppl a skill que. -2 accounts
-GV |
Lutorian
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Posted - 2008.10.17 00:56:00 -
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CCP. Prove to us its not greed. If you take this away, then give us something back in return.
Allow us to train our 3 characters at once since it has always been blatently obvious that our 2 other character slots are almost completely useless.
I know other players who read my proposal will probably die laughing since the odds of this change happening are virtually zero. What that really shows is that it really is all about the money for you all. Not players happiness.
This will backfire on you in the future. Some accounts will be hurt now, but future potential revenue is really where you are going to be hit hard. You might even gain profit in the short term, but it will not last.
Star Trek Online is starting to look at a little better all of a sudden.
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Amarria Drezine
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Posted - 2008.10.17 00:57:00 -
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Originally by: Gabriel Virtus Edited by: Gabriel Virtus on 17/10/2008 00:56:02 Going on 3 days that a technology company cannot manage to fix a "forum problem". Gee can you say hidden?
Can you say censorship?
signed |
MaximusDamage
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Posted - 2008.10.17 01:13:00 -
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You just lost my trust which you had built up over 2 years of great updates and features, I know that wont go for much around your offices but maybe the minus 1 of my 2 accounts on your spreadsheets will.
Trying to hide this thread from the rest of the forum under the disguise of a technical problem. Although that wouldn't supprise me if it was the truth as after 5 years you still have not become competent in the art of patching the servers.
Poor show CCP. |
Christine Cormorante
Gallente Warped Mining
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Posted - 2008.10.17 01:22:00 -
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Originally by: Lutorian
CCP. Prove to us its not greed. If you take this away, then give us something back in return.
Allow us to train our 3 characters at once since it has always been blatently obvious that our 2 other character slots are almost completely useless.
I know other players who read my proposal will probably die laughing since the odds of this change happening are virtually zero. What that really shows is that it really is all about the money for you all. Not players happiness.
This will backfire on you in the future. Some accounts will be hurt now, but future potential revenue is really where you are going to be hit hard. You might even gain profit in the short term, but it will not last.
Star Trek Online is starting to look at a little better all of a sudden.
You know, you bring to mind a very valid concern. I can't help but wonder what the surge in trial accounts for scout alts is going to be like in the coming months. I'm consolidating my accounts from 3 down to one. I regularly used one of the off-characters on my alt accounts to scout for one of my three mains on thier individual accounts. I won't have that luxury now as they're all on the same account taking up every slot.
I can't help but wonder how many scoutalt8473's and such we'll be seeing in the coming months. If ghost training accounts are such a burden on the database, its really going to be under a lot of pressure as those who close alt accounts and do happen to stick around, start creating trial scouts to do the same job thier paid alts used to do. LOL..... /me waits for the ability to create trials accounts to be removed. |
Staberind
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Posted - 2008.10.17 01:33:00 -
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Well, back again to see if there is any "official" response, as opposed to some alt mouthpeice, there is some real stretching and comedy here... like comparison to other online games yeah, thats smart, when i go into eve and find rifters riding 3pic m0unt0rz & wearing lv 18 leather belts, i may agree that some comparison is viable, till then, meh... guess i'll be back tomorrow... |
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Ein Spiegel
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Posted - 2008.10.17 01:54:00 -
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Conspiracy?
Hidden threads?
Subterfuge?
A shadowy group wielding unimaginable power over enthralled masses?
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This is just CCP alpha testing the new World of Darkness MMO. It seems they decided to focus on the Vampire characters first...
Seriously, though, I'm sure there's a Logical Explanation. Somewhere.
Without having to use Dominate 5 to make it work.
((If you understood any of that, for gods' sake, get out of the Camarilla now.)) |
Erimisha
Minmatar
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Posted - 2008.10.17 02:04:00 -
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Originally by: Seriya Utterly disgusted at how this thread has been buried, hidden on Eve General and buried under a sudden unprecidented surge of crappy dev blogs. Regardless of whether this is deliberate or not, it makes CCP look like villians.
But we'll get to walk in stations soon!
OMG, I hope they hire different DBA's.. i can only imagine how they'll find a way for 3d avatars to hork up the database if INACTIVE accounts can harm it.. |
Thorliaron
Brutor tribe
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Posted - 2008.10.17 02:04:00 -
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what a load of *****es in this thread. honestly.
you cant afford to have 2 accounts going at the same time but want to train both? tough shit yo. |
Kheldon Fel
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Posted - 2008.10.17 02:20:00 -
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Originally by: Thorliaron what a load of *****es in this thread. honestly.
you cant afford to have 2 accounts going at the same time but want to train both? tough shit yo.
Look at how dumb you are. |
Thorliaron
Brutor tribe
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Posted - 2008.10.17 02:24:00 -
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Edited by: Thorliaron on 17/10/2008 02:25:09
Originally by: Kheldon Fel
Originally by: Thorliaron what a load of *****es in this thread. honestly.
you cant afford to have 2 accounts going at the same time but want to train both? tough shit yo.
Look at how dumb you are.
whhaaaaaaaaambulance. quit the game already please. |
10of10
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Posted - 2008.10.17 02:31:00 -
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Originally by: Thorliaron Edited by: Thorliaron on 17/10/2008 02:25:09
Originally by: Kheldon Fel
Originally by: Thorliaron what a load of *****es in this thread. honestly.
you cant afford to have 2 accounts going at the same time but want to train both? tough shit yo.
Look at how dumb you are.
whhaaaaaaaaambulance. quit the game already please.
What? a mooron spotted..... not another one |
Lord Monarch
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.10.17 02:34:00 -
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I have 3 unsubscribed accounts now :)
You see, i am very busy with life and had no time to play eve. And with the recent global financial crisis the AUD dropped to 65 US cents. That means that i would be paying around 75 dollars a month to play the game!
With the previous changes to timecards i can no longer afford to buy them with isk. They used to be 130-140mil for a 30 day card, and i had finally gotten some good things going to make isk, but alas because o f your stupid decision to screw with the time card system that was around for 5 years you ruined that avenue for me. Why though? You would still have received the same amount of real money. It was this kind of afford ability that enabled people to run multiple accounts simultaneously. YOU STILL RECEIVED THAT SAME AMOUNT OF REAL MONEY REGARDLESS!!!!!
Now i had my accounts subscribed on my credit card continuously for quite a long time. I rarely ghost trained but i thought it was a great "FEATURE" of this game. It makes absolute sense with the time passive manner of character advancement in this game. I had intended to resubscribe my three accounts and train them for a month, and then set a long skill like carrier V. I had planned to come back in December/January with some new abilities ready to go. With out this incentive i do not feel any 'compulsion' to come back.
I used the word compulsion because this game is structured to be time addictive.
There is a saying with interest rates that 'this was one interest rate hike too far' well this was one manipulative price gouge too far!
The combination of the current global financial situation, the very recent awful awful changes to the time card system, and finally this dishonest, dismissive, announcements of the 'bug' of ghost training have combined to force me to stop playing eve permanently. I sympathise with the situation in Iceland right now, it looks truly awful. But these recent decisions will not gain you any new customers. They will lose you many loyal and addicted veterans. These are the people who encouraged others to play the game with them.
It has not been your advertising that has gained new customers, it has been the good word of your long time players (i was one of them!). |
JorEl Tarasque
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Posted - 2008.10.17 02:35:00 -
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Edited by: JorEl Tarasque on 17/10/2008 02:35:45 For 140 and counting pages everyone is right. This thread is a little hard to find.
(Funny, I came into the thread from another link and it showed 151 pages then. |
Thorliaron
Brutor tribe
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Posted - 2008.10.17 02:36:00 -
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Please don't troll.Applebabe |
Erimisha
Minmatar
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Posted - 2008.10.17 02:44:00 -
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Originally by: Kheldon Fel
Originally by: Thorliaron what a load of *****es in this thread. honestly.
you cant afford to have 2 accounts going at the same time but want to train both? tough shit yo.
Look at how dumb you are.
LOL qft.
Do you even know what is being discussed in this thread Thorl? |
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